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Skywatcher
04-13-2001, 02:42 PM
I noticed the Movie Ending thread and figured I might as well start one for television.

My top two:

St. Elsewhere--it was all the figment of an autistic boy's imagination? WTF?

Quantum Leap--Sam suddenly finds out it was all from his subconscious and he can really go anywhere he wants. Yeah, right.

Superdude
04-13-2001, 03:06 PM
...I always felt cheated by both of those, as well. Here's mine:

As inventive as it was, I was always disappointed by the very last "Newhart." I thought that it was clever that he woke up at the end, in bed with Suzanne Pleshett (sp), his wife from his first sit-com, but it seemed to me like that was too contrived an ending. And I hated the last episode of "Seinfeld."

Agrippina
04-13-2001, 03:39 PM
I hated the last episode of Alf. Alf's alien friends are coming to pick him up in order to colonize a new planet and the CIA come and get Alf. I believe the last episode might have been a "To Be Continued..." and it wasn't continued until years later with that TV movie with Alf escaping from the CIA, in order to close up any loose questions the fans may have. It was an OK movie, but I would have liked to see the Tanner's POV.

Perfect Strangers had the same type of ending. It was a To Be Continued... where their kids are being born and that was the last episode. By then I was disapointed in the show. I couldn't believe that Larry and Balki went and got married, but marriage (or a baby) is usually where a show turns crummy. Except for Get Smart. But then they had to add the twins. ::shudder::

Max Torque
04-13-2001, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by Jeff Olsen
Quantum Leap--Sam suddenly finds out it was all from his subconscious and he can really go anywhere he wants. Yeah, right.

Huh? I remember the last episode of Quantum Leap as ending with just text on the screen that talked about what happened with Al and concluded with something like, "Sam never made it home." Which really, really, REALLY sucked; that's my all-time crappy series ending champ.

RealityChuck
04-13-2001, 06:17 PM
It's funny, but I just watched the QL final episode again and was surprised that it wasn't as bad as I remembered it. However, "you control the leaps" just doesn't wash -- how the hell could he know?

"Twin Peaks" final episode was a disappointment, but that was because they were setting up for a new season, so it actually wasn't an "ending."

BobT
04-13-2001, 06:27 PM
I always thought that QL's last episode was interesting. St. Elsewhere's did disappoint me. I believe it's on Bravo today (4/13) or Monday (4/15).

St. Elsewhere's last episode also ran into a problem because Ed Flanders was supposed to give a long speech on the importance of the hospital to the community, etc. etc. However, he was just too obstinate to do those lines and the producers were running into a time crunch, so they just ended up having Flander's Dr. Westphall character looking out over a crowd of people with music playing in the background.
St. Elsewhere's last year was pretty much a drag anyway. Ronny Cox just didn't cut it.

However, I identified with the characters so strongly that I still think that when I see Norman Lloyd on TV that he should be dead. But actually he seems in pretty good shape for a guy in his 80s.

Airblairxxx
04-13-2001, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by neptune_1984
Perfect Strangers had the same type of ending. It was a To Be Continued... where their kids are being born and that was the last episode. . .I couldn't believe that Larry and Balki went and got married, but marriage (or a baby) is usually where a show turns crummy.

Was that show kinkier than I remember?


And as far as when a show turns crummy, look at jumptheshark.com. It refers to the Happy Days episode when Fonzi jumped a sharktank on his motorcycle, and the show sucked ever after. It discusses when your favorite sitcom started to suck.

Sir Rhosis
04-13-2001, 06:56 PM
Yeah, yeah, diss the last episode of Quantum Leap all ya want, you're never gonna find a more powerful, intense moment in any previous episode (well, you might, but I'm being hyperbolic) than when Sam leaps back to the moment (which was fom another episode, I believe) and tells Al's wife that he's alive. Simple and effective, thought I. IIRC the scene just plays with Sam saying something like "Al's alive... he's coming home," whereupon the actress dissolves into smiles/tears of joy. Good moment.

On the other hand, I thought it was a crime that Al shows up for only something like three minutes in the entire show.

Sir

Oh, the OP: Although, I can't say that I had followed the show religiously (even once opened a thread to ask what happened in the last season), I didn't care for the Sisko in the lake of fire finale of Star Trek: DS9. And I always thought Alf and Max Wright went off to smoke crack in the final show.

Rich G7subs
04-13-2001, 06:59 PM
[i]Originally posted by neptune_1984
Perfect Strangers had the same type of ending. It was a To Be Continued... where their kids are being born and that was the last episode. By then I was disapointed in the show. I couldn't believe that Larry and Balki went and got married, but marriage (or a baby) is usually where a show turns crummy. Except for Get Smart. But then they had to add the twins. ::shudder::

[/B]


Wow...The ENDING sucked? I thought the whole damned SERIES sucked.I didn't think anyone on the planet watched that show.

Yeah,The quantum leap last episode sucked.But basically the whole last year was getting progressivly worse.

DKW
04-14-2001, 03:56 AM
I didn't think the last episode of Quantum Leap was that bad, but the conclusion was a disappointment. In particular, I would have liked to know what prevented Sam from ever returning home...did it have anything to do with saving Al's marriage? Or not "really wanting to" return? Too confusing. I don't quite understand how his subconscious "controlled the leaps" or whatever...all in all, this could have gone a lot more smoothly than it did.

The ending for Newhart was a total cop-out, and worse, I didn't even get it until much later (you know, some of the viewers, myself included, didn't see the his first series).

And although I'm probably the only person in the country who still remembers Herman's Head, I found the last episode to be a bit of a disappointment. Herman has a bunch of flashbacks and decides not to give up on life...yawn. (Actually, I'm kinda disappointed it got cancelled at all; liked it much more than about 95% of their primetime fare back then.)

Eliahna
04-14-2001, 04:21 AM
RealityChuck is on the money with his nomination of Twin Peaks.

A dedicated fan of the show, I never missed an episode, and watched it religously until the final episode - a cliff-hanger because they were expecting to come back the next year. The fact that THAT was the final episode ruined the whole show for me, and I refused to watch the reruns until a year or two ago, I was so disappointed.

I mean, there were explosions, major characters possibly dead, the good guy had allowed evil in, this was a heavy-duty cliffhanger! If only it hadn't been axed.

lawoot
04-14-2001, 04:21 AM
Ah, Quantum Leap

I always read the ending as more a matter of Sam CHOOSING not to come home at the end... continuing going around the world, correcting the historical mix-ups, etc...

Wasn't it kind of inferred that the 'bartender' in the last episode was God?

KneadToKnow
04-14-2001, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by Sir Rhosis
you're never gonna find a more powerful, intense moment in any previous episode (well, you might, but I'm being hyperbolic) than when Sam leaps back to the moment (which was fom another episode, I believe) and tells Al's wife that he's alive. Simple and effective, thought I. IIRC the scene just plays with Sam saying something like "Al's alive... he's coming home," whereupon the actress dissolves into smiles/tears of joy. Good moment.
Sorry for this hijack, but:

I couldn't agree more. I'm sad and disappointed that so many people who seem to have liked Quantum Leap disliked the last episode. It was the perfect last episode. Allow me to explicate:

Over the course of the show, Sam undid pretty much everything that ever bad happened to him or his loved ones. He saved his brother, his father, too, if I recall. He was given a chance to be reunited with his wife. He fathered a child who wound up (possibly unaware of being his child) a key member of Project Quantum Leap, and he even got Ziggy's gender straightened out. The only mission he ever failed a friend on was the chance he had to save Al's first marriage.

Knowing Sam, you can imagine how this must have weighed on his swiss-cheesed mind. Once God-Al (sorry, best name I could come up with) told Sam that he was in control of his own destiny, what was the first thing Sam did? He fixed the one thing he'd failed to do for his best friend who'd stuck with him through it all.

I f*cking cried like a baby.

The postscript "Sam never went home" was intended, as others have noted, to indicate that Sam chose to continue doing the work of God-Al in setting right what once went wrong.

Jesus, I'm getting verklempt just thinking about it.

Talk amongst y'selves.

Jet Jaguar
04-14-2001, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by neptune_1984
I hated the last episode of Alf. Alf's alien friends are coming to pick him up in order to colonize a new planet and the CIA come and get Alf. I believe the last episode might have been a "To Be Continued..." and it wasn't continued until years later with that TV movie with Alf escaping from the CIA, in order to close up any loose questions the fans may have. It was an OK movie, but I would have liked to see the Tanner's POV.

The final episode of ALF was a "to be continued...". From what I understand, the show was on the network's chopping block, and the producers thought they pulled a fast one with the cliffhanger ending. They can't cancel a show and leave the loose ends hanging like that, right? :)

Agrippina
04-14-2001, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by Rich G7subs
[i]Originally posted by neptune_1984
Perfect Strangers had the same type of ending. It was a To Be Continued... where their kids are being born and that was the last episode. By then I was disapointed in the show. I couldn't believe that Larry and Balki went and got married, but marriage (or a baby) is usually where a show turns crummy. Except for Get Smart. But then they had to add the twins. ::shudder::




Wow...The ENDING sucked? I thought the whole damned SERIES sucked.I didn't think anyone on the planet watched that show.

Yeah,The quantum leap last episode sucked.But basically the whole last year was getting progressivly worse. [/B]

LOL! Yeah, I'm sure it did suck, but I was twelve or thirteen when the show went off the air and I was young when I watched it. It's one of those childhood shows of mine that have no artistic value at all but you like because it reminds you of your childhood.

Pammipoo
04-14-2001, 09:38 AM
As I recall, the last episode of Full House was pretty lame. I know I saw it, but I don't remember all the details. I think they all moved away to their own happy little homes.

Deiket
04-14-2001, 10:17 AM
The worst TV ending I have ever seen just HAS to be for Silk Stalkings. I loved this show, the old episode with Chris and Rita. Once those two got married I was SO happy! Then, something absolutly AWFUL happened and both characters er.... left....
But did they end the series there? NO!
They went on for THREE MORE YEARS, with two new detectives who.... I'm going to restrain myself.
Anyway, the last few lines of the show were between these two. There was this big IA investigation on the male character and he was going to get arrested or something, and the female finds him in the captain's office and says "So what happens now?"
Last line of the show? "I don't know."

That was it. Blech.

Folkie
04-14-2001, 10:36 AM
The last episode of Northern Exposure was pretty stinky.
Not that it was bad in itself but the series deserved better. The REAL ending was when Joel wound up back in NY but they had the rest of the season to go.

I did not mind the end of Twin Peaks. If it HADN'T been a cliffhanger, it wouldn't have been TP. The FBI man staring at Bob in the mirror, laughing maniacally and yelling "How's Annie?" over and over seemed perfectly in tune with the rest of the show.

Mahaloth
04-14-2001, 11:50 AM
Does anyone else remember the ALF movie that came out and concluded the story?

It's called Project ALF.

http://us.imdb.com/Details?0117397

See? It all worked out. And ALF is never gone, he's always around...in pog form.

PatrickM
04-14-2001, 12:39 PM
I thought the last show of "Magnum P.I.", when Magnum rejoined the Navy and Higgins turned out to be Robin Masters, was pretty bad because it was so inconsistent with what had been established in earlier seasons. In previous years Robin Masters had been portrayed by the back of Orson Welles' head, but then Orson had the termerity to die while the show was still in production.

In what should have been the final show Magnum died and the final shot showed him walking through the clouds toward heaven. Then the show got renewed, and the first show of the next (and final) season had Magnum recovering from a near death experience. Bah!

Ross
04-14-2001, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by KneadToKnow
The postscript "Sam never went home" was intended, as others have noted, to indicate that Sam chose to continue doing the work of God-Al in setting right what once went wrong.I liked the open ending (it was pretty open) because it allowed me to read into the story more than may have been intended. I always thought Sam ensured another leap just by fixing the "problem" on the present one. Thus, to return home, he just had to take his hands off and let the bad stuff happen: but was unable to resist helping, due to being an all-round good egg. Decent chap, what? One of Us.
But I have no proof, even no background, to suggest that Sam never failed to fix a problem.

waterj2
04-14-2001, 01:00 PM
The worst I saw was the final episode of Ellen. A complete incoherent mess.

Fern Forest
04-14-2001, 04:36 PM
I'd like to vote for

-- SOAP. Basically everybody is just about to die and then the show ended and they never renewed it. It just makes me seeth.

-- This doesn't really count but at the end of Cheers Woody was elected to City Council, years later he's on Frasier and he's back to being a bartender. Made me feel bad for Woody.

Silvio
04-14-2001, 05:32 PM
Overall, I thought Cheers was a terrible season finale. It was very depressing, and made you ashamed for keeping up with such a batch of futile losers for all of those years.

I thought the ending of Deep Space 9 was a disappointment as well. The whole energy of the war arc had been deluted all season with detours into Ferengi low comedy and Ezri Dax love and detective stories. While the final episode had great moments, it really blew it with the "is Sisco really dead or isn't he" set-up.

pesch
04-15-2001, 01:07 AM
Put me down as one of those who thought the Magnum ending blew chunks as well. He was better off dead.

I was especially disappointed because I thought the show got a bum rap. It did some clever stories with the secondary characters and tried to be more than just another detective series.

That last year was pretty much forgettable.

As for "Newhart," I grew up with the first show, so the ending made perfect sense to me, but I can understand all the headscratching that went on with some people.

Drastic
04-15-2001, 01:58 AM
I've never quite decided whether or not to love or hate how Blake's 7 ended. It was definitely memorable for me--moreso than most of the show after intervening years.

SPOOFE
09-01-2001, 05:19 AM
The last episode for Voyager was an utter pooch-screw. Wait, no, the whole last season of Voyager was an utter pooch-screw. Sure, they had some good episodes, but there was absolutely NO build-up to the final confrontration. It was set up like any other episode - "Oh, the Borg are doin' not-nice stuff again!" - except at this one, the producers remembered at the last minute that it was the final episode, and tacked on the whole "Hey, we got back to Earth!" as an aside.

That's the feeling... "tacked on". You'd a-thought that the finale for a seven-year run would have taken a bit more build-up than just one episode. As such, the whole thing felt VERY rushed. I mean, hell, in several parts, I felt like the actors were talking very fast in order to squeeze it all in.

Enderw24
09-01-2001, 11:02 AM
I liked Quantum Leap's ending.

Silvio, here's an old thread I created on DS9's (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=52968) final episode. My OP is quite long so I didn't want to repost it here. In the words of Jay Sherman, it stinked!

Also, what about Alien Nation? The ending was crappy because there never was an ending. They left it open for a cliffhanger and then necer got to film the second half. Why? They cancelled it after one season! One season! That show was excellent, IMO. I still haven't forgiven Fox for it.

Czarcasm
09-01-2001, 11:45 AM
Before I move this to Cafe Society, I'd like to give my take on the Quantum Leap finale. Sam didn't go home because he deliberately eliminated much of his own history by fixing Al's life. I believe he met his wife through the Project, and without Al there was no Project. Sam knew exactly what he was sacrificing when he did that jump, and that's what made it the hardest jump of his life.

Laughing Lagomorph
09-01-2001, 12:21 PM
There was a late 1980's cops and robbers series called Crime Story. Michael Mann produced it, it starred a young(er) Dennis Farina. It also was a victim of the "network wants to axe us so lets make a cliffhanger episode so they wouldn't dare not let us come back next season" syndrome. They did dare. They didn't come back. The last episode ended with all of the major characters, good and bad, on a plane that was about to crash, with the pilot and copilot dead or incapacitated.

TheeGrumpy
09-01-2001, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by Enderw24
what about Alien Nation? The ending was crappy because there never was an ending. They left it open for a cliffhanger and then necer [sic] got to film the second half. Why? They cancelled it after one season!

First, the final episode "Green Eyes" wasn't bad in itself -- just a letdown because they never filmed the conclusion. Second, they did film the conclusion! In 1994 (4 years after cancellation), the TV film "Alien Nation: Dark Horizon" wrapped up the cliffhanger. Since they didn't want to recap the previous episode, the events were restructured in such a way that it stands on its own. Unfortunately, after 4 years the cast looks mighty chubby. They slimmed down for the subsequent TV movies.

(When this thread was revived as part of the Quantum Leap discussion, I noticed that it had ended prior to ST:Voyager's finale. And I just knew there was more to be said.)

elfkin477
09-01-2001, 02:13 PM
From 94-95' there was a trashy night-time soap called Models Inc. that was trying to cash in on the fame of Beverly Hills 90210 and Melrose Place. Though I liked it, even I could see a pattern of it's episodes bearing an errie similarity to MP episodes that aired two weeks before. Ok, I watched it because there were hot guys. Happy? Anyway, in the season finale Grayson comes to a wedding with a gun, and is planning to murder one of the happy couple. Just as she pulls the trigger a toddler, the son she and the groom had, runs towards the couple and.... To Be Continued. Arggh!

Max Harvey
09-01-2001, 02:45 PM
Mork & Mindy. They died. Very, very disturbing to an 8-year-old.

Fionn
09-01-2001, 03:10 PM
Roseanne's ending was horrible. Since I've been watching the show in reruns, I was cursed with seeing the last episode again.
In the final season, the Conners won the lottery, Dan had an affair, the family went on long trips, met terrorists, and so forth. Most of it was stupid, but they got the show back on track when Darlene and David's baby was born. Then, in the last episode, it is revealed that none of the preceding events happened. All of events were part of a story Roseanne wrote after Dan died.
Strangest of all, Roseanne's voice-over says that she thought Becky and Darlene were better with each others husbands, so she switched them around. Does that mean Darlene was married to Mark and Becky was married to David?

SpoilerVirgin
09-01-2001, 03:42 PM
I'd look to put a big thumbs up vote in here for every TV series that ended by explaining the entire series as some kind of work of fiction. I LOVE those endings -- they give the shows a special kind of cohesion.

St. Elsewhere - The whole show was always slightly off. Wacky stuff that would never happen IRL kept happening. The ending tied it all together by making it a child's imagination. I mean, how else do you explain Howie Mandel?

Newhart - My vote for best TV series ending ever. It played on the way the audience always identifies TV actors by the parts they play. So many people saw Dick Loudon as just another version of the psychiatrist Bob played on his earlier show. And adding Suzanne Pleshette was just the icing on the cake. Again, could you really explain Larry, Darryl, and my other brother Darryl as anything except a truly bizarre dream?

Roseanne - By far the sweetest, and another one of my favorites. Of course, I'd loved the original conception of Roseanne as this tight-knit, middle class, middle American family. I liked the show less and less as it drifted away from that concept. But the ending made it all good again (except for Dan being dead of course). And it made perfect sense that Roseanne would see things the way she did. Plus, she got to be a writer after all. (Yes, IRL, according to the show, Becky was married to David, and Darlene was married to Mark).

I also really liked the ending of Magnum, but mainly because Lily turned out to be alive. I had basically said that the one thing I wanted from the final episode was to bring back Lily, and they did, so I was happy.

As for Soap, even though I know it ended abruptly because of the cancellation, it really couldn't have ended any other way. It was a soap opera, after all. They can't end.

As for the OP, I agree with everyone who suggested Quantum Leap. No conclusion, no answers, and really depressing too. I also want to throw in a vote for Cheers, which was hyped so much that anything they did would have been anticlimatic, and which violated the cardinal rule of sitcom endings -- it wasn't funny. Finally, Seinfeld had an extremely depressing and unfunny episode. The joke was that these people were jerks without knowing it. Once they learned the truth, it burst the bubble (sort of like a heckler at a standup show completely deflating the comedian).

Kaitlyn
09-01-2001, 04:50 PM
Gotta weigh in on a couple of these.

Quantum Leap: My take is that near the end, they have finally found the correct calculations to bring Sam home. He can choose himself, or he can choose to help Al, but by choosing to help Al, he would change his own history so much that the Quantum Leap project would never come to exist (as Czarcasm said). Al is the navy admiral who is responsible for getting funding for the project, presumably as a part of naval intelligence. With Al happy with his first wife, the project never comes to be, and our Sam is set adrift. But this isn't a sad ending. Sam, being who he is, can't do anything but choose the path of helping others over helping himself. Controlling his own leaps is a natural consequence of losing his guide (Al) and possibly the entire support team. By the way, am I the only one who sees a strong resemblance between Sam Becket and Deadman?

Roseanne: Ballybay has it close. I think the ending indicates that everything that happens is a story written by Roseanne, but the point of divergence isn't Dan's death at the end of the penultimate season. In the first or second season, Roseanne is given as a birthday present a writing workshop in the basement. Everything after that is part of the story, which explains the switched boyfriends/husbands, both of which had been going on for several seasons by the end.

St. Elsewhere: It was supposed to end with the fourth season closer, which had the hospital being torn down while Dr. Aushlander runs down the main hall in a hospital gown screaming, having been left inside. This was a good final episode. The show was renewed, and they took back Aushlander's death and the hospital's destruction, leading to the finale we now have, which I like, but not as much.

Magnum, P. I.: Another final episode that was negated by the series being renewed. I liked this one because of a subtle touch. Every Magnum episode begins with a Magnum voice-over in the first scene Magnum appears in. This is the film equivilent of a first-person narration that is the standard for detective novels. First person narration implies that the narrator is alive at the end of the story to tell it. This episode begins with a shootout in a warehouse involving Magnum, but with no voiceover. The first time I saw it, I was uneasy, and didn't realize what was wrong until after he gets shot and then begins the narration. He isn't narrating at the beginning because he doesn't survive to tell the story.

The revival episode sucked, but I liked the final scene from the "new" final episode also: Magnum walking on the beach holding hands with his daughter.

I loved the finales of Newhart, imho the greatest series finale ever, and Cheers which was more drama than comedy, but worked in a series that in its beginning was often as much drama as comedy.

Let me add a series finale that I dislike. In the final episode of Happy Days, they entirely forget that Richie and Joanie had an older brother, Chuck, who figured prominently in several first season episodes.

jcgmoi
09-01-2001, 05:08 PM
Laughing Lagomorph: A&E is running Crime Story most Mondays at 9. Since I missed the show first time around I get a 2001 perspective on a 1986 perspective of 1963 Chicago. Great honking Detroit steel, music arranged by Todd Rundgren and Al Kooper, first-rate bad guys, grown people twisting--it's the lurid, sleazy high-light of my TV week.

Laughing Lagomorph
09-01-2001, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by jcgmoi
Laughing Lagomorph: A&E is running Crime Story most Mondays at 9. Since I missed the show first time around I get a 2001 perspective on a 1986 perspective of 1963 Chicago. Great honking Detroit steel, music arranged by Todd Rundgren and Al Kooper, first-rate bad guys, grown people twisting--it's the lurid, sleazy high-light of my TV week.

Don't I know it! And don't miss Andrew Dice Clay, acting! And not doing a bad job of it, either. But watch out, my friend! That ending is going to leave you hanging!

Torgo
09-01-2001, 08:50 PM
Blackadder Goes Forth

I've always thought the last episode (or last scene I should say) of the last installment of this terrific, insensitive, irreverent and blasphemous series was unnecessarily sentimental and maudlin. A betrayal to the true nature and attitude of the show.

Drastic
09-01-2001, 10:55 PM
Blake's 7. I have a sort of love-hate relationship with it looking back. That the crew all ended in such a pooch-screw fit the rather bleak future, but still...

American Gothic falls into the categories of shows that ended badly because of the network (CBS in this case) killing it--that after a season of continually preempting it for, well, crap, changing its timeslot repeatedly, etc.

Jeannie
09-01-2001, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by Max Harvey
Mork & Mindy. They died. Very, very disturbing to an 8-year-old.

They what?! Please tell me you're joking.

I used to watch the show in reruns, and I never (apparently) saw the last episode.

They died? How? Why?

Oh, man, this is really disappointing...

Kamino Neko
09-01-2001, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by Torgo
Blackadder Goes Forth

I've always thought the last episode (or last scene I should say) of the last installment of this terrific, insensitive, irreverent and blasphemous series was unnecessarily sentimental and maudlin. A betrayal to the true nature and attitude of the show.

Were we watching the same series?

The last episode was the perfect way to end the series.

Not only was it an echo to the 'Kill-em-all' endings of I and II (I think III skipped that and had Blackadder replace Prince George...), but it was the culmination of the 'this is all completely futile and stupid' attitude of the series.

While Baldrick's last few lines are 'sentimental and maudlin', Blackadder's final line or two, and the 'Aw, bugger it' attitude thereof broke that (and this fits the above).

okielady
09-02-2001, 12:38 AM
Another vote for Seinfeld. Horrific, disgusting, nonsensical CRAP if you ask me. I was all ready for this great finale, and they come up with this horseshit trial? I enjoyed the pre-finale more, with the flashbacks and bloopers. (Side note, every time I hear Good Riddance (Time Of Your Life) by Green Day I think of the final episode of Seinfeld.)

Roseanne was also pretty lame. I mean, the concept was good, but it just didn't make up for the final season being so full of pointless storylines.

Kaitlyn
09-02-2001, 01:10 AM
I hated the final episode of Seinfeld as a whole, but I loved the final moments. The first episode began with a standup spot, followed by the first in-character moment: a conversation between Jerry and George about the second button on George's shirt. The final moments of the last episode have Jerry and George in the jail cell, and Jerry comments on the second button on George's shirt. George points out that they'd had that conversation before, and for the first time in their lives, they have nothing to talk about. Then it ends with a final stand-up spot. The last moments mirror the first moments. Nice.

Kaitlyn
09-02-2001, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by Jeannie
Originally posted by Max Harvey
Mork & Mindy. They died. Very, very disturbing to an 8-year-old.

They what?! Please tell me you're joking.

I used to watch the show in reruns, and I never (apparently) saw the last episode.

They died? How? Why?

Oh, man, this is really disappointing...

The final episode was "The Mork Report". Mork tries to get a promotion from Orson by filing a report on what makes a good marriage, but winds up violating the principles in his own report. No one dies. It is likely that this episode was aired out of its intended order.

The true series finale could be considered IIRC "On the Run", a three parter in which the couple are pursued by a homocidal alien, their apartment is bombed, and they decide to reveal that Mork is an alien on TV. They are pursued by a mob back to their apartment, and Mork uses his magic shoes to escape, which, being damaged, accidently transport them to prehistoric times.

I'd prefer to think of the series as having ended after the first season.

custard dragon
09-02-2001, 02:11 AM
As I recall, the last episode of Full House was pretty lame.

Did everyone die in the end of that one?

Max Harvey
09-02-2001, 03:14 AM
Originally posted by Jeannie
Originally posted by Max Harvey
Mork & Mindy. They died. Very, very disturbing to an 8-year-old.

They what?! Please tell me you're joking.

I used to watch the show in reruns, and I never (apparently) saw the last episode.

They died? How? Why?

Oh, man, this is really disappointing...

This is all pretty hazy, I saw it when it first aired, and then c. 1987 in syndication.

It was a three-episode arc. In the first episode, Mork and Mindy meet an alien (played by Joe from Murphy Brown) and his wife. Everyone gets along fine, until the "wife" tells M&M that her husband is actually an assassin sent to kill Mork, and she's really a bomb. She explodes and the apartment is destroyed.

In the second episode, M&M and their son (Jonathon Winters, god that was a waste of talent) climb out of the rubble, and "Joe" returns trying to kill them. During the battles between Mork and Joe, it becomes public knowledge that Mork is an alien. M&M decide to time-travel to the past in order to escape Joe. Somehow Jonathon Winters gets left behind, and the episode ends with him in hysterics, surrounded by reporters.

In the third episode M&M arrive at some point in the past, only to be followed shortly by Joe. M&M keep going back in time, Joe catches up to them, etc. Eventually M&M foil Joe, and he meets with some ghastly, morally just fate that I can't remember. Unfortunately M&M, still traveling back in time, are unable to escape the "time tunnel" thingie. Mork tells Mindy he doesn't know where they'll end up, but Mindy is optimistic, saying at least they'll be together.

The final shot is (presumably) a primordial Earth. Mork and Mindy are facing the camera and holding hands, but their bodies are...altered. They still have their hair and their clothes, but their flesh has been transformed into either goo or ice. Their faces are gone.

I did some web-hopping to try to confirm my version, and according to the several (!) Mork & Mindy episode guides available, I got most of it right, but apparently there was, as Number Six said, another episode called "The Mork Report" which was the final one aired, but I also think it was not intended to be "the end". No mention in the guides on how the Mork vs. Joe arc (actually called "Gotta Run") ended, although one says something about cavemen.

There is a consensus, however, that Mork was able to travel through time because he had magic shoes.

Ashtar
09-02-2001, 04:46 AM
The final shot is (presumably) a primordial Earth. Mork and Mindy are facing the camera and holding hands, but their bodies are...altered. They still have their hair and their clothes, but their flesh has been transformed into either goo or ice. Their faces are gone.

-WICKED-! It makes me think of Silent Hill for some reason. Just 'cause it's creepy.

The only TV series I really followed was Married With Children. That show rocked. I was actually kinda happy with the final episode because it was so....anti-climactic. There were no big gimmicks...no changes to the core of the series and it's characters. It makes me wanna think that the story lives on. :)

My least-favorite series finale is Star Trek: TNG. And only because of the whole half-assed 'canon' explanation afterwards about how none of it was real because it was 'anti-time', or something. It basically turned me into a nitpicker of everything Star Trek has put out since the original series (which is still the best!)

-Ashley

Reeder
09-02-2001, 07:25 AM
While it wasn't the "final" show..it was a season ending one..

But we can't forget Dallas..


It was a frigging dream!


In my opinion that killed the show.

Torgo
09-02-2001, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by Tengu
Originally posted by Torgo
Blackadder Goes Forth

I've always thought the last episode (or last scene I should say) of the last installment of this terrific, insensitive, irreverent and blasphemous series was unnecessarily sentimental and maudlin. A betrayal to the true nature and attitude of the show.

Were we watching the same series?

The last episode was the perfect way to end the series.

Not only was it an echo to the 'Kill-em-all' endings of I and II (I think III skipped that and had Blackadder replace Prince George...), but it was the culmination of the 'this is all completely futile and stupid' attitude of the series.

While Baldrick's last few lines are 'sentimental and maudlin', Blackadder's final line or two, and the 'Aw, bugger it' attitude thereof broke that (and this fits the above).

What I remember is Blackadder making a few Hawkeye Piercesque "damn these insane warmongers" remarks that (for me) made the episode more of a anti-war commentary instead of something that represented the irreverent attitude of the previous episodes and incarnations of Blackadder. What about that cheesy dissolve to the battlefield as it appears today, with the birds chirping and all? What the hell was that about? I think a more appropo ending would be Blackadder arranging for Col. Melchett's and Capt. Darling's headquarters to be bombed (by British pilots of course) and then skipping out of active duty by forging himself some sort of release and taking off with a French whore. Wouldn't that have been more like it?

Kamino Neko
09-02-2001, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by Torgo
I think a more appropo ending would be Blackadder arranging for Col. Melchett's and Capt. Darling's headquarters to be bombed (by British pilots of course) and then skipping out of active duty by forging himself some sort of release and taking off with a French whore. Wouldn't that have been more like it?

Again, I have to ask, were we watching the same series?

Blackadder never wins - save for the rather silly ending of Blackadder III - and except for that ending, he never wins in BIII. (What were the writers thinking when they did that ending...?)

In I, he, and everyone else, dies (By his own machinations backfiring), paving the way for Henry Tudor to take over.

In II, he, and everyone else, dies (despite the apparently happy ending in the shot immediatly preceding the pan over the corpses), and Queen Elizabeth is replaced with a German Master-of-Disguise.

In III, as I said, the only death is Prince George, but Blackadder takes his place - save for George's final line, that episode was a major letdown.

In IV, he, and everyone else, dies because everyone above (And below - General Melchit, Captain Darling, Lt George, Pvt Baldrick) him is an idiot (a theme that runs through the whole series), and despite Blackadder's machinations, AND the apparently happy ending just before their final push.

The ending was a little maudlin, but Edmund's last lines are still, to my mind 'bugger it'. 'People are idiots, you can't fight it...let's go.'

Kamino Neko
09-02-2001, 05:21 PM
Y'know what, I think I sound a little condescending there. I don't mean to be. I need to get more sleep. :p

DPWhite
09-02-2001, 06:38 PM
It was obvious to me from very early on that Higgins was Robin Masters, and in order to further the charade, he hired actors to give a voice and face. Welles for the voice and Capote for the face. This was well in keeping with the Higgins pathological liar nature as Magnum recognized the actors by their faces and voices, Higgins was too damn grandiose to hire unknown actors. It was just like all of Higgins World War II special forces stories when he was an "officer" in pretty much every damn theater of the war (although I think he tended to favor Burma and prison camps) when he couldn't have even been old enough to have been a teenager: in the 80s he was fiftyish, which would have made him between about 10 and 15 in 1940. So in that respect I found him finally fessing up in the last episode long overdue and awaited.

Torgo
09-02-2001, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by Tengu
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Torgo
[B]In III, as I said, the only death is Prince George, but Blackadder takes his place - save for George's final line, that episode was a major letdown.

In IV, he, and everyone else, dies because everyone above (And below - General Melchit, Captain Darling, Lt George, Pvt Baldrick) him is an idiot (a theme that runs through the whole series), and despite Blackadder's machinations, AND the apparently happy ending just before their final push.

The ending was a little maudlin, but Edmund's last lines are still, to my mind 'bugger it'. 'People are idiots, you can't fight it...let's go.'

That's what I was driving at, the maudlin quality of the ending, not the inconsistency compared to the "everybody dies" themes of the previous incantations. I guess it's telling that my favorite installment was III, perhaps because it's the most slapstick and perhaps crude of the four. Who can forget Hugh Laurie thrusting out his groin and roaring? Of course that turd had to die at the end!

Kamino Neko
09-02-2001, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by Torgo
That's what I was driving at, the maudlin quality of the ending, not the inconsistency compared to the "everybody dies" themes of the previous incantations. I guess it's telling that my favorite installment was III, perhaps because it's the most slapstick and perhaps crude of the four. Who can forget Hugh Laurie thrusting out his groin and roaring? Of course that turd had to die at the end!

Personally, III is my least favourite, though, to each his own.

Yeah, George had to die at the end that's not what bothered me about the ending - it was that Baldrick and Blackadder didn't, and not only that, but that Blackadder WON - HE replaced George.

(Then again, I don't really know anything about the real George IV, so I don't know if it was a good thing for Blackadder to take his place...)

Blackadder can't win, and has no control over his fate - the former was missed by III (my current vote for the answer to the OP), but both were covered well in IV.

Otto
09-03-2001, 01:58 AM
As a long-time Peak-o-phile I have to object to the inclusion of the series finale in a list of worst-of final episodes. Any episode of a show that can continue to generate the kind of debate that this episode does among fans can't be all that bad. It's not really fair to label the show as bad because it leaves unanswered questions due to cancellation.

But for those who must Lynch-bash, may I humbly suggest the final episode of "On the Air," his short-lived ABC follow-up to Twin Peaks? I don't know which of the seven episodes was actually the "last," because ABC only aired, I think, three of them. Either way, since the only decent episodes were the pilot and the "Mister Peanut" episode, by definition the last episode had to suck.

Torgo
09-03-2001, 12:14 PM
I seem to recall The White Shadow ending on a rather horrible note. One of the basketball players was shot and killed during a liquor store holdup right after graduation. That's all folks! Thanks for watching!!

Man from Mars
09-03-2001, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by Pammipoo
As I recall, the last episode of Full House was pretty lame. I know I saw it, but I don't remember all the details. I think they all moved away to their own happy little homes.

Just the last episode?

Kaitlyn
09-03-2001, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Torgo
I seem to recall The White Shadow ending on a rather horrible note. One of the basketball players was shot and killed during a liquor store holdup right after graduation. That's all folks! Thanks for watching!!

The episode to which you refer wasn't the series finale, but IIRC, it was the second season finale. The players who survived won the city championship, then graduated. The series ended after the third season, but had no true finale. Like many shows of its time, it was cancelled during hiatus, and never had a chance for a farewell show.

tracer
09-03-2001, 06:00 PM
The Harlem Globetrotters on Gilligan's Island

Skywatcher
09-04-2001, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by SpoilerVirgin
St. Elsewhere - The whole show was always slightly off. Wacky stuff that would never happen IRL kept happening. The ending tied it all together by making it a child's imagination. I mean, how else do you explain Howie Mandel?

I'll buy that, but making everything part of that kid's imagination? Sorry, doesn't wash. Sure, he'd be aware of the goings on at the hospital via his father but not the hospital's history or the personal lives of its staff. Certainly not the deaths of the Craig's children.

As for Quantum Leap, the final episode seemed like a cop-out to me.

SpoilerVirgin
09-04-2001, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by Jeff Olsen
I'll buy that, but making everything part of that kid's imagination? Sorry, doesn't wash. Sure, he'd be aware of the goings on at the hospital via his father but not the hospital's history or the personal lives of its staff. Certainly not the deaths of the Craig's children.

It's not that the kid was aware of what was going on at the hospital, it's that he was imagining his own version of what might be happening there. The Craigs, Fiscus, Dr. Westphall, everything existed only in his imagination (Dr. Westphall, of course, being an image based on his father, who was a laborer). The idea is that we have no clear understanding of the workings of an autistic mind, and an autistic child could very well have a sophisticated fantasy life going on in his head. There were no Craigs. We don't know anything about what went on in the real St. Eligius, because all we saw was in the kid's head. I thought it made perfect sense that the entire show was a fantasy.

I do agree with you about Quantum Leap, though.

Skywatcher
09-04-2001, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by SpoilerVirgin
Originally posted by Jeff Olsen
I'll buy that, but making everything part of that kid's imagination? Sorry, doesn't wash. Sure, he'd be aware of the goings on at the hospital via his father but not the hospital's history or the personal lives of its staff. Certainly not the deaths of the Craig's children.

It's not that the kid was aware of what was going on at the hospital, it's that he was imagining his own version of what might be happening there. The Craigs, Fiscus, Dr. Westphall, everything existed only in his imagination (Dr. Westphall, of course, being an image based on his father, who was a laborer). The idea is that we have no clear understanding of the workings of an autistic mind, and an autistic child could very well have a sophisticated fantasy life going on in his head. There were no Craigs. We don't know anything about what went on in the real St. Eligius, because all we saw was in the kid's head. I thought it made perfect sense that the entire show was a fantasy.

Ah, OK. I hadn't seen the episode since it originally aired. Thanks for the explanation.

N9IWP
09-04-2001, 02:44 PM
As metioned, Blake's 7 certianly had a finality to it. Though I've heard rumors of a movie or sequel-Avon somehow lives (???).

How about The Prisoner? on a certain level I can understand series that are supposed to make you think, but I want REAL explanations and questions answered.

I thought the final Around the World in 80 Days (M. Palin travels around the world) was anticlimactic, he wasnt let into the building to complete the journey.

I personally liked the DS9 ending. the Gandalfian jump into the fire and all.

the TNG ending was rather lame. Expanding our modes of thinking with nonlinear time? Been there, done that.
(multiple meanings intended)

Brian

JohnGalt
09-05-2001, 01:27 PM
"Little House on the Prairie: The Final Farewell" (actually a TV movie shown a year later). Someone is discovered to be the legal owner of the land of Walnut Grove, so the townspeople blow up the town rather than give it to him. At least there wouldn't be any sequels in THAT town!

Kaitlyn
09-05-2001, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by N9IWP

How about The Prisoner? on a certain level I can understand series that are supposed to make you think, but I want REAL explanations and questions answered.

I don't really care for ambiguous endings, either, but neither do I like having everything spelled out for me. I like it when there is a definite answer to the puzzles, but I have to do some of the work of putting the clues together myself, as in Memento.

That said, I think there is a time for ambiguous endings. I don't want to be told at the end of Total Recall whether everything was real or a hallucination.

In the case of "The Prisoner", I don't think McGoohan himself knew what was going on. It wasn't possible to reveal what was really going on, because the people making the show didn't know themselves, so they were left with coming up with an explanation that could never satisfy all of the mysteries posed, or the answer that we have, which really isn't one.

SPOILERS FOR THE FINAL EPISODE OF THE PRISONER

My theory is that when Number 6 resigned, he was locked up, possibly drugged, by MI6 to prevent his revealing the vital information he has, and everything we see happening is an elaborate fantasy/hallucination that he uses as a psychological defense mechanism. When he sees his own face under the mask of Number 1, that is his own subconscious telling him that he did this to himself.

Or he was captured by "The Enemy" and what happens to him is an elaborate fantasy/hallucination he is employing to deal with the torture and drugs being used to extract the information, and his face on Number 1 is his subconscious.

Or he has gone insane, has no information to reveal, and the whole thing is an elaborate hallucination etc. The circumstances are really irrelevant to my theory; I think the key here is that it's all in his mind.

Of course, the very problem is that the show supports any of these explanations and others that directly contradict them almost equally. One of the strengths of movies like Memento, Open Your Eyes and Blade Runner, is that, puzzling as they may seem at first, there is a definite explanation that is supported by the clues. You just have to know where to look.

No matter how much you look at the clues in "The Prisoner", they don't support any one explanation. This is one of two things about the show that bothers me, the other being Rover, which is just stupid. Unless you accept my theory above, in which case it does make a kind of sense.

DKW
09-08-2001, 01:58 AM
This may be controversial (no, Darrell, really??), but I didn't like the ending to Xena: Warrior Princess at all. The battle with demon whatshisname was pretty anticlimactic. If this were a regular episode, it would have been pretty good, but for a finale, it was...well, flat. And unimpressive. Worse, I didn't even get how it all shook out. Xena has to stay dead because she has to help a bunch of souls? Exactly how does this work?

What really bugged me was that I hardly recognized anyone in this episode. It was in Japan, for crying out loud, and had none of the familiar supporting characters. Gabrielle is not just the only one who witnesses Xena's final moments, she's the only one who ever even knows that she's dead! No Atolycus, no Palmonius, no Pompey, none of the Amazons...not even Ares, for crying out loud.

Didn't Xena want a heroic death? How could she stand for simply fading away for the sake of the already-dead? If this is an appropriate conclusion for the world's mightiest warrior princess, I'm friggin' Julius Ceasar.

pesch
09-08-2001, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by N9IWP
I thought the final Around the World in 80 Days (M. Palin travels around the world) was anticlimactic, he wasnt let into the building to complete the journey.


Yeah, pretty crappy of the Reform Club, but you know how those club Brits are about letting the proles in.

If you read the book, you'll learn that the journey was not quite so down to the deadline as the series tries to imply. The container ship Palin was on made a stop at Le Havre before reaching England, and instead of deciding to try for a dramatic return by boat or helicopter, stayed with the ship and got liquored up over a French Sunday lunch. Now THAT'S traveling!

king of spain
09-08-2001, 04:08 PM
Several years back, there was a great cartoon based on the Sonic the Hedgehog video game. The 'toon I'm referring to aired on ABC on Saturday mornings - don't confuse it with the lame, goofy Sonic cartoon that aired on UPN or USA or whatever it was; this was much cooler.

Anyway, in the second season finale, the heroes finally manage to destroy Dr. Robotnik, the main villain. They're all off celebrating, and then we cut back to Robotropolis. Dr. Robotnik's sidekick, Snivley (?) is there, and he comes out and does a grandiose soliloquy about how now HE can take over and destroy Sonic and his friends and so forth, with the help of his new friend...and behind him, in the darkness, we can see evil red eyes and hear heavy, ominous breathing.

And over that summer, Sega and ABC had some kind of disagreement and that was the last episode ever. Man, did that ever do a number on my head as a kid...

shrew
09-08-2001, 08:57 PM
Seinfeld. Despite my distaste for the whole show after the first two seasons, the ending was even worse than the rest of the series.

LinoleumInnocence
09-08-2001, 09:07 PM
Now and Again - was just cancelled and there was no ending. We were left with a cliff hanger. Grumble

Li

Otto
09-09-2001, 11:24 AM
Didn't Xena want a heroic death? How could she stand for simply fading away for the sake of the already-dead? If this is an appropriate conclusion for the world's mightiest warrior princess, I'm friggin' Julius Ceasar.

I didn't like the last episode either, just because who needs yet another revelation from Xena's past, especially one thrown up so obciously as a "way to end the series"? But, I can see where Xena would not want people to know she died. First, many of the people you mention already think she's dead (she and Gabrielle were MIA for 25 years) and may be dead themselves. Second, Gabrielle can still trade on Xena's rep while carrying on Xena's work. You can do more with Gabrielle and the threat of Xena than you can with Gabrielle alone.

Evnglion
09-09-2001, 11:40 AM
As long as everyone here is hating the last Seinfeld, I'll go ahead and cast my vote too. I loved the begining, where they showed all the memorable scenes, but the actual episode was the worst of the series run, IMO.

Now, I must disagree with the OP here, I loved the last episode of St Elsewhere, what a creative idea...

Finagle
09-09-2001, 12:12 PM
Am I the only one to have seen the finale of Sliders? That must be the only explanation, otherwise the venomw would be knee deep.

Mahaloth
09-09-2001, 02:15 PM
M*A*S*H- I mean, come on! The war ended? That's soooo not true. :)

Cheers- I mean, come on! The bar closes for the night? Yeah, like that could happen!

Green Bean
09-09-2001, 02:18 PM
Ugh. I blocked out the last Sliders. That silicone chick whining "Remy! Remmmmmy!" :rolleyes:

And I agree, the end of Now and Again was tragic. Sci Fi will be showing the reruns. Let's hope they pick it up and keep it going, a la Sliders. Except let's hope it doesn't start to suck, a la Sliders.

BlackKnight
09-09-2001, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by king of spain
Several years back, there was a great cartoon based on the Sonic the Hedgehog video game. The 'toon I'm referring to aired on ABC on Saturday mornings - don't confuse it with the lame, goofy Sonic cartoon that aired on UPN or USA or whatever it was; this was much cooler.
I remember this! Damn that was a good cartoon. One of my favorites, and I never even played Sega games.
:)

Kaitlyn
09-09-2001, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by Finagle

Am I the only one to have seen the finale of Sliders? That must be the only explanation, otherwise the venomw would be knee deep.

According to the head writer's journal on the sci-fi channel's official web site, it was unknown whether the episode would be the season finale or the series finale, and the show was canceled afterwards. If this is true, it could at least partly explain why it seems more like a season-ending cliffhanger than a true series finale. In any case, the door is open for a movie to be a true finale. The vortex is apparently available every three days in this world (rather than every 29 years), so it would be a matter of building a new timer, which Diana and Mallory might have the ability to do between.

But there were bigger problems with the show for a while. By the time of the final, the four sliders were from four different worlds, and the "original" world was completely in Kromagg control. Trying to "find home" should have been abandoned as the main plot line long before.

LinoleumInnocence
09-09-2001, 10:25 PM
Evangelion.

I am sure I only understood a fraction of what I was supposed to. One of the most vague endings I have ever seen.

Li

Daniel Sugar
09-10-2001, 09:11 AM
I thought the ending to Quantum Leap was incredibly tragic for Sam. I understood it that "God-Al" had revealed to him that is was Sam that was causing all the Leaps and his need to right wrongs where he saw them. He was given the choice, actually always HAD the choice to go home whenever he wanted, but he chose not to, even tho he wanted it. I loved what he did for Al, that was some great tv, but didn't think Al's new history necessarily negated the Quantum Leap Project. As sad and disappointing, I thought it was still a great dramatic 'conclusion' to the show.

I loved the St. Elsewhere ending. Thru the years, the little boy had always been a background character, something to add more stories, but could never be really significant, and to find out he'd been the most significant character of all was interesting. Yes, there was no build-up to that kind of ending and one would never expect it, but I liked it just the same.

pezwookiee
09-10-2001, 05:36 PM
I thought the last episode of Homicide: Life on the Streets was pretty good, especially compared with the rest of the last season. Then the television movie Homicide: The Movie reunited EVERY CAST MEMBER FROM EVERY SEASON OF THE SHOW WHETHER THEIR CHARACTER WAS LIVING OR DEAD. How many shows can do that???

BingoBurringo
09-10-2001, 05:57 PM
The last episode of NIGHT COURT was absolutely atrocious.

Of course, the last three seasons of NIGHT COURT were absolutely atrocious.

Café Society
09-10-2001, 06:29 PM
Murphy Brown had a good one. The only problem is that it came so late that some of my favorite characters were no longer in the cast.

Also, it came when ratings were down, so nobody much cared.
But it still seem quite inventive for a tearjerker.

mordax
09-10-2001, 06:53 PM
In defense of Deep Space Nine: a lot of the threads had a good resolution:

- Odo left. Forever. After he and Kira hooked up. :) His last scene with Quark was also priceless. :)

- Keiko finally whipped Miles into leaving that blasted station. :)

- Garak was ready to commit suicide, because his people had been burnt to ash. It was one of the finest moments in all of Star Trek.

- Nog got through Starfleet Academy! Makes two sorta not-quite irritating Ferengi, in all of existence. :)

The only part I didn't care for, was the stuff with Sisko. Didn't like that Dukat became a four color comic book villain, didn't like that Sisko was somehow "half Prophet," and didn't like them turning him into a Messianic figure. That was all lame.

But overall, it was better than TNG's ending (just a regular episode). And as for Voyager's "Endgame"...it came from where the sun don't shine. :(

don't ask
09-11-2001, 12:31 AM
I'm with those who revere the last episode of Newhart.

It was the first time I could recall TV being so openly self-referential. A joke about the confusion of reality and fiction amongst viewers and a sly dig at Dallas

naughty wicked zoot
09-12-2001, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by don't ask
I'm with those who revere the last episode of Newhart.

It was the first time I could recall TV being so openly self-referential. A joke about the confusion of reality and fiction amongst viewers and a sly dig at Dallas

i suspect that that's the problem, that many people didn't get the reference to the Dallas ending. i thought it was brilliant!!! but i'm old enough to remember the ending of dallas when it was originally broadcast, so i got the reference right away.

Heath Doolin
09-12-2001, 03:40 PM
For you Black Adder fans...I cannot believe NO ONE mentioned that the devious Black Adder just came back in BLACK ADDER: BACK AND FORTH

Black Adder - Back and Forth was commissioned for the Millenium Dome in London. It was a joint venture between the BBC, Sky Television, Tiger Aspect, and the New Millenium Experience Company. It was shown at the Millenium Dome throughout the year 2000. At the end of the credits the statement appears: "Blackadder Back and Forth 2 ... Coming ... Summer 3000!"


I watched it on a PBS telethon and absolutely busted a gut. The premise goes that Lord Black Adder and Baldrick decide to warp history to their own ways by using a time machine. They hit everything from the Romans conquering the Guals to Black Adder meeting up with Shakespeare (and kicking him in the ass for every schoolboy who had to listen to his boring tripe....and for setting Kenneth Branagh loose on the public)

And it ends good for Black Adder!

And NO I WILL NOT TELL YOU HOW...only it is so evilly perfect.

Mysphyt
09-18-2001, 01:00 AM
The final shot is (presumably) a primordial Earth. Mork and Mindy are facing the camera and holding hands, but their bodies are...altered. They still have their hair and their clothes, but their flesh has been transformed into either goo or ice. Their faces are gone.
[/B]

Well, there go my chances at sleeping well tonight. There's something inexplicably, inexpressably disturbing about this. Anybody find any further info yet?

middleman
09-18-2001, 09:13 AM
No one rolled their eyes at the Family Ties Curtain Call ending? Though in Michael J Fox's "last" episode of Spin City, he makes a great Alex Keaton reference.

What about the Cosby Show couple dancing out the fourth wall?

What about Benson where Benson and the Gov. are running against each other? It was a cliffhanger they were SUPPOSED to answer the next season, but they got the ax.

Night Court was bad.

Seinfeld was bad excpet for the button discussion. And yes, I do think of seinfeld everytime I hear that song.

Quantum Leap last episode was hit or miss, apparently. It was a hit with me. I also thought they were trying to set it up in case they wanted to do a tv movie or motion picture. Never happened. Maybe with what's his name at the helm of the enterprise, they can spark enough interest to film a QL reunion movie.

Magnum was a disappointment. Shoulda ended with him dying. (Note: I once saw an episode of Magnum being filmed when I was in Hawaii. The Jack the Ripper type episode. I was this show came on somewhere.)

Newhart, to me, is the quintessential show that everyone says when they discuss a great ending to the series.

(I love threads that cause me to jot down a few notes on a scratch pad.)

KneadToKnow
09-18-2001, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by watsonwil
Quantum Leap last episode was hit or miss, apparently. It was a hit with me. I also thought they were trying to set it up in case they wanted to do a tv movie or motion picture. Never happened. Maybe with what's his name at the helm of the enterprise, they can spark enough interest to film a QL reunion movie.
I'm starting a pool on how many episodes it takes before they have Dean Stockwell on as a guest star. 20, 22, 26, and 100 are spoken for. :)

middleman
09-18-2001, 10:46 AM
Or the first episode that deals with time travel?

Balance
09-18-2001, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by Finagle
Am I the only one to have seen the finale of Sliders? That must be the only explanation, otherwise the venomw would be knee deep.
Given the vituperative insults I've heard directed at it, I'm glad I stopped watching after John Rhy-Davies left. With his character gone, the show began to deteriorate.

How about "Brimstone"--it wasn't actually bad, but it's a painful reminder of the wasted potential of the show. It wasn't a finale, since the show was (completely unjustifiably) canned after about 13 episodes, but "Mourning After" left things agonizingly up in the air--
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Stone's widow gets a clue that he's back, Ash (the primary antagonist) is bitterly jealous of the widow and still on the loose, and Stone knows that the Devil can be hurt the same as the other damned souls. I would have gladly sat through another hundred episodes to watch the final confrontations between Stone, Ash, and the Devil. I suspect that it would have played out with the Devil claiming that Stone himself is the 113th soul that must be banished to fulfill their deal. Stone, of course, would find a way to banish the Devil instead, earning his second chance at life. I can dream, anyway.

susan_foster
10-30-2001, 03:27 PM
Way late to this topic - I have to throw in La Femme Nikita - the first time they ended the series. USA announced they were ending the series - things had slowed down a bit, so I wasn't too disappointed. Then - the finale screws everything up. Let's see - Madeline dies, Birkoff died a few episodes ago (hey - he has a twin, so everything is alright! Yeeks), everything between Michael and Nikita was a lie - just an all around episode that basically said - "Hey - remember those characters that you loved? Not anymore!" . Bleah. Then USA had to go back and run a fifth season because people were so PO'd. I never even watched all the episodes in this season - maybe at the end they got good, but I doubt it. Let's see - out of the regular characters, there was no one episode where they were all there. Bring back O'Brien from first season - and then kill him off rather quickly. I'm Mr. Jones! No, I'm Mr. Jones! Bleck.

Susan

Ceejaytee
10-30-2001, 04:04 PM
I agree with the kudos for the endings to St. Elsewhere, Quantum Leap, and Newhart.

The ending of Deep Space Nine was terrible. The last season was pretty good for the most part, but the Sisko/Dukat/Winn story line sucked. Ezri was pretty lousy too. The highlights were the Cardassian resistance, Odo, and Worf singlehandedly saving the Klingon Empire. But the Sisko thing had been built up all that time and it was pathetic.

Also, Season Five of Babylon 5 sucked. There was so much they could have done that year, especially when they were so afraid it would be cancelled in Season Four and they would never finish. So they waste half a season with the teeps (Byron the boring), they leave dozens of storylines unfinished (how does G'Kar end up back with Londo? what happened in the telepath wars? when does Bester get his?), and the last episode was mostly boring and only slightly touching. The last episode of Season 4 (Deconstruction of Falling [Fallen?] Stars) was so much better.

The last episode of M*A*S*H was too long, but mostly effective.

infinitii
10-30-2001, 11:21 PM
about that mork and mindy thing...

i recalled being quite confused about the very ending of that three ep arc at, and also had assumed it was the last episode. what i was able to determine about the end was that, indeed, they were still going back in time and didn't know where they would end up, but it seemed to me that the last scene wasn't them, it was a cave drawing made by the prehistoric people they had come in contact with in one of the episodes of the last three arc. they didn't have faces, but it was just a painting, not actually them. does this make sense to anyone?

Skywatcher
10-31-2001, 07:18 AM
Yeah, it was a bit long, but it probably wasn't planned to be that way. That forest fire took 'em by surprise.

Mars Horizon
10-31-2001, 09:23 AM
Ceejaytee~

I will agree that B5's Season 5 was (mostly) less than thrilling. But the answers to your questions can be found in the three book trilogies (a trilogy of trilogies?) covering Bester's life, the Centauri, and the Technomages.

I have read all of them*, and they explain things rather nicely.





*Actually the technomage trilogy is only 2/3 complete. The last book should be out next year.

SteverinoAlaReno
10-31-2001, 11:57 AM
I actually loved the last episode of Quantum Leap.

My nominee for worst final episode: M*A*S*H. What a crock! Hawkeye goes nuts from guilt because a woman suffocated her baby to keep it from crying when they feared they'd be discovered by the enemy. I'd seen that plot device in a WWII movie (the name of which I can't recall), and it was done much better; M*A*S*H's version of it was cheap tugs at the emotional strings. And Charles vows never to listen to music again because a band got shot. And Klinger gets married and decides to stay in Korea a little longer. The show had been sinking rapidly after Larry Gelbart's departure, and the final episode was just awful.

Ceejaytee
10-31-2001, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by Mars Horizon
But the answers to your questions can be found in the three book trilogies (a trilogy of trilogies?) covering Bester's life, the Centauri, and the Technomages.

Ah, Mars Horizon, you have fallen into my trap! JMS said in countless interviews that B5 was supposed to be self-contained and it wasn't any "deep space franchise" and then tells me that I'm supposed to go and read nine books to get the answers to all my questions? That doesn't wash, my friend. He should never have hammered home that fact that B5 had a 5-season arc if he wasn't going to finish it. He wasted all the movies (except for "In the Beginning" and the Crusade pilot) and season 5. He could have answered the questions then, even though he wouldn't have been able to do so in as much detail as in 9 books, and I would have been satisfied.

B5 is most definitely "another deep space franchise" and it was such a good show that I am very disappointed in the ending.

Oblong
10-31-2001, 03:09 PM
i suspect that that's the problem, that many people didn't get the reference to the Dallas ending. i thought it was brilliant!!! but i'm old enough to remember the ending of dallas when it was originally broadcast, so i got the reference right away

I didn't see the Newhart episode. As a Dallas fan, what was the reference?

grayhairedmomma
10-31-2001, 03:24 PM
The thing that bothers me about Quantum Leap's ending is this:

If Sam fixes it so Al is reunited with his wife and all that and as a result the Project never happens - then how does Sam go back in time to fix everything?

Mars Horizon
10-31-2001, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by Ceejaytee
Ah, Mars Horizon, you have fallen into my trap![Action-movie-hero voice]

Ceejaytee, you fiendish villian! You won't get away with this! The forces of good will put a stop to your nefarious plot!

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Point conceded re: deep-space franchise.

But I still loved the books. :)

jab1
10-31-2001, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by tracer
The Harlem Globetrotters on Gilligan's Island In order for the last episode to be considered "bad", there have to have been some GOOD episodes. There were no "good" episodes of Gilligan's Island.

And I watched every episode to make sure.... :D

jab1
10-31-2001, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by Oblong
I didn't see the Newhart episode. As a Dallas fan, what was the reference? According to the final episode, the entire Newhart series was all just a dream by Dr. Hartley, referring to the infamous "Bobby isn't really dead, it was all just a dream by his wife" episode.

For that matter, what about the final episode of Dallas, which was yet another rip-off of It's a Wonderful Life? Parts of it were funny (Cliff would have been President had J.R. not existed), but it was mostly lame.

DPWhite
10-31-2001, 05:49 PM
I want a second vote, and it is: Twin Peaks. For a show that was so wholly weird, the ending where the demon possesses Agent Cooper leaves you wondering, since Cooper was the only person who really understood and had motive to chase the demon, what did the future hold? Cooper chasing his own tail. Yawn.

Oblong
11-01-2001, 07:56 AM
According to the final episode, the entire Newhart series was all just a dream by Dr. Hartley, referring to the infamous "Bobby isn't really dead, it was all just a dream by his wife" episode.

For that matter, what about the final episode of Dallas, which was yet another rip-off of It's a Wonderful Life? Parts of it were funny (Cliff would have been President had J.R. not existed), but it was mostly lame.

Ok, I knew about the dream in Newhart but I thought someone said the reference was to Dallas' final show.

Regarding Dallas, the funny thing about Cliff being Veep and becoming President was that the episode aired within a week of Bush having some spell where Dan Quayle almost took over for a bit.