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04-12-1999, 08:35 PM
Ya ya I know, but its kind of fun to see how many people wonder about it.

04-12-1999, 08:48 PM
Springfield is obviously meant to be a fictional location. It certainly is not meant to be the capital of Illinois.

But that leads to another question. Is it true that there is a Springfield in every state of the Union? If so, why? Devotion to Abraham Lincoln?

04-12-1999, 08:59 PM
It's a logical placename. Until recently a town had to be located near a body of water or a spring field. (an arcaic term for an aquifer).

04-12-1999, 09:07 PM
On on episode Lisa pointed to Springfeild on a map to demonstrate to Bart how far a distance some city was. Springfeild was in the lower part of Louisiana.

04-12-1999, 09:10 PM
Don't be silly. Springfield's right down the road from Shelbyville.

04-12-1999, 09:12 PM
Springfield is "Everytown, USA." Matt Groening is following a proud tradition of fictional locales most notably represented by "Riverdale," the home of the characters from the Archie comics. Now if I can only find Betty's street address...

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04-12-1999, 10:13 PM
DakotaDusk;
I'd tell you Betty's address, but I don't want you hanging around my house at all hours.
:)
Peace,
mangeorge

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04-12-1999, 11:27 PM
Springfield is supposed to be "Anytown USA," so it's never been made clear eactly what state, or even what part of the country it's supposed to be in. Still, since creator Matt Groenig is from Oregon (suburbs of Portland, I THINK... but don't hold me to that), I'm inclined to think that it's inspired by his suburban hometown.

04-12-1999, 11:46 PM
OJ Simpson did not use a Springfield. He used a knife.

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04-13-1999, 12:13 PM
The show's creators go to great lengths NOT to specify which Springfield they mean. I remember one episode in which newscaster Kent Brockman referred to "the governor of the state Springfield is in."

All you denizens of various Springfields who want to believe that YOUR Springfield is the one, ask yourself...was YOUR town founded by Jebediah Springfield? If not, you're out of luck.

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04-13-1999, 12:25 PM
The show's writers have had a great deal of fun not specifying where Springfield is...
I recall Apu, having decided to get his US citizenship, being tutored by Homer as to US facts and geography. Homer tries (and failed) to locate Springfield on a large map of the US. Lisa comes in and says, "No, Springfield is right here," and as she points, Bart's head comes into shot and obscures the whole map.

I also recall Homer's line about the US flag: "We all know that the 13 stripes are for luck, but what about the 47 stars?"

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04-13-1999, 12:44 PM
How about the time when Marge was ordering something over the phone and had to give her address.

Marge: "That's 742 Evergreen Terrace, Springfield, Oh, Hi Maude!"

Maude Flanders (just walking in):"Hi Marge!"


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04-13-1999, 02:01 PM
[[On on episode Lisa pointed to Springfeild on a map to demonstrate to Bart how far a distance some city was. Springfeild was in the lower part of Louisiana.]]

I'm positive this didn't happen, Lissa, but could you let us know which episode you saw this on? As the other posters have written, in quite a few episodes, someone comes very close to pointing out or accurately describing Springfield's location, but something always happens to obscure the pointing finger or divert the speaker before it's given away. This URL is the Simpsons Archives discussion about "Where is Springfield?" (and Lousiana is definitely on the "Places Springfield Isn't" list):

http://www.snpp.com/guides/springfield.list.html

04-13-1999, 02:33 PM
Well, it couldn't possibly be Louisiana, it snows on the Simpsons! Maybe Missouri?

04-13-1999, 05:40 PM
Well, it couldn't possibly be Louisiana, it snows on the Simpsons! Maybe Missouri?]]


No -- Bart and Lisa's school was once voted the worst school in Missouri, so they moved the school to another state (where it currently sits).

04-13-1999, 05:51 PM
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04-13-1999, 06:15 PM
Nonsense. Springfield IS in Louisiana. Witness the following clues:

In the episode where Apu is trying to get his citizenship, at one part Kerney (sp?) tries to buy alcohol and shows Apu a fake ID. As Apu looks at it, there is a brief shot of the ID. Though his thumb blocks out part of it, directly to the right of his thumb there are the letters LA, for Louisiana.

In one of the holloween specials, where Marge is discovered to have fathered Maggie with one of those cycloptic aliens and they later go on Jerry Springer (one of the more hilarious skits), there is a scene where Maggie generates a signal with her pacifier. The camera zooms outward to a whole view of the Earth, and you can see the signal originating from Louisiana.

04-13-1999, 06:31 PM
Springfield cannot be in Louisiana -- nobody in Louisiana talks with that flat accent.

04-13-1999, 06:45 PM
I remember shows in which they have driven to New York City and Washington D.C. ... so it's probably within driving distance of both cities... somewhere in Pennsylvania or New Jersey, maybe?

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04-13-1999, 07:04 PM
This thread reminds me of a Kubrick quote, "Anyone who say's they understand '2001, A Space Odyssey', doesn't."

There are plenty of clues in the show, as to Springfield's location, and they have all been put there to stir up just this kind of silly debate.

While we're at it, where are the following:
1) Metropolis
2) Gotham
3) Grand Fenwick
4) Riverdale (I'd rather have Veronica's address)

Which direction do you drive if you want to travel from Raleigh to Mayberry? From St. Cloud to Wobegone?

04-13-1999, 08:53 PM
Papa, Metropolis and Gotham City are obviously supposed to be New York, as I'm sure you know. "Gotham" was used to refer to NYC as far back as the 19th century. "Grand Fenwick", if I remember the book The Mouse that Roared correctly, is (fictionally) a tiny, independent, Andorra- or Liechtenstein-style country somewhere in the Alps.

04-13-1999, 10:23 PM
This is probably off topic, but, as an Oregonian, I've always been proud that a some of the characters' names come from Portland streets:

Lovejoy
Terwilliger
Quimby
Flanders
Kearny
and, of course,
Simpson!

Umm... That's all I can think of right now :)

04-14-1999, 12:54 AM
Maybe everyone's sick of hearing about it, but... In the "Radioactive man" episode, movie producers are trying to pick a location to shoot the movie.

Seeing an ad, the producer yells, "Get me two airplane tickets to whatever state Springfield is in!

04-14-1999, 01:05 AM
No one went to the site Ian mentioned, did they? http://www.snpp.com/guides/springfield.list.html

Reasons it's not Louisiana:
"Louisiana -- Mt. Splashmore services the tri-county area.
Chief Wiggum located a hole-digger in Shreveport"

Why it's not New Jersey:
"New Jersey -- Leon says ``I'm a bricklayer from Paterson, New Jersey.''"
and
"Grampa has to cross the state border to reach a casino, so Springfield must be in a state that borders Nevada or New Jersey. But it can't be New Jersey because New Jersey allows casino gambling only in Atlantic City, which isn't a border town."

Why it's not Pennsylvania:
"[Greg R Hasty] The Simpsons go to Pennsylvania."
" Hank tells Homer to call him if he's ever on the East Coast.
Redwood trees (apparently endemic to Cypress Creek) are only found in the Pacific Northwest."

Why it's not Oregon:
" ``Fort Springfield was the site of a Civil War battle, suggesting it's in the southeast quadrant of the U.S.''
``...the architecture at the fort suggests its more of the type of Great Plains fort used in wars against American Indians. It was a Union fort since its troops wore blue.''
``killer have arrived in Springfield, suggesting its in one of the states which borders Mexico.'"

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04-14-1999, 01:24 AM
(Laughs evilly rubbing hands together insanly)

And people thought it was a simple question yet I have inspired MILLIONS to stay up at all hours thinking where Springfield is. Today just this thread, tomorrow THE WORLD!

MMMUHHAHWHAHAHWHAHWHAHAHAHAWHHAW <Lighting and thunder claps>

04-14-1999, 02:42 AM
[[4) Riverdale (I'd rather have Veronica's address)]]

Southern California.


[[Which direction do you drive if you want to travel from Raleigh to Mayberry? ]]


Southeast. "Mayberry" was supposed to be outside Mt. Airy ("Mt. Pilot" being the thinly-veiled substitute name). Pilot Mt. (the big hill, not a town) is near Mt. Airy.

04-14-1999, 04:43 AM
I agree that Mayberry was clearly based on Mount Airy, a town Andy Griffith grew up in, but you've reversed the direction that the question was asking. Raleigh to Mount Airy is northwest.

04-14-1999, 05:29 AM
I would like to nominate Wilmington, North Carolina as the "most Springfield-like town in the United States".

[list=1] No Kwik-E-Marts, but there are Kwik Marts.
Springfield has both snow and hurricanes. Wilmington doesn't have a lot of snow, but it did have an 18-inch Christmas day snow about 10 years back. And it certainly has hurricanes--including three direct hits in just the last three years.
Springfield is often shown both as being near a river and the ocean. Wilmington is a port located on the Cape Fear river, a short distance inland from the Atlantic ocean. (The Sideshow Bob episode where Bart is threatened on a river houseboat? It was entitled Cape Feare.) Need a lighthouse? Nearby Bald Head Island has one.
There is an episode where Homer et al. are swept out to sea during a river trip, and are saved when they come across an oil rig. According to the map we briefly see, the oil rig is in the Altantic, possibly near the North Carolina outer banks. The best guess is that they were originally on the Cape Fear river, then, once they reached the ocean, swept northeast by the Gulf Stream current.
The major over-the-air TV stations in both Springfield and Wilmington are channels 3 and 6.
At the time the show first aired, the nuclear power plan in Brunswick County was on watch as one of the worst run in the United States.
"Highway 401" is often mentioned on the show. A highway 401 runs a short distance from Wilmington, although this might also be a transposition of interstate I40, which terminates in Wilmington.
There is an episode where David Brinkley is one of the celebrity announcers for a town parade. David Brinkley grew up in Wilmington. (He left, of course. A lot of famous people have left--sports figures include Michael Jordan, Roman Gabriel, Sonny Jurgenson and Sam Huff).
On the Simpsons, the Radioactiveman movie was filmed in Springfield, presumably at Krustylu Studios. Wilmington also has a small movie production lot. Until a few years ago this studio was part of Carolco--recently it was sold to Screen Gems. (Carolco had been in financial trouble, especially after the chairman of board of the parent company was shot to death by his sons, Lyle and Erik Menendez.) Actor Brandon Lee died in Wilmington, after an accidental shooting on the soundstage of [i]The Crow[i]. Lee died in New Hanover Regional Medical Center. This same hospital got a lot of national attention a couple of years back, when it became known that one of the surgeons working there was doing things like taking a lunch break during surgery. Michael Jordan's father was shot to death in a robbery a few years back, while heading home, after visiting friends in Wilmington.
There are a lot of references to the Matlock TV show, or, in Abe Simpsons phrasing, "Maaatloock". In one of the Simpsons episode "the star of Matlock" even makes a personal apperance. Matlock was filmed at Carolco in Wilmington--there were even a couple of episodes where Ben Matlock "visits" Wilmington. (These days Dawson's Creek is filmed at the same studio).
There have been a couple of references in the Simpsons to "driving out the Irish". Wilmington's claim to fame, a century ago, was to drive out the blacks. In 1898, Wilmington was majority black, and many of its elected officials were also black. That was the year that white supremicists took up arms and overthrew the local government by force, killing a few people along the way and exiling many more, and setting up a new whites-only government. In 1898 Wilmington was the largest city in North Carolina. Since then, it has faded to around tenth.[/list=1]

04-14-1999, 12:23 PM
[[I agree that Mayberry was clearly based on Mount Airy, a town Andy Griffith grew up in, but you've reversed the direction that the question was asking. Raleigh to Mount Airy is northwest. ]]


Yes, my sloppiness.

04-14-1999, 03:16 PM
According to my atlas, there is a Springfield in states in these parts of the USA:
Midwest - Minnesota, Illinois, Missouri, Ohio
West - Oregon, Idaho, Colorado
East - Maine, Vermont, West Virginia, Massachusetts
South - Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky

Consider the appearance, dress, mannerisms, speech (lack of accent), and family values of the Simpsons and the rest of the characters. They all seem to be Midwestern. Additionally, consider the overall scenery, weather climate, and racial make-up of Springfield. The Simpsons live in a subdivision of middle-income houses with grassy green lawns. Racially, the Springfield characters are mostly white. There is a black doctor and a convenience store manager from India, but that's about it for non-whites.

Only the weather climate does not seem to quite fit in the Midwest. The weather appears generally mild, because they rarely wear jackets, gloves, or hats, and Bart usually wears shorts. Also, there was an episode where Homer climbed a nearby, snow-capped, mountain. That usually indicates a Rocky Mountain state, but I think that was just an exception that didn't coincide with most of the other episodes. Occasionally, I have seen snow in episodes, I think there was a tornado once, but never a hurricane. That indicates the midwest.

There is no Springfield in Louisiana. If Springfield was in a Southern state, then the Simpsons and other characters would have southern accents, complain about the heat and humidity, and there would be a lot of black characters. So, they don't live down South. If Springfield was out West, such as in Colorado or Idaho, then there would probably be mountains in a lot of the episodes, and beach scenes, too, if they were in Oregon, but there aren't. If Springfield was on the East coast (Maine, Mass.), then there would likely be beach scenes, too, but there aren't.

The evidence suggests Springfield is in the Midwest, so the only question is, what Midwestern state? In a recent episode, there was a news story about Springfield, Mo., and they said "glad that's not us", so they do not live in Springfield, Mo. So, I think it is the Springfield in Illinois, Ohio, or Minnesota.

Next question…where do Beavis and Butthead live?

04-14-1999, 03:32 PM
Lake Woebegon is north of St. Cloud. (and probably east or west. I'm not certain enough of the location of St. Cloud to be positive). Lake Woebegon is in the center of MN, because it was left off the map because the four maps made by the different (explorers? mapmakers?) overlapped, right on top of Lake Woebegon.

04-14-1999, 03:36 PM
Dools, you've done it again.

- C'mon set these folks free and tell 'em where Springfield [i]really[/]is. Don't forget the justification!!

04-14-1999, 04:27 PM
Springfield must be in Missouri. Why? Because that's where my TV is, and Springfield is of course inside it.

04-14-1999, 04:27 PM
Springfield must be in Missouri. Why? Because that's where my TV is, and Springfield is of course inside it.

04-14-1999, 05:50 PM
There couldn't be any beach scenes if the Simpsons were in Springfield, Mass. anyway! It's located in the south central portion of the state, not too far from the Berkshire mountains. Just my $.02...

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04-14-1999, 09:40 PM
Cheese Head,

Of course there was a hurricane once! That was the episode where Ned's house was torn apart and the town rebuilt it really crappily and he blew his top and committed himself and that's when we learned that he hated his hippy parents who wouldn't discipline him as a child...

And where one of my favorite Ralph Wiggums quotes comes from, as a panicked crowd stock up on supplies at the Kwik-E-Mart a near-sighted old lady grabs Lisa by the head and says she's got the last pineapple. She puts Lisa in her cart next to the "last pumpkin," Ralph Wiggums, who says, "Hi, Lisa, I'm going to be a pie!"

No hurricane! :)

04-15-1999, 01:49 AM
*sigh*
Why it's not North Carolina:
" Grampa has to cross the state border to reach a casino, so Springfield must be in a state that borders Nevada or New Jersey. But it can't be New Jersey because New Jersey allows casino gambling only in Atlantic City, which isn't a border town."
and
"Hank tells Homer to call him if he's ever on the East Coast.
Redwood trees (apparently endemic to Cypress Creek) are only found in the Pacific Northwest.
Cypress Creek is ``upstate,'' suggesting a vertical state."

Why it's not Illinois:
"Illinois -- Springfield is not the state capital
-- Chicago is mentioned on the Michelangelo's David coast-to-coast tour of United States.
-- The driver's license agency is not called 'DMV'
-- It's ``nowhere near'' Chicago. -- Someone in Chicago answers a math question."

Why it's not Ohio:
"Ohio -- There are no Kwik-E-Marts in Ohio."

Why it's not Minnesota:
"Alabama, Minnesota, New York
-- Other states which had their own essay competitions."

While I think it might be fun to figure out for sure "where Springfield is", I doubt it will happen. I suspect that it's been carefully planned to eliminate *every* state.

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04-15-1999, 03:17 AM
Springfield is in "Nowhere U.S.A."

Everybody here introduced clues that contradicted somebody elses (or even themselves) conviction.

Springfield is in a Pacific Northwestern State, that fought in the Civil War, has one mountain, a river, lake and ocean near it. It has to be within driving distance to New York and Washington D.C. without being on the East Coast. It has to snow occasionally. It's in a relatively flat part of the country, yet have hills. It's near cities in Louisiana (but no one has spoken accents). In fact in one episode it should be on the west coast (this episode is where Homer is captain on a Submarine which he leads into Russian Waters (by going Northwest.)

SO it's nowhere.

But I really want to say Tennessee. Springfield and Shelbyville, TN are close enough to be rivals, and Ned Flanders seems to be the type of people I run across in Tennessee.

But its equally likely that Springfield is in Guam!

04-15-1999, 05:05 AM
Kat did protest too much:
*sigh*
Why it's not North Carolina: [snip]

I never claimed "Springfield is in North Carolina". I said Wilmington is the most Springfield-like town in the U.S. that I know of.

I also think Raleigh-Durham is the most heavenly place in the United States. Which does mean I claiming that "heaven is physically located in central North Carolina".

Kat added: While I think it might be fun to figure out for sure "where Springfield is", I doubt it will happen. I suspect that it's been carefully planned to eliminate *every* state.

To quote Marge, "Well, duh"....

04-15-1999, 10:09 AM
this episode is where Homer is captain on a Submarine which he leads into Russian Waters

Is that the one where Lenin comes back to life and says "Must... smash... capitalism"? I haven't seen that one and I'm dying to.

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04-15-1999, 04:05 PM
Hee hee hee. Of course, you're all forgetting something!

Remember when they moved Springfield (after Homer botched the job of Sanitation Commissionner)? They moved the entire town!
You thought just moving the school was bad.
With as many problems as Springfield has, they probably do the moving thing quite a bit. They really could be Everytown, USA.

And no one says the shows are in chronological order, so you get to figure that out, too!

Muhahahahaha! Yes, Thursday is a good day to be evil.

04-15-1999, 11:07 PM
Why it's not North Carolina: [snip]

I never claimed "Springfield is in North Carolina". I said Wilmington is the most Springfield-like town in the U.S. that I know of.

Never said you did. Just preventing the response that says, "Well, with all the similarities, it must be North Carolina."

Kat added: While I think it might be fun to figure out for sure "where Springfield is", I doubt it will happen. I suspect that it's been carefully planned to eliminate *every* state.

To quote Marge, "Well, duh"....

Well, I went as far as I could away from saying, "It's not in any state. As any dimwit can see, it's plotted to eliminate every state in one way or another." as I felt people would take offense.

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04-16-1999, 12:58 AM
It's not in any state.

Thank goodness. I don't think that we could idiot-proof this earth Homer's hometown existed!

04-16-1999, 01:22 AM
Well, all you need to do is find the town which has a mountian range, ocean, river, gorge, salt flats, badlands, desert, cape, heavy forest and plains in its immediate vicinty and you're there.

As for the false driver's license, out-of-state false driver's licenses are common since they're easier to pass off. A 17 year old cashier in Illinois wouldn't know what to look for in a California driver's license. As for the Halloween episode with the Simpsons being beamed out from the Louisania area, it's been said many a time that the Halloween episodes have no bearing on the rest of the show. Not that I believe it's anyplace (besides 5:30, 6:00 and 10:00 on FOX in Chicago) but I felt like adding my thoughts anyway.

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04-16-1999, 04:00 AM
Kat did write:
Well, I went as far as I could away from saying, "It's not in any state. As any dimwit can see, it's plotted to eliminate every state in one way or another." as I felt people would take offense.

Everyone knows Springfield doesn't exist. Which means you have to have extra-good arguments to determine the state in which it is located.

The preceding two sentances were logically inconsistent. Maybe its because we're just having fun. (For some reason, the cartoon where Marge-as-a-scolding-squirrell starts telling Itchy and Scratchy "Don't do that!" comes to mind.)

I can't believe we're being chided by someone whose sig is in[i]Klingon[i]! Are you not aware that Klingons don't really exist? Therefore, it is only logical to conclude that an actual Klingon language also doesn't exist, and anyone who pretends otherwise is being highly illogical.

Making up phrases in a non-existent language is fun. Speculating on the location of a non-existent town is fun.

04-17-1999, 02:08 AM
See, I told ya people would get offended. Precisely why I had it edited by the Editor Under My Desk. ;) <-----note little winky guy

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04-17-1999, 08:59 AM
qatlho' (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Quadrant/5859/Klingon/language.htm)

04-18-1999, 10:23 PM
Can I sum this up? I remember reading somewhere (right, no exact source) that Springfield was the most common town name in the US and that's why Groening picked it. As for any real hometown references, Groening is from the Pacific Northwest. By the way, are we all taking this a bit too seriously? Do we want "The Simpsons" to be the next "Star Trek" or do we want to put up with a bunch of Simpsons conventions in our local motels thirty years from now

04-18-1999, 10:24 PM
insert question mark

04-18-1999, 11:48 PM
Ok, so now, where was Mayfield, where Wally and the Beav lived?


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04-19-1999, 12:31 PM
I seem to remember the State Seal in one episode with the motto "Not Just Any State". Also, on a web site selling Simpsons collectibles, I remember seeing driver licences for Homer and Bart with the abbreviation "NT" for the state. I think all the conflicting "clues" for Springfield's location is to just give everyone the business. (as Eddie Haskell would say)

04-19-1999, 02:24 PM
While we're at it, where are the following:
1) Metropolis
2) Gotham

At least one question that has a fairly definitive answer. DC (the company that publishs Batman and Superman) also published "An Atlas of the DC Universe" which locates the settings of their comics. Metropolis is in Delaware. Gotham is in New Jersey.

04-19-1999, 07:54 PM
At least one question that has a fairly definitive answer. DC (the company that publishs Batman and Superman) also published "An Atlas of the DC Universe" which locates the settings of their comics. Metropolis is in Delaware. Gotham is in New Jersey.
Not that I'm doubting you, but did the atlas explain how all of NYC's landmarks ended up in New Jersey? Did New York lose some kind of civil war in the DC Universe? Did Gotham get the Statue of Liberty as the spoils of victory? At least Metropolis is non-comittal enough to be anywhere.

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04-20-1999, 12:37 AM
Painful as it is for a native New Yorker to admit, the Statue of Liberty is in New Jersey. Presumedly just a few miles from stately Wayne Manor.

04-20-1999, 11:14 AM
I always thought that the writers were from Kentucky. While driving through that lovely state, I noticed adjacent towns with the names Simpsonsville and Shelbyville. Is this just a coincidence?

04-20-1999, 02:51 PM
Quote:_______________________________________"...did the atlas explain how all of NYC's landmarks ended up in New Jersey? Did New York lose some kind of civil war in the DC Universe? Did Gotham get the Statue of Liberty as the spoils of victory?"
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Gotham City has never had the Statue of Liberty. Batman HAS, on occasion, traveled to NYC. (i.e., Frank Miller/Todd McFarlane's 'Batman/Spawn' crossover). I am not sure why you think that the Statue of Liberty (or any other NYC landmarks) are in Gotham City, but maybe you have just seen an issue where Batman went to NYC or something. I haven't seen any NYC landmarks in any of the Batman movies, nor in any Batman comic, ever. If you have a specific comic book in mind, please give me the issue number so I can go check it out for myself.

I know that this post is way off thread, but I am a little curious to see Gotham's version of Lady Liberty.

-Doroboo

04-20-1999, 03:08 PM
I haven't seen any NYC landmarks in any of the Batman movies, nor in any Batman comic, ever.
Ever see the third Batman movie, the one with TwoFace and the Riddler? In the beginning, the bad guys' helicopter crashes into a dead ringer for Lady Liberty, except that she has the word GOTHAM carved onto her crown. Of couse, it could just be that the movie producers never talked to DC Comics. Also, in the Warner Brother's cartoon series from a few years ago, they have shown the Statue of Liberty several times, except that she has a shield instead of the tablet. Whatever this statue is, it's located in "Gotham Harbor". It's pretty funny, and very wierd.

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04-20-1999, 10:46 PM
To get back to the topic-
I was watching "New York Undercover" the other night, And wondered;
Where is this New York, anyway? Is it a real place?

Man, this thread is geting looonng.
Peace,
mangeorge

04-21-1999, 01:45 AM
I think ils is onto something here. We've all heard about how inbreeding created the "blue people" of Kentucky. Why not "yellow people"?

04-21-1999, 10:29 AM
When I moved from Minnesota several years ago, there were two questions I was often asked. Adults often asked about Garrison Keiller/Lake Woebegon.
Teenagers asked me (I was a junior in high school) if I knew Brenda and Brandon. (Of Beverly Hills 90210).

04-21-1999, 03:13 PM
Springfield is everywhere and nowhere

04-22-1999, 01:03 AM
Metropoilis is in Delaware? You're kidding, right? No offence to my friends from the 1st state, but have you ever been there? Dover, Wilmington and Newark together wouldn't crack the top 25 cities in the U.S. size-wise. At least Gotham in Jersey makes sense. North Jersey is all overflow city from NY and south Jersey is overflow from Philly.

04-23-1999, 10:33 AM
sorry to mutilate a dead horse, but one of the reasons why North Carolina was ruled out, was because casinos are only in nevada and new jersy. well, that webmaster better update that page, because he must have never heard of riverboat gambling or casinos on native american reservations. don't trust everything you read on the internet :)

05-03-1999, 08:56 AM
On last night's episode (May 2), Homer and Mr. Burns went to a Springfield Radio station, KBBL. All radio (and broadcast TV?) stations in the USA that are west of the Mississippi River begin with the letter K, and all radio stations east of the mighty Miss. river begin with the letter W.

Therefore, Springfield has to be in a state west of the Miss. river. As mentioned above by Cheese Head, the only states west of the Miss. river that have a Springfield are Minn, Mo, Idaho, Col, and Ore.

However, I think we have proved in this thread, that if you analyze it, there will be a contradiction ruling out all of the Springfields that actually exist. So, either purposefully or accidently, Springfield is a myth and not one of the real American Springfields.

05-03-1999, 07:51 PM
(Re Batman / Gotham City in New York)
Several times on the animated Batman, they've shown something like the statue of Liberty, but instead of the tablet, she's holding a shield.

And in one of the shows, Penguin ends up making license plates who's motto across the bottom is 'The Dark Deco State'...

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05-03-1999, 08:53 PM
Get real, Mr. President.

- Most stations follow the K-west, W-east rule. KYW-TV and radio in Philly is a notable exception. This nullifies your assertion.

- This just ain't your year is it?

05-04-1999, 08:43 AM
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Occupation: U.S. Navy Public Affairs Specialist
Interests: ...and the occasional snotty retort!

Chief Scott, better avoid these occasional snotty retorts. It's not good for a US Navy Public Affairs Specialist to talk to the President that way.

Speaking of public affairs, I sure have had my share of them lately (Monica, Paula,...). lol

Seriously though, I still think the K-West W-East rule is a general clue to Springfield's location, even though there are a few exceptions to the rule.

05-04-1999, 08:43 AM
ChiefScott's profile:

Occupation: U.S. Navy Public Affairs Specialist
Interests: ...and the occasional snotty retort!

Chief Scott, better avoid these occasional snotty retorts. It's not good for a US Navy Public Affairs Specialist to talk to the President that way.

Speaking of public affairs, I sure have had my share of them lately (Monica, Paula,...). lol

Seriously though, I still think the K-West W-East rule is a general clue to Springfield's supposed location, even though there are a few exceptions to the rule.

05-10-1999, 09:08 AM
KBBL was promintently featured on the Simpson's episode again last night, May 9. They seem to be committing themselves to this one.

05-10-1999, 07:43 PM
On this same program, part of a list of the "worst towns" in the United States was displayed. "Springfield, USA" came in 299th, and appearing in the position directly above this was "Dawson's Creek, North Carolina". The TV show Dawson's Creek takes place in fictional Capeside, Massachusetts. But the show is filmed in Wilmington, North Carolina. So, Dawson's Creek, NC equals Wilmington, NC. Thus, Springfield, USA and Wilmington, NC were paired on the list. Mere coincidence???

05-10-1999, 08:26 PM
First of all, let me say that I cannot believe I'm even replying to this string of, of...of whatever it is I have been reading. That said, here's a point to think about, as long as we're arguing states: Remember the episode where their on vacation and they stand in "five states at once"? Where is that possible? Nowhere. There are FOUR states together at a point, but not five. On the "Simpsons" things always seem to be just the other side of reality. Hence, "Springfield" is an actual city, but which Springfield is it? Does it matter? Not really. I don't think it's meant to be a real place. Springfield just happens to be a common name for a town. If we're to argue this point, then let's figure out why Homer, Marge, and the kids have never aged?

05-11-1999, 03:50 AM
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05-11-1999, 09:12 AM
Whitetho
On this same program, part of a list of the "worst towns" in the United States was displayed. "Springfield, USA" came in 299th,
Interesting that they said Springfield, USA, instead of mentioning a state. All the other cities on the list had a state. The writers refuse to tell us which state Springfield is in, don't they?

And the bottom city, 300, was East St. Louis, Ill. This city is also talked about in the "ugliest town in the world" thread in the BBQ Pit.

05-13-1999, 01:07 AM
If we're to argue this point, then let's figure out why Homer, Marge, and the kids have never aged?

Magic?

Fountain of Youth water?

Genetic mutation caused by proximity to nuclear plant?

;) <-----note annoying winky guy

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06-21-1999, 03:22 PM
Sorry to bring up this old topic, but...last night (6/20) was a rerun of the Simpson's episode where Homer and Marge are at a trendy party of Springfield's "hip" crowd, when the party group decides to go protest redwood forest destruction. The goup takes a bus to a redwood forest. They weren't shown packing any luggage or food, and had the same clothes on when they got there, so it seemed like a short bus trip no longer than a couple hours.

Also, the Springfield police arrived to stop the protest, so the redwood forest must be near Springfield. To my knowledge, the only place in the world where redwood trees grow is northern California. Thus, the episode implies that Springfield is in N. Calif.

However, as I say in my 4/14 post above, there is no actual Springfield in Calif. The nearest are in Oregon and Idaho. So, Springfield in the show can not possibly be any of the actual Springfields in the USA. It is a pretend place.

06-21-1999, 04:50 PM
The SImpson's Springfield has a Memorial Bridge. Springfield, MA has a memorial bridge. Clearly, The Simpsons are from Massachusetts. The evidence that it is elsewhere are just artistic license to move the stories along.

06-22-1999, 04:04 PM
curious george writes:

"...Springfield IS NOT any specific town."

I feel so lied to. Next are you going to try telling me there is no Santa Claus?

No, there is a Santa Claus, but the Tooth Fairy is not real.

Jeffery

06-23-1999, 01:42 AM
I'm going to post to this musty old thread only once. you can spend all month analyzing which city has a nuclear power plant near a gorge close to a water park with a televised clown show and a wealthy loveless old man who tries to block the sun out after the school drilled an oil well and he tapped into the line......
The answer is that Springfield IS NOT any specific town but changes to fit the writers' needs for that weeks episode. However, Springfield is BASED on Springfield, Oregon. Why do I say this?
-The Creator, Matt Groening, is from that area.
-Street names in Portland are eerily similar to many characters on the Simpsons.
-Lastly, and most importantly, Springfield (or an adjacent suburb) has a statue that is a dead ringer for the one of Jebediah Springfield/Hans Sprungfeld. I've seen pictures of it. If I can scan em, I'll post em.

06-23-1999, 01:56 AM
"...Springfield IS NOT any specific town."

I feel so lied to. Next are you going to try telling me there is no Santa Claus?

06-24-1999, 08:49 PM
If we're to argue this point, then let's figure out why Homer, Marge, and the kids have never aged?


I've always wondered why Lisa is the only one to ever have a birthday (that I can remember) and why the school year can end and begin again without either of the kids advancing a grade. ;)

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06-25-1999, 10:38 AM
Maggie had a birthday party as well - Homer ate a bunch of the sugar letters off the cake; the family taking photographs looked like flashy-eyed Cyclopes to a befuddled and frightened Maggie; relatives wondered why nobody had been invited and Marge replies "She just doesn't get along well with other kids", at which point Maggie looks out the window at Baby Gerald (The Unibrow Baby) and they scowl flaming death at each other.

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06-25-1999, 11:08 AM
Jeannie :

If we're to argue this point, then let's figure out why Homer, Marge, and the kids have never aged?

Cessandra :

and why the school year can end and begin again without either of the kids advancing a grade.

Simple Springfield (And Riverdale, for that matter) is in a perpetual (but flawed) time loop called the Chronos Cartoonii. They keep repeating the same year. However, the changes in the outside world leak into their little chronically impaired paridise, preventing the year from repeating precisely. This leak (in Springfeild) was caused by the demon Mattgr Oening, for purposes of his own.

...

I put WAY too much thought into that answer....

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06-26-1999, 04:51 PM
If we're to argue this point, then let's figure out why Homer, Marge, and the kids have never aged?

And don't they were mostly the same clothes. In fact, don't most cartoons do that?And does anyone ever use a key in a cartoon?

06-27-1999, 04:57 AM
Bart also had a birthday, in the first or second season. His party was at Wall E. Weasel's, where the audioanimatronic band sang, "You're the birthday/you're the birthday/you're the birthday/boy or girl..."
Chief Wiggum has a key that opens every lock in town, and Bart and Ralph used it to break into the abandoned prison.
Obviously, cartoon characters rarely change their clothes because it's easier to draw them that way, but that makes it more interesting when they do change. Like Homer always coming up with a ludicrously stagey outfit appropriate to his current scheme.
Here's one for the Simpsonites: Can you think of any regular/recurring character on the Simpsons who has NEVER been seen in more than one outfit?

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06-28-1999, 03:48 AM
[[Can you think of any regular/recurring character on the Simpsons who has NEVER been seen in more than one outfit? ]]


Disco Stu?

06-28-1999, 08:26 AM
On last night's show, (6/27 - Homer the inventor) Homer & Bart drive to the Edison museum, and when they get on the highway they pass a road sign for the Michigan, New Jersey, Oregon, Texas exit.

The show's writers certainly have fun not letting us know which state Springfield is in.

06-29-1999, 04:00 PM
[quote]Next question…where do Beavis and Butthead live?[quote]

they live in highland, texas also where mike judge (their creator)grew up.

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06-30-1999, 03:43 AM
I believe that Springfield is actually in the state of Colorado. reasons:

1.It couldn't be any where on the east coast, because in the episode where homer climbs Murderhorn Mountain, the mountain is sharp; not rounded, like the Appalaichains, so it has to be in the Rocky Mountains. It cannot be in the south, or the north for the sam reason. It has to be in the West.

2. If you recall LARAMIE CIGARETTES. there is a Ft. Laramie in Colorado.

3. The city of Springfeild always has a backdrop of mountains. Especially the episode where Lisa bets with Homer on football games, then takes him to this lookout point.

4. You keep mentioning that Grampa has to cross state line to get to a casino. Colorado borders Arizona and Utah. Both gambling states.

5. You are also mistaken about the drivin to New York. They do not drive to New York, they take a bus.

6. The CAPE FEARE episode, where Sideshow Bob tries to kill Bart, there are on a river. Springfield is on a river in Colorado.

7. Springfeild, Co. is about a ten minute drive to Two Buttes Resivoir, where, in the TV show, (the episode where Sideshow Bob gets out of jail, and builds a dam with his brother) the could build a dam.

8. Yes, Matt Groening could be from Oregon, that may be where he got the last names, but that does not mean that the show is based in Oregon.

06-30-1999, 12:48 PM
I peeked at the atlas last night. There are twenty one states with a Springfield listed. There are only six with a Shelbyville. There are only four with both: IL, MO, KY, and TN.
In none of them are the two adjacent, but they are reasonably close in Kentucky.

06-30-1999, 05:27 PM
That would explain the presence of Cletus, the Slack-Jawed Yokel. Dunno if he ever got dressed up for anything or not, but he'd be my guess for Recurring Character Who Never Changes His Clothes.

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07-07-1999, 06:45 PM
Shouldn't that be the Simpsons', not Simpson's. I see people's mailboxes marked "The Johnson's". Do they mean The Johnsons live there or that it is the Johnsons' mailbox?

07-07-1999, 07:00 PM
I hate to break it to you but Utah is NOT a gambling state, they have no form of gambling, not even a lottery.

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07-07-1999, 07:50 PM
My goodness, this thread started in April??? Geez.

There was one episode where is showed which state Springfield was in. I think this was in the 1st or 2nd season, where Lisa won an essay contest on America and traveled to read it in Washington DC. (If you still don't know this one, this is the one where the statue of Thomas Jefferson talks to Lisa and she sees politicans as pigs eating dollar bills as slop)

Anyways, I remember them showing a map where Springfield was (marked by Blinky, the 3-eyed fish :) ) and it was either in South Dakota or the other states in the North Plains.

Does anyone remember this episode as well? I watch the Simpsons everyday I haven't seen this episode in the reruns at all.

07-08-1999, 09:23 AM
Quote:
"...but Utah is NOT a gambling state, they have no form of gambling.."
You can get insurance in Utah and as Maude Flanders said, "Neddy doesn't believe in insurance- he considers it a form of gambling".

The Readers Digest Essay contest episode does NOT show where Springfield is located (unless its subliminally masked).

07-17-1999, 05:11 AM
I have a theory that all of the differnt traits make up the Simpson's Springfield.

07-17-1999, 08:33 AM
It can't be South Dakota. They have gambling everywhere. But in that area, entering a reservaton is generally considered crossing a state line because the laws change.

07-18-1999, 05:18 AM
Alright, although I feel that this ruined the fun of the whole "where is Springfield located" game, I feel compelled to point out that on one episode in which the family takes a trip, they visit the 5 corners, and each family member stands on one. The United States of America features no such landmark, the closest being the four corners in the west. For the Simpsons' world to feature such a landmark, the lines of the states must differ from those currently observed in the US. Considering the layout of the country is different in the Simpsons' world, perhaps the union consists of states with which we are not familiar, that is, they live in a state which encompasses land now occupied in part by several states.

07-18-1999, 11:49 AM
It is on channels 61, 11 and 5. I lived in the NYC area.

07-18-1999, 07:45 PM
I was discussing this thread with my boyfriend. He claims he has met the woman who does the voice of one of the characters (Bart, I think), and she told him that Springfield is supposed to be in Southern California. I personally think that's major BS, but he swears that's what she said.

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07-18-1999, 11:30 PM
I can't believe this thread has lasted so long! I had no idea people put so much thought into a cartoon! This place does not exist in the physical world, only in the amazeing minds of the writers of the Simpsons does Springfield exist.


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07-20-1999, 03:36 PM
And now a special 100th post.

As I'm sure everyone has noticed, the Simpsons are all yellow. The conclusion is obvious; they are in fact Chinese and Springfield is actually in China. Now many of you are no doubt thinking that Springfield appears to be an American city. This is because Springfield is a secret spy camp that was built in the 1950's to mimic a typical American town so Chinese spies can be trained to impersonate average Americans.

jab1
12-14-1999, 02:14 PM
Wayyy back on Page Two, someone asked about the Statue of Liberty being in Gotham City.

It's actually the Statue of Justice. Someone noticed the statue is holding a shield in one hand. That's correct. And in her other hand is the scales of justice. But this version of the statue is not blindfolded, so some folks are fooled into thinking it's Liberty. And all of this applies only to Batman: The Animated Series and all subsequent sequel series. And Batman has always been more obsessed about Justice than Liberty.

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12-14-1999, 05:54 PM
Springfield is obviously in the State of Confusion.

As evidence, I cite the Simpsons' low IQ , & the many different answers give for this topic's question.

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