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Keeves
09-29-1999, 10:24 AM
(Note: I put this thread in GQ because it is for factual information about the show. If you want to discuss opinions about whether you like it or not, go to Great Debates.)

(1) Where were Eddie Murphy and Joe Piscopo on sunday night? Is there so much ill will between them and the show that they couldn't go back to celebrate?

(2) There was a season about 5-10 years ago that was so bad that Lorne Michaels swore he'd never show any reruns of it. Exactly which year was that? Did anyone from that season even appear in the audience?

(3) Was anyone else missing?

Earl Snake-Hips Tucker
09-29-1999, 10:34 AM
I did not see the program, but I doubt that they had much of the season where the regulars were:

Denny Dillon
Gail Matthius
Charles Rocket
Gilbert Gottfried

That was the same season, IIRC, that Joe Piscopo and Eddie Murphy got their starts.

Supposedly, it was a truly awful season, but compared to what? I'm in a minority that believes that for the most part, SNL (from the first season)was like a garage sale: a lot of junk, interspersed with some real gems. And most of the "humor," IMHO, was derived from the fact that it was being viewed under the influence of mind-altering chemicals.

Keeves
09-29-1999, 10:55 AM
Interesting theory, Mjollnir. Itworks for Piscopo, but not for Murphy. According to the IMDB ( http://us.imdb.com/Title?0072562 ):

the new members in 1980 were Peter Aykroyd, Ann Risley, Charles Rocket, Denny Dillon, Gail Matthius, Gilbert Gottfried, Joe Piscopo, Matthew Laurance, Patrick Weathers, Yvonne Hudson.

and the new members in 1981 were Brian Doyle Murray, Christine Ebersole, Eddie Murphy, Mary Gross, Robin Duke, Tim Kazurinsky, Tony Rosato.

Inky
09-29-1999, 11:13 AM
Joe Piscapo was far too busy attending the grand opening a GNC in Teaneck New Jersey.

Sam Stone
09-29-1999, 01:37 PM
I think it was the 80-81 seasons that really sucked. As I recall, Lorne Michaels left, and the show was taken over by Dick Ebersol (which might explain Christine Ebersol being on the show, but she actually wasn't that bad).

People have these amazingly fond memories of the first five years of the show, but there were some really lame skits. It was a running joke that they couldn't find endings to skits and often a skit would just peter out and stop. I can remember a lot of skits that went from start to finish with hardly a chuckle from the audience.

The years that had Randy Quaid and Robert Downey Jr. were also pretty bad, as I recall. During that period they did a lot of experiments with 'drama' that were bad drama with no comedy (although once in a while they'd hit on something pretty good).

Sofa King
09-29-1999, 02:29 PM
I seem to recall that Eddie Murphy appeared very occasionally throughout the 1980 and early '81 seasons, but was not credited because he was seventeen at the time. (I remember Murphy announcing to the audience that he had just turned eighteen, and was now "a regular." Anyone else with me on this?)

As for Murphy's lack of appearance on the special, Lorne Michaels pointed out to Reuters a couple of days ago that Murphy had never appeared live on any of the SNL anniversary specials, so why should he start now?

(That "noteable quote" originally appeared here (http://www.jokes.com/hnn/hnn_list.html) a couple of days ago, but I cannot find it now.)

Airblair
09-29-1999, 07:30 PM
From what I heard, Eddie Murphy didn't attend because of some unspecified antipathy to the show. I haven't heard of any issues between him and Joe Piscopo. Also, my two takes on shows never to air in reruns: First, the entire original cast left after 1980, and a new cast came on board. This included Gail Matthius, Ann Risley, and Charles Rocket. The show was universally panned, but I have seen episodes from it in reruns (at least the one with Bill Murray as the guest host.) Second, there is an episode with the original cast, hosted by Milton Berle, that Lorne found so excruciatingly bad (Milton was in high cheesiness mode) that he forbids it from airing. My info on this came from a book on SNL whose title and author escapes me, but that's what Amazon.com is for.

Airblair
09-29-1999, 07:33 PM
BTW, the show with Bill Murray that I was referring to was actually more funny and clever than almost any show that didn't have both Mike Myers and Phil Hartman.

Stephen
09-29-1999, 08:46 PM
I would imagine that Charles Rocket's last episode will never air again (for the obvious reason).

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Sam Stone
09-29-1999, 11:52 PM
Charles Rocket was fired for using the F-word back then, but it would hardly get a mention now. In fact, I seem to recall that someone else (Norm MacDonald?) did that later on and just got some sort of reprimand.

And they could easily air the show, because they could just bleep it or cut the segment.

On the Comedy Channel here in Canada they run reruns of SNL every day, and they've gone through all the seasons, including the Ebersol years.

So what were the best casts on Saturday Night Live? My vote, in order:

1. The cast with Phil Hartmann, Dana Carvey, Mike Myers, etc, right through the years where Norm MacDonald was Weekend Update Host.

2. The original cast

3. The current cast, and variations (Jay Mohr, Norm Macdonald, etc)

4. The last years with Eddie Murphy, Joe Piscopo, Julia Louis Dreyfus, Tim Kazurinsky

Sam Stone
09-30-1999, 12:01 AM
How about the best Weekend Update anchors:

1. Dennis Miller
2. Norm MacDonald
3. Bill Murray
4. Dan Ayckroyd/Jane Curtin
5. Colin Quinn
6. Brad Hall
7. Charles Rocket

Did I miss anyone?

Rich Hall
09-30-1999, 06:03 AM
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Alphagene
09-30-1999, 07:39 PM
You forgot Mary Gross and Brian-Doyle "He Blows Goats, I Have Proof" Murray.

astorian
09-30-1999, 10:38 PM
Did you miss anyone, among Weekend Update hosts? Well, Kevin Nealon was the anchor for quite a while after Dennis Miller left. I don't think he really wanted the job, and was only so-so at it... though he was a pretty good straight man for Opera Man and Cajun Man.

JoeyBlades
10-01-1999, 08:32 AM
I can't believe you missed Chevy Chase as weekend update host with Rosanne Rosannadanna, AKA Gilda Radner, as a frequent corespondent.

WallyM7
10-01-1999, 09:28 AM
Hmm, I can't find Belushi's name on any of these posts.

Is this some kind of conspiracy?

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10-01-1999, 09:50 AM
Jane Douminian (sp?) was the producer of SNL during the Charles Rocket, et al, year. Then Ebersol took over for maybe 2 seasons, and then Lorne Michaels returned.

I believe it was Paul Schaeffer, in a sketch where he was supposed to use the word "Frupping" or something similar about 20 times had a slip and said "fucking". All parties saw that it was a mistake. Unlike Rocket just blurting out "I just want to know who the fuck shot me!"

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10-02-1999, 04:48 PM
Actually,I thought Rich HAll was a total babe!

Rich Hall
10-02-1999, 06:08 PM
;)

RTA
10-02-1999, 08:26 PM
"I just want to know who the fuck shot me!"

Missed it; I'd love to see that sketch. One benefit to living in EST is that you get to see SNL truly LIVE and not "bleeped" like they do for the other time zones.
I saw Norm Macdonald's "fuck" as well as Cheri Oteri's "Look at this shit!" (At the end she was shown putting something into a "swear jar" held by Lorne.)
You'd think the culture at large would be hip enough by now to let that sort of thing slide. It's nothing people don't hear most every day.

10-03-1999, 03:35 PM
I love snl's show yesterday.The sketch with 1-800-eat-...It was good.Finally something that isn't boring.They need more shocking stuff,but It's hard to shock anyone nowadays.

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RTA
10-03-1999, 04:26 PM
The home security commercial was pretty shocking - and very funny. "Because there are a lot of dirty freaks out there."

Jerry Seinfeld, though, blech. David Bowie was great.

jack44556677
07-07-2012, 07:54 AM
I hope this isn't violating any rules here, but I am super curious about the answers to these questions, primarily question number 1!!

Q(1) Where were Eddie Murphy and Joe Piscopo on sunday night? Is there so much ill will between them and the show that they couldn't go back to celebrate?

Q(2) There was a season about 5-10 years ago that was so bad that Lorne Michaels swore he'd never show any reruns of it. Exactly which year was that? Did anyone from that season even appear in the audience?

Q(3) Was anyone else missing?

Seriously, no one who knows is talking? Since all we have is speculation anyway, please allow me to do my utmost to answer those questions.

A(1) The reports of animosity between Murphy and Piscopo mostly exist in newspaper reporting at the time. I just finished watching the "snl in the 80's" documentary/clip show in which Joe Piscopo could not have spoken more highly about Eddie Murphy. Kazurinski said Eddie was a mench and often would ask that his fellow performers get to perform more sketches (since at the time it really was the eddie murphy show (w/ joe piscopo)). I could go two ways with this, one, there are lawyers involved (public image and the like) that have necessitated the silence, and their non-admittance to the snl 25 year special. Or, option 2... perhaps the more reasonable one, in which we get to understand as snl fans/viewers that eveyone is a piece of shit, especially popular performers! SNL is aired from the capitol of capitalism, and behind the scenes is not a loving company of actors, but an unceasing popularity war. Piscopo had every reason to be jealous of Eddie, even considering in the 80's documentary he magnanomously suggested that he fought for getting eddie involved in the cast because he didn't want the superstardom. Sounds like an awfully fishy position for an actor to take. Eddie was very vocal about being "better" than the show, not just based on his hollywood success, and I'm sure that young, arrogant, and talented performer pissed a lot of people off. Anyone who knows the truth, please step forward!!! Rich Hall, I am looking at you!!! Surely you must know something!! By the way, Rich Hall is excellent in case you didn't know. Watch the old SNL with him in it, and watch QI (I was stunned when I saw the refrigerator magnet gag he re-used on QI, done as the original sketch on SNL)! (P.S. david spade called murphy a "falling star" on air in 1989, and murphy demanded an apology from lorne michaels, who refused. Clearly there was pre-existing animosity between snl and eddie murphy)

A(2) I am not totally sure, I have not heard/seen this Lorne Michaels quote. It could possibly be the denny dillon year (can you believe how ill prepared Jean was to cast/run that show?), but I think it is more likely to be one of "his" seasons he was reffering to. That season (11) ended with a sketch involving lorne, john lovitz and the snl cast all burning in flames, then when the credits rolled, ? marks were put by all of their names. Word is, only lorne and lovitz found that funny, most of the rest of them were fired. It was the first season he had returned and the show still sucked as badly as when he had been gone. I am pretty sure if there is a season which he personally wouldn't want aired it would be season 11. (fascinating idea for that season though, the breakfast club meets snl)

A(3) I did not see Rich Hall in that audience!! But seriously, except for the intro with bill murray, not much camera time was pointed towards the audience. So unless they were there to preform as well, I have no idea if they were there or not. Does someone have the listing of attendance/invites? You definitely got the distinct impression from the 25 year anniversary special that eddie was invited and chose not to come, but who knows if this is even true.

Thudlow Boink
07-07-2012, 09:42 AM
Since this ancient thread has been revived, I'll mention that, just the other day, I was randomly wondering why Eddie Murphy, almost uniquely among all poeple who have been involved with SNL, has so completely disassociated himself from the show. Anyone know anything?

samclem
07-07-2012, 05:08 PM
Zobie alert!

When this thread was started, there was no Cafe Society for movies, tv, etc. Now there is.

Moved from General Questions to Cafe Society.

samclem, Moderator

MPB in Salt Lake
07-07-2012, 05:27 PM
It seems to me that after Eddie Murphy was arrested for picking up the transvestite hooker, SNL's Weekend Update anchor at the time (Dennis Miller or Kevin Nealon?) made several blistering, balls-out jokes about the situation, and I wonder if that didn't keep him away from appearing on the subsequent SNL anniversary specials....

Sampiro
07-07-2012, 06:07 PM
Is 12 years 9 months and whatever a record?
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Since the OP was written there's been a bookshelf or two written about SNL. I've read some of them, but I'd like to read Gasping For Airtime by Jay Mohr, which I understand goes into detail on how much blood there is over just a minute or two of extra airtime. Chris Rock also had negative things to say about the back fighting (but Chris Rock is a bitchy little girl so no surprise there).

What I've wondered: back in the 90s Murphy had a very straight laced reputation as a drug free family man. (Hooker, divorce, Spice Girl, etc. has tarnished that, though to my knowledge he's still one of the most clean living superstars where drugs are concerned.) Piscopo otoh had a reputation as a womanizer and, due to his super buff period, was rumored to use steroids. I've wondered if those things combined to a falling out.

Though sometimes you have people you like at work but just don't keep tabs with once you move on- everybody here who's worked more than two jobs has been there. Essentially, co-stars are co-workers, and work-friends aren't necessarily off-work-friends.

GrandWino
07-07-2012, 07:16 PM
That Jay Mohr book is a fascinating read.

MPB in Salt Lake
07-07-2012, 07:23 PM
That Jay Mohr book is a fascinating read.

I am not too up with Jay Mohr's career or what he is like in his personal life, but for some reason it kind of surprised me when he recently mentioned on a late-night talk show I was watching (Craig Ferguson?) that he attends Mass every single day.

As I mentioned, I don't know much about the guy, but he wasn't someone I would have guessed was deeply religious.

Musicat
07-07-2012, 07:26 PM
Zobie alert!Is a "Zobie" like a Tony for Zombies?

Siam Sam
07-07-2012, 07:39 PM
And most of the "humor," IMHO, was derived from the fact that it was being viewed under the influence of mind-altering chemicals.

In 1975, that described just about everyone I knew. :D I remember how great we all thought the show was.


I think it was the 80-81 seasons that really sucked. As I recall, Lorne Michaels left, and the show was taken over by Dick Ebersol (which might explain Christine Ebersol being on the show, but she actually wasn't that bad).

1980-81 was the first season after all the remaining originals left, isn't it? That's when I stopped watching. Just wasn't funny.

CaptMurdock
07-07-2012, 10:29 PM
A few random points:


Christine Ebersole is not related to Dick Ebersol (notice the different spellings).
There were originally two shows from the original cast that Lorne swore would never be re-run: Louise Lasser's in the first season and Milton Berle's in the fourth. Lorne eventually relented on Lasser, but has maintained that if he has anything to say about the matter, the Berle episode will be buried with Lorne himself, never to be seen again.
Ironically, several years before hosting SNL, Milton Berle was a presenter at the 1976 Emmy Awards, which was the year SNL swept the awards. That put the show on the map.
Jean Doumanian, who took over as producer in 1980, had been the show's "associate producer" (read: talent coordinator) during the original run. She had virtually no experience in running a show, which is why almost none of the original production team believed she could do it.
Dick Ebersol, who took over from Doumanian, was NBC's director of late-night programming when NBC President Herb Schlosser thought up the concept of a late-night comedy variety show on Saturday night. Ebersol hired Lorne Michaels, who had wanted to do such a show for years. Michaels saw Ebersol as an ambitious, inexperienced schmuck, but at least Ebersol knew how to navigate network politics. Once the show was on the air, Michaels did some backstage manuevering to get Ebersol promoted to vice-president, effectively removing him from the picture.
Ebersol hired Michael O'Donoghue, the original show's head writer, in 1981 as his Chief of Staff. Once the show was somewhat successful again. Ebersol began to get more hands on, which infuriated MO'D. After enduring weeks of MO'D's tirades, Ebersol fired him during the Christmas break.

MPB in Salt Lake
07-07-2012, 11:00 PM
Dick Ebersol is (was?) married to the stunning Susan St. James, (who is many years younger than Ebersol, a significant age gap even for Hollywood) and several years back, they were flying back from their vacation home in Aspen CO. with their son Teddy when their private jet crashed during takeoff and Teddy was killed in the accident....

Biffy the Elephant Shrew
07-08-2012, 12:29 AM
Lorne eventually relented on Lasser, but has maintained that if he has anything to say about the matter, the Berle episode will be buried with Lorne himself, never to be seen again.

Just watched that one--I'd never seen it before, even though I have the Season 4 DVD set. It's a stinker, all right. Especially Berle's endless, mawkish, time-filling monologue at the end. The only funny sketch in the whole show is Dan Aykroyd doing his Irwin Mainway routine.

Santos L Halper
07-08-2012, 12:40 AM
Dick Ebersol is (was?) married to the stunning Susan St. James, (who is many years younger than Ebersol, a significant age gap even for Hollywood)

According to wikipedia, St James is a little less than a year older than Ebersol...

foolsguinea
07-08-2012, 01:11 AM
Were other cast members from the non-Lorne years on the special? SNL has been Lorne's little cult for a long time, and he may just not consider those to be his show. That would cut out Eddie Murphy, Joe Piscopo, and a lot of other people.

NDP
07-08-2012, 03:05 AM
Were other cast members from the non-Lorne years on the special? SNL has been Lorne's little cult for a long time, and he may just not consider those to be his show. That would cut out Eddie Murphy, Joe Piscopo, and a lot of other people.

Piscopo was on the 1989 anniversary special but not the 1999 one. In terms of guest hosting, I know Martin Short (1985-85) has done it several times as has Julia Louis-Dreyfus (1982-85). Murphy hasn't done anything with the show since guest-hosting in 1984.

Nom_de_Plume
07-08-2012, 04:28 AM
I vaguely remember reading excerpts from a book on SNL that mentioned one female cast member and said the writer had no idea what ever happened to her. Not much to go on, but does that ring a bell for anyone?

Hail Ants
07-08-2012, 09:00 AM
This is all just from my memories, but:

Eddie Murphy from the start had a very unsentimental, strictly business relationship with SNL. I remember reading an early interview (in TV Guide no less!) with him sometime between his 2nd & 3rd season with the show. He states matter-of-factly that in that disastrous first season he knew he was the best thing on the show, and yet they held him back. He said, "They tried to Garret Morris me!" The network didn't want any break out stars to emerge because that had caused turmoil (and big salary requests) in the show's initial run (Chevy quit after one season, Belushi & Ackroyd wanted to soon after). This plus as others mentioned the new producer didn't know what she was doing. Even so Eddie Murphy was a bonafide star at the end of that horrible first season, and he knew it. But he was (and still is) smart about his career so he came back for a couple more years, made his first hit movie, 48 Hrs, while still doing the show, then when the time was right he moved on.

Point is Saturday Night Live owes much more to Eddie Murphy than he owes to it. He'd have been a star one way or the other, but without him SNL literally might have been canceled after that awful sixth season. And he did it all without ever being an annoying, egotistical prima donna. He knew exactly how talented he was and how best to make use of it. He's certainly made more than his share of stinkers, but he's made enough good stuff to overshadow all of it. And his beginnings on SNL are only about one tenth of one percent of his body of work (though some of the most consistently good) so why should he ever want to dwell on it?

ScarletNumber
07-08-2012, 12:21 PM
the Berle episode will be buried with Lorne himself, never to be seen again.

It can be seen on the DVD of Season 4.

I am not too up with Jay Mohr's career or what he is like in his personal life, but for some reason it kind of surprised me when he recently mentioned on a late-night talk show I was watching (Craig Ferguson?) that he attends Mass every single day.

As I mentioned, I don't know much about the guy, but he wasn't someone I would have guessed was deeply religious.

IMHO he is doing it as a career move.

For whatever reason, the populace at large finds him to be unlikeable.

Q(3) Was anyone else missing?

Every former host was invited, except the one from Season 3, Episode 12...OJ Simpson

zbuzz
07-08-2012, 09:37 PM
In the book Live From New York, an NBC exec attributes Eddie Murphy not appearing on the 15th anniversary show to the David Spade Hollywood Minute "falling star" joke. I might be wrong, but as far as I can tell, that joke came after the anniversary show aired.

In the same book, Lorne Michaels says that Murphy was willing to attend the anniversary show, but only if Billy Crystal would not be there. Crystal had made a remark about Murphy in a Playboy interview that Murphy didn't like, so Murphy didn't want him to be on the show. Michaels had already invited Crystal, so that was that.

jack44556677
07-09-2012, 02:22 AM
sources close to both say the bad blood between them started with a March '88 interview in Playboy in which Crystal said of Murphy, "I don't think he's a good comedian.... When he came back and hosted Saturday Night Live during my season [1984-85], it was an uncomfortable week.... He would come very late to rehearsals or not at all. And never apologize."

Murphy, understandably, was angered by the remarks, and when Crystal tried to apologize to him, he didn't accept it.

Murphy didn't show up for last year's Saturday Night Live reunion special on NBC because Crystal had already been booked to appear.
Source: People Magazine January 22, 1990 "Feuding Funnymen" by Mitchell Fink

That explains why Eddie didn't host the 1989 reunion, and could POSSIBLY explain why he didn't do the 25th. If he is truly that sensitive, then perhaps the falling star comment really was all that was needed to stop him from going to the next one. (I believe zbuzz is right about that david spade joke happening after the 15th anniversary in 1989).

The thing is, I know on snl that there is an editing process that takes place, and that certain people are "jibe"-able and others are not (based on personal and professional politics). For instance, if there is a possibility that someone may host the show, that person is not repeatedly slandered on air (even when it would be REALLY funny). Considering the on air slandering of him both in regards to the transvestite incident (kevin nealon) and his dwindling career (david spade), I believe we can conclude that he was not welcome on SNL since that last time he hosted.

Snippets of the Crystal interview from Playboy give the distinct impression that Eddie pulled a bit of a Chevy Chase when he returned to host (after no doubt telling all those people how he really felt when he left for hollywood the first time....)

"And he did it all without ever being an annoying, egotistical prima donna" - Hail_Ants

@Hail_Ants: I agree with everything you said EXCEPT the quote above which is quite obviously not true. Or do you think they wrote "Live from new york, it's the eddie murphy show" on the cue cards?

Hail Ants
07-09-2012, 11:49 PM
"And he did it all without ever being an annoying, egotistical prima donna"
@Hail_Ants: I agree with everything you said EXCEPT the quote above which is quite obviously not true. Or do you think they wrote "Live from new york, it's the eddie murphy show" on the cue cards?

Well, I feel he's successfully kept any part of that behind the scenes. I think his public persona has always been & remains him being perceived as a nice guy. And when he did that, "Live from NY, its the Eddie Murphy show!" line it wasn't so much him being egotistically & arrogant but more him acknowledging his amazing success in a playful, wink-wink sort of way. That's the way I took it and I think the audience did too (though maybe not the then current SNL cast!)

Horatio Hellpop
07-10-2012, 08:33 AM
I vaguely remember reading excerpts from a book on SNL that mentioned one female cast member and said the writer had no idea what ever happened to her. Not much to go on, but does that ring a bell for anyone?

Ann Risley. As of when the SNL 25th Anniversary book came out, she had the least impressive subsequent career (Her IMDB listing dead-ends at 1993). Gail Matthius, similarly obscure, has an IMDB credit as recently as 2000, but most of it looks like animation voice work.

Pamela Stephenson and Morwenna Banks left the show after brief tenures. Stephenson married Billy Connelly and left show business in 1987 to raise a family and go back to school. Banks (who left the show after four episodes in the 1995-96 season, the same season that ate and digested Sarah Silverman, Laura Kightlinger and Janeane Garofalo) is active in British television.

Gyrate
07-10-2012, 09:05 AM
Stephenson went on to become a clinical psychologist and occasionally appears on UK television doing a one-on-one format "psychology-based interview show" (to quote Wikipedia) called Shrink Rap. She was also on Strictly Come Dancing in 2010; although she was 60 at the time, watching her salsa dance made me think that Billy Connelly was a very, very lucky man.