View Full Version : Civilization III Is Coming Out!
RickJay
10-05-2001, 10:17 AM
Civilization almost caused bmy Dad and I to miss Christmas dinner.
Civilization II darn near caused me to flunk universitry. IT's eight years old and I still play it.
But soon! Only a month away:
CIVILIZATION 3!!!!! (http://civ3.com)
There's spunk in my bunk!
Sid Meier, the great video game genius, is at the helm once again. It look utterly, amazingly awesome. They're improving it in exactly the manner I was hoping.
I'm already trying to determine how I can quit my job so I can play it full time. If I never leave the house, I don't need a car. I don't incur travel expenses. Technically I wouldn't even need to have any clothes. Can it be done? Perhaps.
Folks, this game is going to be an obsession for millions. I just can't wait.
Munch
10-05-2001, 10:19 AM
If I were you (or if you were me, but I don't think that works as well), I'd spend the next month stockpiling on unperishables. I'm also thinking about either getting a colostomy bag installed, or setting up a peripheral station in my bathroom.
Tranquilis
10-05-2001, 10:22 AM
Oh, great. More lost sleep.
Thanks, Sid. :p :D
I'm a pathetic man.
I'm preparing for Civilization 3. How am I preparing, you may ask?
I've picked up a small dorm-sized fridge, and moved it into my computer room. I've put a fold-out couch in there, so I don't have to walk the twenty feet to my own bed. I've even arranged for a week of vacation time in November, ostensibly to head out east, but realistically to play Civ3. I'm even considering custom-building one of those toilet-recliners that Homer invented in the Edison Simpsons episode.
(I still play the original 1991 DOS version, too...)
My main complaint about the last two, and my sincere wish for #3, is that we will be able to raze and destroy cities that we conquer. To hell with the diplomatic fallout - I'm sick of invading a weaker civ, conquering a city, and then them somehow conquering it right back and sneaking an advanced tech out from under my nose. When I invade their continent, I'm coming to wipe 'em all out...
Zaphod Beeblebrox
10-05-2001, 10:29 AM
Civ 3?
I always thought that Alpha Centauri and Call To Power were sort of both competing for the Civilization III title.
Oh well.. can't wait to see it. If Sid Meier's behind it, it's going to be great stuff.
iampunha
10-05-2001, 10:30 AM
Fuck. Just enough time for me to beat Hell mode with my barbarian. And a new game will come out soon thereafter.
Not that I'm mad, mind you. I spent entirely too long playing civ2. It's still ultimately my favorite game ever.
Thrasybulus
10-05-2001, 10:40 AM
Woo Hoo! I knew they were working on it but didn't know it would be out in the near future. I can tell you from experience, I actually looked forward to a mind numbingly boring 28 hours of flight time from LA to Sydney and then back because I brought my laptop with Civilization II loaded on it! I never get that big a block of time to play any more.
Zaphod Beeblebrox
10-05-2001, 10:50 AM
As a slight hijack...
Has anyone played the extended version of Civ II? I mean the one where you keep playing after you reach Alpha Centauri, and get to colonize the new planet as well.
Maeglin
10-05-2001, 10:56 AM
Have pity on me. The spirit is willing to turn around, walk away, and never play any Civ-related game again.
But the flesh, oh, the flesh, is so weak!
SDMB internet Civ3 game, perhaps?
Ike Witt
10-05-2001, 10:59 AM
I pre-ordered CivIII about a month ago. I anxiously await its arrival. An on line Civ tournament sounds like a cracking good idea.
Originally posted by Maeglin
SDMB internet Civ3 game, perhaps?
You are SO on.
Tranquilis
10-05-2001, 11:14 AM
FEAR my internet Civ! My economy will bury you! My happy minions will ignore the blandishments of your propaganda machine! My mighty armies will conquer your cities, and my enlightened policies will make your citizens rush to my call!
You guys are ON!
Originally posted by Tranquilis
FEAR my internet Civ! My economy will bury you! My happy minions will ignore the blandishments of your propaganda machine! My mighty armies will conquer your cities, and my enlightened policies will make your citizens rush to my call!
Fuck that shit.
I'm burning your towns and salting your earth.
Tranquilis
10-05-2001, 11:29 AM
[Emperor Cuzco]
Bring it on.
[/Emperor Cuzco]
Just sent an email to the Civ3 team asking if we can destroy cities. I just want to shout "CARTHAGO DELENDA EST!" and click 'raze city'.
I hope I didn't come off too strongly in that email...
RickJay
10-05-2001, 12:09 PM
SDMB Civ 3 game: I'm in.
I read more of the new features today. Folks, this is going to be the greatest game in PC gaming history.
Originally posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox
Civ 3?
I always thought that Alpha Centauri and Call To Power were sort of both competing for the Civilization III title.
Oh well.. can't wait to see it. If Sid Meier's behind it, it's going to be great stuff.
Well, I don't know anything about Alpha Centauri, but Civilization: Call to Power was not endorsed in any way by Sid Meier, and I think Activision got in a lot of legal trouble for putting the Civilization name on their game. (which, BTW, is no where near as good as Civ II, you can't even view the cities!) You might not have noticed, but Activision made a Call to Power II, but didn't put the civilization name on it.
Eliahna
10-05-2001, 12:39 PM
Yer!
I knew it was coming, but I forgot it was so soon. I love Civ III!!
Mr Cazzle and I used to kick back and play network Civ II over whole weekends. Friends knew not to visit, cause we weren't budging out of the computer room for anything. Thermos of tea and packet of dry biscuits to sustain us, we'd start Friday night and play until the wee small hours. The next two days, we'd wake and go straight back to the computers, finishing up late Sunday night. Ahh, those were the days :)
Civ III is going to be a blast! We so cannot wait for Civ III marathons!!
Flypsyde
10-05-2001, 01:11 PM
My ultimate wish is for this game to have a savable multiplayer mode-my friends and I cannot lock ourselves down for three-day marathons like true Civ players.
My penultimate wish is for there to be a bonus for building/conquering all the wonders. Double-extra bonus points if you can do it all in one city. Many are the attempts by me to build Washington DC, City of Wonders.
Civ III is coming - excellent!
But Heroes of Might and Magic 4 is also due about the same time?
Luckily I've got 2 computers!
Tranquilis
10-05-2001, 02:39 PM
<city> DELENDA EST
Heh! That could quickly become a favorite command...
Exactly!
I'm more of a perfectionist than an expansionist- I like to improve my cities as best I can rather than spread. My ideal circumstance finds me on a small island or continent, so I can peacefully build my cities without interference from other civilizations.
Then, once I've built everything, it's go-time, baby. Shift everything to a war economy and start pumping out those tanks and bombers, and then it's conquest-of-the-world. However, I hate taking cities! They have few improvements, the terrain has no irrigation or mining, and they're frequently on the verge of revolt after I conquer them! It would be SO much easier to just wipe them all out.
Why won't Sid let me fulfill this bloodlust? I mean, I'm already declaring war on the world, and he introduced the concept of 'Atrocities' to Alpha Centauri, so JUST LET ME RAZE THE DAMN CITY AND SALT THE EARTH ALREADY.
Maeglin
10-05-2001, 03:27 PM
lno, I firmly believe that we were separated at birth.
My playing style is precisely the same. I like to settle archipelagos and leave conventional warfare to the AI gnomes I play with. I concentrate on science and on creating the most aesthetically perfect cities as possible. I even build a handful of crappy cities with the sole purpose of caravanning my beauties to speed up wonder production.
By the end of the game, I am defending my cities with tanks and my enemies are using riflemen. With a ton of cash in my pocket I switch to fundamentalism. Then the fun begins in earnest.
Tranquilis
10-05-2001, 03:54 PM
Now, I'm going to give away too much info with this, but:
I'm a little different. I expand rapidly, consistant with keeping my cities well defended. I build roads. I explore as fast as I can, and establish as many embassies as possible. I let economies of scale rev-up my economic outlook, as my population grows by leaps and bounds, and I concentrate on keeping my folk happy and productive. Once the population is sufficently large, and I have more than a handful of cities cranking out powerful military units, I go Facist, and roll out. I've taken the whole world by storm while still using musketeers and facists. I believe in big, fast economies, building my forces, then blitzkrieg. I fuel my expansion by pacifying and incorporating new cities into my structure, so once I get moving, I accellerate quickly.
I build Wonders, but I'm sellective, and I'm perfectly happy capturing someone else's Wonder. They paid for it, but now I have the benefit! Bwah-hahahaha..!
Thrasybulus
10-05-2001, 04:24 PM
Never underestimate the power of my diplomats and spies to simply BUY YOUR CITIES! Ah, the benefits of a huge economy.
SuaSponte
10-05-2001, 04:53 PM
Me, I'm a Navy guy. I look for a moderate size continent, fight a quick 'n' dirty early war if I'm sharing it with someone else, and pump out the science so that my military technology is higher than anyone else's. I also find a mineral-rich site on a coast and plant a city there. I build Sheakespeare's Theatre in that city, and make it my naval/military storehouse.
In early times, I buy off potential enemies (with cash, never with tech), or fight defensive actions. Once I get the ironclad, however, it's fighting time. Out of my Sheakespeare coastal city, I pump out naval units and transports, and take over enemy ports. At first this is primarily defensive - if they don't have a port, they can't invade me.
Sua
damn,
the original Civ was probably the first PC game I was really addicted to. I recently started playing CIV 2 again and while looking at sites about it came across the info that CIV 3 was coming out. I haven't anticipated a game this much since....ok, well since Diablo 2 but still, its not the amount of time that matters. I can't wait for this game.
As far as general CIV strategy, I always play on real maps. usually the full world map, for me its just not as much fun otherwise. I also never randomize positions, I'm all for realism. I like to choose the Celts and cover the entire British Isles with roads, irrigation and cities(hey just like real life!) that way I can get powerful without competition(after I kill off the English if necessary) and then expand to the continent. Even if I have an unsuccessful continental campaign, I have my base to fall back on. plus my heavily fortified Islands are hard as hell to invade.
Michael Ellis
10-05-2001, 05:17 PM
Shit, there goes my College GPA.
I'm enamored with trade routes myself, and building missile silos on small islands in the middle of the ocean. God what fun that is.
There was one Civ1 game that was a naval-wargame, with nothing else. It was great. I had a small continent- maybe eight cities max, and at least six of those were ports- and once I hit modern tech I flooded the seas with submarine wolfpacks. The other civs had dozens upon dozens of sails, frigates, and the occasional trireme floating around, and I just had a field day.
I ended up blockading every port with three subs and waiting for them to try to sneak units out- one time, one of them rushed five sails out in one turn, all loaded with units, and one of them slipped past my blockade. I ended up dispatching a carrier with sixteen bombers on it to hunt for it.
(I felt so proud when I figured that out- in Civ1, a carrier could only hold eight units, but bombers had the ability to spend one turn in flight ... so I'd cycle the flight groups, launching one, landing the other, moving the carrier, repeating. I wet my pants with the airbase option in Civ2. Loved building one on Corsica and letting dozens of aircraft rain hell on Europe.)
Lodrain
10-05-2001, 05:27 PM
Dear lord, it's coming! My sleep habits just grew wings and flew away.
Me, I modify my game to the point of unrecognisability. So a huge, online slugfest is out of the question. Unfortunate. Maybe I should scrabble out an organised modpack, so that if I ever have the wish to play against others, I may slaughter them with my crazy, dreamed-up weapons (armoured bears, zeppelins, civilisations I came up with from the top of my head...).
Neidhart
10-05-2001, 07:24 PM
I just hope it has SMAC's different levels of unit quality, from Very Green up to Elite. SMAC has spoiled me!
Originally posted by bouv
Originally posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox
Civ 3?
I always thought that Alpha Centauri and Call To Power were sort of both competing for the Civilization III title.
Oh well.. can't wait to see it. If Sid Meier's behind it, it's going to be great stuff.
Well, I don't know anything about Alpha Centauri, but Civilization: Call to Power was not endorsed in any way by Sid Meier, and I think Activision got in a lot of legal trouble for putting the Civilization name on their game. (which, BTW, is no where near as good as Civ II, you can't even view the cities!) You might not have noticed, but Activision made a Call to Power II, but didn't put the civilization name on it.
Actually, Activision was legally entitled to use the Civilization name from some earlier lawsuits that went around before Hasbro ended up with all the rights. The only trouble Activision got into was having a mediocre game. The full name for Alpha Centauri was actually Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri altough I don't think he had as much to do with it as the early Civ games, it was mostly Brian Reynolds.
I just wish he would do an update to Railroad Tycoon. That was a great game.
Cap'n Crude
10-05-2001, 09:42 PM
The funny thing about Civ and Civ II, is that they were voyeuristic experiences for me. I never much cared to play them myself, but I'd very happily kibbitz while my GF/housemate/whomever played until dawn. Go figure.
White Lightning
10-05-2001, 10:10 PM
I too have been looking forward to this for months. You guys say you played CivII for years? I still play it. More frequently than any other computer game.
Originally posted by Maeglin
SDMB internet Civ3 game, perhaps?
YES YES YES YES!! Count me IN. We may have too many people for 1 game. Perhpas we should just go ahead and suggest to the Mods/Admin that they make another forum for us now....
Smeghead
10-06-2001, 12:06 AM
Coooome to me, Thanksgiving vacation, cooooome....
Originally posted by White Lightning
YES YES YES YES!! Count me IN. We may have too many people for 1 game. Perhpas we should just go ahead and suggest to the Mods/Admin that they make another forum for us now....
I think we're only around 10-ish people who have expressed interest. In the old-fashioned Civs, that'd be too much, true ...
..but word on the street is that Civ3 supports up to 16 civs at once.
Boo-fucking-yeah.
Tranquilis
10-06-2001, 09:38 AM
::dusting off old war plans::
This is going to be the most twisted, devious, bloody train-wreck of a game, ever.
I can't wait!
I wonder if we can record it, so we can play it back, sort of a God's-eye movie, after the dust settles?
Hugh Jass
10-06-2001, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by Lok
I just wish he would do an update to Railroad Tycoon. That was a great game. [/B]
Are you aware of Railroad Tycoon II? Sid Meier didn't do it, but it's a pretty neat game.
I checked out the CivIII website. Wow. This game is going to kick so much ass. Cultural victories. Vastly expanding diplomacy. Automatic trade routes.
I'm ever so excited.
SouthernStyle
10-06-2001, 12:25 PM
Another CIV fan here. I've invested many many hours, both at home and at work, building and destroying those lovely civilizations.....
My biggest complaint with the original game is that it doesn't work well when run out of a DOS window. The graphics timers aren't always set correctly when the game starts so animations are painnnnnfffffuuullllyyyyyyy slow. (The game does reset them at the first combat.)
Er... Excuse me but i need to go catch up on my sleep. Perhaps then I'll be able to stay awake from November 1 through the start of the new year. ;)
lenin
10-06-2001, 01:14 PM
Arrrg.. I love playing insular, but why is it that whenever another civilization gets Navigation, they have to plop their sorry ass on my island? Anyone who does this shouldn't be surprised when I still every last bit of technology I don't have and then drop nuclear bombs on their largest cities.
I guess I'm a little touchy about the subject.
Eternal
10-06-2001, 02:34 PM
On the subject of multiplayer, it will not be included in the initial release.
Meleemancer
10-06-2001, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by lno
My main complaint about the last two, and my sincere wish for #3, is that we will be able to raze and destroy cities that we conquer. To hell with the diplomatic fallout - I'm sick of invading a weaker civ, conquering a city, and then them somehow conquering it right back and sneaking an advanced tech out from under my nose. When I invade their continent, I'm coming to wipe 'em all out...
If you haven't already gotten a response to this, you'll be happy to know that yes, you can eliminate conquered cities with the push of a button. :D Cite: CivFanatics forums (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=df2ffccae9b1c7f7d1677bc9592f85d9&threadid=5697). Scroll down a screen or two to see it.
Originally posted by Neidhart
I just hope it has SMAC's different levels of unit quality, from Very Green up to Elite. SMAC has spoiled me!
Just three levels of unit experience, from what I've heard. One more than in Civ2, but it's going to feel like a small step back for us SMAC players. I also don't know how I'm going to live without the brilliant government and logical terraforming systems, but hey. It's Civ. I think I'll manage. :D
All of the Civ3 information that's out there, in one easy-to-read package, can be found here.
http://www.civfanatics.com/civ3infocenter.shtml
And if, for some twisted, fanboyish reason, you want to keep up on breaking Civ3 news, well you can find that here. Not that I visit that site religiously or anything. Nuh-uh, not me.
http://apolyton.net/civ3/
Smeghead
10-06-2001, 03:51 PM
I'm not sure I should mention this to my dad. The night before his oldest daughter's wedding, he stayed up until 4 am playing Civ II.
Michael Ellis
10-06-2001, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by Mind gamer
If you haven't already gotten a response to this, you'll be happy to know that yes, you can eliminate conquered cities with the push of a button. :D Cite: CivFanatics forums (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=df2ffccae9b1c7f7d1677bc9592f85d9&threadid=5697). Scroll down a screen or two to see it.
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The Palace from Civ1 is back? YIPPEE!
White Lightning
10-06-2001, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by Eternal
On the subject of multiplayer, it will not be included in the initial release.
Are you sure? I thought I recalled reading somewhere that the game will ship with basic multiplayer support, but that they are planning to do more work on that and work out some more complex and exciting multiplayer modes to be released after the initial shipping date.... But I could be wrong. And of course I have no evidence.
Unix Geek
10-06-2001, 08:06 PM
Concerning multiplayer ... this is what the official Civ3 site says from the FAQ last updated in August:
Will there be multiplayer support for Civ III?
We're working on some unique things with multiplayer, but we're not ready to start talking about it yet. It has always been challenging to make multiplayer really fun in turn-based games and we're looking at new ways of approaching that.
But more importantly count me in for the SDMB death match. May your cities glow .... with radiation!!
Monster104
10-06-2001, 08:36 PM
Me and my friend are preparing a brand new system specifically for gaming (Have any of you heard of nVIDIA's new graphics chip?).
This is going in his garage, which will be networked to cable.
And I'm soooo going to flunk college.
DeadlyAccurate
10-07-2001, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by glee
Civ III is coming - excellent!
But Heroes of Might and Magic 4 is also due about the same time?
Luckily I've got 2 computers!
Nah, Heroes 4 was moved to Q1, 2002.
http://www.gonegold.com/roadtogold/strategy/index.shtml
Michael Ellis
10-07-2001, 12:52 AM
If I start muttering about "strawh-burysh" and the like, it'll be a sign that I've either purchased <i>The Caine Mutiny</i> on DVD, or that SSI's new game <i>Destroyer Commander</i> has hit the shelves.
Either way, I'll be warming up my Cap'n Queeg persona.
Michael Ellis
10-07-2001, 12:53 AM
Damn! Screwed up the coding! Moderator to eisle 9!
Atreyu
10-07-2001, 02:29 AM
I swear that Sid Meier produces the closest thing to the digital form of crack I've ever seen. I've been known to play Civ2 and Alpha Centauri for an entire day. From sunrise to sunset.
Looks like I'm about to lose more free time. :)
sc913
10-07-2001, 02:34 AM
Because of this thread I've now re-installed Alpha Centauri, and it's as addictive as ever.. can't wait for Civ III!!
I wish someone would discover a way humans can use photosynthesis in the next month or so.. Imagine that, just sitting in the sun the whole day, playing Civ.
S.
sturmhauke
10-07-2001, 03:24 AM
Count me in for the worldwide destruction derby. My strategy is somewhat like Tranquilis', but I take a more defensive stance. I have each city build as many settlers/engineers as it can support without trashing its production, then set them loose doing massive improvements and fortifications. When I get industrialized, I keep large armies on hand to occupy the forts at the first sign of attemted invasion. If I am trying to do my own invasion, I take over a few cities at once then use airports to do massive troop transports from my home cities.
Kantalooppi
10-07-2001, 04:05 AM
Well, I've been member of Apolyton Civilization Site forums (http://apolyton.net/forums) for three years, I've followed news about Civ3 the day the rumours of it coming started, I contributed to The List (when us, the fans, organized and put together a 500+ page document chock full of Civ3 suggestions for Firaxis to peruse and I organized the Religion section), so yes, you could say I might have slightly positive feelings when it comes to buying, possibly playing Civ3. A pity it appears later in Europe than in America and I have to hear all the good stuff about it from gloating Americans before I get a chance to play it.
And since I can't stop advertising Apolyton Civilization Site forums (http://apolyton.net/forums), you can use the Civ3 forums for your feature-related questions. There's bound to be someone who can confirm that the feature you've been wishing since Civ1 is in (or isn't, because it wouldn't have been fun or practical.) With luck, you can even catch a member of elusive Civ3 team.
nightshadea
10-07-2001, 06:13 AM
One big improvement is the concept of borders which ive been waiting for forever becuase I'm tired in civ 2 of other civs parking theit units in the middle of my roads and making things impossible!
In fact I hope they redo a lot of the structure of the game like in democracy 2 turns you have unrest in a city and the goverment falls ?
Or say early in the game i come across a foregin unit they surround my unit and dont allow it to move until a war or they disband it
And they should give the settlers some defense on the civ 2 multiplayer gold edition you can put your units on auto but when being invaded they wont move and they get killed
And although in the original civ 2 they say they corrected this its still possible for a crusader to kill a rifleman now I dont know if thats becuase I use quick battle or not
If anyone does want a online civ 2 game let me know I quit using the gaming zones becuase they used a cheat program and I just didnt like the style of play that was typical on the networks
But theres a few tweaks they need to make but ive listed the major ones I'd like
Actually there was a lawsuit on who owned the trademark civilization since it was owned by avalon hill on one of their board games ( ehich civ is loosley based on )
between them sid meyer and hasbro ( who in my opinion trashed the atari and mprose trademark) which is why sid couldnt use the civ name on alpha centari and hasbro couldnt use it on call to power 2 but its all been settled out of court
SouthernStyle
10-07-2001, 10:03 AM
One of the greatest things that a new Civ game could do is to actually PLAY the opposing civilizations according to the same rules imposed on the player. Having a phalanx pillage your irrigation or having a battleship bombard your shore the same turn that the civilization discovers steel is a bit irritating.
But it's still the best game out there!!!
Originally posted by SouthernStyle
One of the greatest things that a new Civ game could do is to actually PLAY the opposing civilizations according to the same rules imposed on the player. Having a phalanx pillage your irrigation or having a battleship bombard your shore the same turn that the civilization discovers steel is a bit irritating.
Good point, that. Sid has gone on record saying that enemy triremes aren't subject to the 50% sinkage risk by going away from shore- he wanted to ensure that contact would be made with overseas civs before the Age of Sail- but IMO, all that ensures is that you get invaded by someone you can't fight back against.
Checking the Civ-specific attributes (find it here (http://www.civ3.com/devupdate_civspecific.cfm), specifically the java popup linked in the column) makes me realize that I'd probably be best-suited to the Persians or the Greeks - and MAYBE the Germans, Chinese, and Romans - and definitely not the Iroquois. Just not my style.
23 more days ...
John Corrado
10-08-2001, 03:40 PM
Gaius Aelius Corradius, leader of the Roman Empire, shall return to full glory.
Originally posted by John Corrado
Gaius Aelius Corradius, leader of the Roman Empire, shall return to full glory.
And as I march my conquering armies through the wastes of the glory that was Rome, I shall mutter to myself, "Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair."
Nah, nah.
I'm just eager for some good ol' fashioned conquest. :D
Johanna
10-14-2001, 10:12 PM
I'm a Civ pre-newbie, hoping you grizzled veterans won't mind a very elementary question.
I always wanted to play Civilization. But I haven't even gotten Civ II yet. So can I just buy Civ III OtS (off the shelf) and start from there? Or does it depend on already having Civ II installed and upgrading from there?
I was looking to buy Civilization a couple years ago; all I could find on amazon was Call to Power. I nearly ordered it. But I held off, out of a sense that it wasn't really what I was looing for. I still never got straight exactly what relation Civ II, Call to Power, and the other Civ spawn had to each other.
I just want to play Civilization, plain & simple, that's all. I don't know what this other stuff is and not sure I want to know. At least to begin with.
percypercy
10-14-2001, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by Jomo Mojo
I'm a Civ pre-newbie, hoping you grizzled veterans won't mind a very elementary question.
I always wanted to play Civilization. But I haven't even gotten Civ II yet. So can I just buy Civ III OtS (off the shelf) and start from there? Or does it depend on already having Civ II installed and upgrading from there?
I was looking to buy Civilization a couple years ago; all I could find on amazon was Call to Power. I nearly ordered it. But I held off, out of a sense that it wasn't really what I was looing for. I still never got straight exactly what relation Civ II, Call to Power, and the other Civ spawn had to each other.
I just want to play Civilization, plain & simple, that's all. I don't know what this other stuff is and not sure I want to know. At least to begin with.
Hey Jomo, if you search Amazon for Civilization, you can find a jewel case version of Civ 2 for $9.99. That'll give you everything you need. It's really a great game.
-Lil
nightshadea
10-15-2001, 02:21 AM
its not the multiplayer version its the original version that came out about 96 or 7
So if you just want the basic civ 2 it would be good for ya
nightshadea
10-15-2001, 02:21 AM
its not the multiplayer version its the original version that came out about 96 or 7
So if you just want the basic civ 2 it would be good for ya
Johanna
10-15-2001, 08:01 AM
Thanks, doodz. My question is:
Can I just start with Civ III,
or does it only work as an upgrade and you have to already have Civ II installed?
lurkernomore
10-15-2001, 09:24 AM
Jomo,
I can'r say definitely on III, but I can say CivII did not require CivI installed, unlike the addon scenarios. I'd expect III to be a full version, not an upgrade.
John Corrado
10-15-2001, 10:33 AM
In 1990 came Sid Meier's Civilization.
About six years later came Civilization II. This was not an expansion or an add-on; it was a re-working of the original game. Many new features were added, new elements of gameplay were introduced, and it was over-all a more complex version of the original.
Two add-on disks were released later for Civ II- Fantastic Worlds was one of them, and I can't remember the name of the other. These contained new 'scenarios'- that is, new specifically designed maps and settings to reflect specific challenges or times in history using the basic Civ rules.
Then came Civilization II: Test of Time. This was a small re-working of Civ II, adding in new graphics and turning some of the scenarios from Fantastic Worlds into choices to start from scratch in- so rather than playing a random Earth, one could play a random "Fantasy Earth" with goblins and hawkmen.
Meanwhile, there was a serious dispution in Microprose, publisher of the Civilization seried. Sid Meier had left to found his own company- Firaxis Games- and Microprose ended up going nearly bankrupt and being bought out by Activision.
Question arose as to who actually had possession of the title "Civilization". Activision claimed that Microprose (and therefore, they) had possession of the title, Sid Meier claimed that he did. While the arguments and lawyers raged, Activision went ahead and published "Civilizaton: Call To Power", designed in their minds to be Civ 3.
Most reviews of Civilization:CTP were pretty bad- my opinion (and several reviewers agree) is that the designers made a lot of changed solely to make changes, with no real regard for gameplay or balance. I thought CTP was pretty damned lousy compared to Civ II, let alone Alpha Centauri (Sid Meier's "if you know how Civ ended then you know this is kind of a sequel to Civ but we're not actually calling it a sequel" game from Firaxis).
I think Sid Meier ended up winning the legal battles, or at least making a deal. "Civilization: Call To Power"'s sequel (which came out about six months ago and apparently fixed some stuff while breaking other stuff, according to the Game Spot review I read) was called "Call To Power 2", and it's Firaxis Games that is releasing "Civilization III".
Now, as for buying Civ 2- you don't *need* to. Civ 3 will be a stand-alone product, just as Civ 2 was a standalone from the original Civ. And I don't know how much enjoyment you'll get from it- after I played Civ 2, I had no interest in ever playing the original again (so much of what drove me crazy in Civ was fixed in Civ 2), and I expect that after getting and playing Civ 3 I'll have no interest in going back to Civ 2 (as much of what drives me crazy in Civ 2 seems like it'll be fixed in Civ 3). If you plan on buying Civ 3 ASAP, then you might not get much use out of Civ 2. OTOH, buying Civ 2 cheap can be a good test to see if you like the concept and the play, and therefore make a future purchase of Civ 3 based more on personal preference rather than surrounding hype.
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