To all Obama apologists on the economy. You need to go fuck yourself today.

[Saint Cad]

Now going into a third straight year of budget and staff cuts, the district staff at my school district have just been told about massive staff cuts (me included). Why don't you pull some more numbers out of Obama's ass (they're in there next to your head) and explain again about how the economy is recovering and has been for some time. Explain how real unemployment has gone down.

Look, the economy is in the shitter and everyone except you and your President know it. So out of respect for me being laid off for the second summer in a row (ya know, last hired = first fired), I order a 24 hour morotorium on any statement implying the economy has been getting better under your President.

[Ludovic]

Originally Posted by Saint Cad

Now going into a third straight year of budget and staff cuts, the district staff at my school district have just been told about massive staff cuts (me included).

How's that starvey beastie thing working out for ya?

[DianaG]

Couldn'ta happened to a nicer, more rational guy.

[Vinyl Turnip]

I'm sorry to hear you're losing your job, your idiotic OP notwithstanding.

[Saint Cad]

Originally Posted by Vinyl Turnip

I'm sorry to hear you're losing your job, your idiotic OP notwithstanding.

Oh I know it's an idiotic rant. It comes from minutes after finding out about the (job) massacre we're having here I hear on talkradio about out we are in our 3rd year of recovery and unemployment is at its lowest point and it's all thanks to Obama and I'm thinking, "You know, that is exactly the antithesis of what I want to hear right now."

[Kimstu]

Originally Posted by Saint Cad

It comes from minutes after finding out about the (job) massacre we're having here I hear on talkradio about out we are in our 3rd year of recovery and unemployment is at its lowest point and it's all thanks to Obama

Eh, if the same thing were happening with McCain as President the same sources would be saying it's all thanks to McCain.

The fact is, we got hit in 2008 with the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression, and no administration without superhuman powers would be able to turn that around completely in a mere few years. Minor improvements are worth being thankful for, but we're nowhere near out of the woods yet.

Which is why, as you note, a lot of people are still getting hurt in the current state of the economy. Sorry to hear about your job situation, and I hope it works out okay.

[Icarus]

So let me get this straight - Obama issued you a layoff? Wow, that sucks.

[Cat Whisperer]

Originally Posted by Kimstu

Eh, if the same thing were happening with McCain as President the same sources would be saying it's all thanks to McCain.

The fact is, we got hit in 2008 with the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression, and no administration without superhuman powers would be able to turn that around completely in a mere few years. <snip>

When I hear things like the OP here, I am a little boggled - you think President Obama managed to dump the global economy in 2008, before he was even President? Wow, he really IS the most powerful man alive! What, he hasn't completely fixed everything in three years, with the Republicans dragging their feet on every motion? I guess he's completely useless then.

ETA: And I really am sorry that you're about to lose your job, Saint Cad. Regardless of the circumstances or the politics, that sucks.

[Rigamarole]

Cool story, bro.

[Rhythmdvl]

I'm sorry, I have plans for today. Can I go fuck myself tomorrow?


Meanwhile, enjoy a delightful--and insightful--cartoon from the Christian Science Monitor.

Oh, and spot on, Ludovic.

[Philliam]

I realize it's a personal bummer for you and your family. Are you just now getting the message that you happen to be in that segment of the 'Gummint' that Grover Norquist and his ilk want to "drown in the bathtub"? If you happen to be a true conservative you might applaud the efforts to get rid of these over-reaching government programs.

Again, man, I do feel for 'ya - a lot of 'us' are in the same boat, but you do need to remember the old saying:

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

[Vinyl Turnip]

I didn't like hearing "Sugar, Sugar" right after my girlfriend dumped me, but not enough to put a contract hit out on the Archies.

[silenus]

Originally Posted by Vinyl Turnip

I didn't like hearing "Sugar, Sugar" right after my girlfriend dumped me, but not enough to put a contract hit out on the Archies.

That would be a lot more justified than the OP.

[SteveG1]

Originally Posted by Philliam

I realize it's a personal bummer for you and your family. Are you just now getting the message that you happen to be in that segment of the 'Gummint' that Grover Norquist and his ilk want to "drown in the bathtub"? If you happen to be a true conservative you might applaud the efforts to get rid of these over-reaching government programs.

Again, man, I do feel for 'ya - a lot of 'us' are in the same boat, but you do need to remember the old saying:

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

This. I guess it sucks to be the OP.

I don't give a shit. Sometimes a person who is so eager to put other people on a chopping block or toss them out like garbage, gets "a little taste" for himself. I just can't bring myself to feel bad at all.

So how IS that starvy beasty thing working out?

Originally Posted by Truman Burbank

I too am sorry you are losing your job, and that education has been taking such a hit.
I assume you will be eschewing any government handouts as we continue to shrink the public sector?

This too. After all, only liberal scum and lazy bums take money from the nanny state.

[mhendo]

Originally Posted by SteveG1

I don't give a shit. Sometimes a person who is so eager to put other people on a chopping block or toss them out like garbage, gets "a little taste" for himself. I just can't bring myself to feel bad at all.

This seems to be a fairly common sentiment in this thread. Can anyone point me to the discussions you're thinking of? I was generally aware of the OP before this, but i don't recall any specific run-ins with him over issues of the economy and government policy.

[Biggirl]

Originally Posted by mhendo

This seems to be a fairly common sentiment in this thread. Can anyone point me to the discussions you're thinking of? I was generally aware of the OP before this, but i don't recall any specific run-ins with him over issues of the economy and government policy.

It is probably the 'go fuck yourself Obama apologist" that has this thread filled with that sentiment. Especially since Obama has been against killing government jobs during the bad economy and the Republicans are all for cutting taxes and reducing nanny state programs like, oh, education. Some are actively trying to abolish the Department of Education. So yeah, there is a lot of schadenfreude in this thread.

[Biggirl]

Originally Posted by Rhythmdvl

Ah, "umadbro." Great! I think you and magellan01 should have an insult throw-down. It would be pretty comical.

You really are that pissed off because I told you to look it up yourself. I'd apologize but you really should look it up yourself.

Also, my response wasn't only for you. mhendo seemed to think that something other than what was already in this thread was causing all the sarcastic replies. My position was and still is that there need be no other reason for the sarcastic replies than what was already in this thread.

Originally Posted by mhendo

This seems to be a fairly common sentiment in this thread. Can anyone point me to the discussions you're thinking of? I was generally aware of the OP before this, but i don't recall any specific run-ins with him over issues of the economy and government policy.

I am seriously a little flabbergasted at how badly you're taking my search it yourself post.

[otternell]

I'd be curious as to what state the OP is in, and whether their state budget may have been a little teeny tiny factor in the layoffs.

That said, I can appreciate that hearing that news on the radio, right after being shit-canned, would tend to unleash an irrational rant.

[stpauler]

According to this, the unemployment rate is getting better. YMMV.

No presidents or ownerships of presidents mentioned in this post, so the moratorium doesn't apply to me.

[Koxinga]

Originally Posted by stpauler

According to this, the unemployment rate is getting better. YMMV.

No presidents or ownerships of presidents mentioned in this post, so the moratorium doesn't apply to me.

A smaller percentage of the workforce is classified as unemployed because the workforce is shrinking. If you include discouraged workers and those marginally attached to the labor force, the unemployment rate is still close to 10%.

[stpauler]

Originally Posted by Koxinga

A smaller percentage of the workforce is classified as unemployed because the workforce is shrinking. If you include discouraged workers and those marginally attached to the labor force, the unemployment rate is still close to 10%.

I would love to see a comparative graph with those figures included over the last 3 years since you've mentioned it.

[Koxinga]

Here's a pretty good explanation, with graphs; note especially this one.

[Hal Briston]

Losing your job absolutely sucks.

Not realizing that the more localized the government base, the more it affects your life, sucks even more.

If you're looking to lay blame, here's a handy primer:
Your local school board > your state's education department >>>>>>> Obama

[JKellyMap]

(huff huff HUFF HUFF HUUUUFFHH contented sigh)

That felt great! Thanks for giving me the green light.

[Cheesesteak]

Originally Posted by Koxinga

A smaller percentage of the workforce is classified as unemployed because the workforce is shrinking. If you include discouraged workers and those marginally attached to the labor force, the unemployment rate is still close to 10%.

Actually, if you look at the U6, which includes discouraged and marginally employed, it's 14.5%, the lowest since Obama took office, down a half point since January, and down 2.5 points from its high of 17%. That rate is usually 7-8% when things are good, and jumped from 9 to 15% during Bush's last year.

Good? No, but it's moving in the right direction.

[waterj2]

Originally Posted by Cheesesteak

Actually, if you look at the U6, which includes discouraged and marginally employed, it's 14.5%, the lowest since Obama took office, down a half point since January, and down 2.5 points from its high of 17%. That rate is usually 7-8% when things are good, and jumped from 9 to 15% during Bush's last year.

Good? No, but it's moving in the right direction.

Here's a chart showing all measures of employment from U3 (the one generally referred to as “the unemployment rate”) to U6 declining slowly in tandem.

[The Great Sun Jester]

Schools get their funds cut even when times are good. Not sure how having a hockey mom and a zombie puppet in charge would have helped at all.

Life's handed you a shit sandwich. Direct your anger appropriately, but stop undercutting someone who, at worst, has nothing to do with it.

[Ludovic]

Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

Schools get their funds cut even when times are good. Not sure how having a hockey mom and a zombie puppet in charge would have helped at all.

They would have been a whole lot better for public sector employment, that's for sure. Burn, village, and all that.

[black rabbit]

How are those tax cuts working out for you now, you dumb motherscratcher?

[The Great Sun Jester]

Originally Posted by Ludovic

They would have been a whole lot better for public sector employment, that's for sure. Burn, village, and all that.

If you're implying the US could make bank burning more villages I would remind you of the failure of that policy for 9+ years now. We actually spend more to burn villages than we ever reap from the profits of doing so.


ETA: The Archies so have it coming to them. No jury in the land....

[suranyi]

I feel sorry for your situation and all, but anecdotes are just that. I just started a new job last week.

[Biffy the Elephant Shrew]

Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

ETA: The Archies so have it coming to them. No jury in the land....

What's the penalty for Reggiecide?

[Fear Itself]

I support President Obama, the country is better off with him in the White House, and with any luck, the entire Republican Party will implode this November so we can finish what needs to be done to repair the damage caused by two terms of conservative misadventure. Tax cuts don't create jobs.

I hope that makes you feel better. OK, not really.

[elucidator]

...but not enough to put a contract hit out on the Archies.

You didn't have the money. You aren't fooling anybody here, Vinny. Bloodthirsty motherscratcher.

[Frylock]

Originally Posted by Saint Cad

Now going into a third straight year of budget and staff cuts, the district staff at my school district have just been told about massive staff cuts (me included). Why don't you pull some more numbers out of Obama's ass (they're in there next to your head) and explain again about how the economy is recovering and has been for some time. Explain how real unemployment has gone down.

Look, the economy is in the shitter and everyone except you and your President know it. So out of respect for me being laid off for the second summer in a row (ya know, last hired = first fired), I order a 24 hour morotorium on any statement implying the economy has been getting better under your President.

A. No individual's personal experience is a reliable indicator of the state of the economy.

B. As a conservative, you should not be complaining about what other people did to put you in your current job situation, you should be affirming that this is a mere temporary setback, a learning opportunity, and that with hard work and pluck, you will be on your feet in a couple of weeks.

[Truman Burbank]

I too am sorry you are losing your job, and that education has been taking such a hit.
I assume you will be eschewing any government handouts as we continue to shrink the public sector?

[silenus]

It's sad that Saint Cad lost his job. It's a bloody miracle that his school board actually made cuts where they should be made, ie at the District level rather than the site level. The teachers and aides are usually the ones who get it in the neck, not bureaucrats in Admin.

[Sister Vigilante]

I'm sorry about your job loss. But anecdotal evidence doesn't cut it. Our entire company got raises last year and my husband (who works for the local school district) is finally getting a raise for the first time in 4 years. We're also hiring for a temp position, a full time position, and (if Mr. Worker's Comp doesn't ever come back), another full time position.

It sucks to not have a job and be on unemployment. Blaming Obama for it is silly, since he just got into office when the whole thing tanked. He didn't cause that. And it's hard to try to fix anything when the opposite party is stonewalling him at every turn, just for the fuck of it.

[elucidator]

Oh my God! Reggie is Mitt Romney!

[Lamar Mundane]

It sucks getting drowned in the bathtub.

[Chefguy]

The feds fund your schools? How did you manage that, and how do we get on board?

[Smapti]

This last weekend I got a raise and made the last payment on my car.

Thanks, Obama!

[Gatopescado]

Originally Posted by Smapti

This last weekend I got a raise and made the last payment on my car.

Thanks, Obama!

I pay cash for my cars.

Thanks, Bush!

[DiosaBellissima]

Originally Posted by Chefguy

The feds fund your schools? How did you manage that, and how do we get on board?

Uh, yeah. This.

[FoieGrasIsEvil]

Originally Posted by Lamar Mundane

It sucks getting drowned in the bathtub.

I will always love you.

[Lobohan]

This thread is so multi-faceted. We've got Cad biting the hand that feeds him, Magellan screaming at clouds and taking liberal dictionaries to task, and SFP stumbling in and incoherently shitting all over himself.

Cad, I hope you see your way through this. Although, it would be nice if you learned that the people you vote for caused it. And because of the misinformation you believe is true, you have been thanking them for it.

[cosmosdan]

If it makes you feel any better, I fuck myself almost every day

[The Second Stone]

I'm sorry you are losing your job. But let's face it, it is a job sucking at the government teat, and if I am not mistaken, you are all in favor of reducing the number of such jobs. I'd be a little more impressed if you were a job creator rather than a burden to the rest of us.

[YogSosoth]

Without Obama, you probably wouldn't have had a job to lose in the first place. I'm sorry for your loss, but you're blaming the wrong person

[Rhythmdvl]

Originally Posted by Biggirl

Why would anyone need to look into posting history when the poster has invited all Obama economy apologists to go fuck themselves in this very thread?

Curiosity, really. I too have seen the name enough to recognize a Doper, but don't think I've read anything egregious (prior to the OP).

There are a handful of RW posters here who you know are right wing, but they'd never blather on like this. Then there are some RW posters who do so much similar blathering that you can almost guess the poster by the OP. This one is in the middle.

So without having to prove anything other than curiosity, has Cad spouted Norquistesque lines or libertarian-like LaRuchian rantings?