View Full Version : There's a new Jack Chick tract, and boy is it a doozy!
Originally posted by Crunchy Frog
I also have question raised in the tract about the petrified treesHere is a Talk Origins article (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/trees.html) on "polystrate tree fossils" (a term used by creationists, but not secular geologists). How the trees got that way was determined back in the 19th century, as the article makes clear.
11-16-2001, 06:23 PM
Thanks jab1. Making fun of Jack chick is fun and all, and I knew he had to be creating straw men just to knock them down with his strange brand of logic (the main give away was the evolution chart he showed, which is most deicidedly not the chart I remember from school - I mean c'mon Piltdown Man?). Some of the things he claimed I had just never heard of before and was pretty sure Mr. Chick was doing the same sort of thing with his other arguments as he did with the evolution chart.
And I love this line from the site:
The reason I am using Dawson rather than a more recent reference is to emphasize that many supposed "problems" with conventional geology were solved more than 100 years ago using very basic principles. The people suggesting these "problems" exist are so out of date that even 19th-century literature refutes their presentations.So even when Creationism was more commonly accepted, they already had a scientific explanation for this!
As Jack chick would write, "Haw haw haw!"
for the next Jack Chick tract, we should open two threads, one to make fun of the Crazy Crusader and one to present the other side of the argument that Chick always seems to leave out.
11-16-2001, 06:35 PM
FWIW, I read the Bible Truth site-and Vanilla, can I say I found it extremely offensive?
It had a link to one of my "favorite" fundie sites: http://www.wayoflife.org
The kind of people who say Roman Catholicism is a cult, that women with short hair are sinning, and that we must wear "modest" dress because otherwise we tempt men into sinful acts.
Originally posted by Lucki Chaarms
Originally posted by Guinastasia
Teen Witch Kit? Good LORD-is there such a thing?
(I don't know about ANY of this, since IANAW)
Yes, God and Goddess help us. (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1567185541/qid=1005796644/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_7_3/107-7569603-2114958)That looks like a parody from MAD magazine.
11-16-2001, 06:55 PM
Oh, and the Bible Truth site also called oral sex "sodomy"....
Chick tracts are published in many languages. Here's the Japanese version of the anti-evolution "Big Daddy." (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0404/0404_01.asp) Compare it to the English version. (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp) Now, I cannot read Japanese, but I do know that it is read from right to left, which means that the panels should have been flipped. (Click on both links and compare.)
Glad to have helped, Crunchy.
11-16-2001, 08:20 PM
Actually, you can find lots of stuff in Japan published with Japanese read from left to right.
11-16-2001, 08:22 PM
Actually, you can find lots of stuff in Japan published with Japanese read from left to right, with new lines immediatley beneath the previous line.
If your computer supports Japanese script, check out http://www.asahi.com. That's the website for the daily newspaper, Asahi. The print version, though, is written in the traditional manner, top to bottom, with new lines to the left of the previous line.
11-16-2001, 08:26 PM
I really found this comment (bolding by Monty)NOTICE: Though I do not expect all of my readers to agree with my judgments[...]
on the Way of Life website to be quite telling. Kind of pisses on the whole "judge not" thing, doesn't it?
11-16-2001, 08:31 PM
I don't know if you can find it, but in the articles, he freely admits that it's OKAY to judge, that that passage is taken out of context or something. That you HAVE to JUDGE everyone.
11-16-2001, 08:38 PM
Oh, I found it. Laughable. He maintains that, since God says you may judge one particular thing, then you may judge all things!
11-16-2001, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by Monty
He maintains that, since God says you may judge one particular thing, then you may judge all things!That is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever heard of.
11-16-2001, 10:34 PM
I am embarrassed to admit this.....
But after all this time, hours, and whatnot, on these boards, I thought Jack Chick was some lurker/troll in other forums.
Boy do I have egg on my face.
That confession aside, this JC guy has escaped from MAD magazine and Highlight's Goofus and Gallant school of cartooning.
It's like a car accident on the side of the road......you are compelled to watch...to see the carnage.
11-16-2001, 10:45 PM
OOOOOOH, the name of his ministry is called Of One Accord
Apparently he drives a Honda. [rimshot]
11-17-2001, 11:07 AM
Guin: Oh, and the Bible Truth site also called oral sex "sodomy"....
Actually, "sodomy" has long been used to refer not just to anal intercourse, but to various quote-quote "unnatural" sex practices including oral sex. Here in Rhode Island recently, we finally got the state legislature to throw out our old anti-sodomy law, described in this article: (http://www.geocities.com/privacylaws/USA/Rhode_Island/rinews02.htm)
Sodomy is defined as oral, anal or "unnatural'' sex between two persons.
At the center of the ruling is a 1993 case in which an East Providence man was charged with four counts of sexual assault, including oral and anal sex.
The man, [...] 37, testified that the sex with a woman was consentual [sic] and was acquitted on all four counts. However, he was found guilty of two counts of abominable and detestable crimes against nature.
11-17-2001, 01:22 PM
Monty: So you read the Bible a lot. I dunno what that proves. I read the whole thing every (about) two months.
I forget who asked, No, not read Narnia. Yes, HAVE read Potter.
11-17-2001, 07:13 PM
From your comments on this issue, vanilla, it shows that you read the thing, but that I study it.
Perhaps you can see the difference.
11-18-2001, 02:48 AM
Originally posted by The Tim
On the In-Nomine mailing list people speculate on his reaction to the core book. There is also a write up of Jack Chick In-Nomine somewhere out there. [/B]
And actually, the game has been apparently toned down from the original french version called "In Nomine Satanis"
11-18-2001, 05:16 AM
Originally posted by capacitor
Unlike the Hebrews, the ancient Egyptians never, ever post negative or embarrasing stories about themselves. You think a lost of 3 million slaves, not to mention the huge embarrasments before and after to the Egyptians, would make it into hieroglyphics? [/B]
I stopped reading this thread for a moment and went out to buy some things, amongst them a review, and it happens that there was an article on this exact topic in it.
It's an interview of an egyptologist, the Pr. Yoyotte. Here are some abstracts, and I apologize in advance for the poor translation :
Q: What can be said about the Hebrew community in Egyptia before the exodus?
A : We have no tracks of them, while we have evidences proving the presence, in all the country of Cannaneans, Nubians and Lybians. But today, there is more interest for the Hebrews, and it is believed that they are of more interest, because the bible is one of the funding elements of our culture [...]
It must be pointed out that the relations between the Hebews, then the Judeans with Egyptia aren't limited to the pre-Moise era and didn't end suddenly [...] At the time of the Saite kings (VII° century BC), there still was an important Judean presence in Egyptia [...]
[According to the scolars studying the bible], the existence of a man called Moise, whose name has an egyptian origin or is an evidence of a stay in Egyptia, and who played a fundamental part in the beliefs of his tribe or of his relatives can hardly be a mere invention. But the likehood of these adventures or events must be separated from the idea that these events would have been remarkables and would have been considered by the egyptians as an important moment in their history
In answer to another question :
"By the way, let me point out that the figure given in the bible, 600 000 men and their families, is demographically utterly unbelievable . From the point of view of the Egyptian history the adventure of Moise, the flight of the Hebrews is a non-event"
And later in the interview :
"Yes, I believe it could be admitted that a group of people, who called themselve Hebrews can have attempted to flee, and in a quite organized way. But a little group, some families, not 600 000 men and their families this figure would be roughly equivalent to the whole population of the [Nile] Delta
In addition to which, wouldn't the destruction of Pharaoh's army (in the wake of plagues, no less!) create a power vacuum, leading neighboring countries to carve up Egypt?
11-18-2001, 01:30 PM
Sorry, folks, but this thread is too long. I'm gonna have to shut it down, even if it HAS been fun.
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