Story Memes or Themes You Just Can't Stand

[well he's back]

-story memes or themes you absolutely hate -
Two come to mind immediately -
- Chosen child must save the world - & there is absolutely nothing special about this kid other than the author tells you he or she is special. Harry Potter & a million imitators, I'm thinking of you. Can't, I don't know, a grown adult fill this role sometimes? With actual special qualities?
- life (or human civilization) couldn't possibly have happend without outside [alien] assistance. Throws almost all of know science out with the bathwater. turned me against 2001, and possibly new Prometheus movie too.

Would someone else like to vent?

[Jophiel]

Fractured fairy tales.

"Haha... actually Rumpelstiltskin is the hero and the miller's daughter is the villain! How original am I to do THAT??"

[Thudlow Boink]

Originally Posted by Jophiel

Fractured fairy tales.

"Haha... actually Rumpelstiltskin is the hero and the miller's daughter is the villain! How original am I to do THAT??"

"Fractured" superhero stories, in which the superhero is an incompetent bumbler, or in some other way a parody of traditional superheroes. It's been done to death.

[Mr. Excellent]

Originally Posted by well he's back

- life (or human civilization) couldn't possibly have happend without outside [alien] assistance. Throws almost all of know science out with the bathwater. turned me against 2001, and possibly new Prometheus movie too.

Would someone else like to vent?

In fairness to 2001, I never got the sense that civilization *couldn't* develop absent outside intervention - after all, where did the monolith aliens come from? It just so happens that human civilization in the 2001-verse was kick-started by aliens. Fair 'nuff.

Personally, I can't stand "heartwarming" stories where bitter, broken atheists learn to believe in magical sky fairies and be happy. The not-really-subtext of such stories - that belief in magic is a prerequisite for happiness and decency - really grates.

[billfish678]

Things were kids do amazing things the adults can't even do. Particularly if its not just one great moment (with it possibly being mostly luck) or a moment where the kid "thinks outside the box" and saves the day somehow but where the kid is just amazing all around the whole time. Makes for a great young kiddy movie. An adult one not so much. My examples would be some of the Star Wars Episodes.

[AuntiePam]

I'm a bit tired of "adults haunted by a childhood memory", especially when the memory turns out to be something fairly ordinary. Seems that there a lot of these lately.

[Annie-Xmas]

Fat slob married to gorgeous hottie. The basis of about a million sitcoms.

[Sleeps With Butterflies]

Originally Posted by Annie-Xmas

Fat slob married to gorgeous hottie. The basis of about a million sitcoms.

This is a big one for me. Utter ridiculousness

[Max the Immortal]

Voodoo pretty much always works, regardless of how realistic the setting usually is.

[Lord Mondegreen]

Originally Posted by AuntiePam

I'm a bit tired of "adults haunted by a childhood memory", especially when the memory turns out to be something fairly ordinary. Seems that there a lot of these lately.

Rosebud the sled is recent?

[JohnT]

Reality shows dealing with rednecks, no matter what they do for a living.

Yes, I know, not exactly a "story" or a "theme". But I still can't stand those shows.

[Deegeea]

Villains who turned evil because of childhood trauma. (Especially when it's used to imply that anyone who had a childhood trauma is suspect) Irritates me to the point of exasperation. I usually stop reading/watching and dispose of the material if possible.

Parents whose children are threatened. (Especially when they are forced to do something horrible by the threat to the child) Upsets me with anxiety and dismay. I stop watching or reading or skip past this part and continue on afterward.

A single character who every other character is in love with. (Especially when the object-of-affection character is portrayed as the most "ordinary" one) Makes me roll my eyes, but doesn't usually interfere with my overall enjoyment - I can put up with this, but think it's bringing down the overall quality of the work every time.

For the ones above, especially the religious themed of the born to be savior and finding religion and creationism ones mentioned by original post and Mr. Excellent, I actually rather enjoy those most of the time.

[Anaamika]

Originally Posted by Deegeea

Parents whose children are threatened. (Especially when they are forced to do something horrible by the threat to the child) Upsets me with anxiety and dismay. I stop watching or reading or skip past this part and continue on afterward.

Parents whose children are threatened or only perceived to be threatened and they do crazy or insane things in response. I don't know if this hysterical response is truth or is caused to be worse by media. I mean, if your child is in danger, it really isn't helpful to go crazy, not listening to the people that can help you, and hurting everyone around you in the process of trying to save your kid. Half the time the hysteria doesn't even help.

I never watch these and skip these parts.

[TonySinclair]

Sandra Bullock can't get a date, and has a miserable life as a bus driver or whatever.

[Imago]

Originally Posted by Anaamika

Parents whose children are threatened or only perceived to be threatened and they do crazy or insane things in response. I don't know if this hysterical response is truth or is caused to be worse by media. I mean, if your child is in danger, it really isn't helpful to go crazy, not listening to the people that can help you, and hurting everyone around you in the process of trying to save your kid. Half the time the hysteria doesn't even help.

I never watch these and skip these parts.

I was warned by working paramedics before applying to paramedic school that no matter what condition the kid is in, if you're answering a call about a kid, the parent(s) will always be the ones making your job difficult.

Probably because they saw this shit on TV and now they think it's okay.

[MyFactCheckBounced]

Originally Posted by Deegeea

Villains who turned evil because of childhood trauma. (Especially when it's used to imply that anyone who had a childhood trauma is suspect) Irritates me to the point of exasperation. I usually stop reading/watching and dispose of the material if possible.

Variation on the theme - the disfigured villain. You know, because being unsightly makes you pathological. The Joker comes to mind in the modern version. Richard III is a fine example from the early days of what you and I can read of English without a PhD.

[The Devil's Grandmother]

Having a baby is the only way to make your life happy and fufilled. 1987 was a very bad year for movies with that theme, Three Men and a Baby, Overboard and Baby Boom.

[Ludovic]

Bullies who illogically never get their comeuppance for the sake of a continuing go-to plot device.

Similarly, supernatural secrets that no one else ever believes no matter how much evidence they get, making the person holding the secret look like a fool time and time again, for the sake of a continuing plot device.

[Kobal2]

Originally Posted by Ludovic

Similarly, supernatural secrets that no one else ever believes no matter how much evidence they get, making the person holding the secret look like a fool time and time again, for the sake of a continuing plot device.

Come on Mulder. We've been over this. It's swamp gas/a genetic mutation/a banal case of town-wide collective hallucination. Nothing to see here, the supernatural doesn't exist.

My own is historical conspiracy theories, you know, the ones that posit shadowy organizations that organized EVERYTHING, had an instrumental role in EVERY HISTORICAL EVENT and involved EVERY FAMOUS PERSON YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD OF, you shallow reference pool you. It was amusing in Foucault's Pendulum because it was intentionally done tongue in cheek, but since that bloody Da Vinci Code you can't swing a dead cat without hitting Leonardo da Vinci the Rosicrucian Illuminati Time Traveller from Majestic 12.
And the Templars are always in on it, too. Why ?! Why is it never the Roman mystery cults or the Tibetan lamas wot done it ?

[Maserschmidt]

Originally Posted by Kobal2

And the Templars are always in on it, too. Why ?! Why is it never the Roman mystery cults or the Tibetan lamas wot done it ?

<begins furiously scribbling notes>

[Der Trihs]

Originally Posted by Ludovic

Similarly, supernatural secrets that no one else ever believes no matter how much evidence they get, making the person holding the secret look like a fool time and time again, for the sake of a continuing plot device.

Which makes me think of two related ones; the idea that the supernatural is in plain sight but ignored because "people don't believe in that sort of thing these days", which is simply wrong. And the idea that scientists are ignoring magic or psychic powers or vampires or whatever because it's "against scientific dogma", which is the opposite of how scientists tend to act when confronted with something that overturns accepted science to that extent; in reality the supernatural person or critter would have to beat off Nobel-hungry scientists with a stick.

[suranyi]

Plots involving superheroes, vampires, or zombies. Which eliminates about 80% of all movies and TV shows nowadays, I think.

[An Arky]

Originally Posted by suranyi

Plots involving superheroes, vampires, or zombies. Which eliminates about 80% of all movies and TV shows nowadays, I think.

+ a bajillion. Fuck vampires, fuck zombies and fuck everyone who creates demand for that idiotic shite

[Kobal2]

Originally Posted by An Arky

+ a bajillion. Fuck vampires, fuck zombies and fuck everyone who creates demand for that idiotic shite

OI ! Zombies did *not* use to be idiotic shite ! I'll have you know there was a time zombie flick directors were making a point about consumerist society. You had to squint even then, but it was there !

[saje]

Originally Posted by suranyi

Plots involving superheroes, vampires, or zombies. Which eliminates about 80% of all movies and TV shows nowadays, I think.

This in spades.

[Boyo Jim]

Originally Posted by suranyi

Plots involving superheroes, vampires, or zombies. Which eliminates about 80% of all movies and TV shows nowadays, I think.

This. Throw in werewolves and you're up to nearly 100% of all programming.

[GovernmentMan]

Stop using the word meme. Especially in this way. "Story meme"? Are you serious?

[Push You Down]

Originally Posted by GovernmentMan

Stop using the word meme. Especially in this way. "Story meme"? Are you serious?

Quietly applaud you sir.

[Maserschmidt]

Dead kid.

[Bryan Ekers]

"Don't do it! You'll be as bad as he is!" - said to heroes who have guns pointed at the villain who has just killed members of the hero's family, or dozens/hundreds/thousands of innocents, or done something that in any venue with the death penalty, would get fast-tracked to the death penalty, and in any venue without the death penalty, would ignite arguments to bring it back just for this one case.

The hero decides to arrest the villain instead of killing him. Villain immediately takes a wild swing at hero, who ducks, and villain falls over a railing to his death.

[Ethilrist]

Male lead: She can never know how much I love her.
Female lead: He can never know how much I love him.
They find out.

aka every Mercedes Lackey novel ever written.

[Finagle]

I think just about every "meme" can work if it's done well. That said, the one I find most frustrating is the "ancient prophecy"/"ancient puissant mystical weapon" story. If the Ancients had a puissant mystical weapon, why is the evil menace it's designed to fight still in the game?"

An example of which came about in the last season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer when she had no luck killing the Preacher dude until they dug up this ancient Barbie battle axe with mystical powers. It'd be a heckuva lot more interesting to watch the heroes do the research and development and come up with their own new and improved mystical battle axe.

(Actually, Buffy sort of did that too -- one of my favorite scenes was in season 2 when the Judge looked at the missile launcher and asked, "What does that do?")

[Ethilrist]

Originally Posted by Finagle

An example of which came about in the last season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer when she had no luck killing the Preacher dude until they dug up this ancient Barbie battle axe with mystical powers. It'd be a heckuva lot more interesting to watch the heroes do the research and development and come up with their own new and improved mystical battle axe.

Technically, she did that, too... "what happens if we turn the Slayer power up to 11 and make ALL of us slayers?

[BrotherCadfael]

Murderous CEOs. Done to death.

[Son of a Rich]

Any TV show whose title ends in "zilla" or "ista"or "whisperer", or starts with "my big fat" anything.

[tellyworth]

Reluctant hero leads a team of rag-tag misfits to an unlikely victory.

[carlotta]

1)A woman loses a child. This makes her so crazy that she is a danger to other children....she kidnaps them and creepily calls them by her dead child's name, or just kills other children. Hate This.


2)Let's stop and bury the dead. We're on the run, the bad guys are after us, they actually got one of us. Even though we have no food or water and it's hot and oh yeah did I mention the bad guys are after us?.....we totally have to stop and bury our fallen comrade. Fellas, if it's me? Leave me for the wolves! I'm dead! Don't waste your precious fleeing energy digging a hole with the handy shovel somebody thought to bring.

[well he's back]

I thought of another thing ( sorry I called it a meme, offended prior poster) that galls me - the plot line where the birth mother is as good or stated than the adoptive mother. Even tho birth mom hasn't been around for at least a half dozen years . Hate that

[salinqmind]

Any romantic comedy. Any element of a romantic comedy. Babies. Meet-cute. Attractive woman can't find a mate. Big jolly group of friends. Hero persues, is rejected, till she realizes he has been The One all along. They are all the same and they have all been done to death. In spite of being big fat lies encouraging stupid behavior and grossly failed real-life expectations among the demographic audience, there is no stopping the romantic comedy.

[Kobal2]

Originally Posted by salinqmind

Hero pursues, is rejected, till she realizes he has been The One all along.

Personally, I choose to lay the blame for that one entirely at Jane Austen's feet. In my spare time I'm tinkering with a rudimentary time machine, just so I can go back and make her eat the final draft of Emma one page at a time. Maybe get around to killing Hitler at some point too but - priorities.

[Snooooopy]

I like plenty of shows involving a brilliant detective who regularly beats the cops at their own game, but I don't like shows where the police department is filled with incompetent boobs who wouldn't be able to feed or dress themselves if Mr. Wonderful hadn't decided to grace them with his perfect presence.

[Cumberdale]

Stories where the bad guy is pure evil. A lot of Stephen King stories (ones I have read) have this type of villain.

[A Monkey With a Gun]

Originally Posted by Cumberdale

Stories where the bad guy is pure evil. A lot of Stephen King stories (ones I have read) have this type of villain.

I disagree with that one a bit. Humanizing the big bad guy is far worse. Sometimes you need a villain that is just plain evil. The Lord of the Rings would suck if Sauron wasn't the embodiment of pure evil.

Those types of stories, if done well, work. It allows the reader, or audience, to focus on what the heroes have to overcome.

[Der Trihs]

The magic-in-the-real-world stories where the various gods and spirits of myth are real, but it just happens that the Christian god is the One True God, Supreme Being & creator of the universe, while the other gods re just powerful supernaturals.

On a related note, the stories where various gods & prophets are or could have been aliens, psychics, wizards, time travelers or whatever posing as or mistaken as gods - except Jesus or the Christian God. They are the real thing, or were too noble/moral/whatever to have been fakes. Stargate SG1 being a recent example of this. This is mostly a visual media problem I've noticed; I've seen various written works where it turned out that God or Jesus was an alien or such.

[runner pat]

Originally Posted by Der Trihs

The magic-in-the-real-world stories where the various gods and spirits of myth are real, but it just happens that the Christian god is the One True God, Supreme Being & creator of the universe, while the other gods re just powerful supernaturals.

Hijack: The Case of the Toxic Spell Dump by Harry Turtledove, turns this upside down. All deities that have ever been worshiped are real and more or less on an equal footing. Magic is real and replaces many of our technologies with a magical equivalent.

[Ibn Warraq]

Originally Posted by Der Trihs

The magic-in-the-real-world stories where the various gods and spirits of myth are real, but it just happens that the Christian god is the One True God, Supreme Being & creator of the universe, while the other gods re just powerful supernaturals.

What sort of stories have this meme? I've never heard of any.

[Weeping Wyvern]

Originally Posted by A Monkey With a Gun

I disagree with that one a bit. Humanizing the big bad guy is far worse. Sometimes you need a villain that is just plain evil. The Lord of the Rings would suck if Sauron wasn't the embodiment of pure evil.

Those types of stories, if done well, work. It allows the reader, or audience, to focus on what the heroes have to overcome.

Umm... Sauron was definitely NOT "the embodiment of pure evil". If anything, that honour would go to his old master Morgoth/Melkor, the primeval Dark Lord of the First Age. And anyhow we are specifically told in LOTR that Sauron was not evil at the beginning.

[listedmia]

Kids' movies where the mom dies, usually right at the beginning. I'm looking at, I don't know, every Disney movie ever. It makes children who have lost a parent feel like crap.

[msmith537]

Originally Posted by Weeping Wyvern

Umm... Sauron was definitely NOT "the embodiment of pure evil". If anything, that honour would go to his old master Morgoth/Melkor, the primeval Dark Lord of the First Age. And anyhow we are specifically told in LOTR that Sauron was not evil at the beginning.

Uh...yeah. He also didn't have a 'body' in the films.

Originally Posted by senpai71

Attractive woman is made to look unattractive by the simple expedient of having her hair tied back and wearing unfashionable glasses. Although we, the audience know she's hot, no-one else seems to. She lets her hair down and takes off the glasses and her boss (or whoever) says "Mis Jones! You're...you're beautiful"...

What are you talking about? Women look disgusting with glasses and their hair in a bun!

[Jormungandr]

Originally Posted by Snooooopy

I like plenty of shows involving a brilliant detective who regularly beats the cops at their own game, but I don't like shows where the police department is filled with incompetent boobs who wouldn't be able to feed or dress themselves if Mr. Wonderful hadn't decided to grace them with his perfect presence.

I hate the variant where the detectives are competent unless there's some big name guest star whose character makes look like it's their first day on the job. This happens a lot on "Law & Order: Special Victims Unit."