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Simon Forbes
08-06-2014, 10:59 AM
I went to a new chiropractor recently for a sore back and after a series of muscle strength tests he diagnosed me with left/right brain asymmetry. He then proceeded to perform the exact same three mobilizations (cracks) that every other chiropractor osteopath or physiotherapist has done over the past twenty years, before delivering the following instruction: He told me to sniff four of my favourite aromas soaked into a cotton wool pad through my right nostril only every couple of hours through the day to rebalance the brain.

Is this medicine? I thought the nostrils were connected. Has anyone achieved success with this treatment.

I have to say, I almost walked out when he said it but I thought I'd consult the teeming millions in case I'm being closed minded.

Have to go now, I have liquorice to sniff

Simon Forbes

England

running coach
08-06-2014, 11:07 AM
Never, ever, go back to that quack again.

Aside from some specific back and muscle problems, chiro is not effective.

Busy Scissors
08-06-2014, 11:09 AM
It is bolloxology of the first order, as I suspect you realise.

Not necessarily harmless, either - I personally would not let my spine be 'cracked' or manipulated in any way by such an obvious charlatan.

Revtim
08-06-2014, 11:17 AM
Utter and complete horseshit.

Really Not All That Bright
08-06-2014, 11:30 AM
Has anyone achieved success with this treatment.

I can guarantee you it cures the symptoms of "being in a place that smells awful" with efficacy.

Lanzy
08-06-2014, 11:31 AM
Woo of the first order.

74westy
08-06-2014, 11:32 AM
He wouldn't know a left/right brain asymmetry if it accidentally broke his neck.

Chronos
08-06-2014, 11:35 AM
There are a handful of things that chiropractic genuinely is good for, but "brain asymmetry" isn't one of them, and anyone who believed in something that crazy, I wouldn't trust for the legitimate portion of chiropractic, either.

Kelevra
08-06-2014, 11:36 AM
What you are dealing with is quackery.

I've had success with a chiropractor dealing with a repetitive back muscle problem. It would have healed on its own I'm sure but he gave me some stretches and exercises that shortened the recovery time and have kept it from returning.

Oh, and yes your nostrils are connected. I use a neti pot and I can assure you that water poured in one nostril comes out the other.

The Second Stone
08-06-2014, 12:21 PM
A chiropractor who adjusts your spine, not necessarily using "cracking", can help relieve spine pain. The guy you ran into is a bana fide quack who will take your money and might hurt you.

Gatopescado
08-06-2014, 12:58 PM
Utter and complete horseshit.

It's complete and utter Bullshit.

Ambivalid
08-06-2014, 01:15 PM
By any chance did he follow his advice to sniff aromas up your favorite nostril with a recommendation to ease this process by sticking sharpie markers up said nostril?

Ornery Bob
08-06-2014, 08:17 PM
after a series of muscle strength tests he diagnosed me with left/right brain asymmetry.

What he actually "diagnosed" was that you're either right handed or left handed. Our dominant side tends to be stronger because we use it more but it also relates to how well your nervous system fires muscle bundles. Even if you don't really use your right leg more than your left, you can still be "right legged" because of better neurological functioning on the dominant side.

People tend to forget that muscles don't work if nerves don't fire them. Muscle function is very closely tied to nerve function.... that's why it's called your neuromuscular system.

panache45
08-06-2014, 11:47 PM
Years ago, I went to a chiropractor for about two years. Half the time I thought it was beneficial, and half the time I thought it didn't make a difference, or actually made it worse. The only reason I kept going was that my insurance covered it.

jabiru
08-07-2014, 12:00 AM
I used to think chiropractors were sort-of ok until they started getting into treating ailments like asthma and migraines. Woo.

picunurse
08-07-2014, 01:45 AM
I must pick a nit here. Chiropractors have very little education in medicine of any kind. They are the the modern snake oil salesmen. Charlatans. The noise your back makes when they "crack" it is just a release of nitrogen from the joints, no different than cracking you knuckles.
Most are more Penn & Teller than pennicillin. They tell you, with great authority, what they're doing is going to make you feel better, so it does.

An Osteopath is a doctor. He or she goes to school as long as an MD does. The history of their practice was, at one point, based on the dermatomes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermatome_(anatomy)), but no longer. They now are taught main stream medicine.

A Physical Therapist is a medical professional who specializes in the rehabilitation of muscles after injury or surgery.
Please don't lump the two groups of medical professionals with the slight of hand "experts."

njtt
08-07-2014, 02:03 AM
Certainly not bana fide (but not bona fide either)

naita
08-07-2014, 08:09 AM
Not to defend the core ideas of chiropractics, but very little of what you mentioned belong in that bin. You can find MDs believing in such crap too, if you search long enough.

MrDibble
08-07-2014, 09:20 AM
Every time we have a thread on chiropractic, it's said that it is good for some specific kinds of backpain.

This is bullshit.

Massage and manipulation of some points is good for backpain. Chiropractors happen to do some of this. But this doesn't make chiropractic any less bullshit, any more than the exercise you get when doing Tai Chi makes qi energy real.

Hari Seldon
08-07-2014, 05:40 PM
My step father-in-law was a chiropracter and I use one regularly. They agree that most chiros are quacks. Which might seem self-serving. Neither of them tried to cure anything but back problems. The one I use now was recommended by my family doctor, who also sees him. I used to suffer back pain frequently. I have had one bad attack in the 22 years I have been seeing him.

One thing he did was teach me a series of stretching exercises that I have been doing for 22 years. So is it his treatment or the exercises that is keeping my back well? I don't know and am not about to perform the crucial experiment to find out.

md2000
08-07-2014, 07:22 PM
My step father-in-law was a chiropracter and I use one regularly. They agree that most chiros are quacks. Which might seem self-serving. Neither of them tried to cure anything but back problems. The one I use now was recommended by my family doctor, who also sees him. I used to suffer back pain frequently. I have had one bad attack in the 22 years I have been seeing him.

One thing he did was teach me a series of stretching exercises that I have been doing for 22 years. So is it his treatment or the exercises that is keeping my back well? I don't know and am not about to perform the crucial experiment to find out.

This is my thought too. Too much of "real" modern medicine is simply prescribing big pharma's pill-du-jour for what ails you, and if it doesn't work, try the next one. Much of the time muscle and joint pain needs physical therapy. Chiropractors who provide that can often provide relief even if they don't cure the underlying problem. However, when they try to, for example, treat a sciatic nerve inflammation with manipulation like I saw with one acquaintance, the result will be the opposite of good.

To be fair, many people nowadays don't want ongoing therapy, they want a magic pill. (Real) Doctors often don't have time to do in-depth diagnoses, particularly for minor ailments. Chiropractors, physical therapists and professional masseuses often provide the necessary but non-pharmaceutical relief treatment doctors aren't really there to perform.

From what little I know, a lot of chiropractic thought is tied into weird 1800's misapprehensions about the human body not a lot different than reflexology, phrenology, aromatherapy and Freudian analysis. I suspect that chiropractic survived because the physical therapy part provided some relief, just as Freudian woo survived because it at least got the messed up patient talking about their problems.