Can anybody reach 0-16 this year?

[Wolverine]

The race is on to see if anybody can accomplish one of the most difficult feets in the NFL. Go 0-16. The Chargers came close last year but choked in the end.

Teams still eligible:

NFC - Washington, Detroit, Arizona, Dallas
AFC - Buffalo, Tennessee

Who has the fortitude, the grit, the determination to completely fail? Dallas should win a couple of games and Tennesse, Detroit, and Buffalo has been cursed with a sluggish offense. None of these looks like a legitimate contender with their offense possibly getting somewhat hot any given week.

Redskins and Arizona look completely terrible. Arizona had about ten minutes of promise against Denver on their first game but that quickly faded. I just can't see them making the distance to 0-16.

The Redskins, however, seem to be the legitimate contender. Nothing is working for them and I don't forsee any changes in their future. Detroit might fit into this category with their quaterback situation about as equally perilous as the Redskins. However, Detroit has had several key injuries on defense and when they return the defense could possibly win a game for them as long as the offense doesn't give up anther seven turnover game. I don't see that happening in Washington.

[Geobabe]

'Skins all the way, baby! (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=90098)

[SuperNova]

I disagree with yur statement "Dallas should win a couple of games." They looked vile against the Eagles last night. Right now I rank them on the top of the possibilities.

With three of the teams in the NFC East, obviously since they all play each other at least two of them must get wins. That is a shame, because I think they are the three worst teams of those still winless. It is possible all three manage to squeak out a win against one of the others, leaving no team winless... however, if I had to put money on one, I'd still say Cowboys.

[ShibbOleth]

Redskins, Cardinals and Cowboys all get to play each other twice, so could split and cancel each other out. Of course no one but the most dedicated fan will watch those two games. The Bills get to play the Patriots twice, plus a few other sucky teams so they will probably stumble into a win or two. Tennessee is not pathetic, just unbalanced, so they should win a couple if not many games, especially now that they realised they need a fullback and have picked one up in free agency.

That leaves Detroit. Since I don't know Detroits schedule I will leave that up to the Detroit folks. But I am guessing that Detroit will be one of those teams that always manages to win just enough to give their fans false hope.

Anyway, whoever is worst this year still picks second at the next draft. Houston, we have a problem...

[Superdude]

Cowboys. They've sucked all year, they have no quarterback, and with Smith being the only threat, it's easy to contain him. No real offensive line, everyone's old or hurt. Defense is good, but it's not enough.

[Omniscient]

I've already mentioned this in Gazoo's thread, but I'm pissed that the Bears are basically garunteed another ineffectual draft pick. They are always bad, but not bad enough to warrant that cherry top 5 pick. 3 wins will almost certainly put the Bears out of the top 5, 5 wins might put them out of the top 10. How pathetic is that? So, we can assume that we'll be looking at basically the same roster again next season......where the hell are we going to get a decent RB and QB?

Dallas should win a couple of games
Are you punch-drunk? Dallas is totally pathetic. Not a single QB on the roster who can come out and toss for 100 yards, let along enough to win. Emmitt, god willing, will probably get hurt somehow this season. Yeah, I know its mean but I don't want to see him break the record, ever And they have a defense like a sieve. If it weren't for how extraordinarily bad Washington and Arizona were, they'd be a lock for the number 2 pick. I can't see Washington or Dallas putting together a win, honestly, but they play each other twice....ugly. Arizona, while terrible, is eons ahead of these two teams. I think AZ is good enough to look really competitive against inferior teams. Granted this description doesn't make them sound good, they'll most certainly out-play Dallas and Washington IMHO. Plummer, Boston, and the rest of the Cardinal offense can be effective when they aren't under duress.

Tennessee is still an excellent team. They lost to a pair of good teams whoe played GREAT. Miami looked invincible in that game, and the healthy Jax team is one of the leagues most talented. Jax isn't healthy now, but I promise you that Tennessee will roll over Cincy and Cleveland with ease.

Assuming that the NFC East teams all manage to get one against each other, I'll look at the other contenders. Detroit and Buffalo. Both play in moderately solid divisions, and don't have a real playmaker who can bear down and win a game himself on sheer will.

Detroit's schedule:
St. Louis
at Minnesota
Tennessee
Cincinnati
at San Francisco
Tampa Bay
at Arizona
Green Bay
at Chicago
at Tampa Bay
Minnesota
at Pittsburgh
Chicago
Dallas

Note that last game, and also games against Cincy and Arizona. Not to mention the Norris is notorious for upsets in divisional rivalries. Sadly, I wouldn't call those Bear's matchups a lock either, even though they should be a comfortable favorite going against our D.

And here's Buffalo:
NY Jets
at Jacksonville
at San Diego
Indianapolis
at New England
Seattle
Miami
at San Francisco
Carolina
New England
at Atlanta
at NY Jets
at Miami

Not the toughest schedule you will ever see, but I see no games that a average team would call a gimme. The softest spots so far (based on injuries and recent performances) are the New England games, the Seattle game, Atlanta, and Carolina. On paper Buffalo will be at least a 4 point dog to all these teams.

If I had to put my money on any one of these teams to go winless, it would be Buffalo. If I had to pick any of these teams on a given week to line up against however, I'd pick Dallas. Dallas is the worst and least talented team in the league, but they play probably the worst schedule in the league too. Washington is horrible, but between the few talented players they have, and the coach's ability to squeeze a couple wins out against crappy teams, they most likely will get about 2 wins.

[GreatKingRat]

Detroit has got to be the front runner.Lions had a bye this week..they lost.
Interesting how Dallas and Detroit play the last week of the season.What kind of interest would that game generate if both 0-15 at the time?

[jk1245]

Originally posted by GreatKingRat
Detroit has got to be the front runner.Lions had a bye this week..they lost.
Interesting how Dallas and Detroit play the last week of the season.What kind of interest would that game generate if both 0-15 at the time?


you know they would end up in a 3-3 tie since neither team can do anything right.

[DynoSaur]

Originally posted by Omniscient
I've already mentioned this in Gazoo's thread, but I'm pissed that the Bears are basically garunteed another ineffectual draft pick. They are always bad, but not bad enough to warrant that cherry top 5 pick. 3 wins will almost certainly put the Bears out of the top 5, 5 wins might put them out of the top 10. How pathetic is that? So, we can assume that we'll be looking at basically the same roster again next season......where the hell are we going to get a decent RB and QB?




Well, to toss a minor hijack in here...

I hope Kittner's still around when the Bears pick and that they actually pick him. Hell, he's already running a more complex offense at Illinois than he would be with the Bears.

[Omniscient]

Dyno, I actually have been thinking that, but I don't dare say it out loud.....it is a deep year for QBs it seems in college. Although I'm not immediately sure how many are Seniors.

[Bricker]

Does anyone recall the heyday of the 80s and early 90s, when NFC East was synonymous with 'powerhouse'? The era of Gibbs, Ryan, Parcells? Washing had Doug Williams, and The Posse, and didn't know what 0 and anything meant.

Crap.

- Rick (still a Redskins fan, who enjoys reliving the Glory Days than facing reality)

[Omniscient]

I'm sure all those Washington fans are rejoicing that the Cowboys are so bad....and vice versa. Those guys like seeing the other team lose almost as much as their team winning. Its got to be some consolation.

[Second Echo]

Well, despite their win in the season opener, the Seattle Seahawks appear to be doing their darndest to go 0-16. :p

Damn they suck. At least we still have the Mariners...

[RTFirefly]

...is the Redskins.

Since Joe Gibbs left town, the Redskins have been completely snakebit against the Cowboys. They've lost when they should've lost, and they've lost when they shouldn't have.

In short, I have complete faith in the Redskins' ability to lose two to the Dallas Cowboys. I'm hard-pressed to remember the last time the 'Skins have beaten the Cowboys. (Any help here? The Redskins' official site was useless in this regard, as was NFL.com; both sites seem to think that you want this year, and nothing but. The Washington Post site used to have a history of the Redskins-Cowboys rivalry, but they've taken the link down.)

IMHO, the Redskins' best win opportunities are at home against the Seahawks on 11/4, and at home against the Cardinals on 1/6/02. I think they will lose the first, but in cold weather, the Cardinals may be just enough worse that the Redskins could pull out a win at the end.

If so, the terrorists will be to blame for ruining the perfection of the Redskins' season. :D

[Geobabe]

Originally posted by RTFirefly
...is the Redskins.
Exactly. The year the 'Boys went 1-15, the one team they beat? You guessed it. Now, that Dallas only won one game does mean the 'Skins managed to win the other game, but they suck way worse than that this year.

[astorian]

The Cowboys CAN go 0-16 this year, but NOT because they're terrible! Even terrible teams in the NFL usually have plenty of talented athletes, and can generally win 2-3 games.

Based on talent alone, I'd expect the Cowboys to go 4-12. But the Cowboys aren't just ANY bad football team... they're "America's Team," and other teams hate them with a passion!

Imagine, for a moment, that an ordinary bad team like, oh, the Bears is 0-13, late in the season. And the Bears are playing, say, the Phoenix Cardinals (who are 3-10) at Soldier Field. Under these circumstances, the Bears are very likely to win. Why? Because the Bears want to win desperately, and are going to pull out all the stops. The Cards, on the other hand, know their season is over, and aren't psyched up for this game at all. All the Cards want to do is finish out the season and go home. So, chances are, the Bears will eke out a win, and avoid the embarrassment of going 0-16.

But suppose the COWBOYS are 0-13, and playing the Cardinals at Texas Stadium. You think the Cards will roll over and die for the Cowboys? Guess again! The Cards HATE the Cowboys more than any other team... and that means the Cards will play that ONE game as if it were the Super Bowl! Sure, the following week, the Cards will be sluggish and apathetic again, but when they play the Cowboys, they'll try their hardest.

Remember 1989? The Cowboys went 1-15 that year. Now, they were bad, but NOT as bad as their record suggests. They probably SHOULD have gone 5-11 or so, given the easy schedule they played. But they went 1-15 precisely because even the patsy teams on their schedule were pumped up when they played against Dallas! Interestingly, negative emotion and hatred gave the Cowboys their only win that season. The one and only team the Cowboys were psyched up for, the ONE team they hated enough to get pumped up for, was the Redskins! And sure enough, the Cowboys managed to beat the Redskins (who were MUCH better than the Cowboys that year).

Emotion matters in the NFL, and THAT's why Dallas could easily go 0-16. Because even teams with no heart and no character will go all-out to whip "America's Team."


You see, when the Cardinals play an ordinary bad team (like, oh, the Bears) in a late-season game, the Cards don't get psyched up. They don't really care whether they win or lose. They just want to get the season over and go home.

[Xploder]

Ya know, I used to watch every damn Lions game until they started to tank every freakin' year! I certainly hope the Lions go 0-16 just so everyone here in Michigan knows how bad they screwed up trying to get them a new stadium...like the largest indoor stadium in the world wasn't good enough... :rolleyes:

[Wolverine]

After seeing this past weekend of football, Detroit has moved into my top spot for going 0-16. Arizona has pulled off a win and the other teams at least managed to score some points. Detroit's biggest offensive threat, their kicker Jason Hanson, was on the field for only one play. To kick off the ball at the beginning of the second half. Sick. If they manage to win a game this season I'll be impressed.

[iampunha]

Originally posted by RTFirefly
Since Joe Gibbs left town, the Redskins have been completely snakebit against the Cowboys. They've lost when they should've lost, and they've lost when they shouldn't have.

In short, I have complete faith in the Redskins' ability to lose two to the Dallas Cowboys. I'm hard-pressed to remember the last time the 'Skins have beaten the Cowboys. (Any help here? The Redskins' official site was useless in this regard, as was NFL.com; both sites seem to think that you want this year, and nothing but. The Washington Post site used to have a history of the Redskins-Cowboys rivalry, but they've taken the link down.)

I am not sure about this at all, but I think the 'skins beat the 'girls when the 'skins were 4-12.

[iampunha]

Originally posted by RTFirefly
Since Joe Gibbs left town, the Redskins have been completely snakebit against the Cowboys. They've lost when they should've lost, and they've lost when they shouldn't have.

In short, I have complete faith in the Redskins' ability to lose two to the Dallas Cowboys. I'm hard-pressed to remember the last time the 'Skins have beaten the Cowboys. (Any help here? The Redskins' official site was useless in this regard, as was NFL.com; both sites seem to think that you want this year, and nothing but. The Washington Post site used to have a history of the Redskins-Cowboys rivalry, but they've taken the link down.)

In 1995:

http://www.football-reference.com/teams/was1995.htm

Beat them 27-23 and 24-17.

In 1996, 1-1.
In 1997, 1-1.
In 1998, lost both.
In 1999, lost both.
In 2000, lost both.

So it would appear that my sophomore year of high school was the last time the 'skins beat the cowboys.

[The Big Cheese]

THe Cowgirls and the Lions are my odds on favorites this year. I woulda said Arizona but they went and ruined a possible perfect season.

[lurkernomore]

Originally posted by Omniscient

Note that last game, and also games against Cincy and Arizona. Not to mention the Norris is notorious for upsets in divisional rivalries.


Norris? They only play like they're on ice....

The Cowboys may win a couple. They play the Skinneds twice.

[Demise]

Have any of you that are talking trash about the Cowboys even watched one of their games? The Eagles spanked them, that's true. However, except for a handful of plays, the Cowboys could be 3-1 or 2-2, in spite of Jerry Jones sticking us with a running back at QB.

Fortunately, Carter seems to be injury prone, which means that Anthony Wright, who actually CAN throw the ball, has been playing. He almost beat the Raiders, that's for damn sure.

Like I said, 5 or 6 plays have made the difference for the Cowboys. Can you say the same for the Deadskins or the Lions?

BTW, the 'boys not only get to play Arizona and Washington twice, they also get to play Detroit. 5-11! Woohoo!

[RTFirefly]

I haven't been talking trash about the Cowboys, even though I haven't seen them. I've been reading the box scores, though, and their stats are merely not very good, as opposed to the sheer awfulness of the Redskins' numbers. (Which merely reflects their awfulness on the field.)

A week from now, only one of these two teams will be winless. My money continues to be on the Redskins to remain 0-fer, if anyone's interested. :)

Of course, there are three other winless teams. Got to admit, the Lions are pretty wretched, and could give the Deadskins a run for it.

[Milossarian]

Has everybody forgotten this same Lions team was 9-7 last year, and, if not for the last-game, last-quarter implosion against the Bears, would have made the playoffs for the second straight year?

I guess Matt Millen and Marty Morninghweg are taking the "tear it all down to build it back up again" approach. Only problem is, the personnel is virtually the same.

They pull Charlie Batch after one game, because Morning-wood "expects more out of the quarterback position in this offense." He puts in Ty Detmer, who throws 7 interceptions in one game, and keeps him as the starter the next week!

Then we all saw the Marty-go-round in the Monday night debacle against the Rams. Guess Batch is "good enough" again. (Did you notice how brain-dead and uninspired the Rams were playing? I think about 20 NFL teams would have beat them Monday. And the Lions still lost 35-0 to them.).

The week before, they became only the second team in NFL history to have 7+ turnovers and 15+ penalties in the same game. Yeah! The Lions rule the NFL in something!

The Lions seem to me to be the least prepared, least inspired, least innovative, sloppiest team in the NFL. I think Millen made a huge mistake with his coaching choice. I look at that schedule, and I don't see who they are going to beat.

Only the Lions could go 0-16 and not get the first pick in the following year's NFL draft. Only the Lions.

Barry, I'm beggin' ya. Please.

[Wolverine]

Each week another team stubles on to the quest of greatness. This week Dallas did all it could to prevent a win but in the end they remained victorious.

AFC: Buffalo
NFC: Detroit, Washington

My new favorite front runner, Washington. Their ineptitude was anguishing and heroic. Rarely have I seen a team perform without any idea what to do. The coaching staff doesn't seem to realize they have Stephen Davis and Michael Westbrook. While they are good (not great players), the rarely seem to get the ball.

I don't know Buffalo well enough to pass judgement but I can't see them going 0-16.

The Lions suprised me with their offense scoring three touchdowns on Sunday. I know it was against Minnesota but still that's more points than Dallas and Washington last night combined. If Detroits secondary ever heals, they could win a game. Especially with Arizona, Dallas, and Pittsburgh on the schedule near the end of the year.

Though I have a sinking feeling when Dallas heads out to the District of Columbia that the Redskins will be victorious. There might be no team this year that will accomplish the infamous goal. What a shame.

[RTFirefly]

Originally posted by Wolverine
My new favorite front runner, Washington. Their ineptitude was anguishing and heroic. Rarely have I seen a team perform without any idea what to do. The coaching staff doesn't seem to realize they have Stephen Davis and Michael Westbrook. While they are good (not great players), the rarely seem to get the ball.Somebody must've finally proven the Stephen Davis Existence Theorem to Schottenheimer's satisfaction, because Davis got 23 carries last night (as opposed to 12 last week against the Giants). But the MNF crew was wondering aloud - frequently and loudly - about Westbrook's virtual disappearance from the Redskins offense. (OK, he got the sole TD catch, but did Banks even throw in his general neighborhood the rest of the night? If he did, I missed it.

It seems that if you're in Marty's doghouse, he won't use you, even if he's forced to start you. That strikes me as a singularly dumb approach - the equivalent of "sure, I know their defense is going to play 11 guys, but I'll use just 10 on offense, because I'm pissed at Westbrook." I know (or assume, anyway) that Marty wants to trade Westbrook, but not only is Marty not going to win like that, but also Westbrook's trade value will be hurt.
The Lions suprised me with their offense scoring three touchdowns on Sunday. I know it was against Minnesota but still that's more points than Dallas and Washington last night combined.The Lions scored more points in that game than the Redskins scored in their first four games; they scored more TDs in that one fifteen-minute stretch than the Redskins have scored in all five games.

That doesn't mean the Lions are any good; I really do believe they're a pretty bad team. But it sure gives a sense of the Redskins' level of futility, doesn't it?
Though I have a sinking feeling when Dallas heads out to the District of Columbia that the Redskins will be victorious.The game to really worry about is the game that was postponed from 9/16 to 1/6: the home game against the Arizona Cardinals. Not only are they one of the worst teams that has won a game, but you gotta figure that the warm-weather Birds will have far more problems with the chill of a D.C. January than the Redskins will.

If that game had been played as originally scheduled, it would have made the prospect of 0-16 almost plausible. But the 'Skins could go winless in 2001, yet win a game in the 2001 season.

[GreatKingRat]

GO LIONS!!!!






















and take the tigers with you.

[iampunha]

Originally posted by RTFirefly
If that game had been played as originally scheduled, it would have made the prospect of 0-16 almost plausible. But the 'Skins could go winless in 2001, yet win a game in the 2001 season.

Not anymore, bayby! (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=211021028)

[Wolverine]

Detroit Lions

They are the sole winless team left. And to tell you the truth, they seem a little shaky to go 0-16. Not that I don't have great confidence that they will only win 1 or 2 games the entire season but winless just seems to be to big an accomplishment. Especially when the offense has over three hundred yards passing and three touchdowns in each of the past two games. Going into the season I thought the defense would be mediocre to good and the offense pitiful. Now, the offense is what's keeping them in the games and nothing is what it seems.

I'll be faithful each week to either rejoice in another loss or to put to death this thread which shows how miserable some teams are.

[NothingMan]

Actually losing Crowell for the season may help Detroits attempt at the goose egg.

Now here's a question for you . . . at what point does a coach say "ah screw it" and just decide to try for that #1 pick ? Just kidding of course. Actually with the expansion draft next year, the worst team from this year won't even get the dignity of having the first pick. Its a bad bad season to be flirting with winlessness.

My pick ? Detroit still finishes with 2 wins and the Redskins don't win another game.

[jk1245]

Leave it to the Foreskins to screw up their one chance at NFL immortality. They alone were bad enough to make a run at it. Inept offense, defense, special teams, and coaching.

Sadly, I see the Lions winning at least one game this year. I fear the winless season will not be attained

[Wolverine]

The best thing that happened this week was that Detroit had a blackout of the Lions game. They were spared the humiliation of watching their team reach 0-6. However, the Lions are on the road next week at San Fransisco. Not only will there be a loss for 0-7, Detroit fans will be able to watch it on TV.

Oh well, it's just a waiting game now. #2 pick here we come.

[Wolverine]

Another week, another loss. The Lions are looking more like perfection each week. There are only four games that scare me. At Arizona, Green Bay on Thanksgiving Day, Minnesota at home, and Dallas at home. Tampa Bay could always choke against the Lions and lose but I don't see it happening.

[RTFirefly]

The Lions are almost starting to make a believer out of me. :)

[Wolverine]

Nothing new this week. Lions lose in typical style. Always near the end of the game when either the offense needs to score a thouchdown and fails, or in this game the defense needs to hold and allows the opponent to score.

Only halfway there at 0-8, still a long road to go.

[JuanDeCuba]

Do college teams count? I think my school could make it if the NCAA lets us schedule another 5 games :(

[Wolverine]

Hope is still alive. I was wondering about how Detroit would do against the hapless Arizona Cardinal's but in the end I had nothing to worry about. After a great defensive battle, 38-45, Arizona came out on top.

0-9 with seven games left.

[KimKatt]

Knock, knock.


Who's there?


Owen.


Owen who?


0 and 9.



The most popular joke in Detroit today.









<sigh>..............

[Kamikazee]

Originally posted by Wolverine
Hope is still alive. I was wondering about how Detroit would do against the hapless Arizona Cardinal's but in the end I had nothing to worry about. After a great defensive battle, 38-45, Arizona came out on top.

0-9 with seven games left.

If you give a monkey a typewriter he / it will eventually spell a real word. In the same fashion the Lions will no doubt win a game this year, but they will probably be just as amazed / oblivious as the monkey on the typewriter.

Gotta love the underdog.:D

[Jet Jaguar]

If there's one thing I've learned growing up in Detroit it's that the Lions are the most consistently disappointing team in the NFL. Therefore, there's no chance they'd go 0-16. They will somehow manage to screw up their perfect record with a win.

[broccoli!]

Woahwoahwoahwoahwoah, slow down there, Jet Jaguar. If there's any pro team that has consistantly dissapointed their fans it's the Cleveland Browns. I should know, they're my team. In fact, they've been bad so long that it's kind of dissappionting to be seeing them win. We LIKE seeing Cleveland struggling. It's what they're there for. Although I do have to give them props for luring Butch Davis away (Miami is my college team, Go 'Canes!).



and yeah, for being the in NFC Central Detroit really blows. Isn't this the black-and-blue division? I thought you were only as good as the teams you play? If this was the case, Detroit should be at least at .500.
hrm Oh well, I hope they go all the way to bagel and 16 :) They'll get some nice draft picks then. Unlike the BUCS who have nine damn pro bowlers on their team and are 4-5. :rolleyes:

Sad, sad, sad.

[Mahaloth]

Originally posted by Jet Jaguar
If there's one thing I've learned growing up in Detroit it's that the Lions are the most consistently disappointing team in the NFL. Therefore, there's no chance they'd go 0-16. They will somehow manage to screw up their perfect record with a win.

Jet is right. I also live near Detroit and agree.

They will let us all down, but probably won't go 1-15 because then we could at least say they tied the worst record. They will go 2-14 and be totally forgotten and irrelevant.

After they went 0-6, I've been hoping beyond hope to see them go all the way to 0-16.

[Milossarian]

I don't think you are appropriately in awe of a team that will lose within 7 points of whatever type of game the opponent wants to play.

Only scoring 20? We'll score 17.

Scoring 45? We'll score 38.

I can easily envision a showdown on the last week of the season, the makeup game at home against the Cowboys, with an 0-15 Lions team.

Watch them ruin it in that game. Maybe the fans will tear down the goalposts.

[Ennui]

broccoli!??? Through the 99 season, and includeing AAFC records which the NFL considers official, the Browns have the best lifetime winning percentage in the leauge.

But as to the 0 and 16 thing, the Ravens could have done it, if they would have played 16 games against Cleveland. :p

[jab1]

I wonder if the NFL will seriously consider changing the Thanksgiving tradition and have some other teams besides Dallas and Detroit play. Most of the time, Detroit and Dallas have provided some memorable games, but I just don't see it happening this time.

OTOH, the Detroit game has a long, long history (http://www.profootballhof.com/history/1930s/thanksgiving.cfm) and the league will probably just grit its teeth and hope for the future.

[broccoli!]

Ennui That's my point. They're one of the oldest teams around if you ignore that Baltimore/moving/"i'm-going-to-kill-Art-in-a-dark-alleyway" crap. and how many super bowl rings do they have? Zero. Cleveland has one championship from before the NFL. Actually come to think of it Ohio has 4 of the 13 championships before the NFL was around, and the first one ever was the Akron Pros (my home city! Go Akron!). I digress. My whole point is, with a city so rich in football history you'd think they could DO something.

Well, maybe this year. (The official sports motto of all Clevelands pro sports teams)

;)

[broccoli!]

oh yeah, and a worse hijak than my earlier one... (sorry Wolverine)

Fact:
1899
Chris O'Brien formed a neighborhood team, which played under the name the Morgan Athletic Club, on the south side of Chicago. The team later became known as the Normals, then the Racine (for a street in Chicago) Cardinals, the Chicago Cardinals, the St. Louis Cardinals, the Phoenix Cardinals, and, in 1994, the Arizona Cardinals. The team remains the oldest continuing operation in pro football.

Yeah they suck, but what a history. :D

[broccoli!]

OOPS

My bad, I was thinking of Cleveland before the formation of the NFL in that post. The one championship/no superbowl was from 1964: The Browns won the division title with a 52-20 victory over the Giants and captured the NFL championship with a 27-0 win over the Colts.

Once again, my bad.

[Wolverine]

0-10 Six left to go.

What a close one. I think Detroit is the new heart attack team over Chicago for this year. The past six games have been within a touchdown, yet each week Detroit comes up big in the clutch. Rarely, have I seen a team with so much heart be able to pull off the big ones in order to reach perfection. To think, Detroit actually had a chance to win or tie at the end of the game for six weeks but still fail is something glorious to behold. I'm on this bandwagon all the way now.

[RTFirefly]

Originally posted by Milossarian
I don't think you are appropriately in awe of a team that will lose within 7 points of whatever type of game the opponent wants to play.

Only scoring 20? We'll score 17.

Scoring 45? We'll score 38.
Scoring 29? The Lions will score 27.

Ya nailed that one, Milo! :)

[Wolverine]

0-11 Five left to go.

I'm getting more and more depressed with each game instead of happier. I thought perfection might cheer me up but to see how hard they're trying and how close the games are I'm beginning to want them to win. Nobody should ever have to suffer an 0-16 season.

[Kamikazee]

Their Q-B is out for the season. Any opinion if this will help or hurt? They were so close AGAIN!! Shanked the field goal AGAIN!!

[mrblue92]

"Detroit Lions football practice was delayed today for two hours. One of the players, while on his way to the locker room, happened to look down and notice a suspicious-looking, unknown white powdery substance on the practice field. Head Coach immediately suspended practice while
the FBI was called in to investigate.

"After a complete field analysis, the FBI determined that the white substance unknown to the players was the goal line.

"Practice was resumed when FBI Special Agents decided that the team would not be likely to encounter the substance again."