Fuck you, you Clockwork Orange murdering assholes

[Cartooniverse]

This story has a lot more to it.

I was just told about the murder by a friend. She lives in Lexington, just across the river. Her son is close to the younger brother of the victim.

16 kids beat him senseless, laid his body across the railroad tracks. Then they watched the train run over him, ripping his body apart.

This, according to the 15 year old brother. Told to the woman who just told me. She said the cops are being very closed-mouthed about it so far. Still investigating it.

Details hopefully will follow soon. One dead man. 16 rampaging assholes.



Cartooniverse

[Argent Towers]

I suspect the "kids" are not "kids" but 16 and 17 year old gangbangers with illegitimate children and gold chains. In any case, this is absolutely horrific. It never ceases to amaze me how brutal some people can be.

[Cartooniverse]

Indeed.

A slightly more full version.

The kid brother said that there were 16 kids there, either actively involved in beating his older brother or watching.

Sixteen goddamned perpetrators. The kid brother said 4 were arrested already, but that information has not been released to the press.

Yet.

[tomndebb]

Originally Posted by Argent Towers

I suspect the "kids" are not "kids" but 16 and 17 year old gangbangers with illegitimate children and gold chains. In any case, this is absolutely horrific. It never ceases to amaze me how brutal some people can be.

Interesting conclusion to which to leap given that Purcell and Lexington, combined, have fewer than 8,000 people living in the middle of the plains of Oklahoma.
(Maybe it was a horde of Air Force brats invading from Tinker AFB?)

I'd suggest leaving the wild speculation alone until we see some actual facts.

[Scylla]

Originally Posted by tomndebb

Interesting conclusion to which to leap given that Purcell and Lexington, combined, have fewer than 8,000 people living in the middle of the plains of Oklahoma.
(Maybe it was a horde of Air Force brats invading from Tinker AFB?)

I'd suggest leaving the wild speculation alone until we see some actual facts.

I'm thinking they were Amish.

[bufftabby]

Originally Posted by Scylla

I'm thinking they were Amish.

Amish gangbangers? Preposterous!

[Cervaise]

Kids get bored and cause trouble when there aren't enough barns to raise.

[LurkMeister]

Originally Posted by Scylla

I'm thinking they were Amish.

Grand Theft Amish

[sturmhauke]

Originally Posted by LurkMeister

Grand Theft Amish

Grand Theft Kincaid (scroll to bottom)

[Argent Towers]

Originally Posted by tomndebb

Interesting conclusion to which to leap given that Purcell and Lexington, combined, have fewer than 8,000 people living in the middle of the plains of Oklahoma.
(Maybe it was a horde of Air Force brats invading from Tinker AFB?)

I'd suggest leaving the wild speculation alone until we see some actual facts.

OK, point taken. Although I'm glad my speculation did lead to some Amish humor.

[lobotomyboy63]

Originally Posted by Argent Towers

OK, point taken. Although I'm glad my speculation did lead to some Amish humor.

Oh, sure, just ASSUME it's the Amish! Believe it or not, not ALL of them are the scoundrels some would have you believe. A few low-speed chases on TV with their beards flapping in the breeze and suddenly, "Who else could it be?" I expected better from the SDMB.

But seriously I imagine police would hold back some details so they know who's coming forward with credible information and who isn't. Not announcing the foul play aspect might help them catch the perps off guard.

[Hockey Monkey]

PURCELL — A Purcell man was killed early this morning when he was hit by a train, a McClain County dispatcher confirmed.

About 3:25 a.m., Joby Green-Tinker, 21, was walking on or near the train tracks in the area of E Jefferson Street and N Santa Fe Avenue when he was hit by a passing train, the dispatcher said.

The incident remains under investigation.

This is the full extent of the story you linked to. Not much detail there, and nothing about a murder. Any other links you can provide?

[Cartooniverse]

Both links work. If I cut and paste the full text of both articles I will be banned for violation of the Board Rules concerning copyrighted material. I would have to have written permission in this thread to cut and paste a full article.

I'm sorry you cannot see the full articles linked.

[squeegee]

Originally Posted by Cartooniverse

Both links work. If I cut and paste the full text of both articles I will be banned for violation of the Board Rules concerning copyrighted material. I would have to have written permission in this thread to cut and paste a full article.

I'm sorry you cannot see the full articles linked.

I get the same three-sentence story that Hockey Monkey quoted for the first link. For the second I see more, six sentences, but the story concludes that the cops aren't saying if foul play is suspected. Should I see otherwise?

[Q.E.D.]

Originally Posted by squeegee

Should I see otherwise?

No, you're just supposed to believe that the third-hand information we've been given is true and accurate and couldn't possibly be the distorted ranting of an understandably-upset 15-year-old.

[Cartooniverse]

--sigh-- Read my OP and second post again. I was told about this story by a woman who LISTENED TO the kid brother of the victim. For example, 4 kids WERE arrested. That has not been made public yet.

As I said, details should follow as they are made public. The sheer monstrocity of it is what prompted my O.P.

ETA: What FerretHerder said.

[Hockey Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cartooniverse

--sigh-- Read my OP and second post again. I was told about this story by a woman who LISTENED TO the kid brother of the victim. For example, 4 kids WERE arrested. That has not been made public yet.

As I said, details should follow as they are made public. The sheer monstrocity of it is what prompted my O.P.

ETA: What FerretHerder said.

I understand that you are upset about an incident, but you posted a link and promised more details, then a slightly more full link that also contained nothing about what you were talking about. Don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting you, but perhaps you could have more clearly stated what was going on, and stated more clearly that your information was from a non-news source. I was confused by your ire given the links provided.

[Baldwin]

Originally Posted by Cartooniverse

--sigh-- Read my OP and second post again. I was told about this story by a woman who LISTENED TO the kid brother of the victim.

Yeah. That's why it's third-hand, which is why my default assumption is that it's not reliable information.

[Ferret Herder]

Yup. There's nothing about beating, attacks, anything, in either of those articles. I think what 'Toon means is that the papers/cops are being mum about how the guy really got on the tracks and that the victim's brother has been talking about it.

[Hockey Monkey]

I can see both articles, but neither say anything about 16 kids beating up a man and putting him on the tracks to be dismembered. I'm just a little confused.

[ivan astikov]

Something needs to be done about these not-so-little fucking savages. How about we start by releasing all non-violent offenders from jails, and refilling their places, by pro-actively targeting these scum? If the police can disguise their officers as prostitutes to make a case, and use other forms of enticement, to engage criminals, they could easily have 'sacrificial lambs' sent into the areas these thugs frequent, with a team ready to go in hard, the moment things kicked off.

[BubbaDog]

Originally Posted by ivan astikov

Something needs to be done about these not-so-little fucking savages. How about we start by releasing all non-violent offenders from jails, and refilling their places, by pro-actively targeting these scum? If the police can disguise their officers as prostitutes to make a case, and use other forms of enticement, to engage criminals, they could easily have 'sacrificial lambs' sent into the areas these thugs frequent, with a team ready to go in hard, the moment things kicked off.

Sounds like a really bad Hollywood movie. They could get that Dolf guy to play the lead law enforcement type.

Maybe they could throw in a Chief of police who threatens to take the renegade cops off the case. And a pretty DA who has a love-hate relationship with Dolf.

[ivan astikov]

Originally Posted by BubbaDog

Sounds like a really bad Hollywood movie. They could get that Dolf guy to play the lead law enforcement type.

Maybe they could throw in a Chief of police who threatens to take the renegade cops off the case. And a pretty DA who has a love-hate relationship with Dolf.

I'm glad your here, making snide remarks then, instead of being head of Universal's budgeting allocation department! I'd hate to see the sort of crap you'd finance!

[lobotomyboy63]

Missed the edit window by a mile.

The scene from "Witness."
http://youtube.com/watch?v=riUNuyEA6oo

[Arnold Winkelried]

Originally Posted by lobotomyboy63

Missed the edit window by a mile.

The scene from "Witness."
http://youtube.com/watch?v=riUNuyEA6oo

Don't look to Hollywood for an accurate representation of what happens in Amish country.

Instead, look at this documentary movie. You will see that some of those Amish are more gang-bangerish than you might at first imagine.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Uj-JflMMKpk

[lobotomyboy63]

[AMISH hijack]

Originally Posted by Arnold Winkelried

Don't look to Hollywood for an accurate representation of what happens in Amish country.

Instead, look at this documentary movie. You will see that some of those Amish are more gang-bangerish than you might at first imagine.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Uj-JflMMKpk

Point taken

Seriously, though, I saw a thing on TV about Amish traditions...I'm guessing they were talking about Rumspringa:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumspringa

A minority of Amish youth do diverge from established customs.[8] Some may be found:[9]

Wearing non-traditional clothing and hair styles
Driving vehicles instead of horse drawn buggies (for communities that eschew vehicles)
Not attending home prayer
Drinking, smoking, and/or drug use
In Anabaptist belief, it is essential for adults to enter baptism knowingly and informed, and that could mean being informed concerning life outside the strict Amish culture.[10] Not all youth diverge from custom during this period; approximately half in the larger communities and the majority in smaller Amish communities remain within the norms of Amish dress or behavior during adolescence.[11]

Some of the Amish don't go back, at which point they're forever shunned. Some get really messed up on drugs etc. during their time away from their families.

[/AMISH hijack]

Back to the OP/tomndebb's cite: Wow, 16 witnesses and nobody could stop it? I wonder why there's no mention of the conductor's opinion of the condition of the body before it was run over. And what were his friends doing at the time?

There's quite a paucity of information here, almost 24 hours after the fact. In a rural area like this, the news would be especially huge and I'd think there would be more answers than this.

[Cartooniverse]

Hi. Away from laptop working. Now back, and have read up. I just checked with my first-person source. She said that there is MORE than a paucity of info. There is zero info coming from the local cops.

She's asking around, though. I'll keep on this. Not just because I hate looking like a fool here ( nothing new for me, of course... ), but because it was shared with a rational adult who I know and trust by this younger brother. Very weird.

However, I will be glad to up and say that the older brother died on the tracks in a drunken stupor and wasn't beaten at all. It's just that a bucket full of witnesses said he was knocked around pretty well.

AND, the fact that the cops have told the younger brother and his family that 4 had been arrested. Now, nothing.

Hmmmmmm.

ETA: Either one or more of those kids is heavily connected locally ( see story above about kid, crime, attorney parents, etc. etc. ) and this is being suppressed, or the original info I was given is bullshit. Either way, I wanna know.

[Tenebras]

Originally Posted by Cartooniverse

ETA: Either one or more of those kids is heavily connected locally ( see story above about kid, crime, attorney parents, etc. etc. ) and this is being suppressed, or the original info I was given is bullshit. Either way, I wanna know.

My money's on bullshit. Anybody want a piece of this action?

[Rack-a-Bones]

It has been 24 hours. Any new information?