Ambivalid: I know a crackhead, so I'm professor of crackology now

[SecretaryofEvil]

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=650198

Ambivalid is so annoying and obstinately ignorant in this thread that I figured I'd bring it straight to the pit before I got another one of those mod notes for calling a moron a moron.

Hey guys did you know that crack is bad? I didn't, but thankfully Ambivalid channeled his inner 80s guy and started a thread to warn us.

Apparently, one of Ambivalid's buddies is addicted to crack and is a dipshit. Therefore, every single person in the world who has a crack problem must act in the exact same way. And we have to be informed in lurid detail just how disgusting and depraved someone who is a prostitute and also likes crack is. Any one who has experience dealing with crack addicts from their work in the legal or medical fields doesn't know as much about drug addiction as Ambivalid. Any one who has anecdotal experience with crack users, well their experiences with crackheads must be wrong, because all crackheads have to act exactly the way Ambivalid thinks they do.

It's just galling to me that this idiot comes in here and starts spouting off fun facts from one of those pamphlets they had about drugs in the nurses office in high school then shakes his head with pity at the poor fools who aren't as well versed in the topic as he is. It's made worse by how many dopers can't wait to chime in with "Crack is destroying America's youth! My friend's cousin, he was addicted to crack and he stole his mom's car! Crackheads are inhuman monsters and the police need higher caliber pistols to stop them!"

What kind of sheltered fucking bizarro world does Ambivalid live in that he's just now realizing that people who smoke a bunch of crack are probably not people you want to hang out with? One where everybody secretly hates people in wheelchairs but having personal experience with a crack addict is as rare as having personal experience with a mafia boss apparently.

I'm not trying to challenge Ambivalid's street cred, but he seems to know jack shit about drugs. I'm not trying to ruin the sensationalists' day though, so as a concession here's a link to New Jack City, the best anti-crack movie ever!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgdIP6ZDHnM

Be sure to look out for a young Chris Rock as Pookie the crackhead. Even this stereotypical crackhead character isn't half as bad as Ambivalid insists all crack abusers are.

[Living Well Is Best Revenge]

I agree with this pitting. His know-it-all-crack-attitude makes no sense. Sure some are depraved monsters, but so are plenty of non-crack addicts.

And the whole thing about crack being SO MUCH WORSE than any other drug is stupid. Meth addiction is no picnic either. No is the old garden variety alcoholism case.

Like I said in the other thread, I think the OP was just shocked at what he learned about his friend.

[Dave Hartwick]

I was going to say that the guy deserves censure just for the RANDOM SCARE CAPS but then you did it too. TRUST ME RANDOM SCARE CAPS ARE AS BAD AS CRACK. I KNOW.

[SecretaryofEvil]

Originally Posted by Dave Hartwick

I was going to say that the guy deserves censure just for the RANDOM SCARE CAPS but then you did it too. TRUST ME RANDOM SCARE CAPS ARE AS BAD AS CRACK. I KNOW.

I'll repeat myself: You simply were unaware of the true depths of depravity that scare caps are capable of. They are extremely adept at hiding things and deceiving.

[Alice The Goon]

You could have just said your piece in that thread- it's not something that deserves it's own pitting. Do you just not like him and were waiting for him to say something the least bit annoying, so that you could jump and pit him for it? That's the impression this thread gives me.

[living_in_hell]

Originally Posted by Alice The Goon

You could have just said your piece in that thread- it's not something that deserves it's own pitting. Do you just not like him and were waiting for him to say something the least bit annoying, so that you could jump and pit him for it? That's the impression this thread gives me.

That's kind of how I felt about your comment in the "make a bad forumite" (or whatever) thread.

[SecretaryofEvil]

Originally Posted by Alice The Goon

You could have just said your piece in that thread- it's not something that deserves it's own pitting. Do you just not like him and were waiting for him to say something the least bit annoying, so that you could jump and pit him for it? That's the impression this thread gives me.

Lol oh you're the one who called crack addicts subhuman and claimed that "It's pretty commonly known that crack can be devastatingly addicting with just one use"

(Laughs derisively)

[Bob Ducca]

FTB

[MsWhatsit]

Yeah, this thread feels a bit like, "Ambivalid is back on the boards and that pisses me off." Which, if so, you should have just titled it that instead, because this thread is weaksauce.

[SecretaryofEvil]

Ambivalid and I have almost no shared posting history. The only thing I know about him is that he is very sensitive about his handicap, which is I suppose is understandable.

I pitted him for this thread specifically, because his attitude in it was driving me nuts. I didn't feel like engaging him in a serious debate about the habits of people addicted to crack cocaine. I felt like disparaging him for deciding that he was immediately an expert on this subject, and that everyone else in the world was just too naive to grasp what he was saying.

[living_in_hell]

"I felt like disparaging him for deciding that he was immediately an expert on this subject, and that everyone else in the world was just too naive to grasp what he was saying."

[living_in_hell]

But...but...what about the starving birds?!

On behalf of the idiots who posted in that thread, I give this pitting a "WH!"

[Giraffe]

Ambivalid needed to pipe down (see what I did there?) and let the real experts talk: Alice the Goon and living_in_hell. I thought they were the real voices of reason in that thread.

[Inner Stickler]

Originally Posted by Giraffe

Ambivalid needed to pipe down (see what I did there?) and let the real experts talk: Alice the Goon and living_in_hell. I thought they were the real voices of reason in that thread.

Oh, you and your deadpan humor.

I found the thread very enlightening. Not ever having known any crackheads, if I do ever meet one, I'll be sure to point and scream "Unclean! Unclean!"

Have there been any movements to relocate crackheads underground? You know, because they're sub-human?

[living_in_hell]

Originally Posted by Inner Stickler

Oh, you and your deadpan humor.

I found the thread very enlightening. Not ever having known any crackheads, if I do ever meet one, I'll be sure to point and scream "Unclean! Unclean!"

Have there been any movements to relocate crackheads underground? You know, because they're sub-human?

Um duh--how are they going to steal VCRs and perform sex acts if they're underground?

WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN???!!!

[Giraffe]

Originally Posted by Inner Stickler

I found the thread very enlightening. Not ever having known any crackheads, if I do ever meet one, I'll be sure to point and scream "Unclean! Unclean!"

Ah, you're an adherent to the Alice school of thought, I see. Me, I'm more of a living_in_hell_ist. Just because the last ten crack addicts I let stay in my guest room stole my phone, wallet and laptop doesn't mean I'm entitled to make generalizations about an entire group of people. Everybody is special and unique in their own special and unique way.

[Freudian Slit]

Originally Posted by Giraffe

Ah, you're an adherent to the Alice school of thought, I see. Me, I'm more of a living_in_hell_ist. Just because the last ten crack addicts I let stay in my guest room stole my phone, wallet and laptop doesn't mean I'm entitled to make generalizations about an entire group of people. Everybody is special and unique in their own special and unique way.

We have much to learn from them.

[StusBlues]

Originally Posted by Inner Stickler

Oh, you and your deadpan humor.

I found the thread very enlightening.

As did I. Remind me to stay the fuck out of Tuscon.

[Giraffe]

::sighs contentedly::

[Loach]

Crack is wack.

[DianaG]

Well not technically, since I'm sure she believed it. Her astrologer told her so.

[DianaG]

This pitting is laughably stupid. You can get hooked after one use so stop with the ignorant statements ok?

Your citation is laughably stupid. Seriously, that's some craptastic propaganda right there.

Hell, right off the top, they claim that drug abuse is the third leading cause of death in the US. The CDC begs to differ.

[hamwater]

I'm going to agree with the OP. Knowing one crackhead doesn't make Ambivalid Crackopedia. The one thing all crackheads have in common is that they are addicted to crack. They are not all sexually promiscuous (crack does not make everyone universally horny), they are not all prostitutes, they are not all thieves. They are all addicts, and there are similarities, but they are not identical. One friend in trouble does not make you an expert, and you look a bit foolish spouting a lot of this nonsense as if it were fact.

[Labrador Deceiver]

Originally Posted by hamwater

I'm going to agree with the OP. Knowing one crackhead doesn't make Ambivalid Crackopedia. The one thing all crackheads have in common is that they are addicted to crack. They are not all sexually promiscuous (crack does not make everyone universally horny), they are not all prostitutes, they are not all thieves. They are all addicts, and there are similarities, but they are not identical. One friend in trouble does not make you an expert, and you look a bit foolish spouting a lot of this nonsense as if it were fact.

By "friend", he means "guy I'm not very close to, but have known for 3 years".

[Munch]

Originally Posted by hamwater

Ambivalid Crackopedia

This board has come up with a lot of shitty band names, but that one's the worst.

[Iggins]

Originally Posted by Munch

Ambivalid Crackopedia

This board has come up with a lot of shitty band names, but that one's the worst.

I nomintate this as "post of the day." Well done.

[Ambivalid]

Originally Posted by hamwater

I'm going to agree with the OP. Knowing one crackhead doesn't make Ambivalid Crackopedia. The one thing all crackheads have in common is that they are addicted to crack. They are not all sexually promiscuous (crack does not make everyone universally horny), they are not all prostitutes, they are not all thieves. They are all addicts, and there are similarities, but they are not identical. One friend in trouble does not make you an expert, and you look a bit foolish spouting a lot of this nonsense as if it were fact.

I am not basing the things that I say on my experiences with this (former) friend. At least not on the experiences alone. When I discovered that she was indeed a crackhead, I found myself submerged in research on the drug and it's addiction and subsequent lifestyle that follows. This is information that is out there, if you want to find it. The link I gave in my OP is a great source of much information on the matter. Crack addicts are all* sexually promiscuous, they are all horny and they are all thieves and prostitutes. They might not resort to such drastic behavior earlier on in their addictions because they have someone taking care of them-someone they are conning or manipulating. Or they may be clinging to a job. But they will resort to these things eventually. The sex/crack connection is undeniable and inseparable.


*There are always exceptions to the rule but this is the rule.

[SecretaryofEvil]

Originally Posted by Ambivalid

I am not basing the things that I say on my experiences with this (former) friend. At least not on the experiences alone. When I discovered that she was indeed a crackhead, I found myself submerged in research on the drug and it's addiction and subsequent lifestyle that follows. This is information that is out there, if you want to find it. The link I gave in my OP is a great source of much information on the matter. Crack addicts are all* sexually promiscuous, they are all horny and they are all thieves and prostitutes. They might not resort to such drastic behavior earlier on in their addictions because they have someone taking care of them-someone they are conning or manipulating. Or they may be clinging to a job. But they will resort to these things eventually. The sex/crack connection is undeniable and inseparable.


*There are always exceptions to the rule but this is the rule.

Oh that's too funny. While I was writing my last post I went to all the effort of opening the other thread to get a retarded quote. If I just would have refreshed this thread, I would have seen that Ambivalid already provided me with one.

[hamwater]

Originally Posted by Ambivalid

I am not basing the things that I say on my experiences with this (former) friend. At least not on the experiences alone. When I discovered that she was indeed a crackhead, I found myself submerged in research on the drug and it's addiction and subsequent lifestyle that follows. This is information that is out there, if you want to find it. The link I gave in my OP is a great source of much information on the matter. Crack addicts are all* sexually promiscuous, they are all horny and they are all thieves and prostitutes. They might not resort to such drastic behavior earlier on in their addictions because they have someone taking care of them-someone they are conning or manipulating. Or they may be clinging to a job. But they will resort to these things eventually. The sex/crack connection is undeniable and inseparable.


*There are always exceptions to the rule but this is the rule.

No. They. Are. Not.

You can believe what you read on the internet, but I have seen it in person. Crack smoking =\= orgy. People with jobs buy drugs with money, not with sex and not by pawning Grandma's silver. Yes, some do steal, and prostitute themselves...Not all do. Just because you believe that all crackheads are sexually promiscuous does not make it true.

They will not all resort to this eventually. Some alcoholics will quit drinking before they drive drunk and kill someone. Some crackheads will recover before they become thieves and hookers.

And crack does not necessarily = horny. I know you read it on the internet and you "researched" it so it must be true. Continue to believe it if the sensationalism gets you going, but it's not true.

[Section Maker:Jupe]

.....crack heads only want one thing, more crack



everything else is just a means to get that .... they are also a really boring group of fiends, as fiends go.

[Green Cymbeline]

Originally Posted by Ambivalid

Crack addicts are all* sexually promiscuous, they are all horny and they are all thieves and prostitutes. ... The sex/crack

Can you link to a specific scientific study or evidence that shows the vast majority of crack users are hornier than the average person and that they are all prostitutes? It very well may be true, I'd just like to see a cite.

[PlainJain]

Originally Posted by Ambivalid

I am not basing the things that I say on my experiences with this (former) friend. At least not on the experiences alone. When I discovered that she was indeed a crackhead, I found myself submerged in research on the drug and it's addiction and subsequent lifestyle that follows. This is information that is out there, if you want to find it. The link I gave in my OP is a great source of much information on the matter. Crack addicts are all* sexually promiscuous, they are all horny and they are all thieves and prostitutes. They might not resort to such drastic behavior earlier on in their addictions because they have someone taking care of them-someone they are conning or manipulating. Or they may be clinging to a job. But they will resort to these things eventually. The sex/crack connection is undeniable and inseparable.

Wow, way to justify this pitting.

[grude]

The whole board is filled with people who refuse to believe there are shit loads of functional addicts out there for every substance, nope they are all teetering on the precipice at any moment they could turn to sucking a strangers cock for five dolla'.

Go over to a board like opiophile and marvel at the business owners and parents going about their daily lives while GASP addicted! And if an addict isn't your typical stereotype well no true scotsman you know?

[Meatros]

Originally Posted by Ambivalid

Crack addicts are all* sexually promiscuous, they are all horny and they are all thieves and prostitutes. They might not resort to such drastic behavior earlier on in their addictions because they have someone taking care of them-someone they are conning or manipulating. Or they may be clinging to a job. But they will resort to these things eventually. The sex/crack connection is undeniable and inseparable.


*There are always exceptions to the rule but this is the rule.

If there are exceptions then you can't say all, now can you?

That aside, where are the studies that suggest that most/almost all crack heads are sexually promiscuous?

I have no dog in this fight - I only knew one person who did crack (that I remember) and he wasn't addicted to it. I also haven't researched the matter, so please present your studies so that I may peruse them.

[Loach]

Originally Posted by Nancarrow

That bolded bit doesn't mean a thing. Bloody hell, I would have sex with anybody. That isn't quite the issue.

Me too. I'm horny right now. Am I a crackhead?

[Dag Otto]

Originally Posted by Loach

Me too. I'm horny right now. Am I a crackhead?

Depends on your price.

[Meatros]

Originally Posted by Meatros

If there are exceptions then you can't say all, now can you?

That aside, where are the studies that suggest that most/almost all crack heads are sexually promiscuous?

I have no dog in this fight - I only knew one person who did crack (that I remember) and he wasn't addicted to it. I also haven't researched the matter, so please present your studies so that I may peruse them.

Can you respond to this, particularly what's bolded?

[Ambivalid]

Originally Posted by Meatros

Can you respond to this, particularly what's bolded?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...Bq0nzMHBrLay2w
Crack and cocaine use among adults has been associated with co-occurring psychiatric disorders as well as other drug use and unprotected sex.

[kayaker]

I'll have you know I put down my pipe to read this thread. Fuck.

[SecretaryofEvil]

Originally Posted by kayaker

I'll have you know I put down my pipe to read this thread. Fuck.

What are you doing reading the Dope while smoking crack? Shouldn't you be having sex? To quote professor Ambivalid's OP:

"Crack and sex are inseparable. Not only is sex a primary payment method for many addicts, but sex itself is the main activity taking place when users smoke. The high makes them hypersexual and horny; they lose all inhibitions and will have sex with anybody."

So my apologies. Presumably you had to stop smoking crack and stop having sex to read this; sorry I killed your buzz.

[Nancarrow]

Originally Posted by SecretaryofEvil

What are you doing reading the Dope while smoking crack? Shouldn't you be having sex? To quote professor Ambivalid's OP:

"Crack and sex are inseparable. Not only is sex a primary payment method for many addicts, but sex itself is the main activity taking place when users smoke. The high makes them hypersexual and horny; they lose all inhibitions and will have sex with anybody."

So my apologies. Presumably you had to stop smoking crack and stop having sex to read this; sorry I killed your buzz.

That bolded bit doesn't mean a thing. Bloody hell, I would have sex with anybody. That isn't quite the issue.

[kayaker]

Originally Posted by SecretaryofEvil

What are you doing reading the Dope while smoking crack? Shouldn't you be having sex?

Hmmm. I have made a note of this. Please subscribe me to your newletter.

[DianaG]

Amateur.

[Autolycus]

I wonder how many drugs one could do at the same time before they exploded.

[Qadgop the Mercotan]

Originally Posted by Autolycus

I wonder how many drugs one could do at the same time before they exploded.

I had one guy who did 42 different discrete drugs all at about the same time, and he did not explode.

He sure leaked a lot, though.

Seriously folks, I've been treating addicts and alcoholics for over 30 years. I've even been clean and sober myself for well over 21 years. And my take-home message on the disease of addiction is that it really, really sucks. And it can take otherwise lovely people and turn them into seeming monsters.

Fortunately, many do recover. But not enough.

[living_in_hell]

Originally Posted by Qadgop the Mercotan

I had one guy who did 42 different discrete drugs all at about the same time, and he did not explode.

He sure leaked a lot, though.

Seriously folks, I've been treating addicts and alcoholics for over 30 years. I've even been clean and sober myself for well over 21 years. And my take-home message on the disease of addiction is that it really, really sucks. And it can take otherwise lovely people and turn them into seeming monsters.

Fortunately, many do recover. But not enough.

Can you kindly confirm that use, abuse, and dependence are not the same?

[Qadgop the Mercotan]

Originally Posted by living_in_hell

Can you kindly confirm that use, abuse, and dependence are not the same?

Yep.

[SecretaryofEvil]

What did Secretsmile36 get banned for?

[Giraffe]

Originally Posted by SecretaryofEvil

What did Secretsmile36 get banned for?

Being a sock. If you have to ask, it's for being a sock. (Although they should have been banned for bumping that dentist thread to repeat a stale Seinfeld joke.)

[SecretaryofEvil]

Originally Posted by Giraffe

Being a sock. If you have to ask, it's for being a sock. (Although they should have been banned for bumping that dentist thread to repeat a stale Seinfeld joke.)

I suspected something like that. Is there anyway of telling who's sock it was?