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04-26-1999, 11:45 AM
He did. On the awful Geraldo Show on CNBC. The entire idea of this incident is so distasteful to me, that I have been ignoring it. While channel surfing I came upon hapless Geraldo. And Fat Jery Falwell. I said, quite facetiously, "How's old Fairy Jerry going to blame this on Homosexuality?" ...When he did it. The shooters were homosexual he said. Please, someone tell me it was a bad dream.

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04-26-1999, 01:38 PM
"Eh-oh, T'enchcoat Mafia"

"Eh-oh, Tinky Winky"



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04-26-1999, 01:48 PM
At this point, Falwell calling anybody heterosexual would be newsworthy.

04-27-1999, 12:06 AM
What? Tinkie Winkie's been implicated in the CHS shooting? I'd better hurry over to the "Evil Toys" thread!

04-27-1999, 03:18 PM
Fallwell the pedophile on Geraldo? Which one was doing the slumming?

04-28-1999, 10:25 PM
In one of the earliest reports, a student called the Trenchcoat Mafia a homosexual gang. I was on lunch break not ten miles from the school at the time.

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04-29-1999, 09:36 AM
Of course, it appears that at least one of the two murderers had a girlfriend, although I suppose he could have been a closet case of some kind.

04-29-1999, 11:39 AM
The Day of the shooting, I went to an msnbc message board. The trenchcoat group's website was quoted, apparently saying that the entire "trenchcoat mafia" was gay. This combined with at least one quote from a student at the highschool seems to support it. I think the media is trying to downplay the issue because it wouldn't be PC to connect this shooting with gays everywhere (although the media doesn't seem to mind when it comes to Muslims or other eastern groups)

04-30-1999, 01:02 PM
Kbutcher says:*****************************
The Day of the shooting, I went to an msnbc message board. The trenchcoat group's website was quoted, apparently saying that the entire "trenchcoat mafia" was gay. This combined with at least one quote from a student at the highschool seems to support it. I think the media is trying to downplay the issue because it wouldn't be PC to connect this shooting with gays everywhere (although the media doesn't seem to mind when it comes to Muslims or other eastern groups)*******************
Ah, yes. The huge support for homosexuals. A wee bit paranoid aren't you? Big Media Cover-up!!! Call Matt Sludge, you're onto something.
The point of my question is not to discount anything these two evil little sissies did. But if you think the media is kind to Homosexuals, I suggest you read the newspaper someday. You will never see the words "Heterosexual brutally slays wife in front of children" "Heterosexual runs for office" "Heterosexual saves life of drowning child" "Seven Heterosexual Boys guilty In Gang Rape of Young Heterosexual woman."
The fact that these two murderers are beneath contempt has NOTHING to do with their sexuality, whatever it is. Certainly, if it's based on the fact the some high school boys called some other High School boys "Faggot" or "Fairy" or whatever, then it is surely unreliable. When I was in High School, and even now when I hear men or boys talking they often call someone they don't like a Fairy or 'Mo or other term meant to imply homosexuality as a put-down.
My post has to do with the fact that out of all the pain and misery that these two slimeballs caused, Jerry The Anti-Christ Falwell cannot help but politicize it and somehow turn this into an indictment of Gays in general.
Grow up.

04-30-1999, 01:58 PM
Voice aren't you missing the point? No the papers don't say "Heterosexual murders 16," but neither do they say that "homosexuals murder 16," unless it is relevant to the case (as it was with the Matthew Shepherd and Gianni Versace killings)

And Kbutcher said that "the media" was downlaying the issue. How the hell did you get onto what people say in lockerrooms? Being a bit defensive?

05-01-1999, 02:10 AM
[[Voice aren't you missing the point? No the papers don't say "Heterosexual murders 16," but neither do they say that "homosexuals murder 16," unless it is relevant to the case (as it was with the Matthew Shepherd and Gianni Versace killings)]]


Except that Falwell (and his ilk) were complaining about the media NOT saying, "Fags murder 12 Christian children."

[[And Kbutcher said that "the media" was downlaying the issue.]]

Which suggests that he/she thought it was a significant part of the case that the evil "media" ignored to suit it's unwholesome agenda.

[[ How the hell did you get onto what people say in lockerrooms? Being a bit defensive? ]]


It relates to the idea that there should be some credibility placed on one high school clique's assertion that a clique they don't like is "gay." And I think that's interesting you suggest that the Voice is "defensive" about the subject. What do you think he or she might be being defensive about?

05-01-1999, 02:42 AM
I didn't mean to say that sexual preference is an issue. I was just trying to give some Ideas as to why Jerry Falwell thought they were gay.

05-01-1999, 10:03 AM
FURT SAYS:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Voice aren't you missing the point? No the papers don't say "Heterosexual murders 16," but neither do they say that "homosexuals murder 16," unless it is relevant to the case (as it was with the Matthew Shepherd and Gianni Versace killings)
And Kbutcher said that "the media" was downlaying the issue. How the hell did you get onto what people say in lockerrooms? Being a bit defensive?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Ahem...Why you would think that stating the obvious is "defensive" is beyond me. But, then I make the mistake of believing that you did think, in the first place. The facts are these -- whether a person is Gay or Hetero, has nothing to do with committing disgusting crimes. Whether they be Rape, Murder, Mass Murder or the biggie for Heteros, child molestation. And this first occurred to me way back in '81 or '82 when the "Atlanta Child Murders" were going on. During the trial, while watching GMA or some other morning show, the news caster said, "Wayne Williams denies he's homosexual." What the hell does that have to do with murdering little boys?...My point, and perhaps if you re-read my response you will get it, is if someone commits a horrible crime, I don't know what their sexuality has to do with it. Ted Bundy, for instance, who murdered women was never referred to as "Heterosexual Mass Murderer Strikes again"... But that scumball Jeffrey Dahmer was referred to as a homosexual in every thing printed or spoken about him. And although Heterosexuals are responsible for the vast majority of sex crimes (disproportianatly so) whether against adults or children...I have never seen "Heterosexual man rapes 5 year old girl". Yet read an article about any open homosexual...it is included in the article. Additionally, several years back, a male karate instructor abducted one of his young students. He took him to another state and raped him and molested him. They did catch him, the boy was returned. I won't say unharmed...obviously a child is sacred and not fodder for evil sexual deviants of any persuasion. What was very telling though, was that when the police brought him back, the father of the boy blew the kidnappers head off, in the airport. He was given a suspended sentence or probation....a very light sentence at any rate. A few years later, out west I believe, A HETEROSEXUAL man abducted and repeatedly raped a little girl. He was caught and during the trial taunted the girls mother. Finally, the woman blew his head off in court. She was and may still be, in prison. So, I guess if a heterosexual commits heinous acts against a child, it's not so bad. Is that your point?
As to Matthew Sheppard, you got your facts a bit twisted. Matthew was the victom and the Gay man...the deviants who tortured him were the Heterosexuals (ya know, so called normal)
Gianni Versace? If the murderer was constantly identified as a homosexual, then how come when a hetero shoots a hetero, its not newsworthy? It's simply reported as Joe Smith Murdered Bill Jones.So you help to make my point.
The point is that a person's sexual identity has nothing to do with whether or not they are murderers, child molesters, Senators, bus drivers or, heroes (as in the case of Oliver Sipples, a Gay man who saved the life of President Ford...and begged the media to keep his life private...they didn't)Barney Frank is always the Gay Congressman from Mass., Martina Navratilova is always the Lesbian tennis player. Greg Louganis lost out on a lot of endorsements...didn't even get the Wheaties box. Bob Packwood nor Bill Clinton are never referred to as the "Hetero Sexual predators"...everyone assumes that the world is hetero...unless told otherwise. That is arrogance. And if stating facts makes me defensive, Guilty. Please, just never assume I am a Heterosexual. And never assume that you know my beliefs or politics. Or do all Heteros dress, act, vote the same? Do you all wear the same clothes? Eat the same food? Watch the same movies? Vote for the same politicians???

05-01-1999, 10:36 AM
Let's keep this civil, OK?

My point about Shepherd WAS valid. Sexuality was an issue in that case (the killers being gay-haters) and it was in the Versace killing. So it was reported. In a run-of-the-mill murder, it's not, so it isn't.

It seems that your key problem is that you are upset that people notice sexuality. Maybe they shouldn't. But they do. If a dwarf kills his wife, the headline's gonna say "Dwarf murders wife," because people notice these things. If I get divorced nobody cares, but if Bruce Willis does it's front-page news in China. If you're different--dwarf, celebrity, gay, whatever--people will notice you. You can wish it wasn't that way, but it is, and always will be.

And many gay people can deal with that. Most of my gay freinds (yes I have them) sometimes even revel in their differentness. That's really the only thing you CAN do. For the large majority of recorded history, homosexuality has made the vast majority of heteros uneasy, and a few of them hostile. We can say they shouldn't, we can wish they didn't, but that's juat the way it is. Maybe it'll change someday. But something as seemingly deep-seated in human nature as this isn't going to change with a few hours of therapy or a freshman course on tolerance.

That's not to say that gays should be marginalized. Absolutely not. But to hope that someday something that far out of the ordinary--if its known--will never cause one problems is naive.

05-01-1999, 10:41 AM
My comments here are not in any way to be construed as a defense of Falwell. He is a smug detestable weasel, and bringing up the gay-or-not thing was wrong and irresponsible.

05-02-1999, 09:10 AM
>>>>>>>That's not to say that gays should be marginalized. Absolutely not. But to hope that someday something that far out of the ordinary--if its known--will never cause one problems is naive.

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Furt, I am niether uncivil nor naive. My point is it only seems germaine to mention a person is a homosexual when the story is negative,not as in the case of Gay Movie Star Wows 'Em! rather than George Micheal Arrested In Gay Sex Scandal! The fact that George Micheal is Gay is a bit superfluous.If there is a person that thought he was anything but...That's Naive! Ergo, using your logic, If he had had sex with a woman in a public toilet, THAT would have been the man bites dog story.
Sorry if I ruffled your feathers, it's simply so tiresome.

05-30-1999, 11:34 AM
When I first Asked this Question, my point was that this was probobly nothing more than the regular teasing that men/boys tend to do to one and other...Turns out, I was right. Neither of these two murdering slimeballs were Gay. So, where is Jerry The Anti-Christ Falwell's apology?
It's in my NRA, Republican Party, GOPAC, Newt Gingrich for Dictator donation...It's in the mail.
And I was castigated for stating it was most likely Don Imus type of chatter i.e. You're a 'mo!
You're a 'mo!
You're a fag!
No, you're a fag!
What a sorry state this world is in...

05-30-1999, 03:04 PM
"everyone assumes that the world is hetero...unless told otherwise"

I think you've revealed the reason why newspapers don't run headlines like "Heterosexual man rapes heterosexual woman." It doesn't need to be stated, because it's already assumed.

05-30-1999, 03:40 PM
Falwell is a creep.
You know, I read somewhere that he had sex with his mother in an outhouse.

05-31-1999, 10:49 AM
Voice replies: Howdy, CFQ!
And when we assume we make an ass out of u and …
(Never assume. Presume if you must.)
The Voice

Shhh! Nobody knows I’m a Lesbian! Mum’s the word…keep it in your garden.

05-31-1999, 04:24 PM
The story about Falwell having sex with his mother in an outhouse is from a Hustler advertisement parody. He tried to sue over it, but lost (if I remember correctly).

-Monte

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05-31-1999, 06:42 PM
I didn't mean to say that sexual preference is an issue. I was just trying to give some Ideas as to why Jerry Falwell thought they were gay.

Mm... Giving famous dead people attributes they did not earn while alive is a favorite pastime of the powerful people in America. And so is putting words into the dead's mouth. For the best damn example I can think of, go to www.godhatesfags.com . Find something about Matthew Shepard. Prepare to puke.

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05-31-1999, 09:17 PM
The story about Falwell having sex with his mother in an outhouse is from a Hustler advertisement parody. He tried to sue over it, but lost (if I remember correctly).
I see my crude attempt at subtle irony has failed.

Falwell is a first class A-hole. I wish I had pictures of him having sex with animals. Jesse Helms and Fred Phelps too, while we're at it.
What's up with Phelp's site recently? I first saw it two years ago and he had a neat piece of clip art showing two stick figures engaged in sodomy, inside one of those "No-Smoking"-type crossed-out circles. A caption under it said "FAG SIN". I wish I'd snatched that graphic while it was still up- he seems to have retired it. Now he's got a new one, an animated GIF that shows Mathew Shepard's face above a bunch of flames. It's supposed to show Phelp's vision of Shepard in "Dante's Gay Inferno", I guess. Apparently God doesn't need any work to be done for Him in Westboro, because Phelps seems to have nothing better to do than run around the country with his congregation like some homophobic Flying Dutchman, picketing gay people's funerals, riling people's sensibilities, and exhibiting himself as a piss-poor example of Christianity wherever he goes.

06-02-1999, 11:19 AM
Phelps seems to have nothing better to do than run around the country with his congregation like some homophobic Flying Dutchman, picketing gay people's funerals, riling people's sensibilities, and exhibiting himself as a piss-poor example of Christianity wherever he goes.

I said, quite facetiously, "How's old Fairy Jerry going to blame this on Homosexuality?" ...When he did it. The shooters were homosexual he said. Please, someone tell me it was a bad dream.

Ya know, as a Christian, it's people like this that make me ashamed that they carry the same name as I do! I think "Christian" is supposed to mean "Christ-like". I sure don't see the examples there.

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