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thanatic
03-07-2013, 01:23 AM
Abdesselam Jelloul is the man with highest IQ score in the world. He scored 198 in IQ test held in 2012. He holds the record to have highest score in Advance IQ test. The test included 13 different dimensions of intelligence including analytical, linguistics, spiritual, philosophical and 9 others.


Abdesselam Jelloul sounds like he could be a black man.........

yorick73
03-07-2013, 01:44 AM
Sounds middle eastern to me...not to be racist :)

Peremensoe
03-07-2013, 02:25 AM
It's an Arabic name. It could belong to a 'black' guy, say from Eritrea or Somalia.

thanatic
03-07-2013, 02:29 AM
It's an Arabic name. It could belong to a 'black' guy, say from Eritrea or Somalia.

whats more likely, hes from morocco? or something liek that

Peremensoe
03-07-2013, 02:35 AM
There do seem to be a bunch of Jellouls around Morocco.

thanatic
03-07-2013, 03:29 AM
what are the chances of him being black

Zebra
03-07-2013, 04:14 AM
spiritual intelligence?

Steophan
03-07-2013, 05:55 AM
IQ can't be measured anywhere near as high as 198, so someone's fallen for a scam. Which doesn't demonstrate particularly high intelligence, regardless of melanin content.

Wendell Wagner
03-07-2013, 05:56 AM
Where does this claim about someone's I.Q. come from? Here are three websites I've found which make this claim:

http://www.top10facts.com/2012/12/top-10-people-with-highest-iq-recorded/

http://mostextreme.org/smartest_person.php

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-930711

And these are the most coherent of the websites I've found which mention this, and one of them says explicitly that the score isn't reliable. Who is this guy and where does he live? Who gave him the I.Q. test? Why should we think the people who tested him know what they're doing?

A good rule of thumb is that any claim of an I.Q. over 160 is probably nonsense. Ordinary I.Q. tests can't measure any higher than that. There are some odd tests that claim to be able to measure higher I.Q.'s, but their usefulness is disputed.

DrFidelius
03-07-2013, 06:09 AM
Oh, thanatic, it's not that anyone here cares that a man who isn't melanin deprived may be smart, it is that none of us are impressed by outrageously high IQ test scores.

Virgil Tibbs
03-07-2013, 06:40 AM
Bizarre OP. And what is "spiritual intelligence"?

GoodOmens
03-07-2013, 06:47 AM
Bizarre OP. And what is "spiritual intelligence"?

I think Dr. Strange has that.

It's probably obvious, but the OP's first paragraph is directly lifted from at least 2 Web sites.

Pitchmeister
03-07-2013, 07:35 AM
I don't mean to give racists any arguments, but here's another problem: just because the smartest (most intelligent, whatever) man in the world is black doesn't mean anything for black people in general. If you were to claim (and you would be very, very wrong) that black people are less intelligent than white people, a single outlier one way or another does not disprove that argument.

Thudlow Boink
03-07-2013, 11:06 AM
I thought the smartest man in the world looked like this (http://www.nouilles.info/sdpix/31.html).

bup
03-07-2013, 11:15 AM
There is one person named Abdesselam Jelloul in the United States (http://www.whitepages.com/name/Abdesselam-Jelloul), and he lives in San Antonio, Texas.

Note, people, this is the White Pages!

Czarcasm
03-07-2013, 11:22 AM
Abdesselam Jelloul is the man with highest IQ score in the world. He scored 198 in IQ test held in 2012. He holds the record to have highest score in Advance IQ test. The test included 13 different dimensions of intelligence including analytical, linguistics, spiritual, philosophical and 9 others.


Abdesselam Jelloul sounds like he could be a black man.........Cite, please.

Ludovic
03-07-2013, 11:26 AM
Actually it sounds more Southeast Asian.

It must be 'nam, cause Jelloul don't shake like that.

Marley23
03-07-2013, 11:30 AM
IQ can't be measured anywhere near as high as 198, so someone's fallen for a scam.
Or someone made up an IQ test that may not mean anything. They're called Advance IQ and my assumption is that they're full of shit.

Smeghead
03-07-2013, 11:34 AM
Well, I for one think that the whole "racism" thing has finally been defeated, once and for all. I look forward to our brave new future, free of prejudice and full of harmony for all mankind.

Except the fucking Dutch.

thanatic
03-07-2013, 11:49 AM
so do you guys call BS on this test...

Czarcasm
03-07-2013, 11:53 AM
so do you guys call BS on this test...What is the name of this test he supposedly took?

Siam Sam
03-07-2013, 11:57 AM
Actually it sounds more Southeast Asian.

It must be 'nam, cause Jelloul don't shake like that.

:confused:

Have I been whooshed? And no way that sounds Vietnamese.

Sampiro
03-07-2013, 11:58 AM
Whatever his melanin or asterisk free IQ score, does this mean Marilyn Vos Savant loses her column?

Please say yes, please say yes, please say yes!!!

DrFidelius
03-07-2013, 12:02 PM
so do you guys call BS on this test...

We do not have enough information on this specific test to have an opinion on its utility, but our first impression is that it is bogus and/or useless.

Siam Sam
03-07-2013, 12:09 PM
Googling the guy's name, all I get are questionable websites. Nothing in, say, Wikipedia.

Czarcasm
03-07-2013, 12:11 PM
I'm beginning to think "Abdesselam Jelloul" is nothing more than a name that I.Q. company made up to promote their tests. There is no Wiki cite for him, no personal information, nothing in Google images-nothing but a bunch of sites parrotting the same "13 dimensions of intelligence" bull.

Marley23
03-07-2013, 12:16 PM
What is the name of this test he supposedly took?
Advance IQ test, I think. And if a test that measures attributes including philosophical, moral, spiritual, and naturalist intelligence sounds like a gigantic bunch of baloney to you... congratulations. I think the OP copy and pasted the "highest IQ score in the world" text from some other side promoting this company or its test and is speculating about the identity of the guy the company says got the highest score.

kayaker
03-07-2013, 12:22 PM
:confused:

Have I been whooshed? And no way that sounds Vietnamese.

Twas a joke.... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Must_Be_Jelly_%28%27Cause_Jam_Don%27t_Shake_Like_That%29):p

Siam Sam
03-07-2013, 12:42 PM
D'oh! :smack:

Obviously, I'm not Abdesselam Jelloul.

phouka
03-07-2013, 12:46 PM
So, if the local Mensa chapter booked one of those hotel conference rooms for their latest meeting, and so many people showed up that the fire marshal said 'no more', but then Abdesselam arrived, what method would they use to select the member to be expelled so they can let the new Smartest Man in the World in?

After all, there's always room for Jelloul.

Little Nemo
03-07-2013, 12:48 PM
D'oh! :smack:

Obviously, I'm not Abdesselam Jelloul.Don't feel bad, Sam, linguistics is only one of the thirteen dimensions of intelligence.

Siam Sam
03-07-2013, 12:51 PM
Dunno about any thirteen dimensions of intelligence, but I do know I'm good at the five-point palm exploding heart technique.

FoieGrasIsEvil
03-07-2013, 01:14 PM
Sounds middle eastern to me...not to be racist :)

Some of your best friends are Middle Eastern?

Slithy Tove
03-07-2013, 01:16 PM
Abdesselam Jelloul is the man with highest IQ score in the world. He scored 198 in IQ test held in 2012. He holds the record to have highest score in Advance IQ test. The test included 13 different dimensions of intelligence including analytical, linguistics, spiritual, philosophical and 9 others.


Abdesselam Jelloul sounds like he could be a black man.........

This is scientifically impossible. You see, a high-functioning intelligence requires a larger blood flow to the brain. And of course, this excludes Negroes, because so much of their blood volume is taken up supplying it to their larger penises. Plus, their ancestors developed skills throwing bananas at each other and not building shelter from the cold, so they excell at sports, not problem-solving.

(we tend towards the Left on this board, so, "to each according to his needs," this post was our contribution for your need for a racist response. Sorry if it seems perfunctory, but that's Socialism for you)

Old Red
03-07-2013, 01:39 PM
Today, 01:23 AM

thanatic, your statement is worthless.

As Wendell Wagner says above, who is this guy and where does he live? Who gave him the I.Q. test? Why should we think the people who tested him know what they're doing?

Evidence thanatic, evidence, evidence, evidence.

Kenm
03-07-2013, 02:01 PM
If Abdesselam Jelloul is the smartest person in the world, who designed the IQ test?

Claverhouse
03-07-2013, 02:12 PM
Congratulations to Abdesselam: all those of his race must be very proud to be so superior.

lieu
03-07-2013, 02:16 PM
Abdesselam Jelloul has never been in my kitchen.

The Other Waldo Pepper
03-07-2013, 02:23 PM
If Abdesselam Jelloul is the smartest person in the world, who designed the IQ test?

Says here it was designed by a guy named "Abdesselam Jelloul."

Vinyl Turnip
03-07-2013, 02:33 PM
I'm beginning to think "Abdesselam Jelloul" is nothing more than a name that I.Q. company made up to promote their tests. There is no Wiki cite for him, no personal information, nothing in Google images-nothing but a bunch of sites parrotting the same "13 dimensions of intelligence" bull.

Yeah, and it just happens to be an anagram for "saleable mud Jellos."

Blaster Master
03-07-2013, 02:36 PM
My first response to this is: Who cares? Even if we assume that the claim is accurate, which as others have pointed out doesn't seem likely, what is it supposed to prove? I'm assuming this is an attack on those who claim that blacks are less intelligent than other races, but pointing out a single extreme example doesn't tell us anything useful about the population as a whole.

Also, assuming the 198 IQ is using the typical 15 points per standard deviation, that's roughly 6.5 standard deviations above the mean. That's going to be ridiculously close to zero and, as a result, almost impossible to measure with any sort of reasonable accuracy.

Smeghead
03-07-2013, 03:37 PM
So, let's sum up:
-We have no idea if the report is true - if this guy exists, if he took this IQ test, or if he scored a 198.
-If it IS true, it's highly doubtful that the IQ test is meaningful, or that a score of 198 is technically possible on that test.
-If he DID score a 198 on this test, we don't actually know that he's black, or Middle Eastern, or whatever. Basically, we're assuming he's one of the foreign-type colors, because he has a funny-sounding name.
-If he truly IS a genius of your favorite oppressed racial group, that doesn't really mean anything, because one individual tells us exactly nothing about what your favorite oppressed racial group as a whole is like.
-Even if this DID mean that your favorite oppressed racial group is way smarter than the rest of us, that wouldn't actually matter to racists, because they've never been interested in facts.

Does that about cover it?

Great thread, thanatic.

enalzi
03-07-2013, 03:44 PM
So, let's sum up:
-We have no idea if the report is true - if this guy exists, if he took this IQ test, or if he scored a 198.
-If it IS true, it's highly doubtful that the IQ test is meaningful, or that a score of 198 is technically possible on that test.
-If he DID score a 198 on this test, we don't actually know that he's black, or Middle Eastern, or whatever. Basically, we're assuming he's one of the foreign-type colors, because he has a funny-sounding name.
-If he truly IS a genius of your favorite oppressed racial group, that doesn't really mean anything, because one individual tells us exactly nothing about what your favorite oppressed racial group as a whole is like.
-Even if this DID mean that your favorite oppressed racial group is way smarter than the rest of us, that wouldn't actually matter to racists, because they've never been interested in facts.

Does that about cover it?

Great thread, thanatic.

Don't forget:
-Jello Puns

thanatic
03-07-2013, 03:52 PM
you guys think this whole thing is BS.... is 198 really unreliable score?

DrFidelius
03-07-2013, 04:31 PM
you guys think this whole thing is BS.... is 198 really unreliable score?

Yes. On any standard intelligence test. It would be like scoring a 2.

Of course, anyone can set up an arbitrary scale for their own tests which goes up to whatever they want, but that is exactly like asking just how much louder it is if you just had special knobs made which go up to 11.

kayaker
03-07-2013, 04:31 PM
Last time I took an IQ test, I broke the fuckin test. So there.

bup
03-07-2013, 04:35 PM
Last time I took an IQ test, I broke the fuckin test. So there.Kayaker doesn't sound like a white name to me. Racism is defeated!

Wait - is 'kayaker' one of them 'Palin' names?

PSXer
03-07-2013, 04:38 PM
He's just one of the good ones. I am going to continue to be racist against his people until the rest of them get good test scores too

thanatic
03-07-2013, 04:50 PM
we dont even know if this guy is black though

Czarcasm
03-07-2013, 04:51 PM
we dont even know if this guy is black though
We don't even know if this guy even exists.

edited to add: Would it be too much trouble for you to capitalize the beginning of the sentence and end it with a period?

Telemark
03-07-2013, 05:05 PM
we dont even know if this guy is black though
But at least we know nothing about the alleged test.

enalzi
03-07-2013, 05:05 PM
we dont even know if this guy is black though

You're right. He could be white! That'll show those racists.

Guinastasia
03-07-2013, 05:30 PM
Maybe he'll have a son named Oran.

kayaker
03-07-2013, 06:33 PM
Kayaker doesn't sound like a white name to me. Racism is defeated!

Wait - is 'kayaker' one of them 'Palin' names?

I'm kinda pink.

Askance
03-07-2013, 07:42 PM
Kayaker doesn't sound like a white name to me. Racism is defeated!

Wait - is 'kayaker' one of them 'Palin' names?
From what I understand 'kayak' is a Palin drone - draw your own conclusions!

Siam Sam
03-07-2013, 10:22 PM
The OP has asked what we think. But what does he think? He hasn't really said if he believes this, just keeps giving us info.

Asympotically fat
03-07-2013, 10:41 PM
I thought: "finally a thread where racists can come and discuss their socially-unacceptable views!", but no just another dig at the much-maligned racists.

Siam Sam
03-07-2013, 10:58 PM
I thought: "finally a thread where racists can come and discuss their socially-unacceptable views!", but no just another dig at the much-maligned racists.

You sounded ... taller ... on the Internet.

Wendell Wagner
03-07-2013, 11:06 PM
I just checked the following chart to see if it's even possible for someone to have an I.Q. of 198:

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/iqtable.aspx

As you can see, there are two different ways of reporting an I.Q. score if you use the standard deviation definition of I.Q. If you use the method of letting 15 points be one standard deviation, then someone with an I.Q. of 198 is someone who is the smartest person in a group of 30,938,221,975. Since there are only around 7 billion in the world at the moment, it's not possible to say that anyone has such an I.Q. by comparing them with everyone in the world. The most you could say, if you examine the chart, is that they have an I.Q. of 195, and then they would have to be the smartest person in the world. It's estimated that there have been about 100 billion people in the entire history of the world. So an I.Q. of 198 means that they are one of the three or four smartest people in the history of the world.

If you use the method of letting 16 points be one standard deviation, then someone with an I.Q. of 198 is the smartest person among 2,196,908,409
people, so they would be among the smartest three or four people presently living. In any case, this is all likely to be utter nonsense. We don't even know if Abdesselam Jelloul ever took any I.Q. test, let alone what he scored on it.

Asympotically fat
03-07-2013, 11:09 PM
We don't even know if Abdesselam Jelloul ever took any I.Q. test, let alone what he scored on it.

He did, I saw him.

Asympotically fat
03-07-2013, 11:12 PM
It only had one question, which was: are you one of the three or four smartest people in the history of the World?

Isamu
03-08-2013, 01:30 AM
It only had one question, which was: are you one of the three or four smartest people in the history of the World?

And he answered "no", but he got it wrong.

The Other Waldo Pepper
03-08-2013, 09:19 AM
As you can see, there are two different ways of reporting an I.Q. score if you use the standard deviation definition of I.Q. If you use the method of letting 15 points be one standard deviation

Anybody else remember the old "mental age divided by chronological age x 100" definition? So a normal kid of ten scores a 100; a gifted ten-year-old who could skip a few grades to pass tests like a regular fifteen-year-old, 150; and little Abdesselam Jelloul, a hypothetical ten-year-old who can handle coursework like an average college student of twenty or so, would be a solid 198...

Smeghead
03-08-2013, 09:21 AM
And for that matter, why are we just ASSUMING that good ol' Abdesselam is a male, you damn sexists??!

Wendell Wagner
03-08-2013, 10:32 AM
Because the OP called him a man.

Smeghead
03-08-2013, 01:29 PM
Because the OP called him a man.

Well, the OP also claimed he exists, and is probably black.

thanatic
03-08-2013, 03:48 PM
who knows if hes black

DrFidelius
03-08-2013, 04:16 PM
who knows if hes black

Then what, and I say this with no conscious racist intentions whatsoever, was the fucking point of your OP?

Telemark
03-08-2013, 04:19 PM
who knows if hes black
We haven't gotten to the point where we have a solid claim that he exists; why worry about his melatonin levels?

Smeghead
03-08-2013, 07:10 PM
Melanin.

SenorBeef
03-08-2013, 07:24 PM
What race is the OP? I'm going to start hating it.

Derleth
03-08-2013, 08:53 PM
We haven't gotten to the point where we have a solid claim that he exists; why worry about his melatonin levels?Are we claiming he has problems sleeping now?

Siam Sam
03-08-2013, 09:07 PM
We haven't gotten to the point where we have a solid claim that he exists; why worry about his melatonin levels?

Maybe he's a dark shadow?

Ethilrist
03-08-2013, 09:18 PM
So, it's like Schroedinger's Racism.

Smeghead
03-08-2013, 11:33 PM
So, it's like Schroedinger's Racism.

Or maybe it isn't.

george_claussen
08-24-2013, 06:27 PM
No doubt he has Arabic Moeslem name
Abdesselam Jelloul should be in Islamic world Abdussalam Jalal
Like someone name Mohammed Jelloul should be Muhammad Jalal

Smeghead
08-24-2013, 07:20 PM
Thanks so much for that.

nearwildheaven
08-24-2013, 07:39 PM
This is scientifically impossible. You see, a high-functioning intelligence requires a larger blood flow to the brain. And of course, this excludes Negroes, because so much of their blood volume is taken up supplying it to their larger penises. Plus, their ancestors developed skills throwing bananas at each other and not building shelter from the cold, so they excell at sports, not problem-solving.

(we tend towards the Left on this board, so, "to each according to his needs," this post was our contribution for your need for a racist response. Sorry if it seems perfunctory, but that's Socialism for you)

What if the smartest person on earth turned out to be female?

:D

Ethilrist
08-24-2013, 07:40 PM
So, he's a black muslim zombie?

I think I've played that game...

Slithy Tove
08-24-2013, 07:49 PM
An impossibility. It is a scientific fact that women think with their ovaries. Ergo, they flush higher thoughts after only one month's development.

Here is a PSA you should find instructive (http://youtu.be/LS37SNYjg8w)

Jackmannii
08-24-2013, 08:18 PM
Actually, "Jelloul" was what the demon said to Sigourney Weaver when she opened her refrigerator door in Ghostbusters.

Ethilrist
08-24-2013, 08:35 PM
Actually, "Jelloul" was what the demon said to Sigourney Weaver when she opened her refrigerator door in Ghostbusters.

That'd explain all the junk food.

JBDivmstr
08-24-2013, 11:42 PM
what are the chances of him being black

Since this zombie has already been brought back, I'll go ahead and add...

What are the chances that the OP will ever learn to use capitalization or punctuation? :rolleyes:

Little Nemo
08-24-2013, 11:48 PM
What are the chances that the OP will ever learn to use capitalization or punctuation?Hard to say without knowing what race he is.

JBDivmstr
08-25-2013, 12:41 AM
Hard to say without knowing what race he is.

<golf clap> :cool:

Uncle Brother Walker
08-25-2013, 03:51 AM
There is one person named Abdesselam Jelloul in the United States (http://www.whitepages.com/name/Abdesselam-Jelloul), and he lives in San Antonio, Texas.

Note, people, this is the White Pages!

DAMN! You've found me!

But you'll never take me alive!

the_diego
08-27-2013, 02:40 AM
Assuming he's not "pure white", and that the test results are acceptable, it doesn't mean anything. A single 'blip' outlier does not make the entire population anything you want it to be.

bashprompt
01-31-2015, 07:29 PM
I don't mean to give racists any arguments, but here's another problem: just because the smartest (most intelligent, whatever) man in the world is black doesn't mean anything for black people in general. If you were to claim (and you would be very, very wrong) that black people are less intelligent than white people, a single outlier one way or another does not disprove that argument.

That's not correct. Genetics and IQ appear to be directly correlated. One can have two parents of impaired IQ who will have offspring with impaired IQ to the umpteenth generation with no reprieve.

I personally feel this is one great hurdle when dealing with 'the Africa problem,' that thing no one likes to think about, you know, 1/3rd of the worlds population living in prehistoric conditions, starving, and dying of preventable illness, a child every three seconds as I write this, while we are comfortable and will survive to 5 times their mortality rate's average age.

IQ does not dictate ones potential as a person, let me make that abundantly clear. However it is a key element in one's education, and education dictates one's potential in this world. Lower and higher IQ ranges require an entirely different system of education be employed. The genetic average IQ in continental Africa is on a level which, in 'western' countries would be deemed a 'significant impairment' and in most socialist nations would warrant a government appointed guardian and full time care with estimates ranging from 55 to 75 with an average of 65 from a half dozen peer reviewed sources I found for a paper in the past I wrote on the subject.

There are hot debates (unfortunately mostly polluted with lay opinions and bigotry) on the subject of whether it is acceptable or not to even include this subject on Wikipedia, where over the years the article has been slanted with POV to the point that the article reads contrary to the science on the issue.

How does IQ tie into human suffering? If you are throwing money at a problem, instead of education catered to the individual or community, you will get nowhere. Whereas a holistic approach educating and aiding such a large segment of our society is unarguably key to relieve poverty, famine, and human suffering as a whole. One would be right to argue as long as we pretend that genetics doesn't define us, and that intelligence isn't genetic, the longer we fail to address the problem of education, and education really is the integral element that will stop significant suffering and unnecessary death.

So basically due to the sensitivity of a segment of society, most notably white people on the other side of the world, brown people are given a death sentence of flawed intervention programs to try and aid the nation states in Africa which are on the razors edge because it offends people utterly unrelated to the problem and the people suffering are thereby robbed of a potential solution.

You also have to put it in context though. 50% of the worlds population have an IQ below 98 (now). Given that education is very much geared towards an expectation of a certain intelligence level that makes education inaccessible to a large number of people as much as poverty does. Lack of education is correlated to high birth rates and high (but not proportional) death rates. So the net growth of people who are uneducated is significant, and the poverty, famine, and suffering on areas with already overloaded infrastructure is also significant and worsening.

Basically we have a huge portion of our global population on a downward spiral of self destruction in an era where another portion of our population live in excesses unimaginable even 50 years ago, and we refuse to do anything about it because to truly attempt to help means accepting something we find uncomfortable. And every three seconds, another child dies.

Velocity
01-31-2015, 07:33 PM
Abdesselam Jelloul is the man with highest IQ score in the world. He scored 198 in IQ test held in 2012. He holds the record to have highest score in Advance IQ test. The test included 13 different dimensions of intelligence including analytical, linguistics, spiritual, philosophical and 9 others.


Abdesselam Jelloul sounds like he could be a black man.........

If the man with the highest IQ in the world were white, what would that say about white people?


If the man with the highest IQ in the world were Asian, what would that say about Asian people?


If the man with the highest IQ in the world were Arab, what would that say about Arab people?


My point is, a 1-person statistical sample size is just that; a 1-person statistical sample.

Stringbean
01-31-2015, 08:32 PM
Sorry, OP, but I shall remain a racist for the time being.

usedtobe
01-31-2015, 09:02 PM
Is this person an adult?

If so, two problems:

Historically, it has been meaningless to attempt to test an adult.
It is also impossible to extrapolate much above about 160.

It's a nice discussion point - kinda like "peak oil".

jsgoddess
01-31-2015, 09:10 PM
So basically due to the sensitivity of a segment of society, most notably white people on the other side of the world, brown people are given a death sentence of flawed intervention programs to try and aid the nation states in Africa which are on the razors edge because it offends people utterly unrelated to the problem and the people suffering are thereby robbed of a potential solution.

We have to label the village retarded in order to save it.

Lamia
01-31-2015, 09:16 PM
Here's a one question IQ test: How old is this thread?
One year, 10 months, and 24 days. It was started in March of 2013 and has been resurrected twice for no good reason.

usedtobe
01-31-2015, 09:38 PM
Your point is:
ummmm, what is[/ your point?

Lamia
01-31-2015, 10:56 PM
Your point is:
ummmm, what is[/ your point?That this is a zombie thread, and there's a good chance the OP has forgotten all about it in the nearly two years since he originally started it. The thread title seems likely to attract a lot of attention, and since no one else so far seems to have realized it's a zombie I thought people might appreciate a little warning before they wasted their time responding.

Sorry for not going for a more traditional "brains" joke, but that seemed too obvious.

Smeghead
02-01-2015, 08:27 AM
That's not correct. Genetics and IQ appear to be directly correlated. One can have two parents of impaired IQ who will have offspring with impaired IQ to the umpteenth generation with no reprieve.

...



(rest of word salad snipped)

Translation and summary: "Hi! I'm the latest in the long, long unending string of so-called "scientific" racists here to convince you all that black people are born stupid and are our genetic inferiors! Thanks for providing me a welcoming home!"

Wesley Clark
02-01-2015, 08:56 AM
http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

The study also found that the average IQ for African Americans was
lower than those for Latino, White, Asian, and Jewish Americans (85, 89, 103,
106, and 113, respectively; Herrnstein & Murray, 1994, pp. 273–278).

Currently, the 1.1 standard deviation difference in average IQ between Blacks
and Whites in the United States is not in itself a matter of empirical dispute. A
meta-analytic review by Roth, Bevier, Bobko, Switzer, and Tyler (2001) showed
it also holds for college and university application tests such as the Scholastic
Aptitude Test (SAT; N 2.4 million) and the Graduate Record Examination
(GRE; N 2.3 million), as well as for tests for job applicants in corporate settings
(N 0.5 million) and in the military (N 0.4 million). Because test scores are
the best predictor of economic success in Western society (Schmidt & Hunter,
1998), these group differences have important societal outcomes (R. A. Gordon,
1997; Gottfredson, 1997).

I love this board.

There is a theory that a big part of the black-white gap could be due to lead exposure. Improvements in that lower the difference.

http://www.brookings.edu/views/papers/dickens/20060619_iq.pdf

We analyze data from nine standardization samples for four major tests of
cognitive ability. These suggest that blacks have gained 5 or 6 IQ points on non-Hispanic
whites between 1972 and 2002. Gains have been fairly uniform across the entire range
of black cognitive ability...............Blacks gained on whites even though whites made their own gains. From 1972 to
2002, 12 cases in which the same subjects took both a later and earlier version of a
Wechsler or Stanford-Binet IQ test show an average gain for all Americans of 0.311
points per year (Flynn & Weiss, under review). If both blacks and Hispanics (see
Appendix A) have been gaining at a faster rate, the rate of gain for non-Hispanic whites
(about 75% of the population) would be approximately 0.265. Therefore, the rate of gain
for blacks has been about 0.45 points per year (0.265 + 0.184).

iiandyiiii
02-01-2015, 09:04 AM
Uggh. In case anyone is unfamiliar with the bevy of threads on this topic (often promoted by a small number of posters who advocate that yes, black people really are inherently inferior in intellectual ability due to genetics, on average) that show up in GD periodically, we know virtually nothing about which genes are responsible for intelligence, much less their prevalence in various populations. Historically, issues of culture and society have been the explanation for unusual disparities in outcomes like IQ test scores -- the Irish, for example, were about a standard deviation below most of the rest of Europe a hundred years ago -- and now they're the same. Nothing changed in Irish DNA. And per the Flynn effect, test scores tend to increase over time for most populations such that the scale has to be re-calibrated... so African Americans today score about the same as white Americans from a handful of decades ago. Lastly, experiments have been performed to specifically test whether higher levels of African ancestry among self-identified African Americans correlated with lower IQ scores -- the result was negative... among African Americans, the amount of African and European ancestry doesn't have anything to do with test scores.

So there's no reason to conclude at this time that genetics are the best explanation for the test score disparity. The most reasonable conclusion at this time is that there are various aspects of culture and society that result in greater obstacles (that are still overcome by some) for people who identify as African American.

El_Kabong
02-01-2015, 09:07 AM
Abdesselam Jelloul is the man with highest IQ score in the world.

So, you're saying that all along this site has been lying about Cecil Adams being the "World's Smartest Human"?

I'm a bit surprised this thread wasn't disappeared long ago.

Ethilrist
02-01-2015, 10:34 AM
So, you're saying that all along this site has been lying about Cecil Adams being the "World's Smartest Human"?

I'm a bit surprised this thread wasn't disappeared long ago.

Well, maybe Cecil's not a guy...

Jackmannii
02-01-2015, 11:24 AM
Nevermind, made this brilliant observation earlier.

Hector_St_Clare
02-01-2015, 11:27 AM
If the man with the highest IQ in the world were white, what would that say about white people?


If the man with the highest IQ in the world were Asian, what would that say about Asian people?


If the man with the highest IQ in the world were Arab, what would that say about Arab people?


My point is, a 1-person statistical sample size is just that; a 1-person statistical sample.

Right. The truth or falsity of the statement "Women are less likely to be strong national leaders than men" isn't affected by pointing at examples like Queen Elizabeth I or Indira Gandhi, because it's a statement about averages, not individuals.

Hector_St_Clare
02-01-2015, 11:38 AM
we know virtually nothing about which genes are responsible for intelligence, much less their prevalence in various populations.

That's not quite true, we've identified some proteins that affect IQ, like this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klotho_(biology)

Historically, issues of culture and society have been the explanation for unusual disparities in outcomes like IQ test scores -- the Irish, for example, were about a standard deviation below most of the rest of Europe a hundred years ago -- and now they're the same. Nothing changed in Irish DNA.

That's not necessarily true, although it might be. Ireland traditionally had a very large fraction of its population emigrate, which might well have included the most intelligent people, which in turn would mean that the people left at home would be a lower-IQ pool (due to their genetics). I don't know exactly when the mass migration flow stopped, but if it ended around the 1970s or so, and if emigration selected for the smartest people, then you'd expect to see the population starting to gain in IQ starting in the 1980s (which is exactly what we do see).

I suspect a good part of why Ireland is on par with Europe today have to do with nutrition, urbanization, etc., but it's not impossible that there might be changes in the gene pool because the mass emigration flow slowed down.

Count Blucher
02-01-2015, 12:57 PM
So, he's a black muslim zombie?

... They call him "Melanin" Jelloul...

iiandyiiii
02-01-2015, 02:20 PM
That's not quite true, we've identified some proteins that affect IQ, like this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klotho_(biology)

Your link didn't work, but this one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klotho_%28biology%29) doesn't say anything at all about intelligence. This article (http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21601809-potent-source-genetic-variation-cognitive-ability-has-just-been) describes a correlation (though it didn't use actual IQ tests), though it says nothing about the prevalence of the gene in various populations.

That's not necessarily true, although it might be. Ireland traditionally had a very large fraction of its population emigrate, which might well have included the most intelligent people, which in turn would mean that the people left at home would be a lower-IQ pool (due to their genetics). I don't know exactly when the mass migration flow stopped, but if it ended around the 1970s or so, and if emigration selected for the smartest people, then you'd expect to see the population starting to gain in IQ starting in the 1980s (which is exactly what we do see).

I suspect a good part of why Ireland is on par with Europe today have to do with nutrition, urbanization, etc., but it's not impossible that there might be changes in the gene pool because the mass emigration flow slowed down.

This is a fine hypothesis, but that's all it is.

Asimovian
02-01-2015, 03:58 PM
(rest of word salad snipped)

Translation and summary: "Hi! I'm the latest in the long, long unending string of so-called "scientific" racists here to convince you all that black people are born stupid and are our genetic inferiors! Thanks for providing me a welcoming home!"Personal insults aren't allowed outside of the Pit; don't do this again.

Further, some of the new posts are addressed to people who have long ago ceased to participate in the thread. If there are folks here who want to continue this discussion, feel free to start anew. I'm going to close this.