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panache45 11-01-2012 03:55 AM

Jackson on the $20
 
Andrew Jackson has been on the U.S. $20 bill for over 80 years. Among other things, he supported slavery and "ethnic cleansing" of Native Americans. I don't know what he did in his presidency that has any relevance today. Why is he on our money, and who should be on it instead?

blue infinity 11-01-2012 04:22 AM

He's on your money because he was the most badass president ever.

As to who should be on it instead? The truly American thing to do would be to privatize it, auction it off to the highest bidder.

Whoever ponies up the most cash, gets their mug on it. Bill Gates, Sam Walton, the Koch Brothers, Ronald McDonald..

Bullitt 11-01-2012 04:25 AM

Donald Trump

Hello Again 11-01-2012 04:40 AM

I've long thought Jackson & Jefferson should go swapsies.

Jackson is deserving of a bill, but not such a commonly circulated one. I also think the reverse image on the $2 (signing of the declaration of independence) is far more worthy for a high circulation bill than the reverse image on the $20 (the White house? Who cares?).

Rodgers01 11-01-2012 04:40 AM

If anyone else needs a reminder of who's already on the currency, list here.

If Jackson were to go, the first replacement I can think of who's not already honored is John Adams.

Maybe also promote FDR from the dime to the $20.

Manda JO 11-01-2012 05:25 AM

Jackson's number one thing was dismantling the Second Bank of the United States. He would be appalled at the Fed, and certainly wouldn't want anything to do with a national currency. Hell, he was against currency in general, preferring specie.

I've always kind of thought that putting him on the $20 was a nice "fuck you" to America's most psychotic president.

Dangerosa 11-01-2012 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manda JO (Post 15650003)
Jackson's number one thing was dismantling the Second Bank of the United States. He would be appalled at the Fed, and certainly wouldn't want anything to do with a national currency. Hell, he was against currency in general, preferring specie.

I've always kind of thought that putting him on the $20 was a nice "fuck you" to America's most psychotic president.

I sometimes think that the government at times has had a wonderful sense of humor for a large entity. Arlington Cemetery is another "fuck you."

kayaker 11-01-2012 06:46 AM

Man had a fine head of hair, whatever his faults may have been.

Ludovic 11-01-2012 07:58 AM

But it still pales in comparison to Jermaine.

Leaffan 11-01-2012 08:11 AM

Well, God's on there too. His track record isn't very impressive either.

Malthus 11-01-2012 08:13 AM

Keep him on the $20, but change the pic into one of him doing something charactaristic, like killing someone. :D

phouka 11-01-2012 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blue infinity (Post 15649952)
He's on your money because he was the most badass president ever.

Bzzzt! I'm sorry, blue infinity, the correct answer was "Theodore Roosevelt". Who was the most badass president ever? Theodore Roosevelt. You have lost teh Intarwebz.

Saraya 11-01-2012 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panache45 (Post 15649938)
Andrew Jackson has been on the U.S. $20 bill for over 80 years. Among other things, he supported slavery and "ethnic cleansing" of Native Americans. I don't know what he did in his presidency that has any relevance today. Why is he on our money, and who should be on it instead?



Martin Luther King was a plagerist, adulterer, womanizer(physically as well), liar, NOT a reverend, communist sympathizer and a whole host of over things.

Should we take his birthday celebration away, or do we still praise him cause his message was good?

In a proper America, he'd be shunned for his false nature. Civil rights doesn't need black 'leaders.'
And we could get our President's birthdays back.


The money should never change, it give us a sense of continuity that is sorely lacking in the States.


To answer your question, who should be next, John Adams or Ron Paul.

Leaffan 11-01-2012 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saraya (Post 15650272)
Martin Luther King was a plagerist, adulterer, womanizer(physically as well), liar, NOT a reverend, communist sympathizer and a whole host of over things.

Should we take his birthday celebration away, or do we still praise him cause his message was good?

In a proper America, he'd be shunned for his false nature. Civil rights doesn't need black 'leaders.'
And we could get our President's birthdays back.


The money should never change, it give us a sense of continuity that is sorely lacking in the States.


To answer your question, who should be next, John Adams or Ron Paul.

This will go over well.

silenus 11-01-2012 08:51 AM

:rolleyes:





In 20 years or so, we can put Bill Clinton on the $20. That way everybody will remember the punchline to the joke.



Leaf, our friend Saraya is more familiar with the under than the over.

randomface 11-01-2012 08:56 AM

Putting Ron Paul on Federal Reserve notes would probably cause quite a few of the "End the Fed" types to explode.

Leaffan 11-01-2012 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silenus (Post 15650377)
Leaf, our friend Saraya is more familiar with the under than the over.

I don't know what this means. Sorry.

Procrustus 11-01-2012 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saraya (Post 15650272)

The money should never change, it give us a sense of continuity that is sorely lacking in the States.

.

Never change? If that were true we would never get to honor President Obama this way.

Marley23 11-01-2012 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saraya (Post 15650272)
The money should never change, it give us a sense of continuity that is sorely lacking in the States.

It's a little late for that. I will also go out on a limb and say that adultery and plagiarism, while bad, are much less bad than ethnic cleansing, and that if your belief is that the civil rights requirement could have worked without leadership from black people (as a gift from nice white people, I guess), that's more than a little misguided.

drastic_quench 11-01-2012 11:41 AM

The U.S. currency is far too human-centric. I would like a famous horse, or perhaps an auspicious-looking beaver, on a commonly circulated denomination.

Really Not All That Bright 11-01-2012 11:51 AM

Washington and Jefferson also supported slavery. We've kind of decided to ignore that sort of thing.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Saraya (Post 15650272)
Martin Luther King was... ...NOT a reverend...

Uh, what?

stuyguy 11-01-2012 11:56 AM

I just checked out the list of people on our money that Rodgers01 linked.

I have no problem with recent non-politician choices on our currency, like Sacagawea and Susan B. Anthony (both on dollar coins). Furthermore, since I am in a generous mood, I will give passes to two head-scratch-inducing choices: Salmon P. Chase ($10,000 bill), who as the Secty of the Treasury was intimately involved with US money matters, and President William McKinley ($500 bill), who was "martyred" in office.

But Grover Cleveland? Really? What the hell made him worthy to be on our $1,000 bill?

(Oh, and for the purposes of the OP, yes, I think Andrew Jackson should be booted from the $20 bill. Historians claim he redefined the office of presidency, but I think his flaws (including the big political ones, not just his personal failings and orneriness) far outweigh his good points.

Procrustus 11-01-2012 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drastic_quench (Post 15651000)
The U.S. currency is far too human-centric. I would like a famous horse, or perhaps an auspicious-looking beaver, on a commonly circulated denomination.

Beaver bills sound great for tipping strippers.

Drunky Smurf 11-01-2012 12:12 PM

Agreed. I vote hairy va-jay-jays on all currrency.

Leaffan 11-01-2012 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drunky Smurf (Post 15651121)
Agreed. I vote hairy va-jay-jays on all currrency.

Puts a whole new meaning behind "I just came into some money."

Simplicio 11-01-2012 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malthus (Post 15650253)
Keep him on the $20, but change the pic into one of him doing something charactaristic, like killing someone. :D

I'd support changing it to an image of Jackson kicking John C. Calhoun in the balls.

drastic_quench 11-01-2012 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drunky Smurf (Post 15651121)
Agreed. I vote hairy va-jay-jays on all currrency.

"More honest than Abe."

zoid 11-01-2012 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leaffan (Post 15651138)
Puts a whole new meaning behind "I just came into some money."

For the win!

zoid 11-01-2012 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saraya (Post 15650272)
Martin Luther King was a plagerist, adulterer, womanizer(physically as well), liar, NOT a reverend, communist sympathizer and a whole host of over things.

Should we take his birthday celebration away, or do we still praise him cause his message was good?

In a proper America, he'd be shunned for his false nature. Civil rights doesn't need black 'leaders.'
And we could get our President's birthdays back.


The money should never change, it give us a sense of continuity that is sorely lacking in the States.


To answer your question, who should be next, John Adams or Ron Paul.

Wow.

Just...

Wow.

John Mace 11-01-2012 12:40 PM

Ron Paul? One thing you gotta say about our currency-- we don't put anyone on it while they are still living. What are we, North Korea?

Simplicio 11-01-2012 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Mace (Post 15651241)
Ron Paul? One thing you gotta say about our currency-- we don't put anyone on it while they are still living. What are we, North Korea?

I'd be OK with shooting him first.

Sunspace 11-01-2012 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drastic_quench (Post 15651000)
The U.S. currency is far too human-centric. I would like a famous horse, or perhaps an auspicious-looking beaver, on a commonly circulated denomination.

Well, heck, if you're going to put beavers on the money, you might as well include loons, polar bears, and caribou. Happily, there's a country right next door which has been testing that.

Drunky Smurf 11-01-2012 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leaffan (Post 15651138)
Puts a whole new meaning behind "I just came into some money."

I've always wanted to come into some money. :(

Someday Drunky. Someday.

drastic_quench 11-01-2012 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sunspace (Post 15651252)
Well, heck, if you're going to put beavers on the money, you might as well include loons, polar bears, and caribou. Happily, there's a country right next door which has been testing that.

Yet they look nowhere near auspicious enough. That damned loon is just floating there! It could at least have its beak skyward.

Marley23 11-01-2012 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sunspace (Post 15651252)
Well, heck, if you're going to put beavers on the money, you might as well include loons

Is that another vote for Ron Paul?

Happy Lendervedder 11-01-2012 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodgers01 (Post 15649967)
If anyone else needs a reminder of who's already on the currency, list here.

If Jackson were to go, the first replacement I can think of who's not already honored is John Adams.

Maybe also promote FDR from the dime to the $20.

FDR's on the dime because he helped found the March of Dimes (to help eradicate childhood polio). I think when he'll be on the dime for a while.

I say put Teddy Roosevelt on the 20. First president of the 20th century, put him on the 20 dollar bill.

Fretful Porpentine 11-01-2012 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drastic_quench (Post 15651000)
The U.S. currency is far too human-centric. I would like a famous horse, or perhaps an auspicious-looking beaver, on a commonly circulated denomination.

How about a badass president AND a moose? Win-win.

Scumpup 11-01-2012 01:58 PM

JFK should be on the $20 bill. Put Jackson on the 50 cent piece if they even still make them any more.

Really Not All That Bright 11-01-2012 02:39 PM

Which of JFK's great achievements are we putting him on the $20 for? Jayne Mansfield? Marilyn? Being shot?

Malthus 11-01-2012 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Really Not All That Bright (Post 15651711)
Which of JFK's great achievements are we putting him on the $20 for? Jayne Mansfield? Marilyn? Being shot?

Why not a compromise - put a pic of JFK screwing a starlet on one side, and Jackson killing some poor sap on the other. :D

StGermain 11-01-2012 03:00 PM

Maybe they should put Michael Jackson on the $20. King of Pop, after all.

StG

Scumpup 11-01-2012 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Really Not All That Bright (Post 15651711)
Which of JFK's great achievements are we putting him on the $20 for? Jayne Mansfield? Marilyn? Being shot?

I"ll happily put him on there for having apparently pissed in your Cheerios.

panache45 11-01-2012 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StGermain (Post 15651813)
Maybe they should put Michael Jackson on the $20. King of Pop, after all.

StG

And on the back, all the kids he abused.

hogarth 11-01-2012 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuyguy (Post 15651056)
But Grover Cleveland? Really? What the hell made him worthy to be on our $1,000 bill?

I can think of two non-consecutive reasons.

Dangerosa 11-01-2012 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simplicio (Post 15651246)
I'd be OK with shooting him first.

That might be a worthwhile trade......

eschereal 11-01-2012 06:34 PM

Steve Jobs? I mean, people do need jobs.

tomcar 11-01-2012 07:04 PM

I say MLK should be on the 20. He certainly was no more flawed than the forefathers and a central figure in US history.
Or put Lincoln on there and get rid of the penny altogether.

Chessic Sense 11-01-2012 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phouka (Post 15650255)
Bzzzt! I'm sorry, blue infinity, the correct answer was "Theodore Roosevelt". Who was the most badass president ever? Theodore Roosevelt. You have lost teh Intarwebz.

Yeah...no.

Really Not All That Bright 11-01-2012 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scumpup (Post 15651866)
I"ll happily put him on there for having apparently pissed in your Cheerios.

I don't have anything against him. I just don't think he was a great president.

Leaffan 11-01-2012 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Really Not All That Bright (Post 15652614)
I don't have anything against him. I just don't think he was a great president.

His handling of the Cuban missile crisis and aversion of a nuclear war is significant, no?


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