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k9bfriender 01-14-2018 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derleth (Post 20723412)
Therefore, to someone out in the Trump Swamp, I'm a Liberal CommieSocialist Eurofag Pinko, and to someone in the Marx Mire, I'm a Fascist Republican Brownshirt.

So, that makes you a Libafascist Compublican Pinkshirt?

Derleth 01-14-2018 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k9bfriender (Post 20723509)
So, that makes you a Libafascist Compublican Pinkshirt?

There are people who will, to this day, go to the mat for the idea that the Nazis were a Leftist group. I've seen two arguments to this effect:

First Argument: "It's in the name, innit? National SOCIALISM, innit? Ah-ha! You can't fool me, with your fancy facts!"

Second Argument: "Big government is a feature of Leftist regimes. The most Right-wing political philosophy is Anarchism, so the most Left-wing philosophy is Dictatorship. My political worldview begins circa 1980, and is entirely limited to one or, maybe, two countries."

The underlying argument is a complete inability to look at context, which is the fact that the Nazis and Fascism in general were reactions to Marxism and a perceived social decline in the wake of the First World War, the fact the elements of the Nazi Party that wanted to reform the economy (the Strasserists) were forced out in the Night of the Long Knives, and the simple fact that Right governments have often been Dictatorships, when they weren't Absolute Monarchies.

Underlying the underlying is their eternal desire to poke at Leftists, no matter how ignorant and stupid they must become to do so.

Chimera 01-14-2018 11:08 PM

Just as the official name of North Korea, the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" is factually correct only in the last word.

gaffa 01-15-2018 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elucidator (Post 20720733)
You get more flies with honey than with vinegar. Shit works best, of course....

I laughed out loud.

HMS Irruncible 01-15-2018 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spice Weasel (Post 20720565)
Liberals are known for worshipping the military? What?

WillFarnaby is a nutjob, but ever after 9/11 both liberals and conservatives have tried to outdo each other with public expression of piety over The Troops as political cover for some other agenda. This is just my view, but liberals seem especially eager to overcompensate for the historical perception that they're against the military. And of course, nobody is allowed to criticize The War without first gushing over how they love The Troops.

(disclaimer: am former Troop, do not care if you love me).

Translucent Daydream 01-15-2018 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HMS Irruncible (Post 20725118)

(disclaimer: am former Troop, do not care if you love me).

But thanks for serving. You could suck as a person in real life, but thanks for signing up to be a troop.


You don’t seem to suck.

eschereal 01-15-2018 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HMS Irruncible (Post 20725118)
(disclaimer: am former Troop, do not care if you love me).

You used to be a bunch of people?

HMS Irruncible 01-15-2018 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eschereal (Post 20725204)
You used to be a bunch of people?

You seem confused about something. 9 seconds of Googling should help you clear that up.

ElvisL1ves 01-15-2018 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eschereal (Post 20725204)
You used to be a bunch of people?

That's a troupe.

madmonk28 01-15-2018 06:45 PM

Holy shit, Ditka’s stupid.

Sherrerd 01-15-2018 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HMS Irruncible (Post 20725118)
(disclaimer: am former Troop, do not care if you love me).

Troop, or troop ship?

Vinyl Turnip 01-15-2018 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madmonk28 (Post 20726018)
Holy shit, Ditka’s stupid.

Valiant attempt to steer the thread back onto its rails. The feigned surprise is a bit much, though, considering.

eschereal 01-15-2018 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madmonk28 (Post 20726018)
Holy shit, Ditka’s stupid.

Apparently he takes his username from a former football coach who is a fucking asswit.

running coach 01-15-2018 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eschereal (Post 20726270)
Apparently he takes his username from a former football coach who is a fucking asswit.

And a blowhard.

septimus 01-17-2018 05:22 AM

What makes dialog with right-wingers frustrating is their lack of perspective, or even self-awareness. Starving Artist, for example, was pleased by his own Medicare experience, but still opposes public health funding since it will eventually turn the U.S. into a socialist hell-hole like Canada.

Ditka is of course smarter than an oaf like Starving but finds Hillary's ignorance about guns to be a more important topic than whether Trump is a fraudster.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HurricaneDitka (Post 20728795)
In your view, is Trump University one of the top 10 most important things that has happened during his Presidency / the campaign?

I ask Dopers: Would the following be a fair summary of Ditka's performance in that thread?
Mr. Ditka has indicated that the fraud allegations against Trump U., while probably valid, are too irrelevant for comment, and certainly less important than any misspeakings by the candidate the fraudster defeated in 2016.
I've asked Mr. Ditka to research Trump U. and report his conclusions. I will retract the above comment if/when he demonstrates sentience.

Vinyl Turnip 01-17-2018 08:00 AM

Buddy, you don't know Ditka from Shinola.

Shodan 01-17-2018 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by septimus (Post 20728907)
What makes dialog with right-wingers frustrating is their lack of perspective, or even self-awareness. Starving Artist, for example, was pleased by his own Medicare experience, but still opposes public health funding since it will eventually turn the U.S. into a socialist hell-hole like Canada.

Ditka is of course smarter than an oaf like Starving but finds Hillary's ignorance about guns to be a more important topic than whether Trump is a fraudster.



I ask Dopers: Would the following be a fair summary of Ditka's performance in that thread?
Mr. Ditka has indicated that the fraud allegations against Trump U., while probably valid, are too irrelevant for comment, and certainly less important than any misspeakings by the candidate the fraudster defeated in 2016.
I've asked Mr. Ditka to research Trump U. and report his conclusions. I will retract the above comment if/when he demonstrates sentience.

Shut up, you fucking troll.

Regards,
Shodan

SingleMalt 01-17-2018 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by septimus (Post 20728907)
What makes dialog with right-wingers frustrating is their lack of perspective, or even self-awareness. Starving Artist, for example, was pleased by his own Medicare experience, but still opposes public health funding since it will eventually turn the U.S. into a socialist hell-hole like Canada.

Ditka is of course smarter than an oaf like Starving but finds Hillary's ignorance about guns to be a more important topic than whether Trump is a fraudster.



I ask Dopers: Would the following be a fair summary of Ditka's performance in that thread?
Mr. Ditka has indicated that the fraud allegations against Trump U., while probably valid, are too irrelevant for comment, and certainly less important than any misspeakings by the candidate the fraudster defeated in 2016.
I've asked Mr. Ditka to research Trump U. and report his conclusions. I will retract the above comment if/when he demonstrates sentience.


I'm glad you commented on this, as I was rather taken aback as well. He appears able to list chapter and verse on any number of Hillary Clinton's failings, but Trump University and the cataloging of Trump's 2000+ lies is beneath concern. How can one know what one opposes without understanding what one supports?

Shodan's eloquent rebuttal notwithstanding.

septimus 01-17-2018 10:45 AM

Shodan was eloquent? :eek: Please quote him when that happens, as otherwise his posts don't appear on my machine.

SingleMalt 01-17-2018 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by septimus (Post 20729334)
Shodan was eloquent? :eek: Please quote him when that happens, as otherwise his posts don't appear on my machine.

Well, "Shut up, you fucking troll" carries a certain amount of pithiness, even if it doesn't advance the conversation. I don't set a very high bar for his contributions.

In other words, you didn't miss anything.

ElvisL1ves 01-17-2018 11:07 AM

He does use upper and lower case appropriately, and shows a command of punctuation rules. That counts as eloquent for the faction expressing the views he does.

Chimera 01-17-2018 02:37 PM

Yes, blathering on about Clinton (alleged) crimes even after they're both retired from politics and can no longer spring from under the beds of conservative children and eat them is a perfectly valid thing in their eyes, but to question THE DONALD on anything makes you a troll. :rolleyes:

septimus 01-18-2018 09:04 AM

Speaking of Hurricane: These dolts keep whining "We're sentient humans too; treat us with a little respect and we can have intelligent dialog." In the thread I just cited Hurricane's comments included
* "You want him impeached for being unprofessional?"
* "[Trump's] nature is a bit direct and brash, so it's wouldn't be entirely unsurprising or out of character for him."
* I suspect Durbin was more interested in the political harm it would cause Trump than the international harm it would cause America. One might even say he put "party before country".
* "I think most politicians lie, prevaricate, obfuscate, exaggerate, etc and that Trump, at least in that way, is a very typical politician."
* "I already believe he behaves like a typical politician"

Does this sound like a man who thinks Trump is despicable? If I were a right-winger who despised that fraudster I might write "Of course I detest the man but I'm delighted we have an R in the Oval." Not Hurricane. He wouldn't even concede that Trump is a worse human than Hillary.

We're here to fight ignorance, so I invited him to educate himself about Trump U. "Is it important?" he asked. Not unless it would bother you that a detestable man is in the White House. He goaded me into wasting more and more time and finally wrote
Quote:

Originally Posted by HurricaneDitka (Post 20731016)
But, to get at (what I think is) the heart of the matter, I didn't think much of Trump's character before I learned that the "textbooks" at Trump U were photocopies or the teaching staff was of low quality. He's on his third marriage, is dishonest and mean-spirited, etc. Not someone I'd want to hang out with, not someone I'd trust to be alone around my wife / daughter, and not someone I'd pay huge sums of money to learn their real estate tricks and tips. I don't even want to spend the money to buy his book or the time to read it. Whatever the details of Trump U are seem unlikely to substantially alter that assessment. Does that make sense why it does not seem very interesting or important to me?

My response was
Quote:

Originally Posted by septimus (Post 20731198)
IOW, your opinion of the fraudster's character and life story is about the same as your opinion about Hillary Clinton. Got it.

If you already knew he was a massive fraudster (or planned on pretending to have already known) you could have saved us much time.

No sense my Googling for the credible evidence that Trump is a child rapist. Hillary allegedly ran child sex slaves out of a pizza parlor and the patriot who showed up to rescue them wasn't even allowed in the basement. Neither Trump nor Clinton was convicted, so, again, Same-same. Got it.

I have more respect for imbeciles like Shodan and Starving Artist. My friend has a lovely daughter with Down's Syndrome, who has a kind and beautiful disposition. But she doesn't live in America. It's sad how stupid people develop twisted beliefs in today's America through no fault of their own. But Hurricane probably has average-plus intelligence and still believes (or pretends to believe) that Hillary's confusion about sniper-fire and silencers makes her the moral equivalent of a criminal child rapist and con man. :smack:

I tried to give him a chance. But now I join in this Pitting.

Shodan 01-18-2018 09:46 AM

Shut up, you fucking troll.

Regards,
Shodan

eschereal 01-18-2018 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by septimus (Post 20729334)
Shodan was eloquent? :eek: Please quote him when that happens, as otherwise his posts don't appear on my machine.

He does not get much better than this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shodan (Post 20731425)
Shut up, you fucking troll.

Willie the Shake could not write poetry that good.

Chimera 01-18-2018 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shodan (Post 20731425)
Shut up, you fucking troll.

Regards,
Shodan

Stop whining, you fucking baby.

Disregards,
Chimera

Morgenstern 01-18-2018 12:09 PM

Careful there. I got mod noted for signing my posts to him with...

Regards,
My Ass

I'm not allowed to do that anymore.

Derleth 01-18-2018 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shodan (Post 20731425)
Shut up, you fucking troll.

Regards,
Shodan

Jesus, you're whiny. Par for the course for Republicans these days, but you're just... really bad at it.

And your stupid little tagline... do you retype the whole thing every single time, or is there a textfile on your computer you copy and paste? Regardless, it's too much work for something absolutely nobody fucking cares about, which you only do in a vain attempt to troll someone, anyone, who isn't already put off by your sterling personality and unparalleled use of language, which you demonstrate in this shining gem of a post.

WillFarnaby 01-18-2018 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by begbert2 (Post 20720696)
I have no fondness whatsoever for the military, or its 'heroes', but this:
is just so spectacularly stupid that even I can't let it pass.

Most people who join the military do so because it's a paying job that they've been told will teach them skills for free while letting them help their country.

You could, in theory, argue that it requires ignorance to believe that being a member of the military helps the country. You can't possibly make a sane argument that wanting a paying job or free skills training is evil, and you can't make any sort of coherent argument whatsoever that malice or ambition has anything to do with it at all. That's just crazy.

Look, I don't think there's anything praiseworthy about being a soldier, but it's mouth-frothingly deranged to claim you have to be some kind of demon to want to be one. Stuff like that gives you so much credibility that if you told me it was sunny outside I'd grab an umbrella.

Joining the military to gain skills has nothing to do with ambition? Hmmm.





Hmmmmmmmm.

eschereal 01-18-2018 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillFarnaby (Post 20732156)
Joining the military to gain skills has nothing to do with ambition?

Stop being the fucking moron that you seem to be unable to not be. Persons with ambition do not “join” the military, they align themselves on a career path aimed toward the brass. People who “join” the military (enlist) are mostly just looking for a job and a packet of benefits. And maybe the opportunity to see the world, meet people from different cultures and kill them.

manson1972 01-18-2018 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eschereal (Post 20732215)
Persons with ambition do not “join” the military, they align themselves on a career path aimed toward the brass. People who “join” the military (enlist) are mostly just looking for a job and a packet of benefits. And maybe the opportunity to see the world, meet people from different cultures and kill them.

As a retired enlisted person, I would have to say that almost everything you write here is incorrect.

Lemur866 01-18-2018 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shodan (Post 20731425)
Shut up, you fucking troll.

Regards,
Shodan

So Shodan,

Do you think Tim McVeigh had a point when he bombed the Oklahoma City federal building?

Why or why not?

Shodan 01-18-2018 04:04 PM

Gosh, aren't you clever.

Regards,
Shodan

WillFarnaby 01-18-2018 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eschereal (Post 20732215)
Stop being the fucking moron that you seem to be unable to not be. Persons with ambition do not “join” the military, they align themselves on a career path aimed toward the brass. People who “join” the military (enlist) are mostly just looking for a job and a packet of benefits. And maybe the opportunity to see the world, meet people from different cultures and kill them.

Ohhh. Ok. You just don’t know what ambition means. I thought we had an ideological argument. There isn’t one yet. You’re still struggling with vocabulary.

Bryan Ekers 01-18-2018 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemur866 (Post 20732262)
So Shodan,

Do you think Tim McVeigh had a point when he bombed the Oklahoma City federal building?

Why or why not?

Hey, there were very fine people on both sides of that bombing.

John Mace 01-18-2018 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemur866 (Post 20732262)
So Shodan,

Do you think Tim McVeigh had a point when he bombed the Oklahoma City federal building?

Why or why not?

I think he had a point. An entirely unreasonable point, but a point nonetheless!

Lemur866 01-18-2018 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shodan (Post 20732353)
Gosh, aren't you clever.

Regards,
Shodan

Dude, come on. Ditka's being pitted here BECAUSE he posted that McVeigh had a point when he detonated that truck bomb.

What's your opinion? I mean, I think I can guess your opinion about the bombing itself, although feel free to set me straight if you hold an unpopular opinion on the subject.

I'm asking you what's your opinion about Ditka here?

Chimera 01-18-2018 06:20 PM

I'm going to assume he has regards for H-Ditka.

John Mace 01-18-2018 06:25 PM

Just to be clear, the actual quote is:

Quote:

Originally Posted by HurricaneDitka
I think Timothy McVeigh's actions were not an entirely unreasonable reaction to Ruby Ridge and Waco.

To paraphrase is to invite obfuscation.

running coach 01-18-2018 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chimera (Post 20732675)
I'm going to assume he has regards for H-Ditka.

Is that code for a man-crush?

Chimera 01-18-2018 06:36 PM

To be honest, I would hope that such a statement puts H-Ditka on the FBI's watch list.

k9bfriender 01-18-2018 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Mace (Post 20732684)
Just to be clear, the actual quote is:



To paraphrase is to invite obfuscation.

Yes, it is good that the actual quote is there. McVeigh certainly had a point he was trying to get across, of that there is no doubt.

The question is, is whether or not targeting and killing civilians is a reasonable reaction to some somewhat controversial government actions.

I'm on team "no" on that one.

k9bfriender 01-18-2018 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chimera (Post 20732706)
To be honest, I would hope that such a statement puts H-Ditka on the FBI's watch list.

I doubt it, it's not like the post was on Hillary's email server or anything.

John Mace 01-18-2018 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chimera (Post 20732706)
To be honest, I would hope that such a statement puts H-Ditka on the FBI's watch list.

We're all on that list. ;)

Chimera 01-18-2018 07:06 PM

I'm not. :D

Vinyl Turnip 01-18-2018 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Mace (Post 20732684)
Just to be clear, the actual quote is:


To paraphrase is to invite obfuscation.

Obfuscation, like maybe, "I didn't specify which actions"?

Shodan 01-19-2018 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derleth (Post 20731792)
Jesus, you're whiny. Par for the course for Republicans these days, but you're just... really bad at it.

And your stupid little tagline... do you retype the whole thing every single time, or is there a textfile on your computer you copy and paste? Regardless, it's too much work for something absolutely nobody fucking cares about, which you only do in a vain attempt to troll someone, anyone, who isn't already put off by your sterling personality and unparalleled use of language, which you demonstrate in this shining gem of a post.

I don't suppose anyone else recognizes the irony of a post accusing me of whining, and then immediately whining about an issue that has been beaten to death in a half-dozen threads, as well as being the subject of an explicit and direct mod ruling.

I swear, you people bring self-parody to the level of performance art.

Regards,
Shodan

Morgenstern 01-19-2018 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shodan (Post 20733653)
I don't suppose anyone else recognizes the irony of a post accusing me of whining, and then immediately whining about an issue that has been beaten to death in a half-dozen threads, as well as being the subject of an explicit and direct mod ruling.

I swear, you people bring self-parody to the level of performance art.

Regards,
Shodan

Don't let the door hit ya....we won't miss ya.

elucidator 01-19-2018 11:38 AM

Whoa, steady up, there, big horse! He's the conservative gadfly who mocks the pretensions and hypocrisy of the the left! Where could we find another with such eloquence and warm good humor?

Fotheringay-Phipps 01-19-2018 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elucidator (Post 20734113)
He's the conservative gadfly who mocks the pretensions and hypocrisy of the the left!

Might almost describe him as a conservative version of elucidator ...


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