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frock75
06-06-2001, 07:14 PM
I've been hearing this rather persistant rumor about Jamie Lee Curtis. Does anyone know whether this lady is a hermaphrodite or not? Come to think of it her features are a bit masculine. What's the deal?

Mr. White
06-06-2001, 07:22 PM
I hope not! She's one of the sexiest women alive IMHO.

dantheman
06-06-2001, 07:36 PM
According to Snopes (http://www.snopes2.com/movies/actors/jamie.htm), it's still just a rumor, and has not been proven in any way. The only real way to determine the validity of this rumor would be for Jamie Lee herself to deny or confirm it herself (or her doctors, but that's not likely, either).

bibliophage
06-06-2001, 07:37 PM
Snopes says "undetermined" (but it seems unlikely) http://www.snopes2.com/movies/actors/jamie.htm

dantheman
06-06-2001, 07:38 PM
BTW, one thing the Snopes piece mentions is that the rumor often surfaces from professors who repeat it as fact; when I was in school, my biology professor said Kim Novak was born with both sets of sex organs. Could just be a newer version of the Novak rumor, or vice versa.

JillGat
06-06-2001, 09:26 PM
This is discussed on pages 168-172 of Cecil's book The Straight Dope Tells All. Cecil denies that there is any evidence that this rumor is true.

exchicagoan
06-06-2001, 09:41 PM
Why does this rumor persist? What's the basis for it?
What's the movie that she was in where she wears a leotard? Is her crotch never evident?

This is the same thing as the "6 toed MARILYN MONROE" thing. Reams of pictures of her with both feet showing, only 5 toes each, mean nothing to people who want to believe "rumors".

KIM NOVAK? She was 2 years ahead of me in school and I've NEVER heard this one. The only thing that was ever said about her, after she hit the screen, was that everybody knew "somebody" that knew "a guy" that had made her.

dantheman
06-06-2001, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by exchicagoan
KIM NOVAK? She was 2 years ahead of me in school and I've NEVER heard this one. The only thing that was ever said about her, after she hit the screen, was that everybody knew "somebody" that knew "a guy" that had made her.

I hope you didn't think I meant it as a fact! I only mean the professor presented it as such, not that it was actually true.

Ringo
06-06-2001, 10:54 PM
Why does this rumor persist?

I don't know how it gained birth, but it persists to a large degree because the woman is a very attractive gal whose professional life continues to exist based on how much of the public eye she can command.

She's quite attractive and she's a decent actress. Not one of the greats, but definitely competent. And her career depends on remaining as currency. If I were her I'd never address the subject, as she's apparently chosen.

What would be the big whoopee if this grey rumor were ever determined as fact? Whether ya like 'em that way or not, you still don't get to meet her. And, should some genetic quirk ever be established (which I doubt), the fact of the matter is that Ms. Curtis has established herself as a dynamic woman actress. If she had to deal with some hereditary abnormality, she's done it well.

I really hate the persistence of this kind of bullshit.

Rysdad
06-07-2001, 12:40 AM
At least she seems to have a sense of humor about it.

Anyone remember the awards show when she and John Lovitz were presenting an award, and out of the blue, he reaches over and grabs one of her boobs? She deadpans, "What are you doing?" He replies, "Just checking."

Cut to a shot of Tony Curtis in the crowd. He jumps to his feet and looks shocked.

Later, she returned the favor by grabbing his crotch (hidden by the podium.)

DoctorJ
06-07-2001, 01:04 AM
I had always heard not that she was a hermaphrodite, but that she was an androgen-insensitive XY. I had heard the same thing about Nicole Kidman, although the news of her recent miscarriage seems to cast doubt on that one.

We all start our developmental path as females. After a while, the males start pumping out extra testosterone thanks to a gene on the Y chromosome, and this makes them take a left turn into manhood. Those without a Y chromosome (that is, women) keep on truckin' down the female development highway.

Some people who are XY have some problem making the testosterone, and thus stay on the female track despite being genetically male. Others make the testosterone just fine, but the receptor that the testosterone acts on is defective. This is androgen insensitivity.

They say that women who are androgen-insensitive XY can often be particularly "feminine" appearing, since most women have some testosterone effect and these women have none at all.

This all came from the residents on my Urology rotation, and should be taken with the appropriate grain of salt.

Dr. J

kniz
06-07-2001, 01:15 AM
Why don't we get the old rumor going again about spider eggs in McDonalds hamburgers? Or that Procter and Gambles "Moon and Stars" is a Satanic sign? Or that if you dig a hole deep enough that you'll come out in China? What comes around, goes around, around, around, around...

spathiphyllum
06-07-2001, 01:56 AM
What's the movie that she was in where she wears a leotard? Is her crotch never evident?

This is the same thing as the "6 toed MARILYN MONROE" thing. Reams of pictures of her with both feet showing, only 5 toes each, mean nothing to people who want to believe "rumors".

Apparently part of the rumor is that it was surgically "corrected" in a hush hush manner (probably also the case in the MM rumor), so such evidence doesn't really amount to much.

I guess the ambiguous gender of her name and the lack of biological children led to creative speculation; the "no comment" apparently was taken as tacit confirmation (not that denying it would have quashed the rumor either).
It seems to me that, the odds are, it's bunk. There are too many other explanations that are more likely but less "exciting". She is not the first woman named Jamie, nor the first genetic female to adopt children. I am a genetic female with no fertility problems (that I know of anyway), but I plan to adopt some children myself once I have an opportunity. In fact, I strongly oppose the implication that nobody would want to adopt a kid unless they couldn't have biological kids.

I think it's understandable that people would be curious about this kind of topic and want to talk about such a rumor, but hopefully not in a malicious manner. IMO it SHOULDN'T be a slur to say this about someone, just as it SHOULDN'T be insulting to say someone is gay (although unfortunately insult is sometimes intended by spreading gay rumors). I don't consider it horrible or frightening that someone might have an extra digit or "ambiguous" genitalia. It could happen to anyone. I bet there are a few people in Hollywood, just as in the general population, who have these kind of conditions. It doesn't make them disgusting or sinister; just different.

gigi
06-07-2001, 08:30 AM
Originally posted by Rysdad
Anyone remember the awards show when she and John Lovitz were presenting an award, and out of the blue, he reaches over and grabs one of her boobs? She deadpans, "What are you doing?" He replies, "Just checking."...Later, she returned the favor by grabbing his crotch (hidden by the podium.)

And the punch line, when she grabs his crotch: "You missed." :)


The thread http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=9564 has the same discussion.