My brother-in-law is trying to kill himself with the power of prayer

[Inner Stickler]

Originally Posted by Jack Batty

Up until now I just thought you were a misguided fool. This post proves that you are an unmitigated asshole.

Psst, kanicbird is who everyone is irritated with. You responded to kaylasdad99 who is a different person and a nice one at that.

[Labrador Deceiver]

flight, here is a link to an article that supports what you remember. I was told of one much longer ago than 2006, and I'll also try to find that one.

[Labrador Deceiver]

Originally Posted by Jack Batty

Aw, horseshit.

He thinks his fucking sky fairies -- who he also thinks has actual fights with invisible demons over control of shit that matters here on earth -- means fuck all in the real world. And all his platitudes about how caring he is, is nothing but shit in your face because you don't pray as well as he does.

Fuck him. He's an asshole.

Horseshit indeed. You need to follow the thread more closely next time.

[Jack Batty]

I have. And I've read his nonsensical rantings in Great Debates. He's completely deluded. He has no grasp of reality and he has no business giving anyone medical advice. Or any advice at all for that matter.

[Jack Batty]

Originally Posted by Inner Stickler

Psst, kanicbird is who everyone is irritated with. You responded to kaylasdad99 who is a different person and a nice one at that.

Oh.








Sorry Kaylasdad99 .... it's that fucking "K" that threw me off.

[kanicbird]

Originally Posted by neutron star

It's called growing up, you dangerous, oblivious, fucking retard! The majority of children with ADHD stop showing signs of it after reaching adulthood.

Jesus Christ! That's like saying that you had a cold last month and the fact that you don't have it anymore is god's will!

Cured dramatically in about 1 second in my 30's while praying? No sorry your worldly explanations fall way short.

[Sapo]

To the OP, allow me to fast forward your story, so you get a glimpse of what's coming.

My BIL, was first diagnosed with HBP a few years ago. Nothing tragic, it runs in the family. A little pill a day and some common sense eating has taken care of that for everybody else.

He chose not to treat it. HBP led to kidney failure. Daily dialysis led to unemployment. A sedentary life led to overweight. Overweight and dialysis led to blood and bone infection. Bone infection led to hip removal. Hip removal led to wheelchair. Wheelchair has now led to him being 450 lbs of useless shit that my FIL has to lug around when he should be enjoying retirement.

It is time for you to start praying. Pray for that motherfucker to die before his misery kills someone you do care about.

I hope mine does, I really do. That way we could all enjoy some time with my FIL.

Alas, every year the shitbag does threaten to die. Always around Christmas to fuck everyone's festivities. Fucker can't die in May like decent people.

He also pontificates a lot trying to impose his churchy views on everyone. I always tell him to fuck off and save himself before he can save me.

Ugh.

[neutron star]

God damn you're stupid.

e: not you, Sapo

[Steve MB]

Originally Posted by kanicbird

You have someone who is trying to get cured through prayer, what is going to work better:

- Telling them it's a stupid idea - really does this work for you?
- Telling them go ahead do what you want and go off the meds
- Tell them about someone who God has cured, Let them know that this person who God has cured did not just go off meds, nor does he recommend it, but sought the Lord not the healing, over years the Lord did cure his condition.

Hokay. Let's start by process of elimination. Given that you already said

But you try to sell people into bondage, through drugs. How many people are stuck in jobs because they need to maintain their health insurance, trapping people as slaves? The cost of drugs continues to rise, and drugs just maintain, they rarely cure, not to mention the side effects. God does not want this additional burden on your lives.

we can rule out that third one as inconsistent with your stated position. Any further information on whittling the last two finalists down to one winner?

[Jack Batty]

Originally Posted by neutron star

God damn you're stupid.

e: not you, Sapo

If you're referring to me, I'd say it's a fair cop in this thread.






But I still think kanicbird is a fucking dope.

[Sapo]

Originally Posted by neutron star

God damn you're stupid.

e: not you, Sapo

Quotes, my friend, quotes.

[neutron star]

Originally Posted by Jack Batty

If you're referring to me, I'd say it's a fair cop in this thread.






But I still think kanicbird is a fucking dope.

Haha. Dammit!

No, I meant kanicbird.

Sorry for the confusion.

[Broomstick]

Originally Posted by kanicbird

It is also the motivation of asking God, It's just not Lord please get me off these meds, but Lord I want to live for You, I want Jesus to live in me and through me. It is the motivation behind the asking, and who you put first. God looks at your heart, not your words and your motivation must be pure. Are you just asking for your self, this will not work. You have to really accept Jesus as your Lord, placing Him first.

I see. It's blame the victim bullshit. A person is sick because they aren't pure of heart, or haven't met God's standards, or some such. In any case, it's the victim's fault because they aren't good enough to be given healing.

Personally, I think that's a load of crap. It's a corrosive belief system that just further burdens the suffering. And it lead to people abandoning real medical treatments and dying of what are manageable and controllable conditions. What a heartless, evil attitude. You disgust me.

[Swallowed My Cellphone]

Wait... re-reading.

Withdrawn. Wooshed.

But kanicbird is a fucknugget.

[Typo Negative]

Originally Posted by kanicbird

Cured dramatically in about 1 second in my 30's while praying? No sorry your worldly explanations fall way short.

Your anonymous anecdotal evidence has convinced me!

[Skald the Rhymer]

Originally Posted by Athena

Just as an FYI, if you suspect you're diabetic or have friends/family who may be, you can get a free meter here. I'm guessing other brands have similar offers. I've heard that even if you don't see an ad, if you call the company and ask them, they'll often send you a free meter.

If there's one thing I've learned about diabetes, it's "never pay for a meter."

That's mostly but not entirely true. Since the companies make their money by selling you the strips, they'll throw in a meter given any reasonable excuse. But if you don't have insurance and need to pay for the strips, it can be cheaper to buy the store brand meters at Walgreens or Walmart (not available free) and pay $40-$60 every month for strips.

My brother-in-law has gone to the doctor, by the way; his daughter convinced him. Even God was less powerful than a crying 14-year-old girl.

[Skald the Rhymer]

Originally Posted by Marley23

I wonder who has killed more people over the years - Big Pharma or Big God?

Oh, definitely Big Pharma. God is handicapped by not existing.

If you change the contestants to Big Pharma and the believers in Big God, however....

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by Skald the Rhymer

If you change the contestants to Big Pharma and the believers in Big God, however....

Yeah, that was more what I had in mind.

[The Weird One]

Originally Posted by Skald the Rhymer

My brother-in-law has gone to the doctor, by the way; his daughter convinced him. Even God was less powerful than a crying 14-year-old girl.

Well, thank God for that, at least. I hope he starts taking care of himself.

[jsgoddess]

Originally Posted by Skald the Rhymer

Even God was less powerful than a crying 14-year-old girl.

Excellent news.

To add on to some of the other discussions, my local pharmacy gave my husband a free meter because Medicare doesn't pay the full cost of the expensive strips, so they make a little bit if he buys their strips but they lose money if he sticks with his Freestyle.

There are new meters you can get that do a continuous reading around the wrist. We haven't looked at them in at least a year, when they were extremely expensive, but I wonder if the price has possibly come down.

And I can't remember what else I was intending to say. Grr. I've been doing that a lot lately.

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by Skald the Rhymer

Even God was less powerful than a crying 14-year-old girl.

If I ever have a daughter, I will probably write this on a piece of paper and keep it in my dresser drawer.

[aruvqan]

Originally Posted by Steve MB

Hokay. Let's start by process of elimination. Given that you already said

\\But you try to sell people into bondage, through drugs. How many people are stuck in jobs because they need to maintain their health insurance, trapping people as slaves? The cost of drugs continues to rise, and drugs just maintain, they rarely cure, not to mention the side effects. God does not want this additional burden on your lives.//

we can rule out that third one as inconsistent with your stated position. Any further information on whittling the last two finalists down to one winner?

Funny, most people I know work to keep a roof over their heads, and food on the table, and clothing on their backs.

Perhaps the ones who really believe in god to provide are maybe called HOMELESS and live in church provided homeles shelters?

[Skald the Rhymer]

Originally Posted by Jack Batty

Aw, horseshit.

He thinks his fucking sky fairies -- who he also thinks has actual fights with invisible demons over control of shit that matters here on earth -- means fuck all in the real world. And all his platitudes about how caring he is, is nothing but shit in your face because you don't pray as well as he does.

Fuck him. He's an asshole.

That seems an unfair description. Assholes are useful; they are a major way the body relieves itself of waste, and, with appropriate sanitary measures, can be quite delightful in a purely amatory sense. In short they contribute to the world, whereas kanicbird has not contributed anything useful to this thread.

[Shayna]

Originally Posted by Skald the Rhymer

My brother-in-law has gone to the doctor, by the way; his daughter convinced him. Even God was less powerful than a crying 14-year-old girl.

WRONG! G-d spoke to him through the 14-year-old girl! G-d is ALL powerful MWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!

[Skald the Rhymer]

Originally Posted by kanicbird

No He does not, He hates them, but sometimes they are needed and unavoidable, sometimes He is willing to remove them.



I'm not saying to stop the drugs, I'm saying if you seek Him, He may heal her so that drugs are no longer needed.


Seek the Lord

It's really too bad that Odin is unaware of the vicissitudes of mortal life unless we inform him through prayer, and unable to intervene lest we propriate him with offerings. But alas though Hunin and Munin do their best to keep him informed, there are many more people in Midgard than there were when the Aesir came to power; with 6 billion mortals alive today, there are simply too many to make sure everyone is taken care of appropriately. Moreover Freyja's perpetual overspending on mead for the Einherjar has left the gods of Asgard bankrupt, and only by giving them generously from our coffers can they afford to arms necessary to keep the Nine Worlds in order.

[Labrador Deceiver]

Originally Posted by Skald the Rhymer

That seems an unfair description. Assholes are useful; they are a major way the body relieves itself of waste, and, with appropriate sanitary measures, can be quite delightful in a purely amatory sense. In short they contribute to the world, whereas kanicbird has not contributed anything useful to this thread.

I dunno. He's provided a potential glimpse into the mind of your B-I-L.

Not sure if that is useful.

[Lanzy]

"G-d" WTF? is your "o" broken?

[Skald the Rhymer]

Originally Posted by Lanzy

"G-d" WTF? is your "o" broken?

In Jewish tradition, it is considered inappropriate to write the name of the creator in a fashion that might be destroyed. Consequently, many observant Jews, when writing in English, omit the "o" from "God" so that if the document in question is destroyed, they will not fall afoul of that rule Arrangements of electrons, being quite, evanescent, obviously qualify. I expect that Shayna is obliquely referring to this belief and practice.

--Skaldimus, fighting ignorance just as the Master would

[Jack Batty]

I wonder if that means that Rastafarians smoke p-t?

[kanicbird]

I have a bit more time to go into how Jesus healed me and the circumstances around it, as it may be of help to the OP.

I started seeking the Lord first to get me out of a bad situation, actually facing death, which He did praise be to God. So many people have to get to this point before they turn to God. I sought Him more because I really liked what He did and wanted to know Him more. The more I sought Him, the closer I drew to Him, the closer and more I knew Him and wanted to know. This journey was not to cure ADHD.

Jesus purified and refined me getting rid of many bad habits, and having me quit them without much difficulty at all. Things I did for years I just knew when it was time to just walk away from. These things were things I wasn't seeking, but He wanted them out of my life.

Then it came the time when I was praying in a small group. I was not even thinking of ADHD at the time. One person came over to me, placed their hand on my head and prayed, my head cleared, this brain fog ADHD dramatically left in about 1 second. I felt the clearing. The only other time I felt a clearing anything like that was the 1st time I took Ritalin, but that was not as dramatic, nor did other doses of Ritalin approach that level.

To the OP, this person really wants to pursue a cure by prayer, telling him he is stupid for trying will only work if you get him to believe he is stupid. Perhaps that's your true motivation perhaps not, I don't know, but it is the motivation of some here, to inflict further damage to this person, not to help them and in the name of Lord Jesus and in His Authority I bind those efforts, and in Jesus' name forbid you harming this person.

In the name of Jesus, if this person really wants to turn to God, let him come and let him know the path is to seek Jesus, not to seek a cure.

May the Lord Jesus bless all you people.

[Polycarp]

Kanicbird, the obvious thing to do here is to assert Cite?. You know, and I know, that God can work miracles. But remember what St. Paul did in Athens -- he tempered his preaching to the beliefs and philosophy of the Athenians, in order to win them.

You're on the Dope here. And you know what Cecilians want -- authoritative, peer-reviewed proof of an assertion. If you were "dramatically healed by God through prayer," surely there was previous evidence of your ailment, whatever it was, examination by physician(s) after documenting your cure/remission/unprecedently rapid healing/whatever. Even Czarcasm is on record as saying he would believe adequate proof of a claimed miraculous cure.

I know what God did in my life. I also know that it is next door to impossible to prove that to the satisfaction of, say, Der Trihs. So I simply witness to the facts as I perceived them, with sufficient emphasis on my employing moderate skepticism to them to overcome the Jamesian "will to believe," to state my claim. It's up to others whether to take my word, or whether to consider my evaluation as adequate. If you have proof of an objective miracle, it's up to you to proffer it. Ranting about how others "need to believe" absent evidence satisfactory to themselves is simply calling them to embrace error -- perhaps you are telling the truth, but then again, perhaps the guy who claims Bigfoot strolled through his back yard is, too. If you have proof of God performing a documentable miracle, it's your burden to present it, not merely claim it's true. The most fundamental difference between a universe in which an omnipotent God is active and one where He is not -- in fact, does not exist for any reasonable definition of the term "God" -- is clearcut, non-anecdotal, non-legendary evidence of Him at work in a manner irrefutable by other means. So, Cite!?!?

As for the niece, perhaps she was the "two boats and helicopter" for her father.

I'm not a "Scientific Creationist"; I'm a scientific Creationist. I believe God created the Universe. And I believe He did it by means of the Big Bang, brought about the diversity of life through evolutionary processes, etc. I think Genesis is a fine set of myths and legends describing what He did in terms accessible to Hebrew nomads, who are in general not noted for their extensive background in pyrogenetic nucleosynthesis, inflationary cosmology, punctuated equilibria, etc. I think God heals -- and I think that 99.99999% of the time, He does it by calling some people to be physicians and surgeons and other health care workers, and having them use His methods of removing toxins and septic conditions, extracting malignant growths, encouraging the body to use its self-repair mechanisms, etc. Miracles, if and when they exist, are the extraordinary interventions needed in extraordinary circumstances -- not something to be asked for in place of His normal means of healing through committed professional healers.

[E-Sabbath]

kanicbird, let me ask you a simple question. It's not really a trap.

Can you force the Lord to perform a miracle?

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by kanicbird

To the OP, this person really wants to pursue a cure by prayer, telling him he is stupid for trying will only work if you get him to believe he is stupid. Perhaps that's your true motivation perhaps not, I don't know

There's some outstanding class and compassion right there - Skald's frustrated his brother-in-law wouldn't deal with his medical condition by seeing a doctor (you know, people who are trained to deal with medical conditions) instead of just leaving it up to a Godly crapshoot (since God occasionally cures people of the diseases He presumably created and inflicted, but usually doesn't), and you accuse Skald of trying to make the guy he's trying to help feel stupid? The guy is being stupid. Somehow that's Skald's fault for not being supportive of his stupidity, I guess. Shame shame.

to inflict further damage to this person, not to help them and in the name of Lord Jesus and in His Authority I bind those efforts, and in Jesus' name forbid you harming this person.

Somewhat ironically, this post and the accompanying prayers are going to be exactly as effective as the posts wishing Skald's BIL get a harsh lesson. They're all words from strangers and don't do anything. Why not try a rain dance or something? I'd like to see some snow this afternoon.

In the name of Jesus, if this person really wants to turn to God, let him come and let him know the path is to seek Jesus, not to seek a cure.

Thanks to this kind of holy shit, he was on the path to seeing him sooner rather than later. Unfortunately for everybody, EEEEEVIL medicine's going to keep him from his eternal reward for a while. Curse Satan for inventing health care!

[kanicbird]

Originally Posted by E-Sabbath

Can you force the Lord to perform a miracle?

In a round about way it is sort of possible, though God does know all before it happens. There are scriptural examples of miracles happening as the result of disobedience of God (if we define miracles as supernatural happenings).

[Cat Whisperer]

I'm glad to hear that, Skald.

[E-Sabbath]

Originally Posted by kanicbird

In a round about way it is sort of possible, though God does know all before it happens. There are scriptural examples of miracles happening as the result of disobedience of God (if we define miracles as supernatural happenings).

So, you could, one hundred percent, for sure, have the Lord cure your ADHD if you still had it?
Note: Still not really a trap, I'm just a bit uncertain of the theological standing of your faith here. Most people, as I understand it, would consider it either blasphemous or impossible, to compel the Lord to do something.

[Jack Batty]

Just ask Jim Morrison.

[kanicbird]

Originally Posted by E-Sabbath

So, you could, one hundred percent, for sure, have the Lord cure your ADHD if you still had it?

No

Note: Still not really a trap, I'm just a bit uncertain of the theological standing of your faith here. Most people, as I understand it, would consider it either blasphemous or impossible, to compel the Lord to do something.

The Lord states, 'come let us reason together' (Is 1:18a). The only thing we (man) has to reason with God is His Word, which He will not violate. The Word contains promises of God, some of which are miracles. How and when He does them are up to Him, not us.

[Ann Onimous]

Skald, very happy to hear he's gone to the doc. Please keep us posted.

Polycarp, well said. Your explanation of scientific Creationist is wonderful. Thanks.

Oh, and since this is the Pit: Darn.

[cwthree]

Originally Posted by kanicbird

In a round about way it is sort of possible, though God does know all before it happens. There are scriptural examples of miracles happening as the result of disobedience of God (if we define miracles as supernatural happenings).

In other words, "No."

[Skald the Rhymer]

I have opened a thread in Great Debates about faith healing, specifically wondering why God does not restore a common complication of unmanaged diabetes: amputed limbs. Lest the faithful fable and the faithful waver and miss that discussion, I am linking to it here.

[Baal Houtham]

Originally Posted by Skald the Rhymer

I have opened a thread in Great Debates about faith healing, specifically wondering why God does not restore a common complication of unmanaged diabetes: amputed limbs.
(...)

Chortle.

I don't think chortling is allowed in Great Debates, so there it is. But I'll check out the GD thread just to try and spot an apologist performing a mental triple salchow.

[Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor]

For failing to note the limitations & inconsistencies in his worldview, I nominate kanicbird for Official Moron of the SDMB.

[GuanoLad]

People are fucked up. It's a wonder we survived this long.

[MissIntent]

Kanicbird -

I've always wanted to know. Did god agree that genocides were ok, that things like the Holocaust were alright, because those people didn't pray enough? When people were being slaughtered in Rwanda, was it because they were secretly terrible people and weren't praying enough?

And when children get raped and murdered, which unfortunately happens far too often, is it because they're not pure inside and don't know how to pray to god to make it stop? Or because they don't pray enough?

[Jack Batty]

Allow me.

Good = Isn't God wonderful?
Bad = We can't understand God.

[Ro Carter]

Originally Posted by Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor

For failing to note the limitations & inconsistencies in his worldview, I nominate kanicbird for Official Moron of the SDMB.

Seconded. Can we send him a hat?

[Cat Whisperer]

Originally Posted by GuanoLad

People are fucked up. It's a wonder we survived this long.

We breed like rabbits. It's our strength and our tragic weakness.

[NinjaChick]

Skald, glad your BIL has come to his senses and is getting the care he needs.

Originally Posted by MissIntent

Kanicbird -

I've always wanted to know. Did god agree that genocides were ok, that things like the Holocaust were alright, because those people didn't pray enough? When people were being slaughtered in Rwanda, was it because they were secretly terrible people and weren't praying enough?

And when children get raped and murdered, which unfortunately happens far too often, is it because they're not pure inside and don't know how to pray to god to make it stop? Or because they don't pray enough?

Obviously, if you don't believe in one particular version of the Big Boomy Skyvoice - which in this case looks remarkably like a guy who's mother spun one hell of a story about how she got knocked up and was a strikingly charismatic egomaniac - then you deserve to die. Because God wants to love you, but since God is all-knowing and all-powerful, God can't love you if you don't believe in some fucking retarded book which has been retold and re-translated over and over again throughout thousands of years.

There is no god nor anything beyond science and logic and nature, but if the Christian god were real, he'd be a major asshole.

[Fear Itself]

Originally Posted by kanicbird

- Tell them about someone who God has cured, Let them know that this person who God has cured did not just go off meds, nor does he recommend it, but sought the Lord not the healing, over years the Lord did cure his condition.

What colossal arrogance! How can you attribute the healing to having sought the lord? According to you, all things happen according to god's will, yet for some reason, miraculous cures happen more often to people who seek the lord. How is this not believing that man can change the will of god through faith and prayer? God's will seems to ebb and flow, according to how much devotion he feels from his flock. What a weak, irresolute being you have chosen to place your faith in.