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floordog
10-30-1999, 03:51 PM
could the words"no angel born in hell could break that satan spell" refer to the hells angel who stabbed a man at altamont?

C K Dexter Haven
10-30-1999, 03:54 PM
That's probably the most common interpretation.

There are a number of websites devoted to trying to explain this song, I don't happen to have any links, but I'm sure someone will provide them

Undead Dude
10-30-1999, 05:29 PM
But surely you could have provided this one! ;)
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_398b.html

Stephen
10-30-1999, 07:55 PM
Every once in a while, a huge text message gets sent out to much of usenet. It attempts to be the 'ultimate' annotation of American Pie.
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=420124853&fmt=text

And, my favorite parody of this project...
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=424512536&fmt=text



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RealityChuck
10-30-1999, 09:49 PM
The lyrics in "American Pie" are meant to be evocative, not literal. There is no reason to assume that any given line has a one-to-one correspondence with anything in real life.

Earl Snake-Hips Tucker
10-30-1999, 10:14 PM
Best answer yet of what "American Pie" means:

"It means I don't ever have to work again if I don't want to."

Don Mclean

PunditLisa
10-31-1999, 04:43 PM
Okay, I'm clueless. What's this about the Rolling Stones and Altamont? Was there a fire?

Persephone
10-31-1999, 05:09 PM
Lisa: An audience member at Altamont was stabbed, by one of the Hell's Angels hired to provide security. I'm not up on all the details surrounding the incident, though.

BobT
11-01-1999, 07:13 PM
To further amplify the story, the Rolling Stones announced a free concert to take place at the Altamont Speedway in Livermore, CA.
For security, the Hell's Angels gang was hired for (according to one account for $500 worth of beer).
The Hell's Angels supposedly used weighted pool cues as weapons and beat several spectators and stabbed one spectator, an African-American named Meredith Hunter, to death.
I don't know if charges were filed, but some witnesses claimed that Hunter had a gun.

The film "Gimme Shelter" portrays this event in quite disturbing detail.

whitetho
11-01-1999, 08:20 PM
By the way, the Rolling Stones later claimed that, as Britishers, they had no idea that the Angels had a reputation for violence, so they unknowingly hired them.

astorian
11-01-1999, 08:27 PM
Unrelated side note: Ever hear the Brady Bunch version of "American Pie"? I'm totally serious- the BRady Bunch recorded it, and when you hear Bobby and Cindy singing about "No angel born in Hell could break that Satan spell" and "Satan laughing with delight," you'll either die laughing or sit there in stunned silence at the sheer inappropriateness (whose idea was it for the Bradys to do THAT song? Heck, why not "War Pigs" or "The Lemon Song"?).

Lawrence
11-01-1999, 09:33 PM
The lyrics to the song are: "No angel born in HEAVEN could break that Satan spell...."

Undead Dude
11-02-1999, 06:42 AM
Lawrence,
Where the heck did you get that idea from? The word is most certainly "hell", not "heaven", as a simple playing of the song will confirm.
http://ynucc.yeungnam.ac.kr/~bwlee/lyrics/ampie.htm

11-02-1999, 10:10 AM
Thank you so really much! Now all thats going thru my head is that stupid verse!!

Sparky59
01-30-2003, 06:18 PM
I remember about 15-20 yrs ago hearing an anthology about this song where the mc went through the song verse by verse and translated it. I belive this was on the King Biscuit Flower Hour or one of Casey Casem's shows. I wish I could remember what show it was because I am curious since I still hear the song all the time. I did a search at the biscuit and there is a cd for sale from a 1972 show. Whether or not it is what I am talking I am not sure. I will continue my search.

Sparky

Johnny L.A.
01-30-2003, 06:25 PM
Where the heck did you get that idea from? The word is most certainly "hell", not "heaven"
Besides: "Heaven" doesn't rhyme with "spell".

Johnny L.A.
01-30-2003, 06:30 PM
I couldn't get to the links that Stephen posted, and Cecil's column was kinda short.

Here's another interpretation page: http://www.tafkac.org/songs/american_pie_interpretations.html

RealityChuck
01-30-2003, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by Sparky59
I remember about 15-20 yrs ago hearing an anthology about this song where the mc went through the song verse by verse and translated it. I belive this was on the King Biscuit Flower Hour or one of Casey Casem's shows. I wish I could remember what show it was because I am curious since I still hear the song all the time. I did a search at the biscuit and there is a cd for sale from a 1972 show. Whether or not it is what I am talking I am not sure. I will continue my search.

Sparky
McLean has steadfastly refused point blank to give any explanation of the lyrics. Lots of people "remember" such an incident, but it never happened.

McLean isn't that big a fool.

bibliophage
01-30-2003, 06:43 PM
I'll move this thread to Cafe Society.

Zebra
01-30-2003, 07:39 PM
I was told the incident at the Altamont concert take place during Sympathy for the Devil? I was told that Jagger jsut befor the song said "When ever we play this something happens" referring to frequetn tech snafus during the song.

Is that what happened or is all that Urban Legend?

stockton
01-30-2003, 08:34 PM
Here's one NON-anti-Hell's Angels cite from the owner of the Altamont speedway:

http://www.diablomag.com/archives/DM9912/sod.html