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Velocity 10-03-2019 01:33 AM

How will Trump's presidency end? (poll as of October 2019)
 
Opinion seems to shift up and down and all over the place as the Trump presidency has gone on, but it is trending harder and harder in the direction that "Trump will be removed from office against his will" these days.


So - regardless of your opinion of him - what's your prediction for how his presidency ends?

CarnalK 10-03-2019 01:37 AM

Lol. "Regardless of your opinion of him".

Velocity 10-03-2019 01:37 AM

(Edit/note): If Trump is defeated in the 2020 election, that falls under category 1#.

galen ubal 10-03-2019 02:24 AM

You left off "refuses to honor the results of the election/impeachment, and has to be removed from the White House, all the while calling for his faithful to riot." Though I suppose that might be covered under "Other Answer"

That's my guess, at this point.

CarnalK 10-03-2019 02:30 AM

So, "loses in 2020" isn't an option. That's an "other answer"?

kambuckta 10-03-2019 03:43 AM

As the shit hits the fan, Putin (and perhaps other despots) realize that Trump is more of a liability than an asset and is disposed of by a mysterious malady, perhaps delivered by the Umbrella Vector.

AK84 10-03-2019 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kambuckta (Post 21894996)
As the shit hits the fan, Putin (and perhaps other despots) realize that Trump is more of a liability than an asset and is disposed of by a mysterious malady, perhaps delivered by the Umbrella Vector.

In what world is Trump not anything but an asset for Putin?

Boris Yeltsin on the Potomac is good for Russia.

Little Nemo 10-03-2019 09:18 AM

I think he'll beat the impeachment and stay in office. No President has ever been removed from office and Trump has the Senate and Supreme Court covering for him.

But I predict he'll lose the 2020 election. I won't call it a sure thing though. I'm confident he'll lose the general election again but he might end up winning the EC vote.

Little Nemo 10-03-2019 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kambuckta (Post 21894996)
As the shit hits the fan, Putin (and perhaps other despots) realize that Trump is more of a liability than an asset and is disposed of by a mysterious malady, perhaps delivered by the Umbrella Vector.

Trump is serving Russian interests just by being an incompetent President. American weakness helps Russia.

BeepKillBeep 10-03-2019 09:25 AM

Loathe Trump. I think there's a 50/50 chance he loses the upcoming election. I don't think he'll be removed from office. The Republicans have no honor and no love of country. Deep down I think they, and a significant number of their supporters (probably about 10-20% of Americans), want the Democrats to be outlawed and for the country to be a single-party authoritarian state so that they can loot it without any resistance at all (not that there's that much resistance right now). If he serves another term, then I think there's a small but significant chance he dies in office. Voted #1.

enipla 10-03-2019 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Little Nemo (Post 21895253)
Trump is serving Russian interests just by being an incompetent President. American weakness helps Russia.

And don't forget the entertainment factor for Putin. ROFLhisAO

Crotalus 10-03-2019 09:40 AM

I believe that he will resign with a pardon deal from Pence.

ETA: I believe that as the election approaches, he will become convinced that his odds are better resigning and taking a pardon than losing and facing trying to pardon himself.

BobLibDem 10-03-2019 09:45 AM

Heart says he dies in office from an overdose of hamberders.

Head says he survives impeachment but loses the 2020 election.

I voted for die because I want to be right.

RTFirefly 10-03-2019 09:45 AM

Some say his Presidency will end in fire,
some say in ice.

I think it will end in one last loud, angry, but pathetic rant as the men in the white coats come to take him away after his Cabinet finally invokes the 25th Amendment.

(Actually, I have no idea.)

KarlGauss 10-03-2019 10:22 AM

He will be given the choice of being the second president to resign or the first to be removed from office by impeachment.

I think he will resign when the rats who've deserted his ship confront him with this offer.

Gyrate 10-03-2019 11:12 AM

I have no fucking idea. We are way out past the bounds of historical precedent or rational assumption. Who could have predicted that we'd be where we are now?

At this point I'm half expecting the 2020 election to be heavily hacked, Trump to "win" or otherwise stay on with the ongoing support of the Senate then become increasingly deranged and eventually "step down for health reasons" or die in office from being fat and stupid, and the nation will continue its slide into irrelevance, discord and ruin.

Velocity 10-03-2019 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarnalK (Post 21894949)
So, "loses in 2020" isn't an option. That's an "other answer"?

See Post #3.

Exapno Mapcase 10-03-2019 12:09 PM

I've been saying for years that Trump will leave the presidency before the end of this term. How that happens is a lottery. I can concoct a dozen scenarios but prediction is futile in this mad world.

Euphonious Polemic 10-03-2019 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by galen ubal (Post 21894945)
You left off "refuses to honor the results of the election/impeachment, and has to be removed from the White House, all the while calling for his faithful to riot." Though I suppose that might be covered under "Other Answer"

That's my guess, at this point.

This. My thoughts exactly. I voted "other"

Fiveyearlurker 10-03-2019 12:19 PM

Does "Trump leaves on his own terms after serving either four or eight years in office, like normal presidents" include being voted out and needing to be removed from office anyway?

Tired and Cranky 10-03-2019 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crotalus (Post 21895304)
I believe that he will resign with a pardon deal from Pence.

He will pardon himself before he leaves office, along with every family member and crony in his administration.

Little Nemo 10-03-2019 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTFirefly (Post 21895323)
Some say his Presidency will end in fire

That's what I'm worried about; the period between November 3, 2020 if Trump loses the election and January 20, 2021 when the new President takes over. Trump will have lost but he'll still have control of nuclear weapons. And I can't imagine him accepting defeat quietly.

bump 10-03-2019 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Little Nemo (Post 21895855)
That's what I'm worried about; the period between November 3, 2020 if Trump loses the election and January 20, 2021 when the new President takes over. Trump will have lost but he'll still have control of nuclear weapons. And I can't imagine him accepting defeat quietly.

Sure, but all he's got is the launch authorization codes. The orders still have to go through the relevant command authorities (i.e. the Pentagon), and to the actual commanders in the field (i.e. the guys near the silos/bomber pilots/sub commanders).

All of which can and probably would refuse an unhinged first-strike order as unlawful (military officers are ethically bound to refuse unlawful orders) during that November-January period that you mention.

Akaj 10-03-2019 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by galen ubal (Post 21894945)
You left off "refuses to honor the results of the election/impeachment, and has to be removed from the White House, all the while calling for his faithful to riot." Though I suppose that might be covered under "Other Answer"

That's my guess, at this point.

This is my "other" scenario, too. He survives impeachment (perhaps even multiple impeachments) because the Senate but the ongoing revelations destroy his candidacy. Then he spends the next two months foaming at the mouth and has to be forcibly removed from the White House.

Renee 10-03-2019 03:34 PM

He just seems so fucking crazy lately. I'm wondering if he won't be removed via the 25th. The best scenario for the Republicans (and maybe the country) is if he dies in office of natural causes.

Boycott 10-03-2019 04:00 PM

He loses in 2020. Doesn't invite President-elect for the transition meeting at the White House. Only media communication is Twitter and calling into Fox News. Leaves the White House to spend Christmas at Mar a Lago and never returns back. On January 20th he skips the inauguration to play golf instead.

Euphonious Polemic 10-03-2019 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renee (Post 21896172)
He just seems so fucking crazy lately. I'm wondering if he won't be removed via the 25th. The best scenario for the Republicans (and maybe the country) is if he dies in office of natural causes.

The added bonus would be to watch the MAGA-heads explode with multiple contradictory conspiracy theories.

Euphonious Polemic 10-03-2019 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boycott (Post 21896251)
He loses in 2020. Doesn't invite President-elect for the transition meeting at the White House. Only media communication is Twitter and calling into Fox News. Leaves the White House to spend Christmas at Mar a Lago and never returns back. On January 20th he skips the inauguration to play golf instead.

This is very likely.

Small possibility he adds some tweets in there about encouraging his supporters to take up arms and kill some "enemies"

Larger possibility he leaves a steaming dump in the middle of the Oval office rug.

FlikTheBlue 10-03-2019 04:08 PM

I think he'll be impeached and acquitted by the senate. At this time I think the odds of Trump winning in 2020 are in the 30-40 percent range, so I'm guessing leaves after the 2020 election.

Aspenglow 10-03-2019 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by galen ubal (Post 21894945)
You left off "refuses to honor the results of the election/impeachment, and has to be removed from the White House, all the while calling for his faithful to riot." Though I suppose that might be covered under "Other Answer"

That's my guess, at this point.

This is what I think, too. It fuels my fantasies to see him physically dislodged from the Oval Office, la cell extraction style.

Fretful Porpentine 10-03-2019 04:17 PM

I think he either loses in 2020 (and leaves office in due course, with a lot of sulking and sore-loser Tweets, but no serious attempt at a coup), or else other Republicans persuade him to develop a sudden flare-up of bone spurs and resign for "health reasons."

Sunny Daze 10-03-2019 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crotalus (Post 21895304)
I believe that he will resign with a pardon deal from Pence.

ETA: I believe that as the election approaches, he will become convinced that his odds are better resigning and taking a pardon than losing and facing trying to pardon himself.

I'm thinking impeachment, followed by a pardon deal exit.

BobLibDem 10-03-2019 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sunny Daze (Post 21896348)
I'm thinking impeachment, followed by a pardon deal exit.

Thank goodness for state prosecutors and courts who are unbound by federal pardons.

mjmlabs 10-03-2019 05:44 PM

Apoplexy within the next six months, based on what I've seen on TV the last few days, coupled with known lifestyle (hamberders, never walking when a golf cart is available, etc.).

Pence takes over via 25th and is trounced in 2020 by any Dem nominee.

The Tooth 10-03-2019 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tired and Cranky (Post 21895836)
He will pardon himself before he leaves office, along with every family member and crony in his administration.

As if they won't carry on criming crimily. Bust them for the crimes they commit post-pardon.

Tamerlane 10-03-2019 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Little Nemo (Post 21895249)
I think he'll beat the impeachment and stay in office. No President has ever been removed from office and Trump has the Senate and Supreme Court covering for him.

But I predict he'll lose the 2020 election. I won't call it a sure thing though. I'm confident he'll lose the general election again but he might end up winning the EC vote.

Pretty much this. I think the odds are pretty decent that Trump beats impeachment and just as good that he loses the election and that's what I would bet on if I had to.

But I won't be shocked if he is impeached, nor will I be shocked if he wins re-election. Nor, honestly, if he has a serious heart attack and retires. I still have expectations, but not much shocks me anymore.

Velocity 10-03-2019 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Little Nemo (Post 21895249)
Trump has the Senate and Supreme Court covering for him.

I'm not sure how the Supreme Court comes into play. If Trump is impeached, the Senate will either have a 2/3 majority to remove him from office, or it won't. SCOTUS wouldn't be involved.

madmonk28 10-03-2019 07:44 PM

I think Trump will be impeached, but not removed from office and then will lose in 2020.

Hari Seldon 10-03-2019 08:31 PM

If he lives so long and is reelected, I predict he will go for a third term. Not constitutional? Since when has that bothered Trump or the modern Republican party? Who will enforce it? But I question whether he will live so long. Whatever happens, he will not go quietly unless it is feet first. The XXVth amendment? Hah, he has surrounded himself with sycophants would never pull the plug.

KarlGauss 10-03-2019 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hari Seldon (Post 21896758)
Whatever happens, he will not go quietly . . .

A repentant Michael Cohen warned us.

RioRico 10-03-2019 09:10 PM

OTHER

Tramp will fake an emergency or nuke some appropriate target, declare martial law, round up dissidents... and then it'll get worse. "Not going quietly" to the max.

bobsmom101 10-03-2019 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RioRico (Post 21896824)
OTHER

Tramp will fake an emergency or nuke some appropriate target, declare martial law, round up dissidents... and then it'll get worse. "Not going quietly" to the max.

My worst fear as well, Rio. There will be an "incident," likely at a MAGA rally. ANTIFA will be implicated, and the Dems accused of aiding and abetting. Martial law will be imposed "to restore domestic order" and the election will be "postponed " indefinitely. No need for nukes.

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Lamoral 10-03-2019 10:56 PM

^ if you guys truly believe this, and you are not now at this very moment either stockpiling weapons and emergency supplies for an insurgency against this future regime, or making arrangements to be able to escape the country for another one when the time comes, then you do not actually believe it.

Velocity 10-03-2019 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamoral (Post 21897004)
^ if you guys truly believe this, and you are not now at this very moment either stockpiling weapons and emergency supplies for an insurgency against this future regime, or making arrangements to be able to escape the country for another one when the time comes, then you do not actually believe it.

What Lamoral said. This sounds no different than nutters claiming that Obama was coming to take all their guns. If people really believe that Trump is going to go all North Korean Kim dictator on them, they seem awfully chill about it.

Little Nemo 10-03-2019 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hari Seldon (Post 21896758)
If he lives so long and is reelected, I predict he will go for a third term. Not constitutional? Since when has that bothered Trump or the modern Republican party? Who will enforce it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobsmom101 (Post 21896896)
My worst fear as well, Rio. There will be an "incident," likely at a MAGA rally. ANTIFA will be implicated, and the Dems accused of aiding and abetting. Martial law will be imposed "to restore domestic order" and the election will be "postponed " indefinitely. No need for nukes.

I'm sure Trump dreams of being President-for-Life. But the minute he takes a step towards doing it, he makes an enemy out of every other Republican. Not because of principle but because of self-interest. Powerful Republicans are already dreaming of being Trump's successor in 2024. If Trump refuses to step down, he thwarts all those dreams. They'll be more eager to oust him than the Democrats are.

And Trump is barely hanging on with the Republican party doing all it can to prop him up. If he loses the support of the party, he wouldn't last a week.

Little Nemo 10-03-2019 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Velocity (Post 21896570)
I'm not sure how the Supreme Court comes into play. If Trump is impeached, the Senate will either have a 2/3 majority to remove him from office, or it won't. SCOTUS wouldn't be involved.

Sure it will. When Trump claims executive privilege and refuses to hand over evidence, where do you think the issue will end up?

Anny Middon 10-04-2019 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK84 (Post 21895004)
In what world is Trump not anything but an asset for Putin?

Boris Yeltsin on the Potomac is good for Russia.

It strikes me as at least possible that Putin decides a martyred Trump is more of an asset to him than the live, bumbling Trump.

Anny Middon 10-04-2019 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjmlabs (Post 21896451)
Apoplexy within the next six months, based on what I've seen on TV the last few days, coupled with known lifestyle (hamberders, never walking when a golf cart is available, etc.).

Pence takes over via 25th and is trounced in 2020 by any Dem nominee.

If Pence takes over via 25th, I don't think it's guaranteed that Pence becomes the GOP nominee in 2020. However, I have no idea what Pubs would be front-runners.

Wesley Clark 10-04-2019 05:33 PM

Trump loses in 2020, refuses to leave and is taken out of the white house forcefully.

XT 10-04-2019 05:37 PM

Haven't read the other responses, or looked at the poll results, but myself I think he's had his Nixon moment. I don't really think he was going to get re-elected, and there might not be time to impeach him now, but I think the answer, for me, is somewhere between impeached and resigns, with me leaning towards resign (though I answered impeached, but that's more what I want, not what I actually think will happen). It's possible, I suppose, that there really isn't time for him to be impeached, or that the Republicans will block any such move in the end (some number of them would have to go along for him to actually be fully impeached) and he'll just lose the election and that will be it (unless his actions can legally be gone after once he's not president anymore), but I think he's going to be just like Nixon, hounded out and pressured out, maybe by his own party trying to salvage something out of this rat fuck.

Or, I could just be dreaming and wishing...who knows?


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