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astorian
05-05-2001, 12:35 PM
How many prime time TV shows can you think of where an actor or actress was replaced, and we were supposed to pretend nothing had changed?

I can think of...

Dick York/Dick Sargent on "Bewitched"
Two different Marilyns on "The Munsters"
Two different drummers on "The Partridge Family"
Short, stacked, English Emma Samms replacing tall, skinny, American Pamela Sue Martin on "Dynasty."
Donna Reed replacing Barbara Bel Geddes on "Dallas."
Meg Foster/Sharon Gless on "Cagney & Lacey"

This is COMMON on daytime soaps, but what other rime time shows have kept a character while changing the actor?

Little Nemo
05-05-2001, 12:47 PM
Two different actors played Lionel on the Jeffersons
Two different actresses played Becky on Roseanne.
I think Cagney (or was it Lacey?) was also played by Loretta Swit at some point.

Gilligan
05-05-2001, 01:19 PM
Jump the Shark (http://www.jumptheshark.com) has a list of these.

BobT
05-05-2001, 01:20 PM
This happens a lot and this list could go on and on. Think about the theater. It happens there on a regular basis. Actors have contract disputes, they get tired of a role, producers don't like the way the actor performs, etc.

Wendell Wagner
05-05-2001, 08:51 PM
The absolute worst case of this was a very early TV show called _The Aldrich Family_. It ran from 1949 to 1953. At that point, since switching actors didn't seem to matter much in plays or on radio, TV producers thought they could get away with the same thing on TV. The lead character was played by five actors over those four years. Several other central characters had three actors playing them during the run of the series.

Torgo
05-05-2001, 09:21 PM
On "Seinfeld" the original actors who portrayed Morty Seinfeld and Frank Costanza were replaced by Barney Martin and Jerry Stiller respectively. You can still see the "original" Morty in some of the earlier episodes in syndication but the ones with the original Frank were either dumped or they reshot the scenes with Stiller.

Mercutio
05-05-2001, 09:32 PM
Let's not forget the two different pairs of Charlies Angels.

Outrider
05-05-2001, 10:26 PM
I think Babylon 5 pulled this on at least one character.

It's actually one of the reasons why I stopped watching the show. I liked the first season, and then I tuned in for the second and was like: "Who are these people?"

Little Nemo
05-06-2001, 12:48 AM
Torgo made a good point that minor characters are sometimes played by different actors in different episodes. In addition to the examples he gave, I believed Ross' first wife in Friends, Frank's wife on Wiseguys, and Ray's girlfriend in Stingray were all played by different actresses at different times.

Let's not forget the two different pairs of Charlies Angels.

The various Angels came in trios not pairs. The six from the original series were different characters in the show. The three from the recent movie were also different characters from the show. So technically no single character was ever played by two different actresses.

Why A Duck
05-06-2001, 08:46 AM
Originally posted by Outrider
I think Babylon 5 pulled this on at least one character.

It's actually one of the reasons why I stopped watching the show. I liked the first season, and then I tuned in for the second and was like: "Who are these people?"

[dons geek hat]

AFAIK, the only character they really pulled this with was Na'Toth, G'Kar's aide. The actress wanted out and JMS needed the character to remain for plot purposes. Not that noticible under all that make-up.

Maybe you're referring to the cast overhaul between the pilot and the series. There was about a year (our time) lapse between the two (I think) and the characters weren't recast so much as transferred off the station and replaced with the others. Even then, Lyta Alexander from the pilot came back to the show after Talia went off to pose nude and become a detective with Sipowicz. There were other cast rotations that went on, but I don't believe they did other changes like in the OP.

[removes chapeau d'geek]

mongrel_8
05-06-2001, 09:37 AM
This wasn't exactly the same characters but pretty darn close. On Dukes Of Hazzard, Bo and Luke were replaced with Vance and Coy one season. IIRC this was because John Schneider and Tom Wopat had arguments over merchandising. Vance and Coy were bad look alike to Bo and Luke, and they only lasted 6 monthes until Bo and Luke returned. Pretty stupid if you ask me.

Crusoe
05-06-2001, 09:40 AM
Speaking of the two different actresses playing Becky in Roseanne, has anyone else seen the, um, "adult" photograph of the first actress?

Sparteye
05-06-2001, 04:02 PM
In the very short run of Bette Midler's series this season, Bette, the actor initially cast to play her husband was replaced by Robert Hays.

And Little Nemo is right; Loretta Swit played Cagney in the movie pilot for the series Cagney & Lacey.

furryman
05-06-2001, 05:07 PM
How about Doctor Who? I think their up to six or seven different actors, all who played the same part. I didn't realize that two different actresses had played Mrs. Kravitz on Bewitched until I was watching a show about it on E!.

furryman
05-06-2001, 05:11 PM
Hey! I forgot about Dark Shadows! Three different actresses played Victoria Winters, and the actors who played Sherriff Patterson and Dr. Woodard were both replaced.

rowrrbazzle
05-06-2001, 05:51 PM
Babylon 5 did re-cast other characters and re-use actors. Here are ones I can think of.

Re-uses

The actor who played Byron had a couple of lines as a Minbari in a previous episode.

Theodore Bikel played Ivanova's family rabbi, then in the later TV movie "In the Beginning" had a supporting role as a Minbari.

Ed Wasser played a minor technician in the pilot, then later played the major role of Morden.

Re-cast

The actor who played the Minbari who took over the Great Machine later showed up as (human) Brother Theo and another actor took over the Minbari role.

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Sheridan's sister Elizabeth gives him a copy of the last video message to her from his wife Anna before she disappeared and was presumed dead. Anna was played by Beth Toussaint in this message. In a later episode, Anna turns up alive, played by Melissa Gilbert (who is IRL the wife of Bruce Boxleitner who plays Sheridan).

ZenBeam
05-07-2001, 01:14 PM
Adding to zgystardst's list, Wayne Alexander played Loren, then later played one of the Draak (sp?).

Sparteye
05-07-2001, 02:11 PM
And speaking of Dark Shadows, it had lots of cast changes. John Karlen (and speaking of Cagney & Lacey...) played the Willy character for years, but was not the first actor to play the part. I forget the name of the original Willy. And since DS was made on a budget of $1.79 a day, they didn't reschedule or rewrite when a cast member got sick, so if, say, Nancy Barrett (the actress who played Caroline) was ill, for one or two days someone else played the part, and then Barrett would come back. This happened a lot in the first year or so of the series. OTOH, the series also had the same actors playing many parts...

MrAtoz
05-07-2001, 06:48 PM
How about Dr. Who? I think their up to six or seven different actors, all who played the same part.

There have been seven Doctor Whos (or is it Doctors Who?). Eight if you count Paul McGann in the Fox TV movie. Nine if you count Peter Cushing in the two Dalek theatrical movies. Ten if you count Richard Hurndall, who replaced the late William Hartnell in "The Five Doctors."

Somebody was saying something about a geek hat? :)

Actually, Dr. Who is one of the few shows that can get away with this, precisely because it's science fiction. When a new Doctor comes along, the other characters don't just pretend that it's the same guy. Quite the contrary, the fact that the Doctor is able to change his physical appearance is a feature of the program.

There were two different voices for Betty Rubble, and at least two voices for Velma on Scooby Doo. But perhaps that's not quite the same thing.

Aceospades
05-07-2001, 09:40 PM
what about the two different mothers in the fresh prince of belair

rowrrbazzle
05-08-2001, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by ZenBeam
Adding to zgystardst's list, Wayne Alexander played Loren, then later played one of the Draak (sp?).Forgot Wayne. Before he was re-used as Lorien, he played Sebastian, the Inquisitor in "Comes the Inquisitor". He also played a Drazi in the episode "Intersections in Real Time."

Mersavets
05-08-2001, 08:59 AM
Possibly the most outrageous of all switches; Smithers from the Simpsons started as a black guy (first season) and finished as a white guy.

Ethilrist
05-08-2001, 09:18 AM
They replaced Michael Landes with Justin Whalin as Jimmy Olsen in Lois and Clark.

There were several Lassies, as I recall.

AWB
05-08-2001, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by Little Nemo
Torgo made a good point that minor characters are sometimes played by different actors in different episodes. In addition to the examples he gave, I believed Ross' first wife in Friends, Frank's wife on Wiseguys, and Ray's girlfriend in Stingray were all played by different actresses at different times.

Wow, I didn't realize that Ross' wife, Carol Willick, was played by anyone else than Jane Sibbitt. But Anita Barone was Carol in "The One with the Sonogram at the End". She also played Jeff Foxworthy's wife Karen for the first incarnation of his show, but was also replaced. She's a one-woman "First Wife's Club"! :D:D

Also: SCTV's Andrea Martin originated the role of Ishka, Quark and Rom's mother, on "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine". But all other appearances of Ishka were played by Cecily Adams (Don Adams' daughter).

Ceejaytee
05-08-2001, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by MrAtoz
How about Dr. Who? I think their up to six or seven different actors, all who played the same part.

There have been seven Doctor Whos (or is it Doctors Who?). Eight if you count Paul McGann in the Fox TV movie. Nine if you count Peter Cushing in the two Dalek theatrical movies. Ten if you count Richard Hurndall, who replaced the late William Hartnell in "The Five Doctors."


14, using your numbers; 13, using the Internet Movie Database, for "Dr. Who and the Curse of Fatal Death" (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0212887). Rowan Atkinson, Richard E. Grant, Jim Broadbent, Hugh Grant, and Joanna Lumley all played the Doctor.

In "The Fresh Prince of Bel Air," Aunt Viv was played by Janet Hubert-Whitten and then by Daphne Maxwell Reid.

Ethilrist
05-08-2001, 12:16 PM
Well, if we're talking movies, let's not forget James Bond, who has been played by Sean Connery, David Niven, Peter Sellers, Terence Cooper, Woody Allen, Roger Moore, George Lazenby, Timothy Dalton, and Pierce Brosnan. Plus, in Never say Never again, they replaced Q, M, and Moneypenny. Q and M may not count because the letter title seems to pass with the job, but I think they intended for the characters to be the same people, not just the same title.

Balthisar
05-08-2001, 06:06 PM
Let's not forget that Xev changed to Zev in the transistion from "Tales from a Parallel Universe" to "Lexx: the Series."

zev_steinhardt
05-08-2001, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by Balthisar
Let's not forget that Xev changed to Zev

... but I definitely looked better as Xev... :D

Zev Steinhardt

Little Nemo
05-09-2001, 01:27 AM
Possibly the most outrageous of all switches; Smithers from the Simpsons started as a black guy (first season) and finished as a white guy.

Smithers was never intentionally black. However in one of his early appearances, there was a communications glitch between the American producers and the Korean animators which resulted in him being colored brown instead of yellow. Due to time and budget constraints, and the fact that Smithers was a minor character at the time, the episode was broadcast with the error.

On the other hand, Smithers was originally heterosexual. In another early appearance he had a line where he refered to his wife and kids. However the line was cut from the script, making it possible for later writers to develop his alternate lifestyle.

furryman
05-09-2001, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by Ethilrist
Plus, in Never say Never again, they replaced Q, M, and Moneypenny. Q and M may not count because the letter title seems to pass with the job, but I think they intended for the characters to be the same people, not just the same title.

The same Q? I don't think so! Not unless he got a sex change! :D

Arken
05-09-2001, 09:10 AM
Re: Speaking of geek hats

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How about Dr. Who? I think their up to six or seven different actors, all who played the same part.
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There have been seven Doctor Whos (or is it Doctors Who?). Eight if you count Paul McGann in the Fox TV movie. Nine if you count Peter Cushing in the two Dalek theatrical movies. Ten if you count Richard Hurndall, who replaced the late William Hartnell in "The Five Doctors."

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14, using your numbers; 13, using the Internet Movie Database, for "Dr. Who and the Curse of Fatal Death". Rowan Atkinson, Richard E. Grant, Jim Broadbent, Hugh Grant, and Joanna Lumley all played the Doctor.

In "The Fresh Prince of Bel Air," Aunt Viv was played by Janet Hubert-Whitten and then by Daphne Maxwell Reid.

Let's make it 15. As any WHOvian knows, there is also the guy who was The Valeyard. He's the Doctor sometime after his 12th regeneration who has become evil. Add whoever is going to be in the next Dr. Who movie if it ever gets made and we'll have 16.

Dr. Who also had four actors to play The Master if you count Eric Roberts in the Paul McGann TV movie and two actresses to play Romana.

Wendell Wagner
05-09-2001, 10:09 AM
Ethilrist writes:

> Well, if we're talking movies, let's not forget James
> Bond, who has been played by Sean Connery, David Niven,
> Peter Sellers, Terence Cooper, Woody Allen, Roger Moore,
> George Lazenby, Timothy Dalton, and Pierce Brosnan.

There's also Barry Nelson, who played Bond in an American TV movie of _Casino Royale_ in 1954. There's Reg Gadney, who played James Bond in some short sequences in a TV documentary in 1989 called _Goldeneye: The Secret Life of Ian Fleming_. There's also seven other people listed in the IMDb as playing James Bond in a small role in other films. Apparently in each of those seven films it's supposed to be a joke that this person seen briefly in one scene is actually James Bond.

Arken
05-09-2001, 12:31 PM
IIRC, in the feature film version of Casino Royale, the original James Bond, played by David Niven, orders everyone in MI6 to be reclassified as James Bond 007 including the women. So, from that point on in the film, absolutely every agent you see is James Bond. That includes the aforementioned Sellars, Allen, Cooper and Niven, but also includes Ursula Andress, Joanna Pettet, Daliah Lavi and Deborah Kerr. And, since Woody Allen was James Bond 007, Jimmy Bond AND Dr. Noah, we should include Valentine Dyall to that list too as he provided the OTHER voice for Dr. Noah.

What a confusing movie!

Bricker
05-09-2001, 01:28 PM
On "Law and Order," S. Epatha Merkerson, who plays Lt. Van Buren, appeared as "Denise Winters" in an early episode. Jerry Orbach, who plays Det. Lenny Briscoe, appeared earlier as defense attorney Frank Lehrman.

On "L.A. Law," A Martinez played a convict facing a death sentence several years before he became a regular on the show as attorney Daniel Morales. Richard Masur played a con-man who is cross-examined into heart attack, and a few years later appeared as a sixties radical and fugitive from justice.

I realize these are the same actors playing different characters, rather than the other way around...

- Rick

zev_steinhardt
05-09-2001, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by Bricker


I realize these are the same actors playing different characters, rather than the other way around...

- Rick [/B]

One of the most famous examples of this is when Harry Morgan played a general on M*A*S*H and then returned a few years later as Col. Potter.

Zev Steinhardt

kunilou
05-09-2001, 04:22 PM
Does no one remember all the Bradley girls on Petticoat Junction?

Three Billie Jo's (4 if you count Sharon Tate in the pilot)
Two Bobbie Jo's.
Thank God Betty Jo was the producer's daughter.

Phyllis Coates gave way to Noel Neil on The Adventures of Superman.

On Happy Days, Chuck Cunningham only showed up in a handful of episodes and they had to use two different actors. Ditto with Donald Penobscott on M*A*S*H

Barney Miller's wife was played by Abby Dalton in the pilot before they switched to Barbara Barrie for the run of the show.

And how many different parents did Helen Hunt have on Mad About You, and Rob Petrie have on the Dick Van Dyke show?

For that matter, how many different Kenny's have been on South Park? I mean, he's replaced in EVERY episode!

Markxxx
05-09-2001, 10:30 PM
What about "Grace Under Fire?" not only did they switch actors they aged the character about 5 years

Quentin was the character.

Sparteye
05-10-2001, 03:25 PM
As to actors appearing in multiple roles on a show:

Paul Lynde first appeared on Bewitched as a driving instructor. They liked him so much, they brought him back as Uncle Arthur.

AWB
02-28-2003, 08:18 AM
<a href="http://www.funtrivia.com/quizdetails.cfm?id=53033">Play Quiz: TV Characters Played by Two (or More) Actors now!</a>

AWB
02-28-2003, 08:19 AM
(oops, forgot to translate from HTML.)

Play Quiz: TV Characters Played by Two (or More) Actors now! (http://www.funtrivia.com/quizdetails.cfm?id=53033)

curly chick
02-28-2003, 09:18 AM
Originally posted by furryman
The same Q? I don't think so! Not unless he got a sex change! :D

M. You mean M.

Q is the Quartermaster who doles out the gizmos and gadgets. Most initially and most frequently played by Desmond Llewellyn and now played by John Cleese. There was one film where they were both in it and Cleese was Llewellyn's assistant, what was he called in that film?
And, I agree with Ethilrist in that the name of these characters is the title of the job, not the name of theperson who does the job.
Although, sticking with the Bond theme, didn't Donald Pleasance and Telly Savalas both play the same character, Blofeld, when he was actually seen on screen and another guy played him in the one Bond film where he was never seen?

Rex Fenestrarum
02-28-2003, 12:23 PM
Plus, in Never say Never again, they replaced Q, M, and Moneypenny.

That's because NSNA was an "unauthorized" James Bond film. Ian Fleming licenced the JB character solely to MGM. NSNA was made by Sony, who claimed to have a license granted to them by one of Fleming's associates.

For more information about this copyright issue, consult your local library. Or just click here (http://www.benedict.com/visual/thunderball/thunderball.asp), I don't care.

Cliffy
02-28-2003, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by Rex Fenestrarum
That's because NSNA was an "unauthorized" James Bond film. Ian Fleming licenced the JB character solely to MGM. NSNA was made by Sony, who claimed to have a license granted to them by one of Fleming's associates.

Unauthorized is too strong a term by far -- Sony did have a legal right to do a remake of Thunderball as part of a legal settlement.

Getting back to the OP, I enjoyed the way Roseanne handled the switch -- in the episode where Sarah Chalke repaced Lecy Goranson as Becky, one scene shows the family watching Betwitched and commenting on the Dick York/Sargent changeover. At one point the new Becky says something along the lines of "Did they think we wouldn't notice?"

As to shows reusing actors, Star Trek is the king of this particular practice. Off the top of my head I can think of at least three characters played by Majel Barrett, James Cromwell, Tim Russ, Mark Lenard, J.G. Hertzler, and Diana Muldar, and it looks like Jeffrey Coombs has played five, three of them recurring roles. Several other actors have shown up at least twice, such as Rene Auberjonois, Marc Alaimo, Brock Peters, Armin Shimmerman, Ethan Phillips, Robert Duncan MacNeil, and plenty of others. Just a few weeks ago on Enterprise the andorian second in command sounded an awful lot like Worf's old girlfriend.

--Cliffy

godzillatemple
02-28-2003, 01:13 PM
"Law and Order" frequently recasts actors in one episode to play completely different characters in another episode. It's fun seeing an actor portraying a black man who's been passing as white one night, only to see him in another episode playing a New Jersey police detective...

Barry

Earl Snake-Hips Tucker
02-28-2003, 01:28 PM
reusing actors, Star Trek is the king

Actually, I would put Jack Webb's Dragnet (1960s version) ahead of this. He had a pool of actors that he reused as different characters. That might also be true of the 1950s incarnation, but I have seen only a few of those.

Finagle
02-28-2003, 01:36 PM
Another sort of geek checking in. In Red Dwarf, Lister's long lost love Kochanski is played by Chloe Annette starting, I think, in season 7. Looks and acts nothing like the actress who played Kochanski in various flashbacks and time travel episodes.

TWDuke
02-28-2003, 01:43 PM
This may require a ruling from the judges, but a few different actresses have played Ginger Grant of Gilligan's Island. Tina Louise played her throughout the series, but didn't return for any of the later TV movies.

Also, if we're including guest stars, we can't forget Batman, most noticeably wildly dissimilar Julie Newmar and Eartha Kitt as Catwoman, but also Frank Gorshin and John Astin as Riddler.

jacquilynne
02-28-2003, 01:43 PM
Law and Order fans refer to the recast actors as 'Repeat Offenders'. There's a fairly comprehensive list to be found here: Law and Order Repeat Offenders (http://members.tripod.com/~MindHarp/lorepeat.html)

silverfish
02-28-2003, 02:29 PM
On the bond subject, I've found this website, which might be good for some of the recurring characters:

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~prospero/bond/recur.html

It confirms that, as curly chick says, Donald Pleasance and Telly Salavas did both play Blofeld, in 'You Only Live Twice' and 'On her majesty's secret service' respectively (according to www.imdb.com), as well as charles gray (Diamonds are forever), and the voice of Eric Pohlmann in 'From Russia with love'. Of those, I think we actually see Blofeld in all but 'From Russia with love', from my memory of seing the films, but I think we see blofeld from being a desk in that one.

I agree that Q and M are job titles. John Cleese played 'R' in 'the world is not enough', and presumedly R took over from Q, as it was indicated that R would be a replaced for Q.

Also, on red dwarf, as well as kochanski, Kryten was played by someone else when he appear in series 2 episode 1 (kryten). He was played by David Ross apparently:
http://www.reddwarf.co.uk/flibble/ross/ross.html#kryten
who apparently also played 'talkie toaster' in white whole.

Then there is the Holly's (red dwarf's computer) 'sex change', changing from Norman Lovett head to Hattie Hayridge. I think that is explained (in the opening credits of the series when the change happens, I think), and Hattie Hayridge had appeared previously as Hilly, a female version of Holly, when holly finds a way into a parallel universe. I think Norman does appear later on as holly, in series 7 or 8.

Cervaise
02-28-2003, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by Cliffy
As to shows reusing actors, Star Trek is the king of this particular practice.Well, sort of, depending on how you define the question. The ongoing Nero Wolfe series on A&E (with Timothy Hutton as Archie and Maury Chaykin as Nero) consciously decided to create an ensemble of supporting actors who would rotate repertory-style through various characters in succeeding episodes. It's occasionally distracting, but once you get used to it I think it's a neat touch. That's not exactly what "Trek" and the other examples mentioned are doing, though.

Biffy the Elephant Shrew
02-28-2003, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by Finagle
Another sort of geek checking in. In Red Dwarf, Lister's long lost love Kochanski is played by Chloe Annette starting, I think, in season 7. Looks and acts nothing like the actress who played Kochanski in various flashbacks and time travel episodes.
...not to mention the male and female versions of Holly.

skaterboarder87
02-28-2003, 04:34 PM
Titus did this with Titus's mom in the 2nd season.

Finagle
02-28-2003, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by Biffy the Elephant Shrew
...not to mention the male and female versions of Holly.

Ooh, right back at ya with the first Kryten (one episode) and Robert LLewelyn.

slipster
03-01-2003, 05:41 PM
On Dallas Donna Reed played Miss Ellie during the season which was supposed to have been a dream, while Barbara Bel Geddes played the part before and after that. Two actors played Gary, the oldest son. Digger Barnes, the father of the Victoria Principal and Ken Kercheval characters, was played at various times by Keenan Wynn and David Wynn. The show had so much turnover that Ken Kercheval, Patrick Duffy and Larry Hagman are said to have been the only actors who appeared in every season--and Duffy's appearance in the "dream season" was limited to a brief appearance in the shower in the last episode.

The oldest son on Eight is Enough was played by two different actors. IIRC, the first one was Mark Hamill, who played Luke Skywalker in the first three Star Wars films.

Veteran film star Sylvia Sydney played Mother Carlson, the owner of the radio station, in the first episode of WKRP in Cincinnatti. In a later season there was an episode with a flashback to the scene in the first episode in which Tim Reid--Venus Flytrap--was hired at the station. The scene was reshot with the actress who played Mother Carlson throughout the series.

There were two pilots for the series which became Leave it to Beaver. In the first, called It's a Small World, the character of Wally was played by an actor who was closer in age to Jerry Mathers. Richard Deacon appeared in the episode, but not as Lumy Rutherford's father; rather, he played a business-man who likely would not have been a recurrent character. Casey Adams, a character actor who played wise-cracking, smart-ass, vaguely sleazy parts in numerous films in the 50s was Ward; he came across as Hugh Beaumont's evil twin.

Eddie Haskell's father was played by two different actors. The part of Lumpy Rutherford's mother, never a prominent role, was played by, I believe, three different actresses, one of them being Madgell Barrett, who had parts in Star Trek and in Star Trek: The Next Generation. (In the latter show she was Counsellor Troi's mother and the voice of the shipboard comupter).

The way that Blofeld's part kept getting recast always reminded me of the way no actor played Professor Moriarity twice opposite Basil Rathbone in the Sherlock Holmes b-movies. In the first production, which, I believe, was released by Twentieth Century Fox, he was played by George Zucco. In Sherlock Holmes and the Secret Code, a universal release, he was played by Lionel Atwill, who did not seem to put up much of an effort. In The Woman in Green, another Universal picture, he was portrayed by Henry Daniell.

Daniell appeared in several other roles in the course of the twelve Universal films. In the Voice of Terror he was the head of British Intelligence. In Sherlock Holmes in Washington he and Zucco were Nazi Spies. So was Ian Wolfe, who likewise played a slew of parts in the films.

The actor who played James Garner's father in the pilot for The Rockford Files looked, and acted, very differently from Noah Beery Jr., who had the role throughout the series.

slipster
03-01-2003, 05:44 PM
Jeff Foxworthy did a cute commercial for the second season of his sitcom. In it he was talking to his "son", who asked him where Mom was. Foxworthy told him she was being "recast", and the kid got a sort of sick, disturbed look on his face.

slipster
03-01-2003, 05:59 PM
Mention might also be made of The Life of Riley. Jackie Gleason played Chester A. Riley for one season. It is said that William Bendix had passed on the job because he thought this television thing was never going to catch on. The show was then off the air for an interval of 2 or 3 years, then brought back with Bendix, who had already played the part on the radio for years.

As a previous poster observed, the replacement of actors was very common on the radio; something on the order of a half dozen or more actors played The Shadow besides Orson Welles.

In something of the same vein, the 1950s British TV show The Invisible Man appeared to have two different actors provide the voice of the lead character. Neither actor was ever listed in the credits for the show.

John Hart, who played Jack Armstrong, The All-American Boy and Captain Africa (a Phantom rip-off) in movie serials, played The Lone Ranger for most of one season. People weren't fooled, and Clayton Moore was brought back.

IIRC, Judd Holdren played Commando Cody on TV. George Wallace played Commando Cody in the movie serial Radar Men of the Moon. To keep things complicated, Judd Holdren played scientist Larry Martin in the movie serial Zombies of the Stratosphere, and Martin wore the same costume and used the same sets and props as Commando Cody. Orginally they had been used by Professor King, otherwise known as Rocket Man, played in the movie serial King of the Rocketmen by Tristam Coffin.
None of the costumes or sets were particularly expensive, but reusing them allowed Republic Studios to reuse stunt and special effects footage.

Two different actors did the voice of Barney Rubble in the first Flintstones series.

manhattan
03-01-2003, 07:25 PM
Wow, here's an oldie but a goodie. I'll shoot it over to Cafe Society, created for just this kind of thing.

N9IWP
03-01-2003, 07:54 PM
If you incluse James Bond, should you include Sherlock Holmes. According to http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/content_pages/record.asp?recordid=50722 He has been played by "some 75 actors in 211 films"

Dracula is up there too...

Brian

Otto
03-01-2003, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by Cliffy
Just a few weeks ago on Enterprise the andorian second in command sounded an awful lot like Worf's old girlfriend. Who IIRC also appeared as a female Q in an ep of Voyager. And Majel Barrett played four characters: Number One; Nurse Chapel, Luaxanna Troi and Computer Voice (of course if you count each ship's computer voice as a separate character her total goes up).

Santos L Halper
03-02-2003, 01:42 AM
Originally posted by Cliffy
Just a few weeks ago on Enterprise the andorian second in command sounded an awful lot like Worf's old girlfriend.

Yep, that was Suzie Plakson. Not only did she play the hot Andorian chick in Enterprise, she played the hot female Q in Voyager, and the hot Klingon chick K'Ehleyr and the hot Vulcan chick Lt. Selar in TNG... :)

Eric

SnugTheJoiner
03-02-2003, 02:00 AM
In the original LASSIE TV series, the part of Timmy's mother Ruth was played at different times by June Lockhart and Cloris Leachman.

Sampiro
03-02-2003, 02:39 AM
The MAD ABOUT YOU revolving door parentage at least always upgraded. You can't do much better than Carol Burnett and Carroll O'Connor as parental units for a sitcom. (Carol Burnett works wwwaaayyy too seldom in TV- I wonder if the offers just aren't there or if she prefers not to?)
Interesting (if only to me) trivia about the second Burt Buchman (whose character was referred to as dead on one of the early episodes): the last/most frequent actor to play him was Louis Zorich. Zorich's most memorable film role was as the constable in the movie version of FIDDLER ON THE ROOF and while filming he was thrown from his horse (he'd never ridden before), causing his very pregnant wife who accompanied him to Yugoslavia to go into premature labor when she witnessed the accident. (He wasn't seriously injured and made a full recovery before the filming was even over.) His wife was/is Olympia Dukakis, though at the time she was a stay-at-home (or go-to-Yugoslavia as the case may be) mother. (This is courtesy of the director's commentary on the FIDDLER DVD.)

Sampiro
03-02-2003, 03:01 AM
Aunt Esther was played by two actresses as a bit part on SANFORD AND SON before the divine Lawanda "Watch it Sucka!" Page was cast. I believe there was another Grady as well. A great disappointment in the First Season DVD is that it doesn't feature Page, Whitman Mayo, or Don "Bubba" Bexley, all of whom were as influential in making the show so fantastic as the two stars.

Lionel #1 from The Jeffersons was Mike Evans, who retired from acting about halfway through the show to breed horses. If you're wondering how he could afford to do this, he was one of the co-creators of the hit series GOOD TIMES, in which the youngest son was named Michael Evans. He was replaced on the series by an openly gay actor/opera singer named Damon Evans (no relation) who later moved to England.

It's not at all uncommon for a different actor to be cast in a role for a series than was cast in the pilot. One example of this was MURDER SHE WROTE, in which Angela Lansbury took over the role originated by Jean Stapleton, who declined the series offer because her husband was dying of cancer. (She's another actress who works too seldom.)

Diane Ladd played the role of Flo in the movie ALICE DOESN'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE, but the role went to Polly Holliday in the series. When the character of Flo left the series she was replaced by a waitress named Belle who was played by... Diane Ladd. (Vic Tayback [ne' Tabbak] played Mel in both versions.)

The roles of Mulcahy and Klinger were played by other actors when they were bit parts in the first season of MASH. Only Gary Burghoff was in both film and screen versions.

One odd case of another actor sorta kinda doing a switch was in the GODFATHER movies. A key element of Puzo's script for GODFATHER II called for Michael's betrayal by his own godfather and lifelong friend, Pete Clemenza, who would turn state's evidence against him in the Kefauver hearings after mistakenly thinking Michael had ordered his assassination. Clemenza was played in a fantastic performance in GODFATHER I by Richard Castellano who was offered an excellent salary for GODFATHER II and accepted, then declined, then accepted again, then declined again, etc., the role for GODFATHER II. Evidently he was something of a primadonna and negotiations finally broke down over whether or not he would be allowed to write his own lines, at which point Coppola finally had enough and replaced him the week shooting was to start with actor Michael V. Gazzo. Since he knew that it would be impossible to explain how Clemenza grew 20 years older and lost 140 pounds between the two movies, he and Puzo did a 30 minute addendum to the script in which they changed the name "Clemenza" to "Pentangeli" in the script, plopped a black armband onto Gazzo's arm, gave about a three sentence "shame Clemenza died but nice that it was you who took over" send-off to Clemenza, and went from there. A real shame, because as good as Gazzo was in that role the continuity that Clemenza could have provided (especially as the alternating storyline told the story of his rise back when he was Bruno Kirby) would have made a great film even greater, and Castellano never had another role anywhere near as good as Clemenza. (There just aren't that many great roles for morbidly obese short and bald Italians, evidently.)
Like Clemenza, two actors played the role of Salvatore Tessio: Abe Vigoda as a young man, and John Aprea, who was cast for his dead-on resemblance to a young Abe Vigoda in 2. (The 1970s were of course the "Get me a Young Abe Vigoda" decade, which wasn't bad homage for a guy who was driving a cab the day before his cattle call audition for GODFATHER I.)

jackelope
03-02-2003, 03:35 AM
Hooray! No one mentioned this yet! (I always get to these threads too late.)

There was a show that ran for one season, 84-85, called Spencer (http://us.imdb.com/Details?0086805). Not "Spenser for Hire"; this was a stupid, doomed sitcom about a high school kid. The lead actor, i.e., the guy who played Spencer, either quit or was fired halfway through the first and only season and was replaced. Actually, my dim recollection is that they replaced ALL the actors at once, but I can't find anything to back that up.

Incidentally, in looking that up, I came across this page (http://www.filmvault.com/filmvault/boston/i/itsyourmovetv1.html) about an equally monoseasonal show (same season, even), this one about a sneaky 14-year-old. The show was It's Your Move (http://us.imdb.com/Details?0086737), starring Jason Bateman, brother of Justine; I'd forgotten how much my brother and I loved that show."Men, tomorrow's the big day. Our fourth annual term-paper sale is on. We've invested a lot of time and energy in this project. Brian, you lost your girlfriend. Gregory here had to give up the track team. And me, well, I've lost a lot of sleep, between track-team practice and dating Brian's old girlfriend."

slipster
03-02-2003, 02:05 PM
Cloris Leachman did not play Timmy's mother on Lassie; she played Jeff's. First Lassie belonged to a farm kid named Jeff, then to a farm kid named Timmy, and then to a park ranger. One used to see the first incarnation of the show in syndication as Jeff's Collie, and the second version as Timmy and Lassie.

In one season of the Cloris Leachman series Phyllis, she worked at a photographer's studio. Her boss was played by two actresses. The first was murdered in a hold-up after only three episodes had been shot.

Sampiro
03-02-2003, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by jackelope
There was a show that ran for one season, 84-85, called Spencer (http://us.imdb.com/Details?0086805). Not "Spenser for Hire"; this was a stupid, doomed sitcom about a high school kid. The lead actor, i.e., the guy who played Spencer, either quit or was fired halfway through the first and only season and was replaced. Actually, my dim recollection is that they replaced ALL the actors at once, but I can't find anything to back that up.


I remember that show quite well. The first Spencer was played by Chad Lowe- I'm not gay or anything, but man I had a crush on him. He left because he was 16, wanted to be a serious actor, and was very uncomfortable with the screaming girls who were in the audience and hounded him everywhere else. (Being Rob's younger brother, he probably didn't want to be niched as "another Lowe heart throb".) His greatest success was probably playing the hopelessly romantic HIV+ teen artist on LIFE GOES ON (for which he won an Emmy), though his most famous camera time was crying like a baby at the Academy Awards when his wife won Best Actress for, ironically, BOYS DON'T CRY.
He was replaced as Spencer by a teen actor nobody could have a crush on, and they rewrote the show to add in the grandparents (veterans Frances Sternhagen and [Dr.] Harold Gould) and writing off his father (who was said to have run off with a high school cheerleader). Since the only appeal of the show was mentally undressing Chad, it immediately fell on its Nielsen Sword.

Invisible Chimp
03-02-2003, 03:34 PM
In the British show "Goodnight Sweetheart," there was a largish break between series 3 and 4 and the two lead actresses went on to other projects. The roles were recast. The show sucked without Dervla Kirwan.

slipster
03-02-2003, 06:25 PM
Whoops...

The part of Digger Barnes was played by both Keenan Wynn and David Wayne.

I've been told that the actor who played Spock's father in an episode of the first Star Trek series later played a Klingon and a Romulan.

DoctorJ
03-02-2003, 08:07 PM
Alan Melvin (http://us.imdb.com/Name?Melvin,%20Allan) played no fewer than eight different characters on "The Andy Griffith Show". (It always amused me because he was sometimes a cop from somewhere else and sometimes a criminal or escaped prisoner. It may have been an intentional choice to symbolize how everyone from outside Mayberry was seen as equal and regarded with equal suspicion by the townsfolk, but I really doubt it.)

He also played seven different characters on "The Dick Van Dyke Show".

He went on to greater fame for bringing Alice the meat as Sam the Butcher on "The Brady Bunch".

Dr. J

Rico
03-03-2003, 01:51 AM
Originally posted by slipster
Two different actors did the voice of Barney Rubble in the first Flintstones series.

Yes - the talented Daws Butler (http://www.comedyorama.com/daws/daws.htm) and the incredible Mel Blanc (http://www.toonopedia.com/blanc.htm).

As much as I admire and love Mel Blanc's work, I think that Daws Butler did a much better job as Barney Rubble.

Or is this a "Ginger or Mary-Anne" type question?

:p

Max Torque
03-03-2003, 02:48 AM
Well, what the heck, I'll throw one on the pile.

In the pilot of Boston Common, Professor Jack Reed was played by Patrick Fabian. He decided he didn't want to get tied to the series, and after only one episode, he split. The role then went to Vincent Ventresca for the remainder of the series (two years). It's a little weird, seeing someone different in the pilot....

Enola Straight
03-05-2003, 10:11 PM
In the JAWS series of movies, Chief Brody's sons are played by different actors each movie:

..................................Michael Brody.......Sean Brody
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Jaws:..........................Chris Rebello......Jay Mello
Jaws 2:.......................Mark Gruner........Marc Gilpin
Jaws 3D:.....................Dennis Quaid......John Putch
Jaws: The Revenge:...Lance Guest........Mitchel Anderson

PRNYouth
03-06-2003, 01:31 AM
Originally posted by Sampiro
It's not at all uncommon for a different actor to be cast in a role for a series than was cast in the pilot. One example of this was MURDER SHE WROTE, in which Angela Lansbury took over the role originated by Jean Stapleton, who declined the series offer because her husband was dying of cancer.

Do you have a cite for Stapleton playing the role in the pilot for Murder, She Wrote? All the sources I can find say that the role was written for Jean Stapleton but that she turned it down before production began. (One cite (http://www.tv1.com.au/program.php?progid=36). Scroll down to Trivia.) The reason I'm asking is because I really enjoy Jean Stapleton's acting, and if this pilot exists, I'd like to track down a copy of it.

lurkernomore
03-06-2003, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by slipster

I've been told that the actor who played Spock's father in an episode of the first Star Trek series later played a Klingon and a Romulan.

Actually, he played the Romulan first. Mark Lenard played the commander in Balance of Terror , THEN Sarek in Journey to Babel , and a Klingon in one of the later series or movies.

They reused a few actors in fairly big roles - Campbell played Trelane (Squire of Gothos) and Koloth (The Trouble with Tribbles)

Rilchiam
03-10-2003, 01:42 AM
Originally posted by Sampiro
The first Spencer was played by Chad Lowe- I'm not gay or anything, but man I had a crush on him. <snip> He was replaced by a teen actor nobody could have a crush on

Out of curiosity, I did an IMDB show for that replacement. His name was Rossie Harris, and he was the kid from Airplane!. You know, "Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?" Bleah.

Re: the "two Becky's" on Roseanne. It was either Roseanne or Jackie who said "Did they think we wouldn't know the difference?" when they were watching Bewitched, while the "new" Becky (Sarah Chalke) said, "Well, I liked that second Darrin much better! [smirk]".

They did a lot of self-reference on that note, in fact. Roseanne once said to another character, "Well, our daughter eloped, and when she came back, we hardly recognized her!" Then when Lecy Goranson returned (briefly), R. made another remark to the effect of "It seems like you've been away for three years!" Then when Chalke took over again (what was the deal with that, anyway? I never knew) the tag scene had both actresses reenacting the opening credits of The Patty Duke Show as "identical Beckys".

FWIW, I prefer Chalke. She was more easygoing than Goranson, who tended to play the character as a snip.