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Qin Shi Huangdi
01-15-2012, 09:49 PM
What term do you use to refer to Jewish places of worship?
Toucanna
01-15-2012, 10:15 PM
I say "temple" when speaking with Jews and "synagogue" when speaking to non-Jews.
IvoryTowerDenizen
01-15-2012, 10:24 PM
Synagogue, generally unless Temple is part of its name (such as Temple Beth El, where I grew up).
Der Trihs
01-15-2012, 10:28 PM
Synagogue. When I hear "Temple", I think "Aztec" or "Hrogg-Ultha the Spider God".
PandaBear77
01-15-2012, 10:47 PM
Where I'm from it's temple if it's reform, synagogue if it's orthodox. Everywhere I've lived has only had reform congregations, so temple.
Alessan
01-15-2012, 11:24 PM
I use "Shul".
(Synagogue if I'm being formal - Temple, for me, should only be prefaced with "1st", "2nd" or "3rd").
appleciders
01-16-2012, 12:26 AM
Normally "Temple"-- the Jewish centers of worship in my hometown were "Temple such-and-such" and "Temple so-and-so", and my Jewish friends would refer to them as "Temples", so I did too.
Polycarp
01-16-2012, 01:15 AM
What term do you use to refer to Jewish places of worship?
In traditional Judaism, the Temple, built on Mt. Zion in Jerusalem and nowhere else, was the place where sacrifices were offered. Following the destruction of the Third ("Herod's") Temple, Orthodox Jews (and most Jews until recently were Orthodox) did not offer sacrifices.
There were two other Temples, considered heretical by strict Orthodoxy, on Mount Gerizim in Shechem and at Elephantine in Egypt.
Reform Jews tend to refer to their place of worship as a temple. For all Orthodox (including Chasidim) and I believe all Conservative Jews, the building-for-worship is the synagogue, in Israel and a few other areas informally termed shul as Alessan notes.
Alessan
01-16-2012, 01:23 AM
Actually, I got the term "shul" from my American (and Conservative Jewish) parents. Israelis use "beit knesset" exclusively when speaking Hebrew.
friedo
01-16-2012, 05:52 AM
Reform Jews tend to refer to their place of worship as a temple. For all Orthodox (including Chasidim) and I believe all Conservative Jews, the building-for-worship is the synagogue, in Israel and a few other areas informally termed shul as Alessan notes.
Shul is Yiddish and just means "school." It can be used anywhere to refer to a temple/synagogue, and is also used to refer to yeshivas for obvious reasons.
ctnguy
01-16-2012, 05:58 AM
I use shul too. I think it comes of hanging out with a lot of Jews, and also that the most well-known local one is known to everyone as the "Gardens Shul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardens_Shul)".
septimus
01-16-2012, 06:07 AM
In traditional Judaism, the Temple, built on Mt. Zion in Jerusalem and nowhere else, was the place where sacrifices were offered....
There were two other Temples, considered heretical by strict Orthodoxy, on Mount Gerizim in Shechem and at Elephantine in Egypt.
[hijack]
Did not sacrifices at the Mt. Gerizim site predate the Jerusalem temple? The Temple at Elephantine, OTOH, is more of a mystery, and offers a strong circumstantial link in alleged crackpot theory.
Sorry for posting off-topic. I'd like to read a thread about the Elephantine temple (and the circumstances it hints strongly at), but have nothing to offer but the question itself.
Alessan
01-16-2012, 06:27 AM
[hijack]
Did not sacrifices at the Mt. Gerizim site predate the Jerusalem temple? The Temple at Elephantine, OTOH, is more of a mystery, and offers a strong circumstantial link in alleged crackpot theory.
Traditionally, the sacrifices in Gerizim started soon after the split between Judea and Israel following the death of Solomon, who built the First Temple in Jerusalem. I don't know what the archeological evidence indicates, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were both established at roughly the same time.
Shmendrik
01-16-2012, 06:43 AM
Shul is Yiddish and just means "school." It can be used anywhere to refer to a temple/synagogue, and is also used to refer to yeshivas for obvious reasons.
I've never heard anyone refer to a school or yeshiva as a shul, despite the literal meaning of the word.
Nancarrow
01-16-2012, 07:15 AM
What term do you use to refer to Jewish places of worship?
Temple if it's just in any old city to boost their happiness, Synagogue in one of my top 3 cities if I'm going for cultural.
SecondJudith
01-16-2012, 07:48 AM
I use "Shul".
(Synagogue if I'm being formal - Temple, for me, should only be prefaced with "1st", "2nd" or "3rd").
Cosigned! I've heard of US Jews using 'temple' to refer to shul but it's not something I've ever come across in the UK. Does anyone know how it started?
MsRobyn
01-16-2012, 07:51 AM
I use "synagogue" as the generic term for a Jewish house of worship. However, many synagogues use the word "Temple" or "Congregation" in their name. For example, there is a synagogue named "Temple Beth Shalom" near where I live, and I refer to it by that name. My parents used to belong to "Congregation Agudas Achim", and that's what they called it when referring to that specific synagogue.
IvoryTowerDenizen
01-16-2012, 07:55 AM
Actually, I got the term "shul" from my American (and Conservative Jewish) parents. Israelis use "beit knesset" exclusively when speaking Hebrew.
I use shul in a more Yiddishite environment. My conservative shul growing up had Temple in its name, as did all the reform ones. My conservative shul here uses Congregation in its name, so when calling it by name I use congregation.
When speaking generically I use synagogue, (or shul, depending on whom I'm speaking with).
Digital is the new Analog
01-16-2012, 10:35 AM
In my youth, my family belonged to "Temple Kol-Ami".
So...Temple it is.
-D/a
Qadgop the Mercotan
01-16-2012, 10:53 AM
Grandma Mercotan (not the world's most enlightened soul) always called it the jew church. Some of my relatives still do. :rolleyes:
Hari Seldon
01-16-2012, 10:58 AM
I use all three terms, more or less at random. I guess I would use "shul" only when talking to Jews.
elbows
01-16-2012, 10:58 AM
I didn't vote.
Because 'either', or 'both', were not choices.
Though they would, in my case, be accurate.
Ludovic
01-16-2012, 11:49 AM
I've never heard anyone refer to a school or yeshiva as a shul, despite the literal meaning of the word.I don't hear either word that often, but on one occasion it was close. The lead singer for the band Say Anything is of Jewish extraction and sometimes inserts Jewish references into his songs. In "Wow, I Can Get Sexual, Too" one of the lines is "I forgot all the rules my rabbi taught me in the old shul". I'm not sure if that means temple or yeshiva, but I'm leaning toward the latter since it is also a pun on the phrase "Old School".
:::Hijack::: But most of the fans assume the lyrics are "Old School", and so sing it that way in concert. Max has also sang it that way in concert on occasion.
IvoryTowerDenizen
01-16-2012, 11:52 AM
I didn't vote.
Because 'either', or 'both', were not choices.
Though they would, in my case, be accurate.
"Other" didn't work for you?
Pyper
01-16-2012, 12:28 PM
All the Jews I know here in L.A. say "shul." The actual places of worship are usually titled "Temple" as in "Temple Beth Shalom," but nobody says "I'm going to temple," or "I'm going to the synagogue."
monstro
01-16-2012, 12:50 PM
There was a shul in my basement when I lived in Jersey. So during those years, "shul" rolled off the tongue first.
But I don't really find myself using these terms that much. I think the last time I mentioned a Jewish place of worship, I mentioned a specific place. As in, "Oh, you go to Beth Israel."
I think "temple" is in my head more, though.
I didn't vote, by the way. I hate voting. There should be a poll asking people if they vote before posting.
elbows
01-16-2012, 12:58 PM
"Other" didn't work for you?
I took 'other' to imply some other word, specifically for a temple.
Sorry, my bad.
IvoryTowerDenizen
01-16-2012, 01:36 PM
I took 'other' to imply some other word, specifically for a temple.
Sorry, my bad.
Very, very bad.
:D
cmkeller
01-16-2012, 03:22 PM
I say "shul."
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