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Opus1
06-12-2001, 12:20 AM
For those of you who have never played the Kevin Bacon game, the idea is to link actors to Kevin Bacon through move appearances. For example, Wilt Chamberlain gets a "3" because:

Wilt Chamberlain was in Conan the Destroyer (1984) with Tracey Walter who was in Fist of the North Star (1995/I) with Clint Howard who was in My Dog Skip (2000) with Kevin Bacon

Three films=Bacon number of 3.

Well, as you can see from this (http://oracleofbacon.org/cgi-bin/oracle/center-cgi?who=Kevin+Bacon) chart, there is only one person in history who has a Bacon number of 10, and I just found him!

Just thought I'd brag a little. If anyone wants to play the Kevin Bacon Game, just go here:
http://www.oracleofbacon.org

Warning: it's very addictive, and finding people with Bacon numbers above 3 is damn near impossible.

Jack Batty
06-12-2001, 12:48 AM
Well?
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Who the hell is it?!?!

Whammo
06-12-2001, 12:53 AM
DAMN YOU!! There goes my night!! I'm blaiming YOU when I fall asleep at work!

Badtz Maru
06-12-2001, 02:38 AM
Highest I ever found was a 6 or 7, it was an actor from a production of Romeo and Juliet from the early 1900s - but I tried finding it again and all the actors have Bacon Numbers of 3 now, I think due in part to 'My Dog Skip'.

Baker
06-12-2001, 05:28 AM
I also played the game linking ANY two actors, trying to find those with high link numbers, but their database is so vast and there have been SO many films that high numbers are hard to find. I tried wierd combinations, like Emil Jannings and Charlize Theron, but wven they had a number of three(try it!)

CalMeacham
06-12-2001, 06:55 AM
I have to admit (as I have before) to being impressed with the game and the database. Even when I try obscure weirdo silent film actors like Snitz Edwards or "Bull" Montana or Charles Ogle (the first "Frankenstein") I still end up with a Bacon Number of 3. I've turned up people with Bacon numbers of infinity (if you appear in only one really obscure film peopled with equally obscure actors, you never connect), but finding high non-infinite Bacon numbers is incredibly hard.

So who is #10? Heck, who are the ones higher than 7?

Borborygmi
06-12-2001, 07:05 AM
I generally avoid "me too" posts, but I love the OP link so much that I can't help myself. Thanks, Opus1. My best is a meager 3 after several early tries. This will be in my bookmarks list for some time. I'd nominate it for Weird Earl's, if I did that sort of thing.

Crown Prince of Irony
06-12-2001, 07:35 AM
10!?!?

My best is a 5...

Jeez, I felt pretty good about myself, but now to know someone's got a 10... you've just ruined any chance I have to get any work done today.

TroubleAgain
06-12-2001, 07:54 AM
I second Jack Batty: Who the hell is it? There's no name on that page you linked to, or if there is, I didn't see it...

Paul The Younger
06-12-2001, 08:42 AM
Nelson Mandela has a Bacon number of 2!

From the Oracle of Bacon website:
Nelson Mandela was in Malcolm X (1992) with Gareth (I) Williams
Gareth (I) Williams was in Digging to China (1998) with Kevin Bacon

Wow.....I just don't know what to say......

Fern Forest
06-12-2001, 08:48 AM
2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-3-3-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-CRAP!!!

See those threes? silnet film stars!
I do have some satisfaction that I was able to link to him through "The Thing with Two Heads" which almost makes this worth while. Now excuse me while I pound the hell out of my keyboard
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Fern Forest
06-12-2001, 09:13 AM
Al Gore - 2 (yeah I know he lost but no Junior yet)
Bill Clinton - 2
George Bush Sr. - 2
Ronald Reagan - 2
Jimmy Carter - 3
Gerald Ford - 2
Richard Nixon - NA
Lyndon Johnson - NA
John Kennedy - 3
Dwight Eisenhower - 3
Harry S. Truman - 3
Franklin Roosevelt - NA
Herbert Hoover - 4 (my first 4)
Calvin Coolidge - NA
Warren Harding - NA
Woodrow Wilson - 3
William Taft - NA
Teddy Roosevelt - NA
William McKinley - 7!!!!! I can go to sleep!!!!

ok ok, I know this is a cheap way to do it and doesn't really count, plus I didn't think it would work but it did and I don't care.

Fern Forest
06-12-2001, 09:15 AM
I don't know why I stopped
Benjamin Harrison - NA
Grover Cleveland - 8

ok, I think we can safely assume there will be no more

Aghris
06-12-2001, 09:26 AM
Jeez, I thought I had it easy, but even obscure Dutch actors are in the database. Even the guy who does Sesame Street here in Holland! This is crap :mad:

Fern Forest
06-12-2001, 09:32 AM
It gets worse Aghris, try porn stars. All close eh? Now go try foreign pornstars, Gina Wild even gets a 3?!?

Fern Forest
06-12-2001, 09:38 AM
then try Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Mao Tse-Tung, Pope John Paul II THE POPE IS LISTED AS BEING IN ARMAGEDDON!!!!!

I'm beginning to think I might be in there somewhere ... noe *whew*

Mockingbird
06-12-2001, 09:41 AM
The best I could do was 4 - for Musidora, star of the 1915 serial Les Vampires.

CalMeacham
06-12-2001, 09:49 AM
furthest actor I got was Bud Collyer (4)


WILLIAM MCKINLEY!!!!????

Wicked Blue
06-12-2001, 10:04 AM
I tried my real name and still got a 2.

Feh.

Rose

mouthbreather
06-12-2001, 10:17 AM
I spent a full day last year and never got above a 5. WHO IS IT? Please email to me if you don't want to post it.

Paul The Younger
06-12-2001, 11:00 AM
Best I've done is a couple of fours....and I went back to the films of Thomas F***in' Edison!


By the way, Cecil(y) Adams is a 3.

Fern Forest
06-12-2001, 05:59 PM
got it, found #10, opus1 is it WRS?

Opus1
06-12-2001, 07:50 PM
Excellent job, brother rat!

For all those wondering, no, I'm not going to tell you who it is. That kind of takes all the fun out of the game. But there is a very big clue somewhere in this thread that should help you link all the way to #10.

Revtim
06-12-2001, 09:20 PM
Got me a 7 = George Dewey (I)

Stoid
06-12-2001, 09:32 PM
for those of us who are overwhelmed by stuff to do already, if we ask nicely in Email, will you tell?

And did you happen to find the person who has the "worst' number, the opposite of Bacon? Kevin's average is 2.66, and the worst person's average is 11. something. Amazing.

stoid

SmackFu
06-12-2001, 09:50 PM
Yay! Yippee! They should give you a special screen or something for finding the 10. :) That was a good clue.

Now what sort of obscure trivia can I use to prove I got it... Well rat already took the initials, and most things would be too obvious. How about, this person's spouse was 27 years younger than they?

Fern Forest
06-12-2001, 09:51 PM
thanks opus. once I figured out my technique I was able to bring it home. although now I think I may become obsessed with those 11 people are claiming in the hall of fame, although I think it may not exist anymore. can't tell. blast!!!

bibliophage
06-12-2001, 10:04 PM
The best I can do is a five: Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands. If I don't stop now, I'll be up all night.

Paul The Younger
06-12-2001, 10:38 PM
Well I finally got a 6....but I had to go to 1940's China to find her!


Still searching.....

GingerOfTheNorth
06-12-2001, 10:38 PM
I personally am 3 degrees from Kevin Bacon.

Meg Tilley stayed in the hotel I worked at in Lake Louise, Alberta, while she was filming a truly awful movie called "Leaving Normal" (with Christine Lahti).

I was her personal housekeeper. Oh the joy.

Paul The Younger
06-12-2001, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by GingerOfTheNorth
I personally am 3 degrees from Kevin Bacon.

Meg Tilley stayed in the hotel I worked at in Lake Louise, Alberta, while she was filming a truly awful movie called "Leaving Normal" (with Christine Lahti).

I was her personal housekeeper. Oh the joy.

Ahh yes, the Canuck Connection. I'd almost forgotten.

As a relative (I'm guessing three times removed) of Mary Pickford (Bacon number 3), that gives me a Bacon number of 6.

Then again, I met Michael Skupin of Survivor II a couple of weeks ago. Since he's in the IMDb, and he's got a Bacon number of infinity.......

That gives me Infinity + 1!!! Woo Hoo!

(That's gotta be higher than 10, right?)

SallySimpson
06-13-2001, 04:24 AM
Originally posted by GingerOfTheNorth
I personally am 3 degrees from Kevin Bacon.

Meg Tilley stayed in the hotel I worked at in Lake Louise, Alberta, while she was filming a truly awful movie called "Leaving Normal" (with Christine Lahti).

I was her personal housekeeper. Oh the joy.

I also have a Bacon number of 3. Last summer, Tony Bennett stayed at the hotel where I was a housekeeper. Apparently, he was in "The Scout" with Anne Twomey, who was in "Picture Perfect" with Kevin Bacon.

I think Kevin Bacon has powerful cosmic forces that none of us can even begin to understand.

Cheesesteak
06-13-2001, 07:34 AM
I found it!!!!! YIIPPPEEEEE!!!!

On a bit of a lower note, here's a quote from the Oracle of Bacon Hall of fame:Jorge Souss, an attorney from Puerto Rico, shattered all previous Bacon records by finding five 7s, four 8s, eleven 9s, one 10, and one 11 -- several days before the Oracle knew about them. Excellent work, Jorge.
I guess this means there's an 11 out there somwhere..... :(

Punoqllads
06-13-2001, 08:09 AM
Oh. My. God. Found him. WRS, in SoGT, and MGS.

Now, time for sleep. Oy.

Stoid
06-13-2001, 01:00 PM
I'm a 2.

Met Ellen Barkin on the set of "Made in Heaven", and she was in a movie with him in 1983.

stoid

Who still wants to know who it is, dammit.

OpalCat
06-13-2001, 01:47 PM
That is, if they saw you on the street, they'd say "oh, that's so-and-so"

Fiver
06-13-2001, 02:50 PM
Stoid, you do not have a Bacon number of 2, unless you were an actor in "Made In Heaven."

SallySimpson, you do not have a Bacon number of 3.

Paul The Younger, GingerOfTheNorth, neither of you either.

Y'all have missed the concept: These are all people who have appeared in movies with people who have appeared in movies who...with Kevin Bacon. Just knowing people with a connection is not enough. It's about actors.

And even as I type this I think I've realized who is 10. Let me post this, check it, then post again.

hajario
06-13-2001, 03:17 PM
I did it. Now I can get some work done.

It's all your fault, Opal, you really reamed us with that one. Yeah, you gave it to us indeed.

Haj

Paul The Younger
06-13-2001, 03:31 PM
No, Fiver, we got the concept.

It burns within all of us to believe that we are somehow special, different from the rest of the pack. That we can walk down the street holding our head high, secure in the knowledge that we ARE somebody...WE HAVE A PLACE IN THIS WORLD....

WE HAVE.....A BACON NUMBER!!!!

So what if we gotta bend the rules a bit? I think you're just jealous 'cause you never got to clean up a Hollywood movie star's toilet or shake hands with a Survivor. So there!


BTW, his hands had healed up very nicely. The skin was a little thick, but otherwise looked quite normal. Very surprising, but I didn't have time to ask him about it.

Arnold Winkelried
06-13-2001, 03:59 PM
Congratulations Opus1! Finding a Bacon number of 10 must be extremely hard. I see from the Hall of Fame (http://oracleofbacon.org/oracle/hof.html) that less than 10 people have found Bacon numbers of 10 or 11.

I'll have to disagree though that "finding people with Bacon numbers above 3 is damn near impossible." It depends on how you approach it. For the average person, thinking of an actor you remember and plugging his/her name will not give you a very high Bacon number.

But if you go to IMDb, search movies by year or by country (IMDb search central (http://us.imdb.com/Search/) - click on "year" or "country" in the left-hand navigation bar), and pick very old movies or older films from a foreign country, you can find Bacon numbers above three fairly easily. In about 8 minutes I found a Bacon number of 6 by trying actors in movies made in Albania.

The Oracle says: Mevlan Shanaj has a Bacon number of 6.

Mevlan Shanaj was in Guximtaret (1970) with Tinka Kurti
Tinka Kurti was in Tana (1958) with Kadri Roshi
Kadri Roshi was in Kur zbardhi nje dite (1971) with Timo Flloko
Timo Flloko was in Angel's Dance (1999) with Kevin (I) Cooney
Kevin (I) Cooney was in Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me (1999) with Clint Howard
Clint Howard was in My Dog Skip (2000) with Kevin Bacon

Stoid
06-13-2001, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by OpalCat
That is, if they saw you on the street, they'd say "oh, that's so-and-so"

Only one that would not only say "That's so-and-so" but would run up, give me a big kiss and hug, and take me to lunch.

After that, there's about...oh....between 3 and 7 that, with a little prodding, would maybe say..."OH! Right! How've you been?"

Stoid

PS: According to a strict interpretation of the rules, my sister has a Bacon number of 3. The celebrity that would take me to lunch has a 2.

OpalCat
06-13-2001, 05:40 PM
Ignore my post. It was supposed to be a new topic.... stupid wrong clicking fingers!!

Opus1
06-13-2001, 05:44 PM
Okay, for all those who desperately seek the answer, I am posting it below in rot13, so those who don't want to see it don't have to. Rot13 means that each letter is replaced by the one 13 away in the alphabet:

a b c d e f g h i j k l m
n o p q r s t u v w x y z

Basically, just replace every letter in the answer with the one either above or below it in the preceeding chart.

The person is:

JVYYVNZ EHSHF FUNSGRE

Type his name exactly as presented into the oracle to see the complete chain.

Now several people have commented that there is at least one 11 out there. There is not. The chart I linked to in my first post is accurate and up to date. There used to be an eleven, and I'm 99% sure it's this same guy. He was downgraded to a 10 when the latest film in the chain was made.

I'm also fairly certain that this same guy is the least central person in the acting universe, but I've yet to find any of the 7 people who are a whopping 17 films away from him.

And in case anyone's wondering, I did most of my searching the way Arnold Winkelried did: looking for old foreign films. I did find lots of 5's and 6's that way, but that's not how I ended up finding the 10.

Finally, I'd like to chastise the IMDB for its absurd and arbitrary listing of people in newsclips, documentaries and whatnot as "actors" in movies. Bill Clinton in Contact? Adolf Hitler in Rio Rita? Why not Kennedy and Eisenhower for JFK?

dropzone
06-13-2001, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by Arnold Winkelried
Clint Howard was in My Dog Skip (2000) with Kevin Bacon

Have you noticed that nearly everybody's Bacon number would be one less if we were counting the Clint Howard number instead? And two less with the Mickey Rooney number? And if "Silent Night, Deadly Night 5" and "My Dog Skip" had never been made everybody's Bacon number would be higher?

Flymaster
06-13-2001, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by Paul The Younger
Then again, I met Michael Skupin of Survivor II a couple of weeks ago. Since he's in the IMDb, and he's got a Bacon number of infinity.......


Nope. Survivor II with Jeff Probst.
Either Kevin Bacon has been on Celebrity R&R Jeopardy, giving Skupin a 2, or Probst was on Survivor 1 with Colleen, who was in the Animal with Rob Schneider, who certainly has a Bacon number around 3. I'd say Skupin is a 6 or 7 at worst.

Flymaster
06-13-2001, 10:22 PM
Scratch that...I see the Oracle only counts movies, not TV shows.

Jeannie
06-14-2001, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by dropzone
Originally posted by Arnold Winkelried
Clint Howard was in My Dog Skip (2000) with Kevin Bacon

Have you noticed that nearly everybody's Bacon number would be one less if we were counting the Clint Howard number instead? And two less with the Mickey Rooney number? And if "Silent Night, Deadly Night 5" and "My Dog Skip" had never been made everybody's Bacon number would be higher?

Oh, don't forget "Apollo 13."

I wonder if Clint Howard is as "central" to the Hollywood universe as Kevin Bacon...

Paul The Younger
06-15-2001, 07:47 AM
Originally posted by dropzone
Originally posted by Arnold Winkelried
Clint Howard was in My Dog Skip (2000) with Kevin Bacon

Have you noticed that nearly everybody's Bacon number would be one less if we were counting the Clint Howard number instead? And two less with the Mickey Rooney number? And if "Silent Night, Deadly Night 5" and "My Dog Skip" had never been made everybody's Bacon number would be higher?

Run enough names through and you begin to wish that Clint Howard and Robert Wagner had become plumbers, instead.

On the Oracle's list of 1000 best centers (http://oracleofbacon.org/oracle/center_list.html), Mickey Rooney comes in at #40, Robert Wagner at #44, and Clint Howard at #173.

Kevin Bacon comes in at #912. And Christopher Lee is the Center of the Hollywood Universe.

Yossarian
06-15-2001, 10:10 AM
I thought that WRS's name was familiar...

(Warning! the link spoils the identity of WRS.)

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/SS/hns37.html

dropzone
06-15-2001, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Pantellerite
I thought that WRS's name was familiar...
Familiar? A third-rate general (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0844644.html) is familiar to you?

Oh, well. We all find ways to waste our brain cells. There was a time when I could name all the members of Kraftwerk. ;)

Rilchiam
06-16-2001, 01:52 AM
I was trying so hard; I finally input a name that probably only Eve would know. And it still got a 2!

"Sonny Tufts was in Easy Living (1949) with Bill Erwin.

Bill Erwin was in She's Having a Baby with Kevin Bacon."

Unflippinbelievable.

Oh dear. I just found out something unfortunate. But I'll make another thread for it.

Sultan Kinkari
06-16-2001, 03:03 AM
The second person I punched in the computer, Jimi Hendrix, was a 3.

Do I win a prize?

Fern Forest
06-16-2001, 03:47 AM
opus, I'm interested in what your technique was.

Fern Forest
06-16-2001, 04:24 AM
I did not know this but according to this (http://www.brunching.com/toys/toy-bacondegrees.html)
Brother Rat
was pelted with raw fruit and dead rodents at a protest lead by
Alfred Wechter
who was pelted with raw fruit and dead rodents at a protest lead by
Kevin Bacon
I'm 2o from Kevin Bacon.

Skywatcher
06-20-2001, 08:20 AM
I found WRS on my own. Started with William F. Cody and worked my way back. The question now is, can anyone find a WRS number of more than 10?

mobo85
06-20-2001, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by Flymaster
Scratch that...I see the Oracle only counts movies, not TV shows.

Yes, but if you use Star Links, a game also on the Oracle of Bacon page, you can use both movies and TV, and discover Michael Skupin has a Bacon number of 3, and a William Rufus Shafter number of 11.

dropzone
06-20-2001, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by mobo85
...and a William Rufus Shafter number of 11.
SHHHH! We aren't supposed to say his name out loud!

dqa
06-22-2001, 10:33 PM
Everyone wants to be a comedian, even the headline writers at the BBC:
Sex degrees of separation (http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1398000/1398631.stm)

pesch
06-23-2001, 12:11 AM
There was also a book put out by a couple of brit writers several years back called "Who Had Who?" that played connect-the-dots with celebs and royalties, only based on their performances in bed.

One of the longest chains dealt with Ryan O'Neal.

Me, I have a Bacon number of 3, through Mel Gibson in "The Patriot" (Continential Army extra at the end of the movie).

Yossarian
06-24-2001, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by dropzone
Originally posted by Pantellerite
I thought that WRS's name was familiar...
Familiar? A third-rate general (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0844644.html) is familiar to you?

Oh, well. We all find ways to waste our brain cells. There was a time when I could name all the members of Kraftwerk. ;)

He's a minor historical figure in these here parts, enough that he's got a semi-ghost town named after him. Cool silver mine, anyway.

PLUS, the familiarity comes from a friend of mine who works for a surveyor. The friend, upon hearing someone utter the name of the town, invariably mutters: "S------? Hardly even know her!" An ongoing tribute to WRS... of sorts....

StamperQuartet636
09-14-2012, 12:14 AM
This person is now a 7.

Frazzled
09-14-2012, 12:15 PM
The best I found so far is a 4! Curse Eli Wallach - nearly every actor I pick before 1950 seems to come through him to Kevin Bacon.

SCAdian
09-14-2012, 08:35 PM
Y'all have missed the concept: These are all people who have appeared in movies with people who have appeared in movies who...with Kevin Bacon. Just knowing people with a connection is not enough. It's about actors.

First time I've ever heard that....

Chronos
09-14-2012, 11:17 PM
This person is now a 7. What new movie closed the gap?

And as an aside, a friend of mine has both a Bacon number (by virtue of being an uncredited extra) and an Erdös number. I don't know his Bacon number off the top of my head, but I think his Erdös number is 6.

Boyo Jim
09-15-2012, 12:28 AM
Mmmmm... zombie bacon!

Happy Scrappy Hero Pup
09-15-2012, 01:28 AM
I call BS.

I just put in the girlfriend's name.

Her Bacon Number is 3, based on a starting point of a project called "It's a Match," in which she did background.

I know, because I woke her up, and in between snarls at having been woken up, she said, "I did fucking BACKGROUND- you woke me up to ask me THAT?!!?!?"

Background is a cop-out.

Rhythmdvl
09-15-2012, 02:28 AM
Fun Google Trick:

You can put Bacon number [any name] into the search box, and if that person has a Bacon number it will display along with its Bacon-chain.

Punoqllads
09-15-2012, 03:53 AM
What new movie closed the gap?Frost/Nixon (2008)

Morgyn
09-15-2012, 11:12 PM
I found several people with Bacon numbers of infinity, but they were all in a documentary. Not sure if that counts. On the other hand, if WRS counts, so do these people ...

twickster
09-16-2012, 09:13 AM
Moved MPSIMS --> Cafe Society, a forum that did not exist when this zombie last saw the light of day.

epiclab02
04-23-2013, 07:30 PM
I just figured out who WRS is and he has a bacon number of 7!:confused:

mcgato
04-24-2013, 08:28 AM
For the record, I am listed on the Bacon Hall of Fame from August 1997 for finding someone with a Bacon number of 7. One of my prouder moments.

kaylasdad99
04-24-2013, 09:06 AM
WTF? Have I missed the point of the game? I thought the object was to connect your target to Kevin Bacon in six moves or FEWER.

I'm a six, btw.

kaylasdad99
04-24-2013, 09:21 AM
WTF? Have I missed the point of the game? I thought the object was to connect your target to Kevin Bacon in six moves or FEWER.

I'm a six, btw.
Oops.

Make that a four (yes I count TV shows, although I only used one).

Munch
04-24-2013, 09:35 AM
WTF? Have I missed the point of the game? I thought the object was to connect your target to Kevin Bacon in six moves or FEWER.

I'm a six, btw.

You've missed the point. The point was that EVERYONE had a Bacon number of 6 or less - and so when people started finding 7s or higher out in the wild, it was a big deal. (At least, it was a big deal back in 2001...)

kaylasdad99
04-24-2013, 10:08 AM
Pffft.

THAT game doesn't interest me in the slightest.

furryman
04-24-2013, 11:21 AM
O. K. I give up what did WRS appear in that gives him a Bacon number of 7 (or 10)?

Sternvogel
04-27-2013, 10:11 PM
O. K. I give up what did WRS appear in that gives him a Bacon number of 7 (or 10)?

He has only one credit on IMDb, but when I put in his name just now, I was told he has a Bacon number of infinity, as does William McKinley, who was a "7" back in 2001. Meanwhile, the 2006 flick Stay Awake has reduced Mevlan Shanaj from a 6 to a 3.

Face Intentionally Left Blank
04-27-2013, 10:47 PM
Do uncredited extra roles count? If so, I'm a three, thanks to a few days work on a TV movie. Too bad Kevin Bacon wasn't IN it. :)

Little Nemo
04-27-2013, 11:05 PM
O. K. I give up what did WRS appear in that gives him a Bacon number of 7 (or 10)?1. William Rufus Shafter and Joseph Wheeler appeared in Surrender of General Toral.
2. Joseph Wheeler and Russell A. Alger appeared in General Wheeler and Secretary of War Alger at Camp Wikoff.
3. Russell A. Alger and William McKinley appeared in President McKinley's Inspection of Camp Wikoff.
4. William McKinley and Theodore Roosevelt appeared in President McKinley Inauguration.
5. Theodore Roosevelt and Walter McGrail appeared in Womanhood, the Glory of the Nation.
6. Walter McGrail and Patty McCormack appeared in Here Comes the Groom.
7. Patty McCormack and Kevin Bacon appeared in Frost/Nixon.

Several of these steps appear to be old newsreels.

BigT
04-27-2013, 11:20 PM
WTF? Have I missed the point of the game? I thought the object was to connect your target to Kevin Bacon in six moves or FEWER.

I'm a six, btw.

Yes, that's the point of the game. Supposedly, you can connect absolutely anyone in the movies to Kevin Bacon in six moves or fewer. However, some people have the imp of the perverse, and like to play a metagame where they find people for whom the original game's premise is false.

It's similar to another phenomenon: people who, instead of actually playing Freecell, spend their time coming up with card permutations where the game is unwinnable. All because Microsoft originally debuted the game as always being winnable. (Not realizing that Microsoft already beat them to it, having given some permutations a negative identification number, which meant they were unwinnable.)

Or maybe a more well-known example: people who try to prove that someone does have identical fingerprints or claim to have found two snowflakes that are exactly alike. That's what always happens when you tell someone something is impossible.

astorian
04-28-2013, 12:17 AM
It wasn't easy, but thanks to Crow and Tom Servo, I stumped the computer!

Seriously- enter John Reynolds, who payed Torgo in Manos: The Hands of Fate. He does not connect to Kevin Bacon at all. He gets a score of infinity degrees separation.

RickJay
04-28-2013, 08:36 AM
Okay, for all those who desperately seek the answer, I am posting it below in rot13, so those who don't want to see it don't have to. Rot13 means that each letter is replaced by the one 13 away in the alphabet:

a b c d e f g h i j k l m
n o p q r s t u v w x y z

Basically, just replace every letter in the answer with the one either above or below it in the preceeding chart.

The person is:

JVYYVNZ EHSHF FUNSGRE
At least of right now that doesn't work in the Oracle of Bacon (and I know I'm putting it in right because I found him in IMDB.)

RickJay
04-28-2013, 08:37 AM
It wasn't easy, but thanks to Crow and Tom Servo, I stumped the computer!

Seriously- enter John Reynolds, who payed Torgo in Manos: The Hands of Fate. He does not connect to Kevin Bacon at all. He gets a score of infinity degrees separation.
Finding people who come up with a Bacon Number of infinity is not really that tough; you just find semi-amateur movies like that and you can find infinities.

Little Nemo
04-28-2013, 09:57 AM
Finding people who come up with a Bacon Number of infinity is not really that tough; you just find semi-amateur movies like that and you can find infinities.True. You can find lots of people who have Bacon numbers of infinity. What's difficult is finding somebody that has a high but finite Bacon number.

adhemar
04-28-2013, 12:33 PM
dang, if the movie I was a an extra in ever comes out, I will have a Bacon number of 4.

Stoid
04-28-2013, 05:21 PM
Stoid, you do not have a Bacon number of 2, unless you were an actor in "Made In Heaven."

Y'all have missed the concept: These are all people who have appeared in movies with people who have appeared in movies who...with Kevin Bacon. Just knowing people with a connection is not enough. It's about actors.

And even as I type this I think I've realized who is 10. Let me post this, check it, then post again.

Well, if you include all kinds of films, I have three credits and a genyoowine Bacon number of 2.

Stoid
04-28-2013, 05:28 PM
Wow, my father's Bacon number is 2 as well, based on a 1961 episode of "Ben Casey"...

stui magpie
04-28-2013, 07:52 PM
I found an error in their data base, that's my only claim to doing anything good with this.

I tried Paul Mecurio and it came up with a bacon no of infinity.

But when I actually looked at his history (cos I didn't believe it), he should be 3 or less as he was in a movie called Exit to Eden with Dan Aykroyd who has a bacon no of 2.

Do I win a prize for that?

Face Intentionally Left Blank
04-28-2013, 08:51 PM
Do uncredited extra roles count? If so, I'm a three, thanks to a few days work on a TV movie. Too bad Kevin Bacon wasn't IN it. :)

Ooh, I just realized John Vernon was in that movie. I've got a Bacon Number of 2!
(Zoidberg)
Hooray, now I'm interesting!
(/Zoidberg)

Muildir
02-19-2017, 01:40 AM
WRS is now a number 7 so this post is useless

Monocracy
02-19-2017, 07:51 AM
WRS is now a number 7 so this post is useless

irony

(go see post #61 from 2012)

E-DUB
02-19-2017, 08:36 AM
I figured that I wouldn't even have a Bacon number but then I remembered that summer when I worked as a stagehand at a local theater company. This guy was in one of the two plays I worked.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0795289/?ref_=nv_sr_1

And his number is two, so I guess that makes me a 3.!

drad dog
02-19-2017, 09:33 AM
TV or not/ Newsreels or not? Are there any rules here?

drad dog
02-19-2017, 02:21 PM
I looked up Richard Nixon and he has a 2 Bacon. Can anyone explain how this is possible?

Chronos
02-19-2017, 02:23 PM
I think that if one is going to count experimental reels made by Edison, and the like, then one is really forced to also include TV shows. Though one must then ask whether being in the same series is enough, or if one must be in the same episode (though you can usually connect people in any two episodes of a series with just one additional step through one of the series' main characters).

Snowboarder Bo
02-19-2017, 05:57 PM
I found an infinity... Kirk Douglas (II).

Mahaloth
02-19-2017, 08:05 PM
So what actors have the highest numbers now? Please just tell us, even if you must put it in spoiler box.

Face Intentionally Left Blank
02-19-2017, 09:19 PM
For those of you who have never played the Kevin Bacon game, the idea is to link actors to Kevin Bacon through move appearances. For example, Wilt Chamberlain gets a "3" because:

Wilt Chamberlain was in Conan the Destroyer (1984) with Tracey Walter who was in Fist of the North Star (1995/I) with Clint Howard who was in My Dog Skip (2000) with Kevin Bacon

Three films=Bacon number of 3.

Well, as you can see from this (http://oracleofbacon.org/cgi-bin/oracle/center-cgi?who=Kevin+Bacon) chart, there is only one person in history who has a Bacon number of 10, and I just found him!

Just thought I'd brag a little. If anyone wants to play the Kevin Bacon Game, just go here:
http://www.oracleofbacon.org

Warning: it's very addictive, and finding people with Bacon numbers above 3 is damn near impossible.

Heh, hell, even I'VE got a Bacon number of 2.

/ Yeah, I was an extra, but I got screen-time.

Face Intentionally Left Blank
02-19-2017, 10:39 PM
Ooh, I just realized John Vernon was in that movie. I've got a Bacon Number of 2!
(Zoidberg)
Hooray, now I'm interesting!
(/Zoidberg)

Heh, hell, even I'VE got a Bacon number of 2.

/ Yeah, I was an extra, but I got screen-time.

Crap, I got zombiefied.

/I can't help it. Like I said, it's the only slightly interesting I have going.

Rick Kitchen
02-19-2017, 11:42 PM
If you count TV shows, I have a Bacon number of 3. I was on Jeopardy! with Alex Trebek, who was in Short Cuts with Anne Archer, who was in Hero at Large with Kevin Bacon.

or

My number is 3. I was on The Challengers with Dick Clark, who was in The Phynx with Larry Hankin, who was in She's Having a Baby with Kevin Bacon.

aldiboronti
02-20-2017, 04:07 AM
Anybody know how William Rufus Shafter could go from a 10 on that chart back then to infinity now?

BigT
02-20-2017, 05:31 AM
Anybody know how William Rufus Shafter could go from a 10 on that chart back then to infinity now?

The classification system seems to have changed. To get the first few links to work, you have to explicitly choose to include News in the advanced options. Apparently something that that is tagged in IMDb with both Short and News only counts as News.

I any version I get, the first four are always News. They aren't the first four given back in 2013, but are instead:

William Rufus Shafter was in "Surrender of General Toral" (1898) with Joseph Wheeler (IV).

Joseph Wheeler (IV) was in "General Wheeler and Secretary of War Alger at Camp Wikoff" (1898) with Russell Alexander Alger

Russell Alexander Alger was in "President McKinley's Inspection of Camp Wikoff" (1898) with William McKinley (I).

William McKinley (I) was in "Presentation of Nation's Sword to Admiral Dewey" (1899) with George Dewey (I)

Dewey was in the drama The Battle Cry of Peace (1915), which can then be used in various ways to make it three steps to Kevin Bacon.

(I do note that the 2013 version does seem to work, as I followed it manually first, trying to find the broken link, before I tried just going to the site. But I can't get the actual site to change those first four.)

Gyrate
02-20-2017, 05:46 AM
Assuming that being credited in a group counts (that is, not an extra but a member of a group credited by the group name in the film credits) I have a Bacon number of 3 via multiple routes. Yay me.

Which reminds me: must start working on that math paper so I can get an Erdős number...

Chronos
02-20-2017, 07:07 AM
Nearly any academic paper at all will give you an Erdös number. Mathematicians tend to get lower ones, yes, but mathematicians also publish with researchers in other fields, and they in turn publish with others, and so on. Einstein, for instance, has an Erdös number of 2, so every physicist's Erdös number is at most two higher than their Einstein number.

drad dog
02-20-2017, 10:31 AM
The classification system seems to have changed. To get the first few links to work, you have to explicitly choose to include News in the advanced options. Apparently something that that is tagged in IMDb with both Short and News only counts as News.

I any version I get, the first four are always News. They aren't the first four given back in 2013, but are instead:

William Rufus Shafter was in "Surrender of General Toral" (1898) with Joseph Wheeler (IV).

Joseph Wheeler (IV) was in "General Wheeler and Secretary of War Alger at Camp Wikoff" (1898) with Russell Alexander Alger

Russell Alexander Alger was in "President McKinley's Inspection of Camp Wikoff" (1898) with William McKinley (I).

William McKinley (I) was in "Presentation of Nation's Sword to Admiral Dewey" (1899) with George Dewey (I)

Dewey was in the drama The Battle Cry of Peace (1915), which can then be used in various ways to make it three steps to Kevin Bacon.

(I do note that the 2013 version does seem to work, as I followed it manually first, trying to find the broken link, before I tried just going to the site. But I can't get the actual site to change those first four.)

What is "News" consisting of? Are these filmed newsreels shown in theaters?

Does your face have to appear? Does it have to be moving? Can you be on the crew?

N9IWP
02-20-2017, 12:27 PM
Now that this Zombie has been resurected, I recall an interesting article saying that the IMDB database is big enough to be interesting but small enough to anyalize.
Found the site: http://oracleofbacon.org/center.php (which may be mentioned aerlier)
There are better centers (Eric Roberts wins)

Brian

hajario
02-20-2017, 01:32 PM
I remember spending the better part of a day figuring out the answer to the original question back in 2001.

mcgato
02-20-2017, 02:16 PM
I'm proud to say that I made the official Bacon Hall of Fame back in 1997, for finding someone with a Bacon number of 7. I'm one of the first couple dozen listed. It was a slow time during grad school.

Hey Hey Paula
02-20-2017, 07:53 PM
I just discovered I have an official Kevin Bacon Number of 3! I also discovered that I am in fact listed in IMBD, but they left out my middle initial, which is part of my official SAG-AFTRA name. I knew I have an unofficial Bacon Number of 2, thanks to my extra work, but I had no idea I was official!

Annoying Buzz
02-20-2017, 08:06 PM
Just found out my Bacon number is 3.

I was in a TV show with Kaori Momoi, she was in Emperor with Tommy Lee Jones, he was in JFK with Bacon.

BigT
02-21-2017, 07:17 AM
I just discovered I have an official Kevin Bacon Number of 3! I also discovered that I am in fact listed in IMBD, but they left out my middle initial, which is part of my official SAG-AFTRA name. I knew I have an unofficial Bacon Number of 2, thanks to my extra work, but I had no idea I was official!

I believe you can report that sort of thing if you are so inclined. There would be a link on your page.

@drag dog: As for what makes something News, I don't really know. These shorts are all really short (less than a minute, usually), with no real context. I can only guess that they were small segments of newsreels.

txjim
02-21-2017, 12:47 PM
It wasn't easy, but thanks to Crow and Tom Servo, I stumped the computer!

Seriously- enter John Reynolds, who payed Torgo in Manos: The Hands of Fate. He does not connect to Kevin Bacon at all. He gets a score of infinity degrees separation.

I am pleased to report that, in 2016 Manos Returns reduced this to a Bacon score of 4!

Hey Hey Paula
02-21-2017, 03:54 PM
I believe you can report that sort of thing if you are so inclined. There would be a link on your page.

@drag dog: As for what makes something News, I don't really know. These shorts are all really short (less than a minute, usually), with no real context. I can only guess that they were small segments of newsreels.

I could get it corrected, if I want to pony up about $20 per month for an IMDB Pro membership. I could also add in the credit that got me my SAG card back in the 80s, in an episode of an obscure show, though I may have to dig up my old VHS tape of the episode. :cool:

Sternvogel
02-24-2017, 03:10 PM
Counting TV shows, I have a Bacon number of 3, as I appeared on two episodes of Academic Challenge, a high-school quiz hosted by Don Webster. Webster has a credit for a 2015 episode of The Seventies, as does Lesley Stahl, who was on the 1997 CableACE Awards telecast with Kevin.