How do morbidly obese people reproduce?

[Uncommon Sense]

From another thread in GQ about abortion.
Fair enough, since I've often wondered how the morbidly obese do just about any normal activities, including reproducing. On occasion I'll see a very large couple who've either just had a child or are expecting. You gotta kind of wonder. I mean, there is a point at which standard intercourse becomes impossible.

I suppose the guy could masturbate and then introduce the sperm to his lovers vagina by using his fingers. I'm sort of guessing here, and this may be what Chief Pedant and colleagues had in mind?

From the linked thread;

....We're talking about the really really fat, though. For those of you wondering how we even get access "down there" for the really really fat, I'd like to mention that it's as hard as you think it is. So hard that even we in the Medical Profession wonder how the insemination was effected to begin with. Another thread, I suppose, where the Dopers could probably clear up something me and my colleagues have wondered for years.

[Chief Pedant]

Originally Posted by Uncommon Sense;10230764

I suppose the guy could masturbate and then introduce the sperm to his lovers vagina by using his fingers. I'm sort of guessing here, and this may be what [b

Chief Pedant[/b] and colleagues had in mind?

From the linked thread;

The thought never crossed my mind!

Sheesh.

I await the input of the Dopers to answer the question, though.

[Yorikke]

Originally Posted by Uncommon Sense

From another thread in GQ about abortion.
Fair enough, since I've often wondered how the morbidly obese do just about any normal activities, including reproducing. On occasion I'll see a very large couple who've either just had a child or are expecting. You gotta kind of wonder. I mean, there is a point at which standard intercourse becomes impossible.

I suppose the guy could masturbate and then introduce the sperm to his lovers vagina by using his fingers. I'm sort of guessing here, and this may be what Chief Pedant and colleagues had in mind?

From the linked thread;

It's not as hard as you seem to think. I don't know what you consider "really, really fat," but I am 400 lbs, my wife is 300. We have sex just like you. Mainly just missionary, because I also have a form of MD, so I can't be as athletic, so to speak. It ain't that tough.

Joe

[BubbaDog]

Uncommon Sense - Your link takes me to a "response" page that quotes a message in a thread.

First of all, I didn't know that a link could do that.

Second, did you mean to do that?

Third, if so, why?

[Telperien]

Do you mean morbidly obese as in "having a BMI over 40," (to get a bit technical) or morbidly obese as in "really fat in general"?

Short answer is pretty much like anybody else, although there are some positions more difficult or impossible to achieve. I even turned up a few web pages with positions for facilitating sex between fat people, though it seems to me that it shouldn't be that hard to figure that sort of thing out on your own. (I mean if you have to figure it out by necessity, not if you're a not-fat person just wondering about it.)

[Risha]

( I told myself, "self, stay out of these threads..." )

The short answer: like everyone else.

The long answer: I'm sure that once you get up into the true "supersize" levels of obesity (such as someone who can't leave their couch), it becomes impossible. But basically anyone who is still mobile and such can have pentrational intercourse, and I'm very frightened that the doctor you quoted has any sort of doubt about it. There are certain positions that my husband and I (both over 350 pounds) have a little difficulty with, but none that are outright impossible. Well, OK, holding me up off my feet against a wall requires the help of a swimming pool, but I think that's true for a lot of normal weight couples as well.

[CalMeacham]

I don't know if anyone actually said this, or if iot's just a joke. As it's told, some curious bystander asks an extremely obesde guy how he and his wife get it on, and is told: "You're not the first short-peckered guy to ask that!"

[sandra_nz]

I have a BMI of 42 and can have sex with no problems.

[MOIDALIZE]

Everyone, out of the thread, and go outside this instant

[Telperien]

Originally Posted by MOIDALIZE

Everyone, out of the thread, and go outside this instant

But then how will we be able to read your brilliant contributions?

[diggleblop]

I used to be morbidly obese, now I'm just large and today is my son's 9th birthday. It was a little tough to have sex, but I have a rather long penis and when I get erect, it pops out just like any other guy's.

When it comes to the act itself, just like anyone else, you climb up on top and hold yourself up with your arms. It's harder and you can't do it as long, unless you're Hercules, but it isn't impossible. We could do all positions and when I lost the weight, the only difference i found was that we could do them longer. You know, not get as winded as fast. In fact, women have told me they liked having sex with me when I was fat better because my "fat" down there pressed up against their clits and gave them even more pleasure.

I can see how people would think what you think, but again, other than being fat, it's not that different from skinny people. Most fat people have a harder time bathing and fitting into clothes than having sex. That's the truth.

[Uncommon Sense]

Originally Posted by BubbaDog

Uncommon Sense - Your link takes me to a "response" page that quotes a message in a thread.

First of all, I didn't know that a link could do that.

Second, did you mean to do that?

Third, if so, why?

Whoops, accidental.
As a side note.
I hope nobody feels compelled to answer the question if they feel that the question isn't sincere. There is no underlying motive other than this: I was under the assumption that padded layers near the groin would make it difficult for very large people to engage in a successful act of insemination through typical intercourse. I suppose this may be the case for some couples, but I'm sure is far from typical - just like coping with any other anomaly that people would otherwise have.

[HeyHomie]

I'm on a first-name basis with a woman whose weight is probably approaching 400 pounds, and her husband has to be in the upper 290's range. They have an active sex life (so they tell me, repeatedly).

[Telperien]

Originally Posted by HeyHomie

I'm on a first-name basis with a woman whose weight is probably approaching 400 pounds, and her husband has to be in the upper 290's range. They have an active sex life (so they tell me, repeatedly).

I'm scared to ask why they think you need to know.

[Colibri]

Originally Posted by BubbaDog

Uncommon Sense - Your link takes me to a "response" page that quotes a message in a thread.

First of all, I didn't know that a link could do that.

Second, did you mean to do that?

Third, if so, why?

I fixed the link.

Colibri
General Questions Moderator

[Yorikke]

Originally Posted by diggleblop

I can see how people would think what you think, but again, other than being fat, it's not that different from skinny people. Most fat people have a harder time bathing and fitting into clothes than having sex. That's the truth.

Absolutely true. Clothes are not an issue - I can go to the Big & Tall. But I have a teeny, tiny shower - the bathroom as a whole is about twice as big as a standard shower stall - it's a major pain in the ass. Sex, as I stated, is just not a problem, and, no, my pecker isn't super-long.

ETA - Umm.. I mean... I have a HUMONGOUS pecker.

Joe

[corkboard]

Originally Posted by diggleblop

<snip>... and today is my son's 9th birthday. It was a little tough to have sex, <snip>

I'm still trying to figure out what the son's birthday has to do with the rest of the post, and the proximity of the 2nd clause to the 1st made me

[BaneSidhe]

Originally Posted by corkboard

I'm still trying to figure out what the son's birthday has to do with the rest of the post, and the proximity of the 2nd clause to the 1st made me

There is now a fine layer of Wheat Thins and Coke on my keyboard.

[Indistinguishable]

Not to kill the joke, but he mentioned his son's birthday as evidence of his having been able to reproduce.

[Elendil's Heir]

Reminds me of David Sedaris's redneck brother, who said he suffered from the dicdu disease: "My gut sticks out farther than my dicdu!"

[panache45]

Slight hijack: According to Dr. Mehmet Oz, a man's "apparent" penis size increases by one inch for every 35 pounds of weight lost. If that isn't incentive, I don't know what is.

[Yorikke]

Originally Posted by panache45

Slight hijack: According to Dr. Mehmet Oz, a man's "apparent" penis size increases by one inch for every 35 pounds of weight lost. If that isn't incentive, I don't know what is.

My god... If I gained another 300, then lost it... the mind boggles!

Joe

[Chief Pedant]

Just to be clear, the issue was insemination, not simply having approximately juxtaposed genitalia.

Insemination is proof of reasonably proximate deposition of sperm in the right place. Of course sperm are good swimmers, so it's not absolute proof that where he thinks he is at The Moment of Joy is where he'd be if there were less fat.

And as mentioned, there's tubby and there's morbidly obese. And weight is a relatively crude proxy for Fat. Some folks are huge but not all that fat. Big old floppy fat that needs two Assistant Spreaders just to get the inner thighs out of the way for the speculum.

The Proof that it can be done is when Mom 'n Dad bring in the Little Pudding I guess. There must be some basic positions that don't work--Flying Cranes with Goddess Superior--whatever?

I have wondered on occasion if a female knee chest with a rear entry male borrowing the small of her back upon which to rest his tummy might provide good access if the only problem is a couple of generous waistlines.

[PaulParkhead]

Originally Posted by Risha

Well, OK, holding me up off my feet against a wall requires the help of a swimming pool, but I think that's true for a lot of normal weight couples as well.

I don't know about "normal" weight - my wife and I are both underweight - but yeah, I don't think all that many couples would be able to do something like this. Perhaps if the guy was big and strong and lean, I dunno. That's not me. I weighed in at 110lbs at 5'7'' last time I checked. I can't lift my wife off the ground for anything other than the briefest time.

[Risha]

Originally Posted by Chief Pedant

Just to be clear, the issue was insemination, not simply having approximately juxtaposed genitalia.

Insemination is proof of reasonably proximate deposition of sperm in the right place. Of course sperm are good swimmers, so it's not absolute proof that where he thinks he is at The Moment of Joy is where he'd be if there were less fat.

And as mentioned, there's tubby and there's morbidly obese. And weight is a relatively crude proxy for Fat. Some folks are huge but not all that fat. Big old floppy fat that needs two Assistant Spreaders just to get the inner thighs out of the way for the speculum.

I really don't know where you're going with this. We fat people in this thread have already said that we don't have any issues with things getting together in the proper manner. (And yes, we both have considerable amounts of stomach fat, and lots of thigh fat in my case.) In some positions, squeezing my muscles is required to make myself tight enough for him to come, so it's not like the fat on the inside interferes at all either.

Do I have absolute proof that he's going as deep as he would if we were both thin? Of course not - we're not putting a ruler in there at the same time. But he looks and feels to be all of the way in, and it doesn't require a speculum for it to happen.

Of course, when you think about it, having sex is really a completely different matter than a gynecological exam. For the latter, the vagina needs to be open a certain amount to see inside, hence the speculum. Whereas for the former, a much smaller opening suffices.

The Proof that it can be done is when Mom 'n Dad bring in the Little Pudding I guess. There must be some basic positions that don't work--Flying Cranes with Goddess Superior--whatever?

None that we've ever tried. We haven't worked our way through the Kama Sutra or anything, but we've been together for almost fifteen years, so we've tried a number of different things.

I have wondered on occasion if a female knee chest with a rear entry male borrowing the small of her back upon which to rest his tummy might provide good access if the only problem is a couple of generous waistlines.

Actually, that's one of the most difficult. Remember, the woman probably has a large ass to go with the large stomach, and the stomach can stop her from leaning as far over as most other women.

[Gfactor]

Austin: How could you sleep with Fat Bastard?
Felicity Shagwell: I was just doing my duty, Austin. I had to.
Austin: No, I mean, literally, HOW could you do it? The man's so fat, the sheer mechanics of it are mind-boggling.

Here is a SFW (no pictures, but the page title is "Fat Sex") link with descriptions of some positions and techniques: http://www.dimensionsmagazine.com/di...s/fat_sex.html

Then again, according to WebMD,

morbidly obese people are 25 times more likely to report problems in their sex lives, compared with normal-weight people. "What struck us was this magnitude of difference"

http://www.webmd.com/sex/news/200411...g-obese-people

[The Mermaid]

I once took care of a patient who was 4' 9" and >350 lbs. She had a pendulous abd that literally hung to her knees. She was able to ambulate to the bathroom for bowel movements but unable to reach her privates to clean them. At home she used a shower attachment, for the hospital she brought her "helper" which consisted of an approx 2 1/2 foot length of well worn wooden rod--like a broom handle.

She used the device to lift her abdominal folds so the assistant could reach underneath to clean. One day she volunteered that she also used her "helper" to have sex. She said she would lie on her back and use the rod to lift her folds so her hubby could, as she said, "get to it". She seemed quite pleased with her ingenuity too.

[drastic_quench]

Originally Posted by The Mermaid

I once took care of a patient who was 4' 9" and >350 lbs. She had a pendulous abd that literally hung to her knees. She was able to ambulate to the bathroom for bowel movements but unable to reach her privates to clean them. At home she used a shower attachment, for the hospital she brought her "helper" which consisted of an approx 2 1/2 foot length of well worn wooden rod--like a broom handle.

She used the device to lift her abdominal folds so the assistant could reach underneath to clean. One day she volunteered that she also used her "helper" to have sex. She said she would lie on her back and use the rod to lift her folds so her hubby could, as she said, "get to it". She seemed quite pleased with her ingenuity too.

That's exactly like Bart Simpson's "I wash muhself with rag onna stick" line.

[CC]

eeewww!

[Elendil's Heir]

My eyes! MY EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Mermaid]

Originally Posted by drastic_quench

That's exactly like Bart Simpson's "I wash muhself with rag onna stick" line.

Maybe, but this story is 100% true.

[diggleblop]

Originally Posted by corkboard

I'm still trying to figure out what the son's birthday has to do with the rest of the post, and the proximity of the 2nd clause to the 1st made me

He asked how morbidly obese people reproduce. By me stating that I used to be obese, yet I have a child, I was implying that it isn't impossible.

[A shameful cracka...]

Originally Posted by PaulParkhead

I don't know about "normal" weight - my wife and I are both underweight - but yeah, I don't think all that many couples would be able to do something like this. Perhaps if the guy was big and strong and lean, I dunno. That's not me. I weighed in at 110lbs at 5'7'' last time I checked. I can't lift my wife off the ground for anything other than the briefest time.

I'm not particularly strong, but I've done this with a woman who weighed around 180 lbs. (I was around 280 at the time). It's not like you have to hold up her whole weight all the time, you have her leaned against a wall so that's helping, and she's holding on to you so that makes it easier too.

[Pullet]

Originally Posted by The Mermaid

I once took care of a patient who was 4' 9" and >350 lbs. She had a pendulous abd that literally hung to her knees. She was able to ambulate to the bathroom for bowel movements but unable to reach her privates to clean them. At home she used a shower attachment, for the hospital she brought her "helper" which consisted of an approx 2 1/2 foot length of well worn wooden rod--like a broom handle.

She used the device to lift her abdominal folds so the assistant could reach underneath to clean. One day she volunteered that she also used her "helper" to have sex. She said she would lie on her back and use the rod to lift her folds so her hubby could, as she said, "get to it". She seemed quite pleased with her ingenuity too.

<<Pullet puts the chocolate pudding back on the shelf>>

[corkboard]

Originally Posted by diggleblop

He asked how morbidly obese people reproduce. By me stating that I used to be obese, yet I have a child, I was implying that it isn't impossible.

Yeah, I get it. My point was that simply mentioning the existence of your child would have adequately proven your ability to procreate; as written, however, it makes the sex appear to have been in celebration of your child's recent 9th birthday. Or something.

Carry on.

[Bayard]

I don't have anything to add about the mechanics involved, but obesity is apparently associated with an increased risk of infertility (that's just the first site that turned up on Google; I'm sure there are others). My understanding is that if the obesity is related to the condition Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome (PCOS), the incidence of infertility is higher yet.

Disclaimer: IANAD. My wife is, however. Her area of expertise is researching/treating PCOS and infertility.

[Madd Maxx]

Originally Posted by panache45

Slight hijack: According to Dr. Mehmet Oz, a man's "apparent" penis size increases by one inch for every 35 pounds of weight lost. If that isn't incentive, I don't know what is.

So what you are saying is that if I lose 100 lbs, I would be the next John Holmes?

[Chief Pedant]

Originally Posted by Madd Maxx

So what you are saying is that if I lose 100 lbs, I would be the next John Holmes?

"Apparently," anyway. In practice it may simply convert a negative one inch innie to a 2 incher.

Whether or not 3" additional would suffice to compete with Long Dong depends on your starting baseline.

[MsRobyn]

Originally Posted by The Mermaid

I once took care of a patient who was 4' 9" and >350 lbs. She had a pendulous abd that literally hung to her knees. She was able to ambulate to the bathroom for bowel movements but unable to reach her privates to clean them. At home she used a shower attachment, for the hospital she brought her "helper" which consisted of an approx 2 1/2 foot length of well worn wooden rod--like a broom handle.

She used the device to lift her abdominal folds so the assistant could reach underneath to clean. One day she volunteered that she also used her "helper" to have sex. She said she would lie on her back and use the rod to lift her folds so her hubby could, as she said, "get to it". She seemed quite pleased with her ingenuity too.

::Looks for the closest Weight Watchers meeting::

Robin