"Son of a b-b-b-b-..."

[Strainger]

Has anyone ever heard this (http://www.dailywav.com/0199-/sonofgun2.wav)? This was frequently played on 96 Rock in Atlanta (usually abbreviated) when I was in high school and college.

About 10 years ago I was watching a late night cartoon show on the USA network. As the show was ending, they showed various cartoon clips. In one of these clips, Porky Pig was in his workshop, pounding a nail into a board, when he struck his thumb with a hammer. He then clutched his swelling, throbbing thumb with the other hand and proceeded to exclaim, "Son of a b-b-b-..." and then the clip ended. I presume this is where the aforelinked *.wav file came from.

My questions:
1) Is my presumption correct?
2) Was there actually a "short" that contained this clip created for public entertainment?
3) If yes to #2, where was it shown?
4) If yes to #2, is it possible to get a copy? Where?

My internet search only turned up links to the *.wav file. Other than that I couldn't find any references.

[StrTrkr777]

I would guess that it would not have been created by the normal cartoon creating folks. But as is with cartoons a lot of words will fit with mouth movements. So my WAG is that there was a Porky Pig cartoon/short that had him hit his thumb and say "Ow that hurtttttt." or something and then a good voice impersonatory created the new line and they were added.

Jeffery

[Earl Snake-Hips Tucker]

IIRC, it's from a wartime propaganda cartoon. I think Porky is actually working in a bomb factory or something. I've seen the cartoon, and I think it's legit. I think it was made mainly for the troops, and not for the general public. PBS some years ago aired a special that contained a number of similarly "risque" propaganda cartoons. I don't specifically recall this one, but it might have been included. I do recall som Disney cartoons, though.

[pmh]

I remember seeing this cartoon, but it ended w/

"Ha, you thought I was going to say son-of-a-(THEME MUSIC/CREDITS/Th-th-th-that's all folks!)"

I assumed it was written that way, but Mjollnir's theory also sounds plausible.

[andros]

Better than Popeye telling servicemen how to wear condoms . . .

-andros-

[Arken]

Mel Blanc talks about this in his book, 'That's All Folks'. It was part of an outtake reel that the studio put together each year (mostly of bloopers) and the folks at Termite Terrace felt the need to contribute. Previous accounts notwithstanding, I have seen this cartoon as a whole several times and Porky actually does finish the final sentence: "b-b-b-betcha thought I was gonna say son-of-a-bitch, didn't ya?"

[gary horaczek]

Arken: I believe Mel Blanc was incorrect that it was a reel of bloopers. The original Warner Brothers cartoons were made for an adult audience( during WW2 the movie houses were kept open 24 hours for the benefit of all the shiftworkers ) and when television came in the cartoons were edited for a younger crowd. There is a precedent for this. The original Grimm's Fairy Tales and the original Sleeping Beauty were tales passed from adult to adult but were changed for kids.

[Girl Next Door]

I can back up Arken. I've seen the whole thing and he says "son of a bitch". It's very funny.

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[Primal]

Here is a clip from the cartoon - it contains the "scandalous" portion under debate....
http://www.surfshop.net/users/gunboy3/porky.avi

Primal

[andros]

Want to try that link again, Primal?

Arken,Yep,I saw it too. I was surprised.

Now we need to find a tape of Bugs Bunny saying fuck!

[RoboDude]

If you think that's dirty, check this out: http://www.laughnet.net/archive/multi/donald.wav

[andros]

I think the point was that Mel Blanc and the Termite Terrace crew actually made the Porky cartoon, Robodude. Not some idiot with a synthesizer and a .wav editor.

-andros-

[andros]

Sorry, that came out a little snotty. Didn't mean for it to.

[Earl Snake-Hips Tucker]

Getting back to the OP, you should be able to find some links to cartoon video sources pretty easily. I don't have this particular one, but I do have a number of cartoons that are NEVER shown on TV anymore.

Also, a lot of the cartoons that are shown--especially those predating the '70's--are often heavily edited. Anything the *might* offend someone is taken out.

Some censored scenes that I remember:

There was one cartoon which ended with a cymbal clanging down on a character's head. As it is reverberating up and down on his head, the person looks like a Chinese charicature.

Two involving ghosts (hey, this even ties to another thread), both involving someone speeding away in a car to get away from them:

In one, when the smoke (exhaust fumes) clears, the ghost is now Black. He turns to the camera, and in his best "Rochester" voice says, "My, oh, my--now I can work for Mr. Benny."

In another one, when the smoke clears, the now-Black ghost turns to the camera and starts singing an old "Black tune:"

"Mammy little baby love shawtnin' shawtnin'"
"Mammy little baby love shawtnin' bread"

Those cartoons are still shown, but with the "offensive" scenes edited out. So, it's not anything unusual that the Porky Pig cartoon might have actually aired on TV, but with the "offensive" language removed.

I did a quick check on Ebay for "uncensored cartoons," and the only thing that showed up was a tape of old Mickey Mouse cartoons that have been taken off the market because of alleged racist attitudes.

[John W. Kennedy]

A) Censorship of old cartoons is new. They shown uncensored as "kid's TV" all through the 50's and 60's.

B) While it is true that the old cartoons were made for mixed audiences, it cuts both ways. Nothing was allowed in any Hollywood movie that wasn't regarded as theoretically "safe" for kids until the ratings system came in in '69 or so. There's no way Porky Pig could ever have said "son-of-a-bitch" in a general-release cartoon. Trampas (?) wasn't allowed to say it in The Virginian, and it's the most famous line in the book.

C) I cannot, of my own knowledge, judge between the "war training film" and "blooper reel" stories.

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-- Charles Williams

[Cabbage]

I once saw a Disney cartoon (I don't know when the cartoon was made, but I saw it in the mid 80's), I think it was a Christmas special. Donald Duck had gotten mad at his nephews, and, well, you know how Donald Duck is a little hard to understand at times, but I believe he said "Goddammit!" at one point. Anybody remember ever seeing something like this?

[Sofa King]

I saw two Warner Brothers cartoons at a (sigh, yes it's true) Star Trek convention that went beyond the pale. The first was called "Uncle Tom's Cabana." The opening scene.... Well, I think the title accurately describes the content.

Nobody who has

[MrKnowItAll]

I had heard about this years ago, but had never seen or heard it. Finally, I decided it was probably a UL. It's nice to know that not all stories are too good to be true.

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[Stephen]

Also, a lot of the cartoons that are shown--especially those predating the '70's--are often heavily edited. Anything the *might* offend someone is taken out.

Ever since they found that kid at the bottom of the grand canyon, still gripping his little sign "Yipes!"...

I've got a copy of the Porky "SOB" clip on video tape somewhere around here. Yes, it's legit and as it was explained to me, there were a number of Toons produced "for the boys" that walked a line we won't see on TV today.

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[Strainger]

Thanks all! I appreciate the link to that *.avi file, Primal.

[Primal]

no problem stranger. glad I could be of service.

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"Life, by it's very nature, is self gratifying. If it also happens to be good or bad, that is purely coincidence."

[Cabbage]

That's All, Folks!

The End.

[mobo85]

The "Porky blooper" was in fact created for a Warner Bros. blooper reel.

[Malarky]

I remember hearing something about those old Red-Hot Riding Hood cartoons...apparently in one the wolf gets a hard-on.

I also remember a rabbit vs. the turtle Bugs Bunny cartoon. All of Bugs' gangster rabbit friends bet on Bugs to win. When he lost, the gangsters all shot themselves in the head. A few years later, I saw the same cartoon, but w/out the ending.

[RealityChuck]

Trampas (?) wasn't allowed to say it in The Virginian, and it's the most famous line in the book.

No. The most famous line in The Virginian is "When you call me that, smile." The book never uses the words "son of a bitch" (it would have been much too scandalous back in 1902, when it was written), though it's obvious what phrase the author means.

[Osip]

ok while we are kind of on the subject.
Does anyone know of a black and white version where Yosimitie Sam said "rag a frag a I hate that fucking rabbit"?

or did I mis remember seeing that at some point and time?

Osip

[Zenster]

A few years ago there was a special screening of a wartime anti-nazi Donald Duck propaganda cartoon at the Caans (sp) Film Festival. One of the most enduring images from it is Donald working ala Charlie Chaplain on a bomb factory assembly line where the parts keep coming faster and faster.

Suddenly a bell rings and a sign reading "Vacation Time" lights up. A movie screen rolls down in front of Donald and shows tree lined hills and scenery for a few seconds and then rolls back up so that the work may continue.

This was the first time the cartoon had been shown for decades and it was by invitation only. Seating was for a few hundred and the requests for tickets were in the thousands. Viewing it was the ne plus ultra for that particular festival. Spielberg may have been involved IIRC.

Sadly, many of the sceens involving guns and violence are being cut from the commercial airing of Warner Brothers cartoons. This is a crime against humanity and people will rot in Hell for it. At least if I have it my way they will.

[Ura-Maru]

Uh, that Donald Duck cartoon is kept under wraps becuase Don is wearing a Nazi uniform, not because of guns or violence . . . understandable at the time, but you can see how Disney dosn't want it floating around. They're already the scapegoat for pretty much every lunitic fringe group anyway.

And not for the valid reason, that they've kept the art of animation as kiddie stuff for what, 30 years now?

Most WB cartoons are censored because of now-inapropriate racial context, though some for violence, too.

Oddly enough, no one seems to have a problem shwowing Tom and Jerry . . .

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"To infinity, and--"
"Disney! Lawsuit!"
"uh, some other place!"

[Guy Propski]

The Donald Duck cartoon Zenster is describing is called "Der Fuehrer's Face", based on the song of the same name. It won the Oscar for best animated short in 1943. Disney has voluntarily pulled it from distribution, probably because of fearing the public's reaction to seeing Donald D dressed like a Nazi. I know, I know, very lame, but this is the same company that pulled "Song of the South" out of fear of negative public comment.

The Warner Brothers shorts that contained "adult" language were the Private Snafu shorts. They were all instructional/morale boosting shorts produced solely for the Armed Forces, and were never meant to be screened for the public. I believe one PS cartoon featured Bugs Bunny, but most of them were Snafu only, plus his pal Technical Fairy First Class. All the top WB directors worked on these shorts, and Ted Geisel (aka Dr. Suess) wrote many of the scripts. Some of the animation was reused in later shorts (e.g., parts of "Pvt. Snafu vs. Malaria Mike" ended up in "The Fighting 69 1/2th."). They are available on DVD. For more info, visit http://www.toonzone.net/brian/video/dvd/snafu.html

Malarky--no, the wolf in "Red Hot Riding Hood" does not get a hard-on. Instead, his whole body rises into the air and stiffens, kind of making his whole body resemble an erection. MGM made Avery tone down the drawing; in an earlier version, the resemblance was very obvious.

Also, the tortoise vs Bugs cartoon is not the only one missing the suicide. Virtually every suicide shot done in WB cartoons is missing; for example, Avery's "Detouring America" (the hilarious "croaking frog" scene), and tons of Bob Clampett's. Chalk up another dubious victory for political correctness.

Sofa King--There's also the great "Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarves", which hasn't been shown in decades.

[CalMeacham]

Guy Propski:

You are quite correct. I would DEARLY love to see "Der Fuhrer's Face", which I've heard about for years. Everytinme someone teases me with the prospect, though (as in the A&E Special "Cartoons Go to War"), they chicken out.

On the other hand, I've seen "Coal Black and the Sebben Dwarves many, many times. Even on TV (it was on PBS). It's insulting as hell, but it has an incredible energy and some gorgeous animated scenes. A real Love It/Hate It cartoon.

If you really want to see some odd Disney stuff, look up the delected scenes from Fantasia in the book "Cartoon Confidential". For years I wondered why there is a peculiar "break" in Beethoven's "Pastorale" Symphony. Now I know that it's because of a cut they had to make in the cartoon. They also "re-framed" some shots in the same sequence to eliminate some questionable racial stereotypes. In their defence, I note that such scenes were NOT considered insulting in their day.

[Eutychus]

Originally posted by CalMeacham
You are quite correct. I would DEARLY love to see "Der Fuhrer's Face", which I've heard about for years. Everytinme someone teases me with the prospect, though (as in the A&E Special "Cartoons Go to War"), they chicken out.


I probably shouldn't mention at this point that I have a copy.

If you really want to see the extreme of Disney proaganda, look for a short entitled "Education for Death." It gives the story of a young German youth being brought up in the Nazi way of life and has a much darker ending than almost any Disney short you can find.

[CalMeacham]

Eutychus55:

Okay, now I have to meet you. If your copy of "Der Fuhrer's Face" weren't enough, that Nazi film would do it.

Where the heck do you find this stuff? And where can I see a copy of DFF?

[Eutychus]

It's not what you know, it's who you know. ;)

E-mail me ... I'm sure we can work something out.

[Smitty]

To view the Porky cartoon in all its glory:

http://www.moderntv.com/modtvweb/qtclips/porky1.htm