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Old 03-09-2012, 07:03 PM
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Can you still stay at the YMCA?

I know it's supposed to be fun.

I found this previous SD thread, but all the links are now broken.
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Old 03-09-2012, 07:59 PM
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Well, there's at least one YMCA around here where you can stay.
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Old 03-09-2012, 08:06 PM
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Old 03-09-2012, 08:09 PM
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The YMCAs around me (Canada) offer a few diverse services: gyms and recreation, pools/swimming lessons, youth camps, community events, housing/immigration services, the list goes on - but I didn't see "fun to stay" on their list of services, to say nothing of "get yourself clean", "have a good meal", or the vague "do whatever you feel".
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Old 03-09-2012, 08:15 PM
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The YMCAs around me (Canada) offer a few diverse services: gyms and recreation, pools/swimming lessons, youth camps, community events, housing/immigration services, the list goes on - but I didn't see "fun to stay" on their list of services, to say nothing of "get yourself clean", "have a good meal", or the vague "do whatever you feel".
I think it should have been "whoever you feel."
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Old 03-09-2012, 08:32 PM
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Serious question to people alive in the 70s: did the incredibly obvious gay undertones of the Village People actually go over everyone's head? Did everyone think a disco song performed by 5 guys in stereotypical leather fetish costumes about "hanging out with all the boys at the YMCA" was actually about shootin' hoops with your buddies down at the gym? It boggles my mind that in a supposedly more conservative era, people just ignored the strong gay-sex overtones and turned it into a dance craze for baseball games, weddings and bar mitzvahs.
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Old 03-09-2012, 08:40 PM
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Serious question to people alive in the 70s: did the incredibly obvious gay undertones of the Village People actually go over everyone's head? Did everyone think a disco song performed by 5 guys in stereotypical leather fetish costumes about "hanging out with all the boys at the YMCA" was actually about shootin' hoops with your buddies down at the gym? It boggles my mind that in a supposedly more conservative era, people just ignored the strong gay-sex overtones and turned it into a dance craze for baseball games, weddings and bar mitzvahs.
Yup, there were lots of folks that didn't realize that Liberacce or Elton John were gay. We were Squares.
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Old 03-09-2012, 08:45 PM
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Well, there's at least one YMCA around here where you can stay.
Ha--I came here to post the same thing. And I've been told by neighbors that it doesn't make the YMCA weird at all or anything . . . but still me and the kids swim at the East Bank Club instead.
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Old 03-10-2012, 12:17 AM
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Sure, I stayed at the one in Penzance a few years ago. (It was a lot quieter and more rule-bound than most hostels, so I don't know that "fun" is exactly the word, but it was quite decent.)
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Old 03-10-2012, 01:41 AM
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Serious question to people alive in the 70s: did the incredibly obvious gay undertones of the Village People actually go over everyone's head? Did everyone think a disco song performed by 5 guys in stereotypical leather fetish costumes about "hanging out with all the boys at the YMCA" was actually about shootin' hoops with your buddies down at the gym? It boggles my mind that in a supposedly more conservative era, people just ignored the strong gay-sex overtones and turned it into a dance craze for baseball games, weddings and bar mitzvahs.
Having lived through the '70s, I would not call it a more conservative era,* at all. No, the undertones did not go over everyone's head, although doubtless they went over some peoples. I couldn't say whether the YMCA featured stereotypical leather fetish costumes or actually created some of these stereotypes, but the song was a big hit in gay communities.

Let's see, Rocky Horror Picture Show, porn goes mainstream (Deep Throat), non-porn movies had some of the sexiest scenes filmed ever, etc.
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Old 03-10-2012, 06:52 AM
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Yup, there were lots of folks that didn't realize that Liberacce or Elton John were gay. We were Squares.
fraid so. When Liberacce died and his orientation was widely discussed, I thought-huh I should have realized. But before then, not really. The whole gay society idea was simply not something I could imagine.
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Old 03-10-2012, 07:07 AM
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Having lived through the '70s, I would not call it a more conservative era,* at all. No, the undertones did not go over everyone's head, although doubtless they went over some peoples. I couldn't say whether the YMCA featured stereotypical leather fetish costumes or actually created some of these stereotypes, but the song was a big hit in gay communities.

Let's see, Rocky Horror Picture Show, porn goes mainstream (Deep Throat), non-porn movies had some of the sexiest scenes filmed ever, etc.
It is kind of funny to compare social attitudes of the 60/70s to subsequent decades. Some attitudes, such as race, sex, and sexual orientation, are more liberal now than then, but political attitudes are far more conservative. Just try to imagine getting an agency like the EPA established in the US today. Nixon established it without a lot of controversy in 1970. I have read a history of health care in the US and two things stand out. The country has almost established national health care many times. Roosevelt just didn't get around to signing the order in the 40s before he died. Every President since then, every one up until at least Reagan, including republicans, have proposed health care plans that are at least as comprehensive as Obama's plan, and couldn't get them passed. Usually due to opposition from liberal groups who didn't think they went far enough. And of course opposition from the medical establishment. We live today in a far more conservative and liberal era than the good old days. A lot like what it was like back in the those days.
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Old 03-10-2012, 11:42 AM
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By the 70s, the gay subtext* of YMCA was pretty obvious. By the time the song came out, many gays already had, too.

*Well, blatant text, really.
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Old 03-10-2012, 11:48 AM
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I can't say that people were really whooshed by the song. Whenever somebody picked up on it, they would either understand, or else they would ask somebody. When the somebody was asked, the askee would say "Yes, of course!" or "No, are you so bigoted that you can't understand that they are dressed that way strictly for camp and just hate people that are different", or else the hearer would just know that the song sucked and wouldn't care either way.
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Old 03-10-2012, 11:54 AM
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It doesn't appear you can stay at the Y local to me, but looks like the Columbus YMCA in Ohio still offers residential services. They sort of bury information about it in deep on their website, though and you almost don't know they are talking about rooms to stay in until you really read into the brochure. It mentions there is an "income requirement" to stay there, I assume of the type that if your income is over x/month they consider you to be too well off to use their service as I think it is intended to be affordable housing for lower income persons.
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Old 03-10-2012, 12:06 PM
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And now, back to the OP

Here's one in Boston, without the Y name, but apparently sponsored or owned by the Y:

http://constitutioninn.reachlocal.net/

and here's the obit and postcard for the major one that I stayed in when I was in the navy and visting the Big Apple

http://lifeatsloanehouse.blogspot.co...th-street.html

http://www.cardcow.com/219374/willia...new-york-maps/
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Old 03-10-2012, 12:31 PM
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not your typical YMCA.......

there's a YMCA in Jerusalem, which is unique.It still sees itself as true to the original mission of the Christian Association, doing social and interfaith work along with the gym and swimming pool.

And it has a luxury 5 star hotel
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Old 03-10-2012, 01:46 PM
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There are quite a few in England. I often pass the one at the Barbican. They even say 'With all the fun and friendly people that choose to stay at the City YMCA you are sure to make new friends.' And the prices - 34pp twin/37pp single, with breakfast, are VERY reasonable for that area of the city.
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Old 03-10-2012, 02:35 PM
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I think it should have been "whoever you feel."
Not whomever?
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Old 03-10-2012, 03:32 PM
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Serious question to people alive in the 70s: did the incredibly obvious gay undertones of the Village People actually go over everyone's head? Did everyone think a disco song performed by 5 guys in stereotypical leather fetish costumes about "hanging out with all the boys at the YMCA" was actually about shootin' hoops with your buddies down at the gym? It boggles my mind that in a supposedly more conservative era, people just ignored the strong gay-sex overtones and turned it into a dance craze for baseball games, weddings and bar mitzvahs.
It certainly went over my head, but I was just a pre-teen at the time. I'm not sure what my mother was thinking, though, when she bought me one of their LPs for some reason (unsolicited by me).
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Old 03-10-2012, 03:48 PM
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Ha--I came here to post the same thing. And I've been told by neighbors that it doesn't make the YMCA weird at all or anything . . . but still me and the kids swim at the East Bank Club instead.
It doesn't; most of the time you'd hardly know the guys were there. But hey, go ahead and schlep further and pay more money if that's what floats your boat. We'd probably still be members if we lived nearby anymore.
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Old 03-10-2012, 06:15 PM
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There is a YMCA on the corner of my block, and it seems like there is a small group of men who stay there. They all seem to be half of a step from homelessness. Don't know how much it costs or how one could get a room there. I checked their webpage, and there is no info about rooms available. I suppose that I could go in and ask.
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Old 03-10-2012, 11:57 PM
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I remember staying at the Y a few times in my university days. I actually got approached one time in the shower. Yep, communal showers like a locker room; very basic no-private-washroom hotel facility; like some older college dorms.

By the time of the Village People hits, "disco sucks" and its gay overtones, like disco line dancing, were very well known. The Village People camped this up. According to MTV pop-up videos, someone had to explain to one of the US Navy top admirals why "In The Navy" was not a good recruitment song.
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Old 03-11-2012, 03:05 AM
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I remember staying at the Y a few times in my university days. I actually got approached one time in the shower. Yep, communal showers like a locker room; very basic no-private-washroom hotel facility; like some older college dorms.
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I was wondering how a christian outreach organization got associated with gay cruising, I mean are the staff deaf dumb and stupid or they just didn't give a fuck about what is going on in the showers?
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Old 03-11-2012, 11:42 AM
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The Y is my preferred place to stay in New York. Last one my wife and I stayed at was the Green Point Y. I've stayed at a few others in New York, including one right near the UN. The rooms were actually larger than one or two of the much more expensive commercial rooms I've stayed at, and considerably cleaner. The only problem for some people is the shared bathroom. Not really a problem for me as I prefer to shower at night before going to bed and rarely run into anyone else. Just pack some flip-flops and a robe.

I stayed at the Sloane House when I first went to New York back in 1978. Great place! It was the International Student Center, had a cafeteria that was some of the best and cheapest food available in one of the most expensive cities on Earth, and large numbers of attractive girls from all over the world staying there.

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Old 03-11-2012, 12:36 PM
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Adam Corolla did a funny bit when he asked what the profession of the Leather Man was in the Village People. All the others had jobs so to speak.
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Old 03-11-2012, 01:29 PM
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It is kind of funny to compare social attitudes of the 60/70s to subsequent decades. Some attitudes, such as race, sex, and sexual orientation, are more liberal now than then, but political attitudes are far more conservative.
Attitudes to heterosexual sex were considerably less conservative/restrictive in the '70s than they are now.

As for political attitudes in general, although it is certainly true that the rhetoric of the US Republican Party has a become far more right wing (indeed, reactionary rather than conservative) than it used to be, there have not been equivalent developments in most other first-world countries, and even in the USA I doubt whether the political centre has shifted very far.

And yes, plenty of straight people in the 1970s got what The Village People were singing about. Heck, back in 1970 itself, when I was a straight and not-particularly-hip high-schooler, I got what The Kinks' "Lola" was about (and thought it was cool) without anyone having to explain it to me (and it went right to number one in the UK pop chart). A couple of years later, lots of straight people were also enjoying and understanding songs like David Bowie's "Suffragette City" and "John, I'm Only Dancing", and lots of actually straight male musicians were putting on eyeliner and dressing up in flamboyant shiny costumes to sell themselves as glam-rockers. The Village People were in no way pioneers of introducing overtly gay themes and gay aesthetics into '70s popular music (or even into disco).

Personally, however, I did not know that Elton John was gay until I read it somewhere. His hit songs don't really reflect it, and his costumes just seemed part of the general glam-rock fashion. Most glam-rockers were not gay.

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Old 03-11-2012, 06:33 PM
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I remember staying at the Y a few times in my university days. I actually got approached one time in the shower. Yep, communal showers like a locker room; very basic no-private-washroom hotel facility; like some older college dorms.

By the time of the Village People hits, "disco sucks" and its gay overtones, like disco line dancing, were very well known. The Village People camped this up. According to MTV pop-up videos, someone had to explain to one of the US Navy top admirals why "In The Navy" was not a good recruitment song.
It's a great song for recruitment now.
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Old 03-12-2012, 12:52 AM
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The YMCA where I work does have rooms to rent. They're used mainly by lower-income folks getting on their feet and a smattering of.....unusual people. Not glamorous, but it's a roof over your head and free gym membership.
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Old 03-12-2012, 01:23 AM
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Serious question to people alive in the 70s: did the incredibly obvious gay undertones of the Village People actually go over everyone's head? Did everyone think a disco song performed by 5 guys in stereotypical leather fetish costumes about "hanging out with all the boys at the YMCA" was actually about shootin' hoops with your buddies down at the gym? It boggles my mind that in a supposedly more conservative era, people just ignored the strong gay-sex overtones and turned it into a dance craze for baseball games, weddings and bar mitzvahs.
Most people who actually saw the group I'm sure were well aware that the Village People were intended as gay camp. The fact that the song has become a staple at baseball games and weddings I think is due largely to the audience participation aspect of the song, spelling out the letters with arm gestures.

I recall the first time I saw it at a ball game was when the NY Yankees ground crew started doing it when they would come on to groom the field after the fifth inning during (I believe) the 1996 championship season. I don't know if this was the start of its popularity at stadiums or if there were earlier instances.

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Old 03-12-2012, 08:52 AM
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I know it's supposed to be fun.

I found this previous SD thread, but all the links are now broken.
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Old 03-12-2012, 08:58 AM
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Attitudes to heterosexual sex were considerably less conservative/restrictive in the '70s than they are now.

Personally, however, I did not know that Elton John was gay until I read it somewhere. His hit songs don't really reflect it, and his costumes just seemed part of the general glam-rock fashion. Most glam-rockers were not gay.
I was a kid in the 70's, but... Who knew Freddie Mercury AND Rob Halford were both gay!? I just though that they liked leather chaps!

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Old 03-12-2012, 11:36 AM
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The YMCA where I work does have rooms to rent. They're used mainly by lower-income folks getting on their feet and a smattering of.....unusual people. Not glamorous, but it's a roof over your head and free gym membership.
Since the OP has been answered now the question is "Is it still fun to stay at the YMCA?".
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