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What is "real" Mexican food?
I have heard, from several sources, that most of the food you find in Mexican restaurants in this country (i.e. tacos, nachos, burritos, etc.) are not authentic Mexican dishes, but rather Americanized, "Tex-Mex" food. If this is true, what are examples of true Mexican entrees?
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That's a lot like asking "What is real American food?" It's a pretty diverse country with several distinct regions. Some generic things that you may have had which could be more or less authentic:
tacos (usually just a corn tortilla with any of a variety of different meats, plus onions and cilantro. Often served with a wedge of lime) enchiladas (meat in a tortilla baked with in a red sauce with cheese) carne asada (grilled meat served with various side items which can be combined into tortillas) quesadillas (again, a bit different than what you are used to) Basically, think meats (either grilled or steamed), soups, rice, etc. Often flavoured with cilantro or cumin, chiles, onions, etc. |
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Man, I can't believe I forgot tamales (usually meat wrapped in corn meal then steamed in a corn husk, served with a red chile sauce) and tostados (meat, lettuce and curd cheese on a flat tortilla shell). Then you've got flautas (tortilla rolled around meat), arroz con pollo (chicken and rice), etc.
As you get toward the coasts, of course figure in a lot more fish dishes. |
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Remember than arroz con pollo and carne asada are entrees not only in Mexican cuisine, but in different parts of America(the continent).
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my abiding memories of travelling around mexico in the 80s on the cheap is tasteless refried beans and flat bread with everything, and huevos rancheros (eggs and tomatoes) for breakast. Tried the traditional chicken with chocolate (pollo mole?) which didn't impress, but that may have been the restaurant. After 8 weeks on the road, got to Mexico city, found a Dennys, and pigged out on real bread.
IMHO Tex mex is far tastier than "real mexican" food. |
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For starters--if it has cheddar cheese or jack cheese in the dish, it's Americanized. Cheese does exist in authentic Mexican cuisine, but in much different forms. There are cheeses like Panela (similar to mozzarella) and Cojita (similar to parmesan) that are used often in authentic cuisine.
Since you asked for examples of authentic dishes, I'm going to crack open my copy of My Mexico by Diana Kennedy (a very well-researched cookbook on authentic Mexican cuisine), and give you a list of some of the dishes: Chiles Pasillas Rellenos de Papa --Pasilla Chiles stuffed with potato Chicharron de Pescado --Crisp-fried Fish Torrejas de Frijol --Bean fritters in chile sauce Puerco en Pipian --Pork in pepita (pumpkin seed) sauce Sopa de Haba Seca --Dried fava bean soup Gorditas de Frijol --Masa cakes filled with beans Every area of Mexico also has a version of mole--usually either chicken or pork, and the sauce varies from a bright red and spicy to a mellow, dark sauce that has a slight sweetness (and the addition of unsweetened chocolate). And, as mentioned above, things like tamales, rice, tacos, and tostadas are also authentic--it just depends on how they're made. |
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Dagnabit, JavaMaven now you're just making me hungry! And if I want something like that up here in the 'Nati I gotta make it myself.
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When people talk about real Mexican food or real chinese food they are really thinking of is peasant food. When that food is Americanized a lot of the changes simply have to do with the fact that as a country even our 'peasantry' can afford much better ingrediants. A poor farmer can't afford high quality meat in every dish, and on the occassions they do it is much less of an emphasis than when the same meal gets Americanized and we have three pounds of chicken with a couple greens on the side.. Fajita itself refers to skirt steak, which you have to marinate and grill the hell out of to be able to eat it. But we borrow the general idea and use it on much better meat. 'Real' food is based around grains and high efficiency vegtables and legumes, Corn and beans in the Americas, rice and soybeans in Asia. The food we like is usually more based on the food the rich and elite ate.(It's not Private Tso's chicken after all). And then obviously it gets substituitions for what proportions and spices we are more used to.
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Since nobody's mentioned it yet, there's also milanesa. It's a breaded piece of beef or pork fried up and topped with lettuce, cheese, chiles, etc.. Yes it's a lot like chicken fried steak, and it seemed to me that it served the same function as a truckstop and businessmans restaurant staple.
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Wolfman, rather than "peasant food" I'd call it comfort food, unless any culture's or nation's cuisine is likewise peasant food.
As for some authentic Mexican dishes that haven't been mentioned: - Pozole, a stew of hominy with pork or chicken. - Chiles en nogada, a poblano chile pepper stuffed with ground beef and smothered with nutmegged cream, pecans and pomegranate seeds. - Barbacoa, roast goat (or dog if you're in Tampico ) slow cooked in a deep pit. Consomé de barbacoa is the resultant fatty broth, with rice and garbanzo beans.- Crepas de huitlacoche, crepes stuffed with smut (black corn fungus). - Tlacoyos de haba, blue cornmeal stuffed with fava-bean paste, covered with nopales, grated white cheese and green tomato sauce. - Chilaquiles, stewed corn tortilla with red sauce, Oaxaca cheese, onions, and chicken. |
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What is Cilantro?
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Can you use grass cuttings as a substitute then?
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Um. Let's try to stick to the facts here please.
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The OP is an interesting question, one I've been thinking about lately. I've been watching a new show on FoodTV, "Rick Bayless's Mexico", I believe, which is filmed in Mexico; Bayless visits restaurants, cooks, and talks about recipes which are much different than our same old/same old cooking up here.
As far as the OP, I believe our recipes are "authentic," but very limited. In the U.S., who sees anything different than: tacos, enchiladas, burritos, tostadas and taquitos? El Mariachi Loco, your dishes sound like what I'd like to try making at home, so I've ordered up one of Rick Bayless's cookbooks. Got a recipe for those stuffed chiles? Post it over in Cafe Society, if you do! Hey, Rick Bayless has a restaurant in Chicago, doesn't he? There are a lot of Chicagoans posting here - has anyone been to his place and experienced some different Mexican food and can fill us in? |
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Typical foods in the Caribbean include rice, beans, and tubers such as mandioca, yams, batata, etc. All of those are inexpensive food items. The food with meat that you see shown as typical...yes, peasants could have made those food for special occasions(which also make the food comfort food), but it was not their everyday meal. Quote:
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I think you'll find that Rick Bayliss's Mexican Kitchen would give you a superb cook's tour of Mexico. The background info on what is really available there is astounding.
He actually has two restaurants in Chicago-Frontera Grill and Topolobampo. Book ahead about a month. But you will be eating real Mex, only prepared by a great chef. I think that's the difference, as others in the thread have offered. |
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The Griffin You asked what is cilantro?
It used to be called coriander or Chinese parsley. These days it is just cilantro. Bren-Cameron Rick Bayliss offers in his book that "....while sprigs of the large-leafed variety are beautiful as a garnish, smaller cilantro seems to be tastier, with no soapy, bitter flavor." You might try a different supplier. |
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Cilantro is also known as Coriander. The seeds are called coriander, while the leaves are known by their spanish name. Coriander roots are sometimes used in Thai cooking.
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pugluvr - I don't have a recipe of my own, sorry to say. But I found this link that pretty closely matches what I've seen here. (I misstated pecans in my earlier post, should have said almonds.)
I've been to the Bayless' Frontera Grill in Chicago, several years ago. It was pretty good, but they definitely made some "adaptations" from the traditional recipes. I don't know if it's still there, but the Hacienda Tecalitlan (on Ashland at Chicago Ave., I think) had some very authentic regional cooking from Jalisco state, as well as live mariachi music. Lupita's in Evanston had some pretty good Mexican fish dishes. For taquería food (and pancita/menudo on weekends), try Atotonilco on 26th Street. KarlGrenze - Agreed, much of the "typical" ethnic food that nonnative diners get excited about is not standard fare at the finer local restaurants. If the jet-setting crowd wants to pay eight dollars for a dallop of bean dip at the Guatemala City Sheraton, more power to them. But then again I suppose shit on a shingle is American peasant food, and Easterners still pay good money to eat Chipped Beef on Toast at Cheyenne Days. |
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I've always heard that it's a genetic difference, like rolling your tongue, that to some people cilantro tasted like soap, and some thought it tasted great. I asked the all-knowing Google, and got a number of folks saying things like "of course it's well known that there's a genetic difference that causes cilantro to taste soapy to some people" but nothing that seemed definite--just anecdotal stuff, "someone told me" kind of things. Anybody know what the story is with that? |
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Authenticity - in China, that would mean pig intestine soup, rice with grit in it, etc. In Vietnam, pickled pigs' ears. There's a limit to how much authenticity we want.
Cilantro - usually called Coriander here - is an indispensible ingredient in Thai, Vietnamese, some Chinese, some Indian, and much Middle Eastern/N African cuisine, as well as Mexican. Wonderful stuff. Now - my turn to display ignorance. What's a pasilla chili? Drooling all over the keyboard after reading JavaMaven1's reference to Chiles Pasillas Rellenos de Papa , I did a search and found these... http://www.pepperfool.com/recipes/me...a_stuffed.html http://home.earthlink.net/~rlusk12/r...rticle_dk.html I must try them. Am I right in assuming you need the large, not particularly hot chillies (can't imagine stuffing anything into the little 1 inch Thai-type chillis)? |
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) that that is what happens - you lose your sensitivity to that soapy flavour after a while.
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Cilantro IS the Best!
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No, eat it with frijoles a la charra. Eat in tacos with onions and fajita/trompo/bistek. Eat sopa de vegetales with cilantro. Man, I would NEVER imagine eating frijoles (beans) WITHOUT cilantro. It's just not the same. XicanoreX |
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Also, when you order tortilla soup, the chile strips that come on the side are pasilla. |
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Wow.
Thanks for all the info guys! Now comes problem #2; where to find these tasty-sounding dishes in freaking Massachusetts... |
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Do what samclem sez...pick yourself up a copy of Rick Bayliss's Mexican Kitchen. And make it yourself.
I WORSHIP that cookbook. It's worth the hardcover price for the taco recipes alone. Damn, it's worth the price for the chicken-and-greens-in-tomatillo-sauce-taco recipe alone. |
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Any Mexican neighborhood in Boston? If not, try hangin' out with Mexican farmworkers. No, seriously, many of my pips migrate from the Lower Rio Grande Valley (near the Mexico border in Texas) and go to Mass to work in the fields. A good number should make good Mexican cooking . . .oh, well, is worth a try.XicanoreX |
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arisu Somehow, I just knew Uke would arrive. Just bait the hook with the name of Rick Bayliss or John Thorne and you caught yourself a tuna.
Since you appear to be a student, I doubt that you'll be taking Ike's advice and cooking your own. If you can, go for it. It will make you a better person later in life. And, women love guys who can cook good stuff. Otherwise, pick up a copy of Zagat for Boston/Mass. and try out some of their Mex places. While it may be more commercial, it might point you away from mediocre places and in the direction of better food. Also, try to find out how to implement xicanorex's suggestion. Inquire in the local Mexican community. He/she makes me want to travel to Mexico City for a week of serious eating. |
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I am indeed a student, but I think I might pick up a few o' these cookbooks. Without question it'll be cheaper than eating out in Boston (The City Where Everything Is 25% More Expensive Than It Would Be Back Home In The Midwest). |
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Guy? Did I say "guy?" How chauvanistic of me.Seriously, if you are at all interested in cooking, Bayliss is the way to go. Enjoy. |
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I did a quick Google, if Boston's not too far away for you give this place a shot: Taqueria LA Mexicana Quote:
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Mole, mole, mole (not the furry ground creature)
Hmm real Mexican food...I live in El Paso - where I would boast that the Mexican food is better and more authentic than in much of the rest of the country.
However, even here most people will tell you that for "real" Mexican food you still have to cross the border for a restaurant, or eat in someone's own home. However there has been a local trend of sucessful restaurants from the Mexican side opening a version on this side. In the area of Mexico south of us, Chihuahua, the food uses more red meat and dairy products than in most of the rest of Mexico. Sometimes a whole hog or cut side of beef will be prepared for a fiesta. Most of the cheese is light white and creamy, not cheddar type cheeses. Carnitas (fried bits of pork) are popular, as well as gorditas (real ones...not tacolike ones). As you can tell, the local version of Mexican food isn't too kind to the waistline. But there is a whole range of cooking from proper dishes like mole poblano and other moles, pastries, and other foods far more elegant and refined than the stuff in a typical American Mexican restaurant to very humble dishes that you won't find in most American restaurants, like morcilla (cooked hog blood), tripitas, buche, menudo, chicharrones, and so on. In other parts of Mexico there are different dishes, along the coasts, seafood and fish are important. Along the lower Rio Grande and Northeast Mexico, cabrito (goat) is popular. Since migration usually goes along certain lines, Los Angeles Mexican food, Albuquerque Mexican food, and Houston Mexican food are probably pretty different. |
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Re: What is "real" Mexican food?
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Here's a pretty detailed article on rural Tex Mex cooking. http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/.../TT/lgtlt.html I think stuff like Nachos and Chilli are what most people associate with Tex-Mex though. |
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Looks outside. Observes Charles River across the street, Fenway Park down the block. Nah. Boston's not to far away. That place sounds ideally priced for the penniless college student! I'll definitely try it the next time I'm out and about! |
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I've never had real luck with the "follow the Mexicans" method of choosing a Mexican restaurant; it may be because I'm semivegetarian.
A lot of the Mexican restaurants I really like seem to be much more Mexicali: emphasis on avocados, fresh vegetables and the like. Ceviche, or raw fish marinated in lime juice, is absolutely fantastic, though. And some Mexican restaurants I've eaten at delight in using fruit in unusual ways (grilled fish burrito with rice and banana, for example). IS there any region of Mexico that emphasizes fruit in savory dishes, or do I just eat at restaurants with strange senses of humor? Daniel |
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And almost all cow heads in most parts of the country are used for steamed tacos de cabeza. Tacos de sesos (brain),lengua (tongue),carnaza (meat from the cheeks and other parts of the head) and even ojo (eye)! Quote:
Cochinita pibil from the Yucatan, is shredded pork with a sauce of achiote and orange juice. Platano macho often accompanies mole. |
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OK, I think the question has been answered. Can we please close this thread before my growling stomach starts to bother my neighbor? (The drool is starting to be an issue as well.)
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2) Mostly on the coastal regions such as in Yucatan, Veracruz, and Guerrero. BTW, Nobody has mentioned another Mexican deligh, CABRITO! XicanoreX |
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