Semen and Kosher?

chaoticbear · #1 01-05-2006, 12:31 AM

I can't think of anywhere that I've ever found that semen is expressly forbiddden for Jews to eat. My question stems from the milk/meat issue. Obviously, semen, although it may have many euphemisms that involve the word "milk," is not a secretion of the mammary glands.

Is it, however, a meat/meat product?

If I were Jewish, and followed Kosher, would I be able to ingest semen and milk at the same meal?

For the record, no, I'm not the only person in the world wondering this. My boyfriend also wonders the same thing. (Only after I prompted it.)

CynicalGabe · #2 01-05-2006, 12:42 AM

Doesn't some kosher rule have something about bodily fluids being drained from the animal?

cmkeller · #3 01-05-2006, 08:22 AM

Things that are derived from an animal but are not the animal's actual flesh are not meat. I imagine this would (from a Kashrus perspective) be no different than drinking milk after French-kissing someone.

On the other hand, doesn't semen usually contain trace amounts of blood? If so, I don't think you'd be allowed to ingest it, as blood is always a no-no.

Mama Zappa · #4 01-05-2006, 01:15 PM

I'd think that the kosher-ness would be the least of your problems - after all, you'd have to "spill your seed" in order for someone to swallow it, and you'd be immediately smitten by the Lord for doing so (google "Bible Onan").

Lemur866 · #5 01-05-2006, 01:20 PM

Onan wasn't smote because he spilled his seed upon the ground, he was smote because he refused to impregnate his (dead) brother's wife to give his brother a posthumous son. The method he chose to avoid impregnating his brother's wife was spilling his seed upon the ground.

Bricker · #6 01-05-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemur866

Onan wasn't smote because he spilled his seed upon the ground, he was smote because he refused to impregnate his (dead) brother's wife to give his brother a posthumous son. The method he chose to avoid impregnating his brother's wife was spilling his seed upon the ground.

True. But nonetheless, sh'chatat zerah - (destruction of the seed, or ejaculation outside the vagina) is halachically forbidden, and that prohibition is based on the Onan passage. In fact, male masturbation is forbidden for this reason as well. Niddah 13a: in the case of a man, "...the hand that reaches below the navel should be chopped off."

rainy · #7 01-05-2006, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mama Zappa

...and you'd be immediately smitten by the Lord for doing so (google "Bible Onan").

I didn't realize until just know that smitten was a past participle (yeah, yeah whatever, I can't diagram a sentence anymore either) of smite. Just doesn't seem to carry the same weigh in a connotative sense.

-rainy

CC · #8 01-05-2006, 05:06 PM

If I'd a had the kind of wife (chaoticbear) who woulda engaged in the kind of conversation, speculation and post ejaculation activation that the above poster indicates, I'da never left home in the first place. ;j

CynicalGabe · #9 01-05-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rainy

I didn't realize until just know that smitten was a past participle (yeah, yeah whatever, I can't diagram a sentence anymore either) of smite. Just doesn't seem to carry the same weigh in a connotative sense.

-rainy

That's because smitten means 'infatuated'.

SABEI_KING · #10 01-07-2006, 03:11 AM

Well Jews aswell as Muslims eat Kosher. I think the rules in Judaism are sumwhat similar i mean if u really like it who can stop u ? But think logicly or ask u mother semen is mad to nock u up not for the forth mean of the day

Angua · #11 01-07-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SABEI_KING

Well Jews aswell as Muslims eat Kosher.

Nitpick. Muslims don't keep kosher, they keep halal, and whilst a vast majority of the rules that apply to halal apply to kosher, not everything that is halal is kosher, but everything that is kosher is halal. For instance, there's no prohibition for Muslims to mix meat and dairy.

Mbossa · #12 01-08-2006, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Angua

Nitpick. Muslims don't keep kosher, they keep halal, and whilst a vast majority of the rules that apply to halal apply to kosher, not everything that is halal is kosher, but everything that is kosher is halal. For instance, there's no prohibition for Muslims to mix meat and dairy.

(bolding mine)

Another nitpick: alcoholic drinks can be kosher but are never halal.