The Straight Dope

Go Back   Straight Dope Message Board > Main > General Questions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-15-2008, 11:50 AM
Bricker Bricker is offline
And Full Contact Origami
SDSAB
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 37,611
Failed Bush admin initiatives

Hopefully this can remain in GQ.

As Bush's presidency draws to a close, it seems to be he's been a successful president -- by which I mean that in general, he has gotten Congress to enact what he asked for. (Obviously, to what extent those were wise or salubrious choices for the country is a matter for GD or the Pit; I refer to "success" here only in the limited, factual sense of getting what he wanted).

Where did he fail? On what major initiatives in the past eight-ish years did Bush fall down, fail to get Congress to do what he wanted?

Social security privatization comes to mind. What else?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-15-2008, 11:55 AM
mlees mlees is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bricker View Post
Hopefully this can remain in GQ.

As Bush's presidency draws to a close, it seems to be he's been a successful president -- by which I mean that in general, he has gotten Congress to enact what he asked for. (Obviously, to what extent those were wise or salubrious choices for the country is a matter for GD or the Pit; I refer to "success" here only in the limited, factual sense of getting what he wanted).

Where did he fail? On what major initiatives in the past eight-ish years did Bush fall down, fail to get Congress to do what he wanted?

Social security privatization comes to mind. What else?
Immigration Reform.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-15-2008, 12:14 PM
Gadarene Gadarene is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Washington, D.C.
Posts: 6,621
A number of judicial nominees. Miguel "I have no opinion on any past Supreme Court cases because I wasn't there at the time and didn't read the briefs" Estrada comes to mind, as does Harriet Miers. Or, to the extent you can counter a list of failed nominations with a list of successful nominations, I'd say that the Senate did not allow Bush the leeway to effectuate as broad a scope of judicial nominations as he wanted, both in terms of absolute numbers and in terms of consistent judicial philosophy. Bush wanted to emulate Reagan by seeding the lower federal courts with judges who would thoroughly reshape the judicial activist excesses of past years (we can argue about the definition of activism and whatever, but I think I'm accurately characterizing his perspective). I don't think he was able to do that.

On a similar note, the Supreme Court blunted Bush's policy initiatives a number of times: regarding Guantanamo and affirmative action, among other things.

And of course there were all those investigations and inquiries. Gonzales, Libby, Gale Norton, GAO reports about impropriety in the administrative agencies...even if these (and other similar) things didn't specifically neutralize a specific Bush administration policy, it's fair to say that they blunted future initiatives.

...Of course, on reflection, I see that you limit your question to Congress. So: judicial nominations and (kinda) the GAO is my response.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-15-2008, 01:06 PM
Squink Squink is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Fact Sheet: Balancing the Budget While Keeping Taxes Low
Quote:
Office of the Press Secretary
July 19, 2007

President Bush's Pro-Growth Policies Are Helping Reduce The Deficit And
Keep Our Economy Growing
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-15-2008, 01:20 PM
Hari Seldon Hari Seldon is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Most notable, second to failing to destroy SS, was the failure to make the tax cuts permanent. He also would have liked to rein in medicare and failed. But all in all, he was amazingly succssful in getting congress to go along with him. A number of congressmen may pay the price for that success.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-15-2008, 01:46 PM
Simplicio Simplicio is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
I believe he tried to prevent the Office of Homeland Security from being created, at least as it was first proposed. Though does it count if Congress passes something he doesn't like but he signs it anyways? If so, I imagine we could come up with a lot of examples, especially from the last two years (raising CAFE standards, for example).
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-15-2008, 03:53 PM
regginbrow regginbrow is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hari Seldon View Post
He also would have liked to rein in medicare and failed.
Really? I thought he was in favor of Medicare Part D, which substantially increased the scope of the Medicare program to say the least.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-15-2008, 12:03 PM
Fear Itself Fear Itself is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: 847 mi. from Cecil
Posts: 25,765
The Clear Skies Initiative failed in Congress.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-15-2008, 12:08 PM
Fear Itself Fear Itself is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: 847 mi. from Cecil
Posts: 25,765
Constitutional Amendment Protecting Marriage was not enacted.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-15-2008, 02:56 PM
Fear Itself Fear Itself is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: 847 mi. from Cecil
Posts: 25,765
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bricker View Post
As Bush's presidency draws to a close, it seems to be he's been a successful president -- by which I mean that in general, he has gotten Congress to enact what he asked for.
For the sake of comparison, shouldn't we also list the Bush initiatives that were passed by Congress? In determining the relative success of the administration, the number of failures is rather meaningless without the number of successes to compare it to.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-15-2008, 03:03 PM
Dewey Finn Dewey Finn is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 13,369
How about the bank bailout, which passed ultimately but in a form different from what the White House proposed. Does it count as a success or a failure?
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-15-2008, 03:01 PM
John Mace John Mace is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bricker View Post
Social security privatization comes to mind.
Since this is GQ, I'll just note that Bush did not try to privatize Social Security. He tried to phase in an ability for citizens to voluntarily invest a fraction of their FICA payments (1/3, max) in one of 6 investment funds selected by the government. Anyone who wanted to stick with the old system could do so.

So yeah, Bush failed to get his Social Security reform package passed, but it was not an attempt to privatize the system-- ie, turn it into something like Chile's.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:10 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Send questions for Cecil Adams to: cecil@chicagoreader.com

Send comments about this website to: webmaster@straightdope.com

Terms of Use / Privacy Policy

Advertise on the Straight Dope!
(Your direct line to thousands of the smartest, hippest people on the planet, plus a few total dipsticks.)

Publishers - interested in subscribing to the Straight Dope?
Write to: sdsubscriptions@chicagoreader.com.

Copyright © 2013 Sun-Times Media, LLC.