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kayaker 05-13-2019 01:48 PM

Medical Marijuana discussion thread
 
In 2014 Pennsylvania held a gubernatorial election. Incumbent Tom Corbett had vowed to veto any marijuana legislation that crossed his desk. Tom Wolf was more cannabis friendly, so I began to urge friends to vote for the guy. Longstoryshort, Wolf was elected and a few years later he signed SB 3, allowing medical use of cannabis in PA for a short list of problems.

I recently decided to see if I could make the law work for me. I made a doctors appointment with my PCP (step 1 in PA). Things did not go well. When my doctor walked into the room, he went on the offensive, yelling at me for not coming in for 5 years. I fired back, saying it had been 3 years, which was when I'd had a stent placed in a coronary artery. Turns out he was correct (time flies). OK, I could see him being upset about me neglecting my health, but that wasn't why he was so pissed off. He was angry about the financial dent he experienced due to people not seeking health care. He was also pissed off because his employer (UPMC) required him to update all my medical stuff and that was hard work.

As he worked on updating me on his computer screen, he was not saving each update (I watched over his shoulder). He got frustrated and went to get someone to "fix" his terminal. While he was gone, I updated my info. When he returned he was surprised by what he saw, then realized I'd been messing with the system, and he started yelling at me about that. I pointed out that he didn't know what he was doing and I had plans later that day. When the office worker tried to ask if he needed her he yelled at her to get out.

When I finally mentioned the reason for my appointment (I always thought I had IBS, never sought medical care for it, now it was worse and I thought it would qualify as IBD, allowed in SB3) he laughed in my face. Sure, he'd be happy to diagnose me with IBD after referral for colonoscopy and a histopathologic diagnosis, otherwise he suggested I keep buying it on the street. I left his office pretty unhappy. A few days later my credit card company informed me that the $60 charge from my doctor (copay) had been returned to me. That's as close as he will come to an apology, I guess, as I won't be seeing him ever again.

I considered finding another PCP and starting from scratch, but I'd heard about a doctor who was pro-cannabis and who did certifications. (If my PCP gave me a diagnosis letter, my next step would be to see a physician who did certifications). She was awesome. We chatted for over an hour about my health. I had read about PTSD diagnosis (one of her specialties) and was hoping to qualify. I never lied, but I did emphasize areas of my history that I thought would help. Turns out I qualified! A week later the state sent me my ID card and that same day I visited 3 dispensaries.

TL,DR: I am legally using medical marijuana in PA and I am loving it.

Anyone else? Dispensary tips? Favorite strains?

kayaker 05-13-2019 02:03 PM

I've visited 3 dispensaries, each about a 50 minute drive from my house. On a first visit, you have to meet with the pharmacist, complete paperwork, etc. Once you are in their system, on return visits you just buy what you want.

Maitri Medicinal in East Liberty was my favorite place. It's all chrome and glass, with hipster/hippy bud tenders eager to help you choose. They also offer daily specials and sales. Dishes of suckers are out so you can help yourself. I bought a disposable pen of Tangie and 3.5 grams of White Poison.

Cresco Yeltrah in New Kensington was not as upscale, but the people were very nice. After meeting with the pharmacist and doing my paperwork, I bought a gram of Cresco Cookies.

Solevo Wellness in Greensburg was a pretty cool experience as well. The pharmacist there was actually fun to talk with. We ended up chatting for a long time about our past experiences with cannabis, then I ended up buying 3.5 grams of Salmon River OG 4. This impressed the pharmacist. Out of the dozens of options, I had chosen her current favorite strain.

Ironically, I have not tried any of my purchases. I want to wait until my pre-legal stash is exhausted.

Royal Nonesutch 05-13-2019 02:27 PM

I wish more European countries would get with the times when it comes to cannabis.

But with that said, this board amuses me to no end: So many clueless, upper middle-class, college educated, oh-so liberal Americans ("Smartest, Hippest!") whinging, whining, bitching, crying about how repressive and authoritarian 2019's America is, and of the limitless freedom and paradise that awaits them in "Europe". What a fucking joke, as in most respects, (regarding extremely open social policy) California or Colorado makes places like Denmark and Nederlands look like 1950's small town Iowa...

Shodan 05-13-2019 02:31 PM

I support the full legalization of marijuana, but this isn't how it should be done. If you want to get toasted, that's your business. Playing "Let's Pretend" is a waste of resources.
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When I finally mentioned the reason for my appointment (I always thought I had IBS, never sought medical care for it, now it was worse and I thought it would qualify as IBD, allowed in SB3) he laughed in my face. Sure, he'd be happy to diagnose me with IBD after referral for colonoscopy and a histopathologic diagnosis, otherwise he suggested I keep buying it on the street. I left his office pretty unhappy.
Darn those doctors who won't diagnose something you don't have so you can get treatments that won't work on what you haven't got.
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I had read about PTSD diagnosis (one of her specialties) and was hoping to qualify. I never lied, but I did emphasize areas of my history that I thought would help. Turns out I qualified!
She sounds like a real crackerjack diagnostician.

I'm glad you can get high if that's what you want. If it ever becomes legal, I will probably join you. It just seems like it's not good for patients or the medical profession if I have to pretend I have Lou Gehrig's disease before I spark one up.

Regards,
Shodan

kayaker 05-13-2019 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Shodan (Post 21640049)
I support the full legalization of marijuana, but this isn't how it should be done. If you want to get toasted, that's your business. Playing "Let's Pretend" is a waste of resources.

Heh, I agree. As far as wasting resources, hey, I'm playing by the rules. I'm paying a bit more to buy my legal cannabis compared to what I can buy "on the street".

As far as "Let's Pretend", I've successfully self-medicated my IBS/IBD for decades and am happy with the results. :)

kayaker 05-13-2019 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Shodan (Post 21640049)
She sounds like a real crackerjack diagnostician.

Here's the thing. She was without a doubt the most caring, compassionate MD I've ever met. She is board certified in family practice and had a thriving career prior to her decision to be proactive in an area she truly believes in. I hope to find a new PCP who is half as good.

Helena330 05-13-2019 03:51 PM

As a resident in a legal state, it's astonishing how hung up the rest of the country is. Yet alcohol is available pretty much anywhere. Give me a stoner over a drunk any day.

Ethilrist 05-13-2019 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kayaker (Post 21640112)
Heh, I agree. As far as wasting resources, hey, I'm playing by the rules. I'm paying a bit more to buy my legal cannabis compared to what I can buy "on the street".

As far as "Let's Pretend", I've successfully self-medicated my IBS/IBD for decades and am happy with the results. :)

Awesome that that's working on relieving the symptoms, but have you considered getting that checked up by an actual doctor you trust?

OttoDaFe 05-13-2019 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Helena330 (Post 21640259)
As a resident in a legal state, it's astonishing how hung up the rest of the country is. Yet alcohol is available pretty much anywhere. Give me a stoner over a drunk any day.

At least recreational legalization has ended the charade that was "Medical Marijuana" in the SoW (while there is still a medical certification for certain conditions, all it does is eliminate some fees for the holder).

For a while you could pick up a copy of a "want ads" newspaper and find several pages of "Come in with $150 and leave with a green card" ads. An acquaintance of mine worked at a dispensary and said they had a multi-page list of "clinics" whose certifications they wouldn't recognize.

VOW 05-13-2019 05:28 PM

I'm on pain management, never used marijuana ever before. I somehow made it through the Sixties and Seventies without getting stoned.

A friend of mine, also on pain management (different doctor) tried marijuana and had much much better control of her pain. Unfortunately, her doctor added THC to the drug list for the regular screening pee test. When she tested positive for THC, the doctor flat out told her, "Choose one. Pain management opioid, or marijuana. Test positive again, I won't prescribe for you."

I asked about the policy at MY pain management doctor's office. Turns out, my doctor's policy is that patient consumption of marijuana is not a concern of the doctor.

I thought, "Well, shit, I may as well try the stuff!"

I'm currently using CBD oil daily. In my opinion, using CBD with my prescribed opioid makes it more effective. I also discovered a lovely side effect! Being on pain management often causes a problem. Constipation. It's unremitting. I currently juggle three or four remedies, which can be hit or miss. But using CBD oil is a definite CURE to what TV commercials call OIC--opioid-induced-constipation.

I've also been buying edibles. For days when NOTHING seems to touch the pain, I'll have a dose of edibles. And I find it relaxes me so I don't hurt so damned much, or sometimes even puts me to sleep.

Medical marijuana is a useful product when you have pain.


~VOW

xizor 05-13-2019 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Shodan (Post 21640049)
Playing "Let's Pretend" is a waste of resources.

I see it as a necessary evil to change the mindset of all the hang wringing "it's a gateway drug!" types who can watch Reefer Madness without laughing or rolling their eyes.

Progress always comes at a cost, and if playing charades for a decade or two so people don't fear the reefer (heh), then fine, pay that cost and let's move on.

kayaker 05-13-2019 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ethilrist (Post 21640304)
Awesome that that's working on relieving the symptoms, but have you considered getting that checked up by an actual doctor you trust?

Cost/benefit analysis doesn't pan out. I've managed some low grade GI dysfunction to a satisfactory degree for decades. Lacking a gallbladder has an effect as well. I'm 61 and am looking at quality, not quantity. :)

psychobunny 05-13-2019 10:29 PM

If you were planning on suddenly conjuring up a chronic disease, you probably should have done a quick google search. IBS and IBD are completely different diseases that just happen to occur in the same organ. It’s sort of like saying that since you can get certified for lung cancer, you should be able to go to your doctor with asthma and get certified and then saying “I have been suffering from asthma/lung cancer for years and treating it myself so I should get a certification without having to get any evaluation.” This just demonstrates how stupid the “medical marijuana” laws are. Just go ahead and make it legal if you’re going to approve it for medical use. It’s pretty clear that most of those with certifications don’t have an actual medical need and then you end up with doctors like the one cited who basically agree to certify pretty much anybody for enough money. I could be wrong, and she could be very ethically evaluating each case on its merits, but the way that the OP describes how he heard of her and how the interaction went, I sort of doubt it.

Qadgop the Mercotan 05-14-2019 11:01 AM

I agree with psychobunny completely. Just legalize the damned stuff. Don't make the medical profession complicit in making it available.

dropzone 05-14-2019 11:32 AM

All that yelling! Is your PCP a surgeon?

kayaker 05-14-2019 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by psychobunny (Post 21641001)
Just go ahead and make it legal if youíre going to approve it for medical use.

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Originally Posted by Qadgop the Mercotan (Post 21641617)
I agree with psychobunny completely. Just legalize the damned stuff.

I agree, but that isn't reality today in Pennsylvania. I'm playing by the rules, even if I think the rules are ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by dropzone (Post 21641675)
All that yelling! Is your PCP a surgeon?

Nope.

And he's my ex-PCP.:)

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Originally Posted by Shodan (Post 21640049)
If you want to get toasted, that's your business.

I'm not up with the hip lingo you kids are using, but I'm pretty certain I do not wanna get "toasted". I have beer, wine, and liquor available to me at home. I typically have a glass of wine with dinner and maybe a beer afterwards, but I seldom get "drunk".

Similarly, in the evening I frequently relax with a hit or two of cannabis, yet I do not get "toasted".

Wrenching Spanners 05-14-2019 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kayaker (Post 21641697)
I agree, but that isn't reality today in Pennsylvania. I'm playing by the rules, even if I think the rules are ridiculous.

So what's your opinion of people who go "doctor-shopping" for opioid prescriptions?

kayaker 05-14-2019 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Wrenching Spanners (Post 21641900)
So what's your opinion of people who go "doctor-shopping" for opioid prescriptions?

I don't really have an opinion of them. If someone is in pain I think their pain should be addressed to the extent medical technology is able to address their pain.

Shodan 05-14-2019 01:23 PM

Just out of curiosity, what will you do if your great new PHP actually cures your PTSD and IBD/IBS?

Regards,
Shodan

CarnalK 05-14-2019 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kayaker (Post 21641936)
I don't really have an opinion of them. If someone is in pain I think their pain should be addressed to the extent medical technology is able to address their pain.

How about if they're not in pain, just like you don't really have IBD or PTSD?

Your new doctor doesn't sound good. Sounds more like a soft touch, which I understand you appreciating in this case.

kayaker 05-14-2019 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Shodan (Post 21641948)
Just out of curiosity, what will you do if your great new PHP actually cures your PTSD and IBD/IBS?

Regards,
Shodan

As far as IBS/IBD is concerned, I've had gastrointestinal issues my entire adult life. Stress causes a worsening of symptoms, but I've always managed by self medicating with cannabis.

As for PTSD, on researching it I became aware that I have it to some degree, as do most people who have lived an average life over six decades. I had unstable angina/chest pain for six weeks before seeing my doctor. He referred me to a cardiologist who placed a stent in one of my coronary arteries. Since that time I've had nightmares involving chest pain, causing me to wake up thinking I'm having a heart attack. Cannabis stops these dreams.

The doctor who discussed these matters is not my new PCP, as her practice is currently limited to seeing patients seeking certification under PA Medical Marijuana law. Plus, she is not in my health insurance group. I guess I'll frantically search for a new PCP when my next health crises occurs.:eek:


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Originally Posted by CarnalK (Post 21641965)
How about if they're not in pain, just like you don't really have IBD or PTSD?

Your new doctor doesn'tt sound good. Sounds more like a soft touch, which I understand you appreciating in this case.

Well, I do not judge others. If they are seeking pain meds, I assume they are in pain.

As far as my health, I have gastrointestinal issues and after reading and discussing PTSD, I recognize symptoms of the disorder as things I experience. And as I mentioned previously, she's not my "new doctor", she is a physician recognized by the state as someone who can certify MMJ patients.

CarnalK 05-14-2019 09:19 PM

Come on. You know perfectly well that your self diagnosis is utterly meaningless. I like marijuana but I have little love for quack* such as the one who gave you a scrip nor a fan of legislation that pushes doctors to prescribe untested treatments.

*so you've got a heart stint. Did the marijuana doctor even suggest that you don't smoke it?

Helena330 05-14-2019 09:31 PM

Some people in this thread need to smoke a bowl.

raventhief 05-15-2019 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CarnalK (Post 21642897)
Come on. You know perfectly well that your self diagnosis is utterly meaningless. I like marijuana but I have little love for quack* such as the one who gave you a scrip nor a fan of legislation that pushes doctors to prescribe untested treatments.

*so you've got a heart stint. Did the marijuana doctor even suggest that you don't smoke it?

The other do told him to keep buying it on the street, so maybe it's not that big a deal with his medical history, however he partakes?

raventhief 05-15-2019 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Helena330 (Post 21642921)
Some people in this thread need to smoke a bowl.


To say the least.

kayaker 05-15-2019 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CarnalK (Post 21642897)
*so you've got a heart stint. Did the marijuana doctor even suggest that you don't smoke it?

Smoking marijuana is illegal in PA. Although you can purchase bud, it must be vaped to be 100% legal.

kayaker 05-15-2019 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Helena330 (Post 21642921)
Some people in this thread need to smoke a bowl.

OK.

CarnalK 05-15-2019 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by raventhief (Post 21643146)
The other do told him to keep buying it on the street, so maybe it's not that big a deal with his medical history, however he partakes?

:rolleyes:

Whatever. So very sorry to harsh you and Helen330's mellow.

FoieGrasIsEvil 05-15-2019 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Helena330 (Post 21640259)
As a resident in a legal state, it's astonishing how hung up the rest of the country is. Yet alcohol is available pretty much anywhere. Give me a stoner over a drunk any day.

Hear hear! And this is from an alcoholic that destroyed his liver drinking a six pack of beer a night for 3 decades and am now firmly ensconced in the Team Marijuana camp. I am prescribed opioids but I don't get that scrip filled. Why? Because I don't want to take them. They make me itchy and constipated and I dislike how I feel when I've taken them. And I don't want to get addicted to them either.

I have alcoholic neuropathy in my legs and sometimes the gabapentin isn't enough. But a couple puffs off a pen and it's all gone, and I can relax. And I'm not even inhaling actual smoke! So very low cancer/carcinogenic risk there too.

I mean seriously...anyone with half a brain knows that legal alcohol ruins more lives, families, causes more auto accidents, etc than marijuana could ever come close to. Drunks tend to make extremely unwise decisions ("I can make it home!") as opposed to a stoner wanting to eat macaroni out of a green bowl.

ETA: and I live in a state where there isn't even a provision for medicinal. Yes, it's a very red state (IN).

kayaker 05-15-2019 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FoieGrasIsEvil (Post 21643698)
But a couple puffs off a pen and it's all gone, and I can relax.

Good to hear you are managing your pain.

Are you using a disposable pen? Is it draw-activated? (some pens, like one I currently have, lack an off/on button. You just draw to take a hit.)

Anyone know how draw-activated pens work?

FoieGrasIsEvil 05-15-2019 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kayaker (Post 21643709)
Good to hear you are managing your pain.

Are you using a disposable pen? Is it draw-activated? (some pens, like one I currently have, lack an off/on button. You just draw to take a hit.)

Anyone know how draw-activated pens work?

It's just a small battery with a 5/10 threading that has an actuator button and buttons to increase/decrease voltage. Has an LED readout up top that shows battery life, counts your draws in seconds for you automatically and shows when it's charging via a USB on the bottom.

The carts are disposable once emptied of oil.

Just Asking Questions 05-15-2019 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Helena330 (Post 21642921)
Some people in this thread need to smoke a bowl.

Took longer than I thought in this thread, but there it is. Stoners think everyone should be like them. Maybe some here should stop smoking a bowl for a while, get a new perspective.

kayaker 05-15-2019 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by FoieGrasIsEvil (Post 21643719)
It's just a small battery with a 5/10 threading that has an actuator button and buttons to increase/decrease voltage. Has an LED readout up top that shows battery life, counts your draws in seconds for you automatically and shows when it's charging via a USB on the bottom.

The carts are disposable once emptied of oil.

OK, I've used ones like that. I'm currently using a pen without an on/off switch. When you draw on it, the battery automatically supplies power (I assume from a pressure difference activating a switch).

kayaker 05-15-2019 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Asking Questions (Post 21643751)
Took longer than I thought in this thread, but there it is. Stoners think everyone should be like them. Maybe some here should stop smoking a bowl for a while, get a new perspective.

:confused:

"Medical Marijuana discussion thread". We are discussing medical marijuana.

FoieGrasIsEvil 05-15-2019 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kayaker (Post 21643752)
OK, I've used ones like that. I'm currently using a pen without an on/off switch. When you draw on it, the battery automatically supplies power (I assume from a pressure difference activating a switch).

In an effort to try to quit smoking cigarettes on top of quitting booze (well shit, it's been almost two years now come July!) I got one of those Juul devices and they work that way with that auto on when a draw is applied. But as with my battery, the Juul IS the battery and the pods with nicotine juice in them are detachable and disposable once used up.

FoieGrasIsEvil 05-15-2019 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Asking Questions (Post 21643751)
Took longer than I thought in this thread, but there it is. Stoners think everyone should be like them. Maybe some here should stop smoking a bowl for a while, get a new perspective.

It's also just a euphemism for "chill out". I get the pushback kayaker is getting on the means to the end, especially from the medical professionals we have on here, but I also understand his perspective too. It must be nice to be able to legally buy the stuff. I can't and I wish I could.

I think a broader point needs to be made: after all these decades of propagandistic bullshit leveled at marijuana by our very own government, enough people in positions of influence are FINALLY wising up to the fact that it's a relatively innocuous drug, especially when compared to alcohol. I think total legalization in all 50 states and at the federal level is only a matter of when, not if.

So we might as well be frank in our discussions about it, because it's coming.

CarnalK 05-15-2019 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kayaker (Post 21643756)
:confused:

"Medical Marijuana discussion thread". We are discussing medical marijuana.

raventhief and Helena330 were discussing how I'm too uptight and need to smoke a bowl, despite the fact that I had probably already smoked a bowl. Basically that I have a personality problem because I don't have love for doctors who abandon their due diligence so you can self prescribe cannabis.

FoieGrasIsEvil 05-15-2019 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CarnalK (Post 21643904)
raventhief and Helena330 were discussing how I'm too uptight and need to smoke a bowl, despite the fact that I had probably already smoked a bowl. Basically that I have a personality problem because I don't have love for doctors who abandon their due diligence so you can self prescribe cannabis.

I think that the issue is that you need to smoke another bowl...

:D:D

kayaker 05-15-2019 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CarnalK (Post 21643904)
raventhief and Helena330 were discussing how I'm too uptight and need to smoke a bowl, despite the fact that I had probably already smoked a bowl. Basically that I have a personality problem because I don't have love for doctors who abandon their due diligence so you can self prescribe cannabis.

(bolding mine)

Actually, the doctor I met with has not, IMHO, abandoned her due diligence. If anything, she believes that some people are helped by non-mainstream medical care. She is a passionate supporter of patient rights. If you (CarnalK) want to be upset with someone, send your negative feelings to those, like me, who are maybe gaming the system to a small degree.

We good?

raventhief 05-15-2019 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Asking Questions (Post 21643751)
Took longer than I thought in this thread, but there it is. Stoners think everyone should be like them. Maybe some here should stop smoking a bowl for a while, get a new perspective.

I don't actually smoke marijuana. But CarnalK said he likes it, and I think that perhaps he should chill out about someone else's choices in that regard.

Shodan 05-15-2019 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CarnalK (Post 21643904)
Basically that I have a personality problem because I don't have love for doctors who abandon their due diligence so you can self prescribe cannabis.

If it gives you PTSD, I have a suggestion for you.

Regards,
Shodan

Chimera 05-15-2019 02:09 PM

It's been legal for use in a number of states for years now. It's been illegal but very widely used in a number of places for a lot longer.

The sky has never fallen, crime rates have not soared, the highways aren't being turned into death traps by stoned drivers.

Everything bad promised by the anti-Marijuana crowd has been proven to be a pack of lies, disinformation and ignorance.

kayaker 05-15-2019 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Shodan (Post 21644020)
If it gives you PTSD, I have a suggestion for you.

Regards,
Shodan

Every dispensary I've visited has offered military veterans a 10% discount. PTSD is very common among veterans, as is depression. Just saying.

CarnalK 05-15-2019 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kayaker (Post 21643932)
(bolding mine)

Actually, the doctor I met with has not, IMHO, abandoned her due diligence. If anything, she believes that some people are helped by non-mainstream medical care. She is a passionate supporter of patient rights. If you (CarnalK) want to be upset with someone, send your negative feelings to those, like me, who are maybe gaming the system to a small degree.

We good?

We're good but I've got to stand by my position. I don't entirely blame you for gaming the system, though since you have ample access iirc I don't know why you bother. But a doctor is put in a position of responsibility and authority, she is abdicating that by just going by her patients wants/feelings.

Before pot got recreational legal here, I just bought from my buddy like I always did. I didn't find a "pot friendly doctor" because I would rather give all my money to a pot dealer over some weak willed airy-fairy doctor.

Shodan 05-15-2019 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chimera (Post 21644097)
It's been legal for use in a number of states for years now. It's been illegal but very widely used in a number of places for a lot longer.

The sky has never fallen, crime rates have not soared, the highways aren't being turned into death traps by stoned drivers.

Everything bad promised by the anti-Marijuana crowd has been proven to be a pack of lies, disinformation and ignorance.

And apparently Irritable Bowel Disease and PTSD are soon to be eradicated as well.

Regards,
Shodan

CarnalK 05-15-2019 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Shodan (Post 21644200)
And apparently Irritable Bowel Disease and PTSD are soon to be eradicated as well.

Regards,
Shodan

No need to be obtuse. No one is claiming pot cures anything anymore than aspirin cures headaches or insulin cures diabetes.

Helena330 05-15-2019 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Asking Questions (Post 21643751)
Took longer than I thought in this thread, but there it is. Stoners think everyone should be like them. Maybe some here should stop smoking a bowl for a while, get a new perspective.

Actually, it's about judging people who are trying the best they can to manage their issues in our sucky health "system". The last time I smoked was last November when I was smoking a low THC-strain. It was recommended to me by an excellent budtender who understood that I needed to manage extreme anxiety, not get high. You see, my husband was hospitalized across the country after having a heart attack. He had open heart surgery. My doctor told me to try deep-breathing and gave me an antihistamine to help me sleep. I thought she was kidding. The weed helped take off the panicky edge.

My husband died. I haven't smoked any weed since then, but I'm not going to judge anyone for how they manage their lives. Or how they acquire what they use. I blame the system and not the people, unlike those in this thread who sit in judgment. :rolleyes:

kayaker 05-16-2019 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CarnalK (Post 21644112)
We're good but I've got to stand by my position. I don't entirely blame you for gaming the system, though since you have ample access iirc I don't know why you bother.

I like the idea that I'm legal. For 45 years I've broken the law every time I've purchased or used cannabis. Feels good to do it legally.

kayaker 05-16-2019 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Shodan (Post 21644200)
And apparently Irritable Bowel Disease and PTSD are soon to be eradicated as well.

Regards,
Shodan

Here are the 21 conditions Pennsylvania allows treatment with medical marijuana. I'm sure you can find plenty of laughs in the list.

Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis
Autism
Cancer
Crohn's Disease
Dyskinetic Disorders
Damage to the nervous tissue of the spinal cord with objective neurological indication of intractable spasticity
Epilepsy
Glaucoma
HIV / AIDS
Huntington's Disease
Inflammatory Bowel Disease
Intractable Seizures
Multiple Sclerosis
Neurodegenerative Disorders
Neuropathies
Opioid Use Disorder
Parkinson's Disease
Post-traumatic Stress Disorder
Severe chronic or intractable pain of neuropathic origin or severe chronic or intractable pain in which conventional therapeutic intervention and opiate therapy is contraindicated or ineffective
Sickle Cell Anemia
Terminal Illness

Tourette's and Anxiety are currently under consideration.

Qadgop the Mercotan 05-16-2019 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kayaker (Post 21645353)
Here are the 21 conditions Pennsylvania allows treatment with medical marijuana. I'm sure you can find plenty of laughs in the list.

And the bona fide, scientifically demonstrated effectiveness of marijuana on those diagnoses is pretty close to zero. Reports of usefulness of pot on those entities are based on anecdotes 99+% of the time.

Now I'm sure people report relief of symptoms; pot works great for making most folks feel better. Works better than alcohol, for sure. Safer, too.

And while pot does lower intra-ocular pressure, it needs to be consumed every 2 hours to do so effectively; i.e. enough to prevent actual blindness from developing due to elevated pressure. Eye drops and eye surgery are better options.

Once we study the various active components of pot, I'm sure we'll find some demonstrated uses for it. But touting it as a fix for nearly everything then making physicians complicit in approving it remains ludicrous.

puzzlegal 05-16-2019 10:09 AM

I don't smoke pot. I tried it once in college, and didn't like it. But now that it's legal in my state, I may try it again, just out of curiosity.

But I'm a huge fan of medical cannabis, and I favor full legalization. (and even got the chance to vote for legalization, whoopie!)

Two anecdotes: A guy who worked for me developed Hodgkins disease. He smoked pot prior to his chemo, and it greatly reduced he nausea. He found out just how much it reduced it the week he neglected to smoke pot. I gather there are other drugs for that these days, but choice is good, and pot is pretty safe.

My BIL has intractable back pain. He's in pain management therapy, and takes more opioids than he'd like, and still has a lot of pain. Since medical marijuana was legalized, he's been using it. He was able to cut way back on his opoids, and gets better pain relief. My sister says he's also become a bit of a pot-head, but, she say, "it seems to make him happy", and he's doing much better at work (fewer pain-related sick days, mostly) and is generally doing okay with all the regular stuff. So it's been a net win.

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Originally Posted by VOW (Post 21640462)
...A friend of mine, also on pain management (different doctor) tried marijuana and had much much better control of her pain. Unfortunately, her doctor added THC to the drug list for the regular screening pee test. When she tested positive for THC, the doctor flat out told her, "Choose one. Pain management opioid, or marijuana. Test positive again, I won't prescribe for you."...

What a bizarre story. The doctor sounds like a dick.


All that being said, kayaker's story rubs me the wrong way. You were wasting your doctor's time and lying to get treatment. I don't blame him for throwing you out on your ear. You obviously didn't have trouble buying on the black market. Why mess up the medical system and hurt legitimate medical users?

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Originally Posted by kayaker (Post 21642008)
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The doctor who discussed these matters is not my new PCP, as her practice is currently limited to seeing patients seeking certification under PA Medical Marijuana law. Plus, she is not in my health insurance group. I guess I'll frantically search for a new PCP when my next health crises occurs.:eek:
...

May I suggest you seek a PCP now, when you aren't in a crisis? Maybe even one you are compatible with?

kayaker 05-16-2019 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Qadgop the Mercotan (Post 21645519)
Now I'm sure people report relief of symptoms; pot works great for making most folks feel better.

I take Amlodopine, Atenolol, and Losartan every day. I feel no effect whatsoever. I also take some cannabis every day. It makes me feel better.

As Ry Cooder sings(Sidney Bailey / J.B. Lenoir / Jim Dickinson) :

Feelin' good, feelin' good
All the money in the world is spent on feelin' good

kayaker 05-16-2019 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by puzzlegal (Post 21645570)
All that being said, kayaker's story rubs me the wrong way. You were wasting your doctor's time and lying to get treatment.

I never lied. Lying is something I do not do even in situations where some people would say it was OK. As far as wasting my doctor's time, his time is what I pay for. In fact, he was pissed off at me for not paying for his time every year.

kayaker 05-16-2019 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by puzzlegal (Post 21645570)
May I suggest you seek a PCP now, when you aren't in a crisis? Maybe even one you are compatible with?

Heh. Yes, that would probably be a good idea, but it's not something I'm likely to do.:)

Just Asking Questions 05-16-2019 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Qadgop the Mercotan (Post 21645519)
And the bona fide, scientifically demonstrated effectiveness of marijuana on those diagnoses is pretty close to zero. Reports of usefulness of pot on those entities are based on anecdotes 99+% of the time.

Now I'm sure people report relief of symptoms; pot works great for making most folks feel better. Works better than alcohol, for sure. Safer, too.

And while pot does lower intra-ocular pressure, it needs to be consumed every 2 hours to do so effectively; i.e. enough to prevent actual blindness from developing due to elevated pressure. Eye drops and eye surgery are better options.

Once we study the various active components of pot, I'm sure we'll find some demonstrated uses for it. But touting it as a fix for nearly everything then making physicians complicit in approving it remains ludicrous.

Shssh. You'll harsh their mellow.

kayaker 05-16-2019 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Qadgop the Mercotan (Post 21645519)
But touting it as a fix for nearly everything then making physicians complicit in approving it remains ludicrous.

In Pennsylvania, physicians are not made complicit in approving it. Any physician who does certification must:
  • Demonstrate to the Department of Health by training or expertise that he or she is qualified in treating one of the ďserious medical conditionsĒ eligible for treatment with medical marijuana including: Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, Autism, Cancer, Epilepsy, Glaucoma, HIV/AIDS, Parkinsonís Disease and Post-traumatic Stress Disorder
  • Successfully complete the required four hour course established by the Department of Health
  • Hold a valid, unexpired, unrevoked, unsuspended Pennsylvania license to practice medicine

A physician approved to do certification may certify a patient if all of the following conditions are met:
  • The physician has determined, based upon a patient consultation and any other factor deemed relevant by the physician, the patient has a serious medical condition and has included that condition in the patientís health care record.
  • The physician has determined the patient is likely to receive therapeutic or palliative medical benefit from the use of medical marijuana based upon the physicianís professional opinion,
  • The physician has reviewed the Prescription Drug Monitoring Program prior to issuing or modifying a patient certification to determine the controlled substance history of the patient to determine whether the controlled substance history of the patient would impact the patientís use of medical marijuana.
  • The physician has explained the potential risks and benefits of the use of medical marijuana to the patient and has documented in the patientís health care record that the explanation has been provided and informed consent has been obtained.

CarnalK 05-16-2019 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kayaker (Post 21645630)
I never lied. Lying is something I do not do even in situations where some people would say it was OK. As far as wasting my doctor's time, his time is what I pay for. In fact, he was pissed off at me for not paying for his time every year.

Is it possible that it was more exasperation that your heart stint and missing gallbladder isn't enough to get you to visit the doctor regularly but a pot prescription gets you to come in? Because I don't know about your town but around here, doctors often have to turn away new patients. It certainly wouldn't affect their finances if a patient dropped off the radar for 5 years.

kayaker 05-16-2019 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CarnalK (Post 21645948)
Is it possible that it was more exasperation that your heart stint and missing gallbladder isn't enough to get you to visit the doctor regularly but a pot prescription gets you to come in? Because I don't know about your town but around here, doctors often have to turn away new patients. It certainly wouldn't affect their finances if a patient dropped off the radar for 5 years.

Nope. I can call and get a same day appointment here. I never mentioned the purpose of my visit until the final 5 minutes, and we were yelling at each other for an hour by that time. He was pissed off about the fact that he hasn't been able to retire, period.

He's always been a dick, but I always just played along. I do not want to out anyone, but here is a review posted online (not by me):
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My experience with this man still haunts me to this day. My visit with this man was almost 5 years ago. Rude and condescending. He told me I was uneducated because I was trying to explain to him some symptoms Iíve been having that was causing concern for me and my family. He was so mad at something before he walked in that he was yelling at me during my visit until I walked out. I only wish I would have done something at the time.
To be fair, he also gets positive reviews, but even in those people often mention his attitude:
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Iíve been going to Dr. X as my PCP for 15 plus years. I can see the how some snowflakes can melt easily in this manís presence. Once you get to know him you can really see heís not upset with the patient but with the current state of healthcare. Besides, who shows up at another manís work and tells him how to do his job besides a jackass. Donít call the doctor if you are going to diagnose yourself on webMD.
And, another:
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Definitely never recommend to anyone. Dr X was agitated and angry at his staff, his computer and umpc, slightly condescending to me. He was unprofessional using the lords name in vain numerous occasions, uninformed about drugs and generally negative. He told me that his job as my pcp was basically to refer me to specialists. He said he was interested in relationships with patients but his actions showed nothing that resembled a professional, kind demeanor nor the type of temperament that should work with people. I was shocked that this type of horrible care is real.

Inigo Montoya 05-16-2019 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Helena330 (Post 21642921)
Some people in this thread need to smoke a bowl.

Starting with Yak's ex-PCP

kayaker 05-17-2019 10:46 AM

I started this thread thinking it would give those of us with medical certification a place to discuss the details of our situations. There are discussions on reddit like this. Oh well, so it goes.

Heh, turns out my ex-PCP is more evil than I thought. He refunded my $60 copay, but I assumed he still billed my insurance for my visit. Curious about how much he charged, and how he explained not charging a copay, I looked on my medical insurance app.

He made a claim and it was covered. He billed my insurance $301.00, they paid $146.88 after a network discount of $154.13. My copay is listed as $0 because he lied about the services provided. I showed this to my gf and she thinks I should complain to my insurance as well as the state medical board, but fuck it. He's looking for an excuse to retire and I'm not going to cooperate.:mad:

ftg 05-17-2019 05:42 PM

In a cannabis-ish related thing for us ...

Today in the mail we got a flier from a place in the area selling CBD oil. Showed an older couple on it.

So this can be sent thru the US mail to target seniors now. That's cool.

I have an aunt that's on some sort of MM thing for the swelling in her hand. She's 90. Things are different now, but not everywhere.

kayaker 05-17-2019 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ftg (Post 21648533)
I have an aunt that's on some sort of MM thing for the swelling in her hand. She's 90. Things are different now, but not everywhere.

Years ago I supplied a friend's 88 year old dad with cannabis to help him tolerate his chemo (on the whispered advice of his oncologist). It really helped him. He even regained a few pounds. But the only pipe I had that I didn't mind giving away was a long, purple, wooden dragon. :D

JackieLikesVariety 05-18-2019 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Helena330 (Post 21644439)
Actually, it's about judging people who are trying the best they can to manage their issues in our sucky health "system". The last time I smoked was last November when I was smoking a low THC-strain. It was recommended to me by an excellent budtender who understood that I needed to manage extreme anxiety, not get high. You see, my husband was hospitalized across the country after having a heart attack. He had open heart surgery. My doctor told me to try deep-breathing and gave me an antihistamine to help me sleep. I thought she was kidding. The weed helped take off the panicky edge.

My husband died. I haven't smoked any weed since then, but I'm not going to judge anyone for how they manage their lives. Or how they acquire what they use. I blame the system and not the people, unlike those in this thread who sit in judgment. :rolleyes:


hell, yes.

good post, Helena! :)

FloatyGimpy 05-18-2019 11:13 PM

I bought my first CBD gummies today. I've been having a very hard time sleeping for the last month or so (menopause). I've tried Melatonin which definitely calmed my mind but it made me dizzy and nauseous. While I do fall asleep, I wake up two hours later wide awake and can't fall back to sleep.

I've tried some other over the counter sleep aids but still the same thing - fall asleep, wake up a short time later wide awake.

I'm hoping the gummies will help me stay asleep.

kayaker 05-19-2019 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FloatyGimpy (Post 21650284)
I bought my first CBD gummies today. I've been having a very hard time sleeping for the last month or so (menopause). I've tried Melatonin which definitely calmed my mind but it made me dizzy and nauseous. While I do fall asleep, I wake up two hours later wide awake and can't fall back to sleep.

I've tried some other over the counter sleep aids but still the same thing - fall asleep, wake up a short time later wide awake.

I'm hoping the gummies will help me stay asleep.

I've heard that CBD takes a few days to "kick in".

My gf has had sleep issues. She gave up on melatonin after a month. I read some interesting research about lavender oil in a diffuser. In several studies women slept better with lavender being diffused overnight. I bought a bottle of lavender and a diffuser, and the last two months she's been sleeping perfectly.

FloatyGimpy 05-20-2019 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by kayaker (Post 21650499)
I've heard that CBD takes a few days to "kick in".

My gf has had sleep issues. She gave up on melatonin after a month. I read some interesting research about lavender oil in a diffuser. In several studies women slept better with lavender being diffused overnight. I bought a bottle of lavender and a diffuser, and the last two months she's been sleeping perfectly.

I would love to have a lavender diffuser but I have budgies and they're super sensitive to strong smells.

I ate half a gummie bear before bed night before last. It might just be coincidence but I did sleep a bit better. I normally wake up 6, 7 or 8 times a night and then have a very hard time falling back asleep. I woke up 2 times and was able to fall back asleep within a few minutes.

I took half a gummie again last night and slept quite well, actually. I woke up 2 times but went back to sleep until I woke up at 5:00 am and was pretty awake. It's my day off though so there was no way I was getting up so early. I lay there, awake, for about half an hour but fell back asleep till 8:10 which is almost unheard of for me!

So I'll continue to eat half a gummie and hope it continues to improve.

TokyoBayer 05-20-2019 11:32 PM

Adding PTSD to the list was a brilliant marketing decision as a lot of people have ďtraumaĒ and the definition can be stretched to cover whatever the patient and doctor wants it to.

PTSD was underdiagnosed for the longest time. Now it seems that anyone who sneezes wrong has that diagnosis.

I donít see why pot canít simply be made legal without the faÁade of medical marijuana. Just make it legal already.

kayaker 05-21-2019 06:03 AM

Pennsylvania's list of qualifying conditions is evolving. Tourette Syndrome and anxiety have been under consideration. Adding anxiety would qualify pretty much everyone.

dtilque 05-22-2019 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Qadgop the Mercotan (Post 21645519)
Once we study the various active components of pot, I'm sure we'll find some demonstrated uses for it. But touting it as a fix for nearly everything then making physicians complicit in approving it remains ludicrous.

And we've just gotten some: Study finds CBD effective in treating heroin addiction. I'm sure we'll eventually get more, but probably more from Canada than the US.

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Originally Posted by FloatyGimpy (Post 21650284)
I bought my first CBD gummies today. I've been having a very hard time sleeping for the last month or so (menopause). I've tried Melatonin which definitely calmed my mind but it made me dizzy and nauseous. While I do fall asleep, I wake up two hours later wide awake and can't fall back to sleep.

Melatonin should be a prescription drug instead of an OTC "nutrition supplement". It's not innocuous; it can have significant side effects. I used to take it to help get to sleep. I'm not sure it actually did much for my insomnia, but eventually I heard that it can aggravate certain autoimmune diseases. In my case, I have a mild allergy to some pollen (don't know what kind) and a tendency to arthritis in my knuckles. At the time I heard about this side effect, those were getting worse. So I stopped taking the stuff and those things cleared up.

puzzlegal 05-22-2019 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kayaker (Post 21645630)
I never lied. Lying is something I do not do even in situations where some people would say it was OK. As far as wasting my doctor's time, his time is what I pay for. In fact, he was pissed off at me for not paying for his time every year.

Eh, you were mis-using his time, even if he is an asshole. Is have more sympathy for you if you'd been having trouble obtaining it.

And as I mentioned, I favor legalizing recreational pot. I have no issue with your use of pot, just of the medical system.
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Originally Posted by dtilque (Post 21655959)
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Melatonin should be a prescription drug instead of an OTC "nutrition supplement". It's not innocuous; it can have significant side effects. I used to take it to help get to sleep. I'm not sure it actually did much for my insomnia, but eventually I heard that it can aggravate certain autoimmune diseases. In my case, I have a mild allergy to some pollen (don't know what kind) and a tendency to arthritis in my knuckles. At the time I heard about this side effect, those were getting worse. So I stopped taking the stuff and those things cleared up.

The whole nutrition supplement system is dicey, but in general I favor legalizing most drugs unless they have a significant risk of:
Addiction
Major, irreversible damage or death
Significant antisocial behavior

So melatonin falls well into the camp of drugs that I'd prefer be OTC. And I find it extremely useful for jetlag. I take a low dose for 3-5 days in each direction. I've never noticed any adverse effects, and it really improves my travel experience.

kayaker 07-12-2019 01:41 PM

Effective July 20, 2019 Pennsylvania recognizes anxiety as a qualifying condition for medical marijuana. The MMJ community is abuzz over this. Suddenly pretty much everyone qualifies. Shortages of product are expected.

I texted a dozen friends who were waiting for this to happen and am now helping some of them become certified.

Ambivalid 07-12-2019 02:27 PM

Medical marijuana makes a mockery out of the medical community. IMHO.

kayaker 07-12-2019 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ambivalid (Post 21746919)
Medical marijuana makes a mockery out of the medical community. IMHO.

Lack of a single-payer health system has led to a situation where sick people cannot afford care, diabetics cannot afford insulin, etc. This makes a mockery of the medical community, leading to people looking other places for care. IMHO.

Ambivalid 07-12-2019 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kayaker (Post 21746936)
Lack of a single-payer health system has led to a situation where sick people cannot afford care, diabetics cannot afford insulin, etc. This makes a mockery of the medical community, leading to people looking other places for care. IMHO.

There are degrees of mockery.

kayaker 07-12-2019 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ambivalid (Post 21746981)
There are degrees of mockery.

Hickory and dockery as well. Degrees within degrees, sort of a droste effect.

Ambivalid 07-12-2019 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kayaker (Post 21747104)
Hickory and dockery as well. Degrees within degrees, sort of a droste effect.

Duuuuuude....that's *heavy*. Quit bogarting my prescription!!


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