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05-31-1999, 03:33 PM
Get your minds out of the gutter, you pervs.

I was reading a book about Watergate and I was wondering about the identity of "Deep Throat". The book mentioned several possibilities: Robert Bennett, Ken Clawson, Mark Felt, David Gergen, Alexander Haig, Bobby Ray Inman. I once read that Woodward was surprised that his identity had stayed secret this long and that he would "eventually" reveal who Deep Throat was.

So my question is: Who do you think he (or she) was?

05-31-1999, 09:34 PM
Woodward has said he will reveal DT's identity after the source's death. I think it's more fun to keep it a mystery.

05-31-1999, 11:26 PM
I considered Al Haig for awhile but as sleazy an opportunist as he is, I would have thought that (were it actually him) he would have come forward after Nixon died.

My gut feeling has always been that Deep Throat was none other than Diane Sawyer.

06-01-1999, 10:35 AM
I have wondered for a long time: What happens if Woodward dies before Deep Throat? Is DT named in Woodward's will, or is it written down elsewhere, or something?

06-01-1999, 10:35 AM
I have wondered for a long time: What happens if Woodward dies before Deep Throat? Is DT named in Woodward's will, or is it written down elsewhere, or something?

06-01-1999, 10:38 AM
Keeves: Was the double-post an error or do you just like saying Deep Throat?

06-01-1999, 11:00 AM
Read on the news a year or so back that they claimed it was Diane Sawyer. Really. & why not?

06-01-1999, 11:19 AM
I have wondered for a long time: What happens if Woodward dies before Deep Throat? Is DT named in Woodward's will, or is it written down elsewhere, or something?

I read a book about Woodward and Bernstein's writing of the book The Final Days. W&B promised their sources for that book that they would not reveal their identities in the book, but they had all the original interviews sealed and stored (by a university library if I recall correctly) so that future historians would be able to use the information they gathered. Presumedly they have done the same with their Watergate information.

06-01-1999, 11:22 AM
Maybe I'm confused, but didn't I see video proof that it was Linda Lovelace?

06-02-1999, 12:03 AM
I'm a bit young to know alot about Watergate (mid 20's), but I have been told many times that Diane Sawyer was Deep Throat.

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06-03-1999, 02:56 PM
What am I missing here re Diane Sawyer? Is the joke going over my head, or is there some actual connection between Watergate and Diane Sawyer that I don't know about?

I think it's entirely possible that there was no DT. Remember, he didn't provide any information; he only confirmed what W&B already knew. Their bosses had made it clear that they needed multiple confirmations on everything, so maybe they just made up a mysterious guy in a parking garage.
-- Greg, Atlanta

06-03-1999, 04:40 PM
IIRC Diane Sawyer was a White House staffer in '72-'73.

06-03-1999, 05:55 PM
When confronted with it DS denied she was DT, of course.

06-03-1999, 06:20 PM
Didn't any of you people see the movie? Deep Throat was Hal Holbrook.

Sheesh!

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KneadToKnow
11-08-2000, 02:22 PM
Sorry to re-open old wounds, but this is prompted by Bravo's recent re-airing of All the President's Men.

I noticed the very first time I ever saw it that Hal Holbrook, who plays Deep Throat, also appeared to provide the voice for Ken Clawson. So today I got curious and went to IMDB to see who is credited as providing Ken Clawson's voice.

No one is listed. As far as the credits go, Ken Clawson never appears in the movie.

Anybody have thoughts on this?

Arken
11-08-2000, 02:48 PM
I heard a theory recently that Deep Throat was Kissinger! Kissinger knew that it was all about to be discovered and revealed all to protect himself.

Irishman
11-08-2000, 03:35 PM
No no no! Deep Throat was two teenage girls who accidentally got to be White House dog walkers and stumbled onto the secret information.

What, I'm the only one who saw "Dick"?

(Wait, that really sounds bad.)

Sofa King
11-08-2000, 03:43 PM
Okay, this is a bit of a reach, but James West Davidson and Mark Hamilton Lytle have written up an article about the sources cited in the sequal to All the President's Men, The Final Days. The book is After the Fact, and it may well be the source cited above by my electronic cousin, Mike King.

In that article ("Instant Watergate," pp. 395-424), which is essentially a tutorial on historical methodology, they analyze the style of writing that Woodward and Bernstein use and the point of view from which the various characters are portrayed, and make some intriguing guesses as to whom was supplying information to the journalists. They can do this because The Final Days is written in a different perspective than their first book. The methodology is questionable, but it makes for a "good guess."

They draw these conclusions:

* David Eisenhower and Patrick Buchanan were key sources for Nixon family and background material.

* Alexander Haig and Henry Kissinger did not talk to W & B for this book.

* White House attorney J. Fred Buzhardt was quite the gabber. Buzhardt was part of the crisis control team formed to counteract the revelations of the White House break-in. Buzhardt was also very close to Alexander Haig. His point of view is used the most extensively in The Final Days, and is probably the person W & B mention interviewing seventeen times in the making of the book. Buzhardt has admited to contributing information to W & B (as has David Eisenhower).

Buzhardt, by virtue of his close relationship to Haig, could have supplied some of the very sensitive Deep Throat information that points to Alexander Haig, and could be an excellent candidate for the mythical Deep Throat.

Except for one thing: he's been dead since 1984.

That leads to another possibility, that Deep Throat is a compilation of reliable sources designed to protect the contributors and also to prevent any one person from being identified as a confidential source. This is an often-used journalistic, but not historical, technique. The invention of such a character would allow W & B to "spice up" the story with the parking lot scenes and the taxi switch-ups, making the book more exciting, but still allow them to report the facts as they learned them.

If I remember correctly (and I'm sure I'll be proven otherwise in a hurry if I don't), Deep Throat is not cited as providing any additional information for The Final Days, which would make sense if "he" were a mosaic character in the first book. He would be an unsuitable character for a book that purports to be a work of so-called "hot history," which is how TFD is written.

My best guess: Deep Throat is Buzhardt, Buchanan, and Eisenhower, with perhaps a few others tossed into the mix as confirmation sources. We'll just have to wait and see.

But remember, if Deep Throat never existed, he can't really "die" either, can he?

Sofa King
11-08-2000, 03:55 PM
Let me point out a mistake I made above. Buzhardt could have confirmed some of the information that W & B had. He also could have supplied a lot of the non-DT information, and Buchanan or Eisenhower could have confirmed that in the guise of Deep Throat. As stated by GregAtlanta Deep Throat wasn't really a supplier of information, but "he" was several people contributing and confirming, it works out.

Milton De La Warre
11-09-2000, 12:09 PM
Len Colodony (probably misspelled) did a book called "Silent Coup" in which he claimed --among other things--- that DT was Haig on the grounds that Haig knew Woodward from when W was in the Navy working as a liason officer, where he'd have met Haig mre or less frequently. Thus, the story goes, Haig knew a journalist that could be relied on to keep his pie hole closed where it counted. And as was said above, Haig was just the guy to do a Senajus on Tiberius Dick.

I believe the author of the book was sued by John Dean because of allegations that Dean manipulated events to become the behind the scenes author of Watergate. I think also that Gordon Liddy was sued by Dean for repeating the substance of the book (as it related to Dean) on his radio show.

Supposedly, the mission of the WG break in that was busted was to get a book out of a desk in an otherwise empty office in the WGate Demo HQ. A&E did a bit called "The Key to Watergate" that discusses this, but not the DT angle.

It seems pretty stupid to me, but the story (as I recall it)is that the book in the desk had pictures, phone numbers, and names of hookers in it that Democratic out-of-towners would use as a sort of menu for after hours entertainment. They'd supposedly then use the (bugged) phone at the desk to call to arrange liasons, and these calls could then supposedly be enough to somehow blackmail the guys into whatever. What is even more far-fetched is that it's alleged that the customers would indicate in writing in the book who they were, what they wanted from which service provider, etc., and that getting the book via a break-in (along with the telephone tapes made from HoJo's across the street) would then provide totally damning evidence against the lot. IMHO, they only thing they'd have got (assuming the story is true, which is a stretch) is some ambiguous stuff on a lot of guys going by "John Smith".

Milton De La Warre
11-09-2000, 12:35 PM
I meant to add that I concur with the opinion that DT is really a composite character, the product of creative journalism. I heard that Woodward got rapped for the credibility of the supposed deathbead CIA-Iran-Contra-Whatever else "confessions" of William Casey, which according to what I've read never took place. DT may well be in that vein of creative writing, with some tips, tidbits, and gossip supplied by various disgruntled White House employees of high and low station.

I also want to add that while "Silent Coup" makes interesting reading, I was rather skeptical. I want proof.

Tinker Grey
11-09-2000, 01:08 PM
Jimmy James!

Tinker

Montfort
11-09-2000, 08:49 PM
Cecil Adams is Deep Throat.

(Or is he? In any case, this is one way to get a definitive answer: incur the Master.)

Guinastasia
11-09-2000, 10:00 PM
My history prof thinks it might be Kissinger?
BTW, is Kissinger a big conservative?

CurtC
11-09-2000, 10:37 PM
Guinastasia wrote:
BTW, is Kissinger a big conservative?

He's about as big as a henway.

Little Nemo
11-10-2000, 12:11 AM
Jeez, this is a blast from the past. Next there'll be a post revealing who did the voicework on the Bonzo Dog Band's We Are Normal.

Anyway, Sofa is right, the book I was mentioning was After the Fact. Taking every chance I get to plug it, I want to add this book is great and I recommend everyone read it.

In addition, there's a new book out on the subject, In Search of Deep Throat: The Greatest Political Mystery of Our Time by Leonard Garment. I haven't read it yet, but I'd like to hear from anyone who has and what they think of it. In fact, before opening this thread, I assumed that it was revived by the recent publication of this book.

casdave
11-10-2000, 05:00 PM
I've alway admired the courage of that/these people/person as they went up against the entire security appuratus of the US.

They really should be recognised with some honour for the service they renedered to citizens of the US at great personal risk.

MovieMogul
11-10-2000, 07:19 PM
...but I have been told many times that Diane Sawyer was Deep Throat.

I guess we'd have to ask Mike Nichols.

Little Nemo
11-10-2000, 11:15 PM
I've alway admired the courage of that/these people/person as they went up against the entire security appuratus of the US.

They really should be recognised with some honour for the service they renedered to citizens of the US at great personal risk.

Tragically, life doesn't play out like the movies.

In 1972, Frank Wills was the security guard who noticed a door at the Watergate Hotel had been tampered with. He investigated and discovered the burglars. Essentially, you can say that if Frank Wills hadn't been doing his job that night, Nixon and his gang would have gotten away with everything.

However, while a number of the Watergate conspirators went on to lucrative careers exploiting their crimes, Wills faded into obscurity (with the exception that he played himself in the 1976 film All the President's Men). Wills lost his job and had a hard time finding another. He was told by one University that fired him that they feared a loss of their Federal grants if they kept him as an employee. In 1983, Wills was again in the news when he shoplifted a pair of shoes to give to his son as a birthday gift. Wills eventually moved in with his mother and they lived off her social security checks. When she died in 1992, Wills was so poor he couldn't afford to pay for her funeral and had to donate her body to science.

About a year ago, Wills developed a brain tumor, and after several months of illness died on September 27, 2000. He was 52.