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Old 01-04-2017, 04:41 PM
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Cliches you'd like to see subverted

Character A decides to believe Character B: "Either she was a professional actor, or she was telling the truth."

Just once, for a change, when A makes that sort of statement, I'd like B to turn out to be a professional actor.
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Old 01-04-2017, 04:52 PM
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In sci-fi shows: When main character says "I saw this crazy thing!" the rest of the characters default positions should NOT be: "Oh you're just tired, stressed, or seeing things"

After all the crazy shit you guys have seen in previous episodes, maybe you might want to entertain the idea that said person actually did see said crazy thing!
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Old 01-04-2017, 05:03 PM
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Instead of detectives with awful personal issues, I'd like to have a police character who is happy and well adjusted.
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Old 01-04-2017, 11:50 PM
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Instead of detectives with awful personal issues, I'd like to have a police character who is happy and well adjusted.
Peter Burke, the main FBI agent in White Collar, was portrayed as happily married (to Tiffani Thiessen, no less!) and never, ever had any personal drama.
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Old 01-05-2017, 08:06 AM
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Instead of detectives with awful personal issues, I'd like to have a police character who is happy and well adjusted.
I think there have been a few of those...

DI Barnaby in Midsomer Murders seems fairly well-adjusted - maybe a little stressed at times
Chief Superintendent Foyle in Foyle's War - quiet, honest, well-mannered, scrupulous
Columbo (OK, so he was scruffy and a smoker, but he seems likeable enough)
Miss Marple (Not police, but well-mannered in the later stories at least)
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Old 01-05-2017, 08:16 AM
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Chief Superintendent Foyle in Foyle's War - quiet, honest, well-mannered, scrupulous
I hope this isn't a hijack, but I loved that show. Foyle was such a great character. I love how Michael Kitchen can do so much with a little change of facial expression. When he just kind of moves the corner of his mouth a little and you know he's already got it all figured out. That is just so cool. Even when Foyle was thoroughly pissed off, he was still completely in control.

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Old 02-14-2017, 01:24 PM
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I hope this isn't a hijack, but I loved that show. Foyle was such a great character. I love how Michael Kitchen can do so much with a little change of facial expression. When he just kind of moves the corner of his mouth a little and you know he's already got it all figured out. That is just so cool. Even when Foyle was thoroughly pissed off, he was still completely in control.
Yes, the series was great! Except maybe the last season, which got too damn preachy.
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Old 01-05-2017, 08:31 AM
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Instead of detectives with awful personal issues, I'd like to have a police character who is happy and well adjusted.
Steve Carella of Ed McBain's 87th Precient mysteries comes to mind.

I'd like to see someone who figures out who the killer is and calls the cops, instead of confronting them alone in a deserted place.
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Old 01-05-2017, 01:59 PM
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In a typical action movie foot-chase scene, neither the pursued nor the pursuer is ever even the slighted bit out of breath when it is over. I'd like to see Jason Bourne on his knees puking his guts out after his next big chase.

Similarly, in automobile chase scenes, the ordinary cars crash into each other and walls and barriers and just keep going, like they are all the Batmobile on steroids. I'd like to see some of those cars on Triple-A tow trucks after the carnage is over.
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Old 01-05-2017, 02:32 PM
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I think there have been a few of those...

DI Barnaby in Midsomer Murders seems fairly well-adjusted - maybe a little stressed at times
Chief Superintendent Foyle in Foyle's War - quiet, honest, well-mannered, scrupulous
Columbo (OK, so he was scruffy and a smoker, but he seems likeable enough)
Miss Marple (Not police, but well-mannered in the later stories at least)
I'd add: Faye Kellerman's Police Lieutenant Peter Decker. His personal history is wildly and crazily complicated -- he's Jewish, but he isn't, but after all he is -- "functionally", though, he seems to have a mostly-happy marriage, and to be a loving husband / father / stepfather.
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Old 01-05-2017, 02:41 PM
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In a typical action movie foot-chase scene, neither the pursued nor the pursuer is ever even the slighted bit out of breath when it is over. I'd like to see Jason Bourne on his knees puking his guts out after his next big chase.
An episode of The Rockford Files ended with a long chase through the Hoover Dam. Two guys in dress shoes and jackets running through concrete tubes. At the end, Rockford and the other guy collapse in exhaustion. Rockford can barely gasp out, "Gotcha" before motioning the other guy to sit down.

Terrible quality video here: https://youtu.be/BdxBfrvx-e4?t=3146
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Old 01-05-2017, 04:33 PM
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In a typical action movie foot-chase scene, neither the pursued nor the pursuer is ever even the slighted bit out of breath when it is over. I'd like to see Jason Bourne on his knees puking his guts out after his next big chase.
This happened in Repo Man. The hero ran as hard as he could (chasing a car on foot); he ends up on his knees, puking.
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Old 01-05-2017, 11:19 PM
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In a typical action movie foot-chase scene, neither the pursued nor the pursuer is ever even the slighted bit out of breath when it is over. I'd like to see Jason Bourne on his knees puking his guts out after his next big chase.
In an episode of the detective series Cannon, the morbidly obese title character (played by William Conrad) chases on foot after a bad guy who's hijacked a bus. He manages to catch up before it really gets going and pull himself in through the back door, but once on board he's so whacked out all he can do is collapse onto one of the seats, gasping for breath.
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Old 01-07-2017, 12:28 PM
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Instead of detectives with awful personal issues, I'd like to have a police character who is happy and well adjusted.
While admittedly I never watched her show, I can't exactly see Angela Lansbury's character sitting in a darkened office with the obligatory shadow of Venetian blinds on the wall behind her, with her fedora, triple scotch, three day stubble, and Camel dangling from the corner of her mouth, mordantly pondering the existential dread and ennui of "too many women, too many pills"* thing.

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Old 01-07-2017, 01:25 PM
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While admittedly I never watched her show, I can't exactly see Angela Lansbury's character sitting in a darkened office with the obligatory shadow of Venetian blinds on the wall behind her, with her fedora, triple scotch, three day stubble, and Camel dangling from the corner of her mouth, mordantly pondering the existential dread and ennui of "too many women, too many pills"* thing.

*thank-you, Mr. Johnson
Somebody needs to produce this show now!
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Old 01-13-2017, 07:29 PM
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While admittedly I never watched her show, I can't exactly see Angela Lansbury's character sitting in a darkened office with the obligatory shadow of Venetian blinds on the wall behind her, with her fedora, triple scotch, three day stubble, and Camel dangling from the corner of her mouth, mordantly pondering the existential dread and ennui of "too many women, too many pills"* thing.

*thank-you, Mr. Johnson
So true, as have been others' identifications in this thread of police/detective procedurals that do feature well-adjusted, non-traumatized main characters.

I was more so thinking about franchises like SVU that, especially in the later seasons, emphasize storylines about characters' personal problems and histories that are downright melodramatic and hackneyed. These storylines bore the crap outta me, especially episodes where a criminal nemesis kidnaps one of the detectives (almost always a female detective). Among the many things I loved about The Wire was the resistance to these lazy tropes (true, we did see into the characters' personal lives, but I never found it to be melodramatic).
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Old 01-09-2017, 07:24 PM
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Instead of detectives with awful personal issues, I'd like to have a police character who is happy and well adjusted.
Midsomer Murders.

DCI Tom Barnaby is happily married, has a good relationship with his daughter, has the occasional pint at the pub, and seems to be a decent boss.
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Old 01-09-2017, 08:34 PM
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. . . Villain is caught and taken to jail at the end. He doesn't die in a hail of bullets, he doesn't blow up on top of a building or fall to his death or crash into the ocean or have a semi truck fall on him. He just gets arrested and hauled away. . . . .
And at no time does he confess to the crime. He's going to stick to his guns and fight the charges the whole way. Without bragging that he's going to get off.
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Old 01-05-2017, 07:59 AM
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In sci-fi shows: When main character says "I saw this crazy thing!" the rest of the characters default positions should NOT be: "Oh you're just tired, stressed, or seeing things"

After all the crazy shit you guys have seen in previous episodes, maybe you might want to entertain the idea that said person actually did see said crazy thing!
Already subverted in the fourth-season Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "Remember Me". People on the ship start mysteriously disappearing—as in, being completely erased from existence, including from the memories of other crew members—and Dr. Crusher is the only one who notices. She reports the problem to Captain Picard, who, while skeptical, does not outright disbelieve her, and orders an investigation. He continues to support Crusher's theory even though, to all outward appearances, she is delusional.

This cliché subversion was notable enough that it recently got written up in an feminist essay by Mirah Curzer: Star Trek’s Feminist Statement: Believe Women.
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Old 01-06-2017, 07:40 AM
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In sci-fi shows: When main character says "I saw this crazy thing!" the rest of the characters default positions should NOT be: "Oh you're just tired, stressed, or seeing things"
I just read a book where two FBI agents--one deep in the mystery, one new to it--were chased out of a basement by a bunch of corpses that got to their feet and shambled after them, led by a corpse that had clearly undergone an autopsy (the coroner who'd performed it was on hand and stated she'd removed the brain). Later, the experienced FBI agent mentions ties to voudoun legends, and the rookie is all, "Voodoo, really, you expect me to believe that bullshit?"

Yeah, actually, I do: YOU WERE JUST CHASED BY ZOMBIES. This isn't the time for reflexive cynicism, lady!
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Old 01-04-2017, 05:28 PM
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Beautiful successful woman falls for unattractive, unsuccessful guy because he is nice (defined as doesn't commit major felonies and does minimal damage to her life). This cliche needs to die.
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Old 01-05-2017, 08:04 AM
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Beautiful successful woman falls for unattractive, unsuccessful guy because he is nice (defined as doesn't commit major felonies and does minimal damage to her life). This cliche needs to die.
The Princess and the Tin Box, by James Thurber .
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Old 01-04-2017, 05:46 PM
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Just once, for a change, when A makes that sort of statement, I'd like B to turn out to be a professional actor.
Hey fellas, that lady isn't a Charlize Theron look-alike. That's really Charlize Theron in our police station! No wonder we believed every word she said!
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:40 PM
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Hey fellas, that lady isn't a Charlize Theron look-alike. That's really Charlize Theron in our police station! No wonder we believed every word she said!
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Ed Exley: She just looks like Lana Turner.

Jack Vincennes: She *is* Lana Turner.

Ed Exley: [stunned] What?

Jack Vincennes: She *is* Lana Turner.
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:48 PM
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I would like to see characters not go down the basement or up in the attic when they hear the strange noise during the storm when the power is out.
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Old 01-12-2017, 05:18 AM
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I would like to see characters not go down the basement or up in the attic when they hear the strange noise during the storm when the power is out.
And then have the zombies, aliens, ghosts or monsters sloooowly open the door and walk down the stairs in the dark. That could make for a very tense scene.
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:01 PM
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Just for once, I'd like to see a movie where the big corporation and the people who run it are the good guys. The only examples I can think of off the top of my head are Schindler's List and the made-for-TV movie On Wings of Eagles, both based on true stories.
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Old 01-04-2017, 10:56 PM
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Just for once, I'd like to see a movie where the big corporation and the people who run it are the good guys. The only examples I can think of off the top of my head are Schindler's List and the made-for-TV movie On Wings of Eagles, both based on true stories.
All I've got are Robin Williams' Toys and anything based off the work of Ayn Rand.
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:15 PM
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I'd like to see a murder mystery in which the suspects are a televangelist, a CEO of a giant pharmaceutical company, and a couple of other "go to" villains, plus one guy who just got out of prison after doing 20 years for murder. And the ex-con did it.

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Old 01-04-2017, 06:18 PM
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Character A decides to believe Character B: "Either she was a professional actor, or she was telling the truth."

Just once, for a change, when A makes that sort of statement, I'd like B to turn out to be a professional actor.
Can you give an example of this one, because I don't think I've ever seen this before.
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:30 PM
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I'd like to see a stay at home mother get knocked on the head and wake in an alternate reality where she's a successful childfree career woman; she decides like's the alternate reality better. Also how about a movie where main character has to return to the small town where they grew, and has a bunch of experiences that only serve to remind them why they moved away from their family to the city in the first place? Or one where a devout Christian goes through a major life or family crisis, and when it's all over realizes there is no God and embraces Atheism.
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Old 01-06-2017, 01:32 PM
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I'd like to see a stay at home mother get knocked on the head and wake in an alternate reality where she's a successful childfree career woman; she decides like's the alternate reality better.
Close to this is the Twilight Zone (1985) Season 1 Episode 13 segment "But Can She Type?".
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The miserable secretary Karen Billings comes across a copy machine that transports her to another world. She is shocked to find people respecting her work as a secretary. She briefly returns to our world, only to realize that staying in a miserable world is stupid. The last scene has her being chauffeured to work in the world where secretaries are adored and honored.
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Old 01-06-2017, 02:06 PM
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I'd like to see ... one where a devout Christian goes through a major life or family crisis, and when it's all over realizes there is no God and embraces Atheism.
Close to this is the Twilight Zone (1985) Season 1 Episode 13 segment "The Star" based upon Arthur C. Clarke's The Star (It's odd that two of your plot requests are somewhat examined in the same Twilight Zone episode - da di da da...)
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A group of space explorers from Earth return from an expedition to a remote star system, where they discovered the remnants of an advanced civilization destroyed when its star went supernova. The group's chief astrophysicist, a Jesuit priest, is suffering from a deep crisis of faith, triggered by some undisclosed event during the journey. The final paragraph of "The Star" reveals
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the deepest root of the priest's pain. Determining the exact year of the long-ago supernova and the star system's distance from Earth, he calculated the date the emitted light from the explosion reached Earth, proving that the cataclysm that destroyed the peaceful planet was the same star that heralded the birth of Jesus. The scientist's faith is shaken because of the apparent capriciousness of God:

Oh God, there were so many stars you could have used. What was the need to give these people to the fire, that the symbol of their passing might shine above Bethlehem?
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Old 01-07-2017, 04:54 PM
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The natives are just as petty, violent, mean-spirited, cruel and avaricious as the outsider interlopers, have NO mystical connection but only seemed closer to the soil because they had no choice to survive, and are eager to get themselves some material possesions, technology and money.

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Also how about a movie where main character has to return to the small town where they grew, and has a bunch of experiences that only serve to remind them why they moved away from their family to the city in the first place?
Hell yeah I've argued for these for a while.
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The natives are just as petty, violent, mean-spirited, cruel and avaricious as the outsider interlopers, have NO mystical connection but only seemed closer to the soil because they had no choice to survive, and are eager to get themselves some material possesions, technology and money.

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To some extent, that was Mel Gibson's "Apocalypto." It showed the Indians as brutal savages who pretty much DESERVED to be crushed by the Spanish conquistadors.

As for small towns, well, let's face it, there is a plethora of novels, plays, stories and movies showing small town America as Hell. Everyone from Edgar Lee Masters to Sinclair Lewis to Grace Metalious to Shirley Jackson has told us that small town America is filled with ignorant, bigoted, provincial, hypocritical assholes.

That's at least as popular a meme as "small town Americans are the salt of the Earth."

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Old 01-07-2017, 06:33 PM
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Making a phone call....as soon as the number is dialed, an incoming call is already coming in, but it's fucking impossible to retrieve the incoming call because the phone is being douchey and not letting you answer the fucking thing, and instead just goes into voicemail, essentially tying up your phone for a bit, as you wait there....

......meanwhile a smiling Fernando Rey putters away on his pleasurecraft.....

ETA - another phone thing -

"Ok talk to you later."
"Yeah bye-bye."

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Old 01-04-2017, 06:31 PM
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I want to see a really smart kid from the inner city that also happens to be excellent at sports have to choose a path in life. His parents and teachers convince him to pursue an academic path because that is the road less traveled where he is from. Unfortunately, he gets pushed down the stairs at school by some gang members and suffers a traumatic brain injury that drops his IQ by 40 points. All is not lost though. He is still a great football wide receiver and makes it all the way through college on a football scholarship and then into the NFL. The pro years don't last though and he runs out of money so he moves back to his old neighborhood and starts a gang of his own. Ta-Da!

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Old 01-04-2017, 06:22 PM
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The lone wolf who sees the truth even though no one believes him should turn out to be completely wrong.

The man and woman who dislike each other at the beginning of the story should hate each other the whole way through.

The martial arts expert who finds himself surrounded by thugs should get the crap beaten out of him.

The motorcycle rider who leads the cops on a long chase should take off his helmet at the end and be revealed to be a man.

When the hero learns the location of the person he is trying to rescue, he should call the police rather than drive at high speeds for miles to get there himself.
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The lone wolf who sees the truth even though no one believes him should turn out to be completely wrong.
Done over a century ago by E. C. Bentley in Trent's Last Case.
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Old 01-04-2017, 08:20 PM
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The hero is holding a Mook at gunpoint, but can't have the guy give the alarm. So he hits him on the back of the head to knock him out. And the Mook collapses on the floor...screaming in agony and thrashing like a guy who just got a very painful injury. Later the hero sees the mook in the hospital where he is suffering from severe permanent neurological damage and will spend the rest of his life in an assisted living group home.
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Old 01-05-2017, 01:09 AM
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The hero is holding a Mook at gunpoint, but can't have the guy give the alarm. So he hits him on the back of the head to knock him out. And the Mook collapses on the floor...screaming in agony and thrashing like a guy who just got a very painful injury. Later the hero sees the mook in the hospital where he is suffering from severe permanent neurological damage and will spend the rest of his life in an assisted living group home.
One of the Austin Powers movies showed the effects of nameless mooks deaths on their families.
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Old 01-05-2017, 02:34 AM
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Old 01-05-2017, 03:31 PM
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The hero is holding a Mook at gunpoint, but can't have the guy give the alarm. So he hits him on the back of the head to knock him out. And the Mook collapses on the floor...screaming in agony and thrashing like a guy who just got a very painful injury. Later the hero sees the mook in the hospital where he is suffering from severe permanent neurological damage and will spend the rest of his life in an assisted living group home.
In Morons from Outer Space, the aliens are trying to escape from an army base. One of them sneaks up behind a sentry, and conks him on the head with a blunt instrument. The guard drops to his knees . . . and starts screaming, "Ow! What did you do that for?"

Not a good movie, but that scene made me laugh.
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In Morons from Outer Space, the aliens are trying to escape from an army base. One of them sneaks up behind a sentry, and conks him on the head with a blunt instrument. The guard drops to his knees . . . and starts screaming, "Ow! What did you do that for?"

Not a good movie, but that scene made me laugh.
Was that the only one? I always liked the part where Bernard sneezes in his space suit.

Anyway, that entire movie basically subverts the cliché of superintelligent aliens visiting the Earth. There aren't many stupid aliens in sci-fi—the only other exception that comes to mind is the Pakleds from Star Trek: The Next Generation.

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The motorcycle rider who leads the cops on a long chase should take off his helmet at the end and be revealed to be a man.
A similar scene happened in the short-lived and cancelled mini-series Drive.

It turned to be a senior citizen with a beard under the black helmet with the tinted visor.
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Character A decides to believe Character B: "Either she was a professional actor, or she was telling the truth."

Just once, for a change, when A makes that sort of statement, I'd like B to turn out to be a professional actor.
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Wasn't that essentially the plot of Ex Machina?
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Can you give an example of this one, because I don't think I've ever seen this before.
I can't think of any specific examples off the top of my head, but I've seen it a lot (with varying wording). The viewpoint character states that no one can act that well, and this is a signal from the author that B is really on the up-and-up.

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I don't know, I never saw it.
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I can't think of any specific examples off the top of my head, but I've seen it a lot (with varying wording). The viewpoint character states that no one can act that well, and this is a signal from the author that B is really on the up-and-up.
Of course, the only time someone ever says "nobody's that good an actor" on screen, someone is literally being that good an actor -- right then -- just over there.
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No, it's more like the plot of...
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