Orly Taitz resurfaces in New Hampshire

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The story

I figured the good doctor was going to sit this election out since Donald Trump had already solved the mystery. It did not take long for her to get an answer.


The answer.

[Budget Player Cadet]

The whole Birther movement is beyond retarded. The first (and in my opinion most logically consequent) question would be: "what would hypothetically convince you that Obama is a United States citizen?" First they asked for his birth certificate. When it was supplied, they demanded the long-form version. When that was supplied, they cried that it was a forgery. Meanwhile there is absolutely no evidence that would indicate that he's not a US citizen, and sufficient evidence to the contrary to place severe doubt on that position.

But furthermore... what's the big deal? It's a part of the constitution that has become truly no longer relevant in today's world. If Obama wasn't a US citizen, it would be a legal catastrophe... But this isn't some issue like him passing wide-spread censorship laws, or outlawing the ownership of anything more dangerous than a pair of safety scissors, or declaring war on Russia. This is him not being a born citizen. That's not a huge deal. At least, not 3-year-long, fanatic-devotion witch hunt level. It has absolutely no effect on his ability to implement policy or make decisions in the name of the USA – we voted for him, remember?

The Birthers are on a similar mental level to those who doubt the veracity of the moon landing or who believe that 9/11 was a controlled demolition, and the fact that we have representatives in congress who believe this is kinda depressing.

[Steve MB]

Originally Posted by Budget Player Cadet

But furthermore... what's the big deal? It's a part of the constitution that has become truly no longer relevant in today's world. If Obama wasn't a US citizen, it would be a legal catastrophe... But this isn't some issue like him passing wide-spread censorship laws, or outlawing the ownership of anything more dangerous than a pair of safety scissors, or declaring war on Russia. This is him not being a born citizen. That's not a huge deal. At least, not 3-year-long, fanatic-devotion witch hunt level. It has absolutely no effect on his ability to implement policy or make decisions in the name of the USA – we voted for him, remember?

If there were any validity to the Birther claims, then, yes, it would be a big deal that the President is legally ineligible. If you think that this provision of the Constitution is "no longer relevant in today's world", then the proper response is to amend the Constitution to repeal it.

That said, the Birthers are in fact a cavalcade of crackpots who can produce no substantiation whatsoever for their bizarre conspiracy theories, so the question is moot (except insofar as it forces evaluation of how, exactly, the eligibility of a Presidential candidate is to be confirmed in general)>

[Budget Player Cadet]

Originally Posted by Steve MB

If there were any validity to the Birther claims, then, yes, it would be a big deal that the President is legally ineligible. If you think that this provision of the Constitution is "no longer relevant in today's world", then the proper response is to amend the Constitution to repeal it.

I mean on a purely moral level. I'm aware that it would be a legal disaster, but I don't really care; it wouldn't really mean anything if our laws weren't stupid.

That said, the Birthers are in fact a cavalcade of crackpots who can produce no substantiation whatsoever for their bizarre conspiracy theories, so the question is moot (except insofar as it forces evaluation of how, exactly, the eligibility of a Presidential candidate is to be confirmed in general)>

I loved that one skit where Jon Stewart demanded to see Trump's birth certificate because he was eating pizza with a fork.

[Belowjob2.0]

Obama, and the family who raised him in entirety, are all descendants of old stock Americans. Their heritage literally goes back to the Mayflower.

In their minds, his African biological dad makes all of this irrelevant.

[Skald the Rhymer]

Originally Posted by Budget Player Cadet

But furthermore... what's the big deal?

The big deal is that they wish to call him a nigger and foolishly think this is a discreet way of doing so.

[OttoDaFe]

You forgot "uppity."

[Kolga]

Originally Posted by OttoDaFe

You forgot "uppity."

Rush has got that covered, at least in reference to Michelle Obama.

[Savannah]

Originally Posted by Skald the Rhymer

The big deal is that they wish to call him a nigger and foolishly think this is a discreet way of doing so.

That's how I explained it to my husband a year or so ago. They really want to call him a n-----, but can't. And it's made them insane.

[Onomatopoeia]

Originally Posted by Skald the Rhymer

The big deal is that they wish to call him a nigger and foolishly think this is a discreet way of doing so.

Originally Posted by Savannah

That's how I explained it to my husband a year or so ago. They really want to call him a n-----, but can't. And it's made them insane.

It's more than that though. In their America, there's no way a black man can be president, so he must be illegitimate.

[Bill Door]

The birthers just got through eight years of saying "Whether you voted for him or not, he is the President of the Uited States, and failure to support him is treason." Then they ended up with a Democratic Negro Person in the White House. They could tolerate the Negro thing, if it had been Condi or Colin, they could tolerate the Democratic thing, if he'd been white, but the two of them together were intolerable, therefore, with the power of magical thinking, he wasn't really the president.

[Little Nemo]

Originally Posted by Budget Player Cadet

The whole Birther movement is beyond retarded. The first (and in my opinion most logically consequent) question would be: "what would hypothetically convince you that Obama is a United States citizen?" First they asked for his birth certificate. When it was supplied, they demanded the long-form version. When that was supplied, they cried that it was a forgery.

Orly Taitz has a plan. She's going to eventually on seeing the original paper copy of Barack Obama's birth certificate so she can verify its veracity. But once she has that original in her hand, she's going to stuff it in her mouth and swallow it before anyone can stop her.

[Little Nemo]

The reality is that birthers are a bunch of lost and confused people. They want to live in the America of their imagination. The country they think used to exist back in the good old days. "Our" country - a place where "they" weren't around. It's not just black people that disturb them. They don't understand Jews or foreigners or gays or city people or hippies or feminists or teenagers - the world is a big scary place and they want it to go away.

[j666]

Originally Posted by Skald the Rhymer

The big deal is that they wish to call him a nigger and foolishly think this is a discreet way of doing so.

I suspect in private many do.

Originally Posted by Little Nemo

The reality is that birthers are a bunch of lost and confused people. They want to live in the America of their imagination. The country they think used to exist back in the good old days. "Our" country - a place where "they" weren't around. It's not just black people that disturb them. They don't understand Jews or foreigners or gays or city people or hippies or feminists or teenagers - the world is a big scary place and they want it to go away.

I'm sorry, but what? What are you talking about? The Birthers are not all in their [... calculating ...] 70s or above, it would have to be. Jews, foreigners, city people and teenagers have been around for a long time - over three hundred years. As for hippies (?), gays, and feminists ... okay, you probably don't remember the sixties.

Civil rights, Woodstock, Stonewall, Our Bodies Ourselves, etc ... that was all over forty years ago. People have been born, grown up, had children, and possibly become grandparents in that time. And all that time, they had radio, movies, and television to bring the larger world to them. In fact, they've had internet for half that time. There are Birthers who have never know a time before the internet. The Birther 'good old days' are not some rose-colored vision of men in fedoras and women in kitchens.

So, no, I am not going to accept your vision of the Birthers as Grandpa and Grandma Walton on their rockers in the mountains, ready to open the hearts to everyone as soon as they get to know them.

[Little Nemo]

Originally Posted by j666

I'm sorry, but what? What are you talking about? The Birthers are not all in their [... calculating ...] 70s or above, it would have to be. Jews, foreigners, city people and teenagers have been around for a long time - over three hundred years. As for hippies (?), gays, and feminists ... okay, you probably don't remember the sixties.

Civil rights, Woodstock, Stonewall, Our Bodies Ourselves, etc ... that was all over forty years ago. People have been born, grown up, had children, and possibly become grandparents in that time. And all that time, they had radio, movies, and television to bring the larger world to them. In fact, they've had internet for half that time. There are Birthers who have never know a time before the internet. The Birther 'good old days' are not some rose-colored vision of men in fedoras and women in kitchens.

So, no, I am not going to accept your vision of the Birthers as Grandpa and Grandma Walton on their rockers in the mountains, ready to open the hearts to everyone as soon as they get to know them.

I'm definitely not talking about whatever it is you're talking about. I didn't make any mention of old age or grandparents. A lot of these people are younger than me (and, for the record, I grew up in the sixties).

As I pointed out, the life they're imagining is fiction - America was never really the way they think it was. A genuinely old person who lived back in those "good old days" would be more likely to realize that then somebody who's basing their knowledge off of nostalgia.

[Capitaine Zombie]

Originally Posted by Little Nemo

she's going to stuff it in her mouth and swallow it before anyone can stop her.

She does that with a lot of things.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by Budget Player Cadet

The whole Birther movement is beyond retarded. The first (and in my opinion most logically consequent) question would be: "what would hypothetically convince you that Obama is a United States citizen?"

His hypothetical party-conversion.

[MEBuckner]

Originally Posted by Budget Player Cadet

But furthermore... what's the big deal? It's a part of the constitution that has become truly no longer relevant in today's world. If Obama wasn't a US citizen, it would be a legal catastrophe... But this isn't some issue like him passing wide-spread censorship laws, or outlawing the ownership of anything more dangerous than a pair of safety scissors, or declaring war on Russia. This is him not being a born citizen. That's not a huge deal. At least, not 3-year-long, fanatic-devotion witch hunt level. It has absolutely no effect on his ability to implement policy or make decisions in the name of the USA – we voted for him, remember?

That's true if we're talking about some weak-tea Revisionist Birtherism whereby, OK, sure, President Obama was born in Honolulu, but because his father was Kenyan and his mother was only 18 the future President therefore had Dual Citizenship and was a Subject of the British Empire at birth and is therefore technically not eligible for the Presidency according to this inkblot they found on the original copy of the Constitution kept in the nitrogen-filled bulletproof glass case in the National Archives.

In True Blue Birtherism, on the other hand, President Obama was actually born in Kenya. If that were true, then there has been a massive Conspiracy which planted a short-form birth certificate, a long-form birth certificate, and birth announcements in the Honolulu newspapers fifty years ago as part of a deep-laid plot to plant a moderate centrist Democrat with a funny-sounding name in the White House. Presumably They are now just waiting for the time to be ripe to order their pawn to sign off on the Executive Order transferring all the money from the Federal Reserve Bank to the secret bank accounts in Nairobi.

[Euphonious Polemic]

Originally Posted by MEBuckner

They are now just waiting for the time to be ripe to order their pawn to sign off on the Executive Order transferring all the money from the Federal Reserve Bank to the secret bank accounts in Nairobi.

Well I hope it happens soon, because Mr. Bento Mbouti has promised me 30% of the total once he has satisfied all modalities.

[Jragon]

Well, you know, we can't END the birther nonsense, but maybe we can channel towards more... useful causes. I say we get some physicists and engineers in on the crazy, and then drive them so bonkers with needing to disprove his citizenship we get a working time machine.

[DianaG]

100% of Birthers are racists, retards, or some combination thereof. There are no exceptions to this rule.

[Katriona]

Originally Posted by DianaG

100% of Birthers are racists, retards, or some combination thereof. There are no exceptions to this rule.

Yep. I discovered this yesterday when my uncle revealed himself to be a birther. He tried really hard to keep race out of it, but we were shutting him down at every turn.

Where's the birth certificate? Well, he's released 2, how many do you want?

They're obviously fakes. Funny, the copy I had to request for my husband when I was joining the DAR looks exactly like the "short form" version released in 2008, except Tony's says Washington instead of Hawaii. That was acceptable enough to get him a passport, get him into the army, and me into that oh-so-conservative bastion of WASPiness, the DAR.

And on and on and on. We mostly just got a deer-in-headlights look when he couldn't refute anything we said and he'd try to move on to the next thing.

(We actually think he's developing dementia or something. He's gone completely out of character on some non-political things recently, too)

[Snowboarder Bo]

Some of the quotes from Taitz' supporters are awesome! Check these out:

"There's sufficient controversy that I want it investigated," Rappaport, a Ron Paul supporter, said yesterday. "Every time this is brought up . . . we get a lot of flak, but we've never gotten an answer."

Yeah, I guess those birth certificates weren't "an answer" somehow. How?

"I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but even I could take that apart and see that it was fraudulent," Rappaport said of the long-form certificate.

Indeed, neither you nor your comrades-in-arms are the sharpest knives in any drawer.

Lucien Vita said the birth certificate issue "should have been put to bed years ago" and also believes the documents released by Obama were forged.

"Don't believe anything you read and only half of what you see," he said.

I'm pretty sure that's not exactly what Ben Franklin said. You got the quote you are basing your argument and philosophy on wrong, but you still want me to give credence to your suppositions?

Vita said he's confident the Republican candidates are American citizens "because these people have all held other state offices" - though he acknowledged that could also apply to Obama, who was a U.S. senator before being elected president.

"We know where they were born," Vita said of the Republicans. "There's a level of credibility with Obama that has not sufficiently been met in my eyes. If he's a citizen, he should be able to prove it."

Are you fucking kidding me?

[davidm]

These are people who are desperate to get Obama out of office any way they can and they're searching for reasons. This comes from their fear his Presidency will result in... uh... something.

I can't quite figure out what that something is. Cats sleeping with dogs, gays marrying, blacks and whites marrying, brown people moving in next door, healthy school lunches, death panels, communism, fascism, Sharia law, terrorism, a Muslim dictatorship by Christian minister Reverend Wright.

I don't know. I can't figure it out.

[howye]

Originally Posted by davidm

I don't know. I can't figure it out.

And neither can they.

[MeanOldLady]

Oh my god, I thought this idiot hung herself out of shame when Obama finally humored the squawking jerks by showing his full form cert to everyone. Speaking of idiocy from the Taintz crowd:

"I have doubts because of the delay in the time it actually took to come out with a long-form birth certificate," Vita said. "I don't want to go through another four years of the same tripe."

Oh dear. The short form certificate wasn't enough, so he brought out the long form so you all would quit this silliness, but you don't buy that either because he took too long? What else could he possibly do at this point to silence this circus? I already knew there's nothing Obama or anyone can say or do to prove his citizenship to these clowns, but actually reading their idiocy in print (again... I don't know why I click on links like this that I know will only irritate me) I get a headache from their illogic on top of the ache I already had this morning from a vicious, vicious hangover.

[gonzomax]

What can he possible give to her now? The short form, not good enough. Long form, not good enough. What does she need ,movies of his birth? Then she would say they were faked.
Birthers are really crazy.

[Exapno Mapcase]

There's the sensible party, the silly party, and the birthers or the Raving Looney Party.

Four state legislators are in on this! Four!

[DrumBum]

Originally Posted by Exapno Mapcase

There's the sensible party, the silly party, and the birthers or the Raving Looney Party.

Perhaps this one would work as well.

[davidm]

Originally Posted by gonzomax

What can he possible give to her now? The short form, not good enough. Long form, not good enough. What does she need ,movies of his birth? Then she would say they were faked.
Birthers are really crazy.

Movies of his birth on an Hawaiian beach with Don Ho and Jack Lord in attendance wouldn't convince these people.

[MeanOldLady]

Originally Posted by davidm

Movies of his birth on an Hawaiian beach with Don Ho and Jack Lord in attendance wouldn't convince these people.

But I would totally favorite that on YouTube.

[Exapno Mapcase]

Originally Posted by davidm

Movies of his birth on an Hawaiian beach with Don Ho and Jack Lord in attendance wouldn't convince these people.

Birth Certificate him, Danno.

[davidm]

Originally Posted by Exapno Mapcase

Birth Certificate him, Danno.

It was an espionage plot involving Kenya, Red Chinese spy Wo Fat, and a half-breed baby. Somehow Mcgarret's former military career factors in, an old girlfriend shows up - and dies, and some dirty hippy living in a beach hut doesn't realize that he's involved in something more than just hustling tourists.

[Ogre]

I swear to God it's only a matter of time before one of these lunatics does something violent.

[Kolga]

The ONLY thing that Obama can give these people that will shut them up is a letter that contains the sentence, "I hereby resign as President of the United States."

That's what they really want. I'd be willing to bet all the money in my pockets right now that most of the Birthers don't believe there's a problem with his citizenship. They just don't want him in office, and this is the way they think they can accomplish that task, by getting enough idiots out there to believe there's something fishy.

[mnemosyne]

So part of the argument now is that he may hypothetically be a dual citizen?

Since countries can pretty much decide who is and who isn't a citizen (yeah, I know, it's not that easy) I would love it if random countries would unilaterally declare the next Republican candidate a citizen. Canada, Germany, maybe we can get South Korea in on it (OMG he's a COMMIE!).

I want to watch people's heads explode.

[Frank]

Originally Posted by mnemosyne

So part of the argument now is that he may hypothetically be a dual citizen?

He was, technically, a dual citizen of the U.S. and Kenya as a minor. In order to retain his Kenyan citizenship, he needed to proactively accept it, and affirmatively renounce his U.S. citizenship at the age of majority. He did not do so, and hence does not have Kenyan citizenship.

He was never an Indonesian citizen.

You've got to keep in mind, these people are nuts.

[Tristan]

I'll be waiting anxiously for the RNC to officially denounce the STATE SENATORS who were part and parcel of this particular run of idiocy.

Somehow, I don't think it will happen.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Originally Posted by Tristan

I'll be waiting anxiously for the RNC to officially denounce the STATE SENATORS who were part and parcel of this particular run of idiocy.

Somehow, I don't think it will happen.

Well, it might. The RNC has semi-officially disavowed birtherism.

[Euphonious Polemic]

Originally Posted by Really Not All That Bright

Well, it might. The RNC has semi-officially disavowed birtherism.

Here's the frightening quote from that April 2011 article:

A New York Times/CBS poll conducted April 15-20 found the birther issue resonates with Republican voters. Among the public at large, 25 percent thought President Obama was not a ”natural born citizen.” Among Republicans, 45 percent said they believe he was born outside the US. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percent.

45% of Republicans who replied to that poll were THAT deluded, and THAT stupid, and THAT manipulated.

<shakes head>

[Tristan]

Originally Posted by Really Not All That Bright

Well, it might. The RNC has semi-officially disavowed birtherism.

The RNC has semi-kinda-mostly disavowed it.

It would like to see them censure or whatever the mouth breathing cretins who are walking in retarded lockstep with Orly on this one.

That won't happen.

[MeanOldLady]

Gods, who was it on Meet The Press who wouldn't just say flat out that the birthers were a band of lunatics? Was it T-Paw when he still thought he could be President? It was a prominent GOP member, not someone's no-name alderman from Assfuck, Virginia.

Edit: I got impatient and Googled it myself. It was John Boner. Good job, JB!

[Chronos]

While we're at it, John McCain is a dual citizen of the US and Panama. I find it especially amusing (in a, you know, not-amusing-at-all way) that this whole farce started when the other guy really wasn't born in the US, and technically wasn't even a citizen of the US at the time of his birth under the laws then in place.

[Onomatopoeia]

Originally Posted by Chronos

While we're at it, John McCain is a dual citizen of the US and Panama. I find it especially amusing (in a, you know, not-amusing-at-all way) that this whole farce started when the other guy really wasn't born in the US, and technically wasn't even a citizen of the US at the time of his birth under the laws then in place.

Hmm... Now I wonder why McCain's citizenship wasn't questioned when Obama's was. I know there's a reason, I just can't seem to quite put my finger on it. Wow. Ever have one of those moments when something so obvious is staring you right in the face but you simply don't see it? It's on the tip of my tongue. No, no, don't tell me...

[kenetic]

Originally Posted by Chronos

While we're at it, John McCain is a dual citizen of the US and Panama. I find it especially amusing (in a, you know, not-amusing-at-all way) that this whole farce started when the other guy really wasn't born in the US, and technically wasn't even a citizen of the US at the time of his birth under the laws then in place.

No, he was born in a US territory that is now part of Panama. He might be eligible for Panamanian citizenship, but as far as I know he's never attempted to claim it.

Also, he's white and properly "American" by whatever ineffable standards the birthers hold.

[Onomatopoeia]

Originally Posted by Onomatopoeia

Hmm... Now I wonder why McCain's citizenship wasn't questioned when Obama's was. I know there's a reason, I just can't seem to quite put my finger on it. Wow. Ever have one of those moments when something so obvious is staring you right in the face but you simply don't see it? It's on the tip of my tongue. No, no, don't tell me...

Originally Posted by kenetic

Also, he's white and properly "American" by whatever ineffable standards the birthers hold.

AH! That's it! I knew it would come to me.

[MeanOldLady]

It was, for all of thirty seconds, and then Democrats were like, "Oh, he was born of American parents on a freaking U.S. military base" and let it the fuck go.

[John DiFool]

Every time I hear her name I immediately think of this picture.

[Steve MB]

Originally Posted by John DiFool

Every time I hear her name I immediately think of this picture.

Or this one.

[Rick Kitchen]

There's now the deluded discovery that since there is a Native Hawaiian movement to declare the takeover of the Kingdom of Hawaii illegal, that means that Hawaii is not a legal state, and therefore Obama was not born in the United States. Or else since Obama's mother was only 18 1/2 when she gave birth, she had not been a legal US citizen for the full length of time that is required (in some secret document) to be a native born citizen.

And now Orly Taitz is running for the Senate from California. Because she did so well in the last election when she ran for state Secretary of State and lost the Republican primary to, shudders, a black man!