[Mafia game] The Realm of Phere

[choie]

Originally Posted by MHaye

Goodness gracious me! A tied vote!

Under certain circumstances that might be considered evidence of Mafia alignment, but there are still 2½ hours to Dusk, and that's plenty of time for more voters to come in and break the tie.

Oh crap, I didn't even spot that. Math is apparently not my strong suit. Well, one of the tiebreakers might well be me--as I said, it's a tentative thing; but I really do find Astral's behavior scummy (perhaps the last minute vote switch and forgetting the EOD was a bluff) and I gotsta vote my conscience.

BTW someone had answered one of my earlier questions re: the similarity between Astral's EOD error and one of the other two games I've played; the person thought I was thinking of the last-minute self-preserving behavior of, uh, someone, which turned out to save his hide. But I don't think that was it. I definitely remember someone getting mixed up about the timing of the EOD and voting, and it wasn't a self-preservational vote. Then the rest of us had a big hullaballoo about whether scum would be likely to forget EOD or not. (Maybe it was Svejk in "The Thrill of the Chase"?)

[lilflower]

I am trying to skim through the thread to catch up. I was dumb enough to take 'too busy to play' literally and have been working on the logistics for starting a new job this past week.

vote Gadarene

This is totally meta-gamey and only based on a single game (lame, I know) but since he seems to be getting other votes as well, I may not be totally off base here. The basic issue is that in the last game we played*, he was the talkingest townie in the game and worked very hard to get town to work together. I'm not seeing any of that here and I'm wondering if it means he is scum.


* I'm Metallic Squink on Giraffe Boards.

[ToeJam]

Originally Posted by lilflower

This is totally meta-gamey and only based on a single game (lame, I know) but since he seems to be getting other votes as well, I may not be totally off base here.

[septimus]

Current Vote tally, maybe :

Six votes.
* Gadarene : NAF1138 (91), ToeJam (120), Inner Stickler (197), Visorslash (236), BobArrgh (305), lilflower (352)

Five votes.
* Astral Rejection : GuiriEnEspana (57), Gadarene (83), Septimus (317), MHaye (331), choie (341)

Four votes.
* Mosier : Normal Phase (65), Lightfoot (237), Suburban Plankton (308), Gnarly (313)

Three votes.
* Visorslash : Silver Jan (95), Mahaloth (124), PetW (190)

One vote.
* Septimus : Weedy (184)
* MHaye : Astral Rejection (186)
* Lightfoot : Scathach (329)
* Mahaloth : realitytrip (338)

[MHaye]

Vote count

Six votes

• Gadarene : NAF (91), ToeJam (120), Choie (+152, -341), Inner Stickler (197), Visorslash (236), Astral Rejection (+275, -277), BobAargh (307), lilflower (352)

Five votes.

• Astral Rejection : GuiriEnEspana (57), Gadarene (83), Septimus (317), Mhaye (331), Choie (341)

Four votes.

• Mosier : Normal Phase (65), Lightfoot (237), Suburban Plankton (308), Gnarlycharlie (313)

Three votes.

• Visorslash : Weedy (+94, -184), Silver Jan (95), Mahaloth (124), Septimus (+132, -317), PetW (190)

One vote.

• Septimus : Choie (+68, -152), Weedy 184
• MHaye : Astral Rejection (+186, -275, 277)
• Lightfoot : Scathach (329)
• Mahaloth : realitytrip (338)

NB: I've omitted any player who has been voted and unvoted for ease of reading.

My records show that there are six players who have as yet placed no votes; Drain Bead, Fubbleskag, Mosier, Red Skeezix, Storyteller and Tanaer. In addition glee has voted and unvoted without revoting.

Remember, I'm fallible, so if you think I've misrepresented a vote - yours or someone else's - please let me know and I'll publish a corrected version.

The above vote count is subject to correction from ATPG at any time.

[Normal Phase]

OK, I'm fine with how things stand or any of the likelier changes between now and an hour from now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

DAY ONE ENDS IN (just under) ONE HOUR.

I WILL NOT BE AT MY DESK. NO VOTES OR DAY ACTIONS WILL BE ACCEPTED BEYOND THIS POINT.

I will return a few hours after midnight to tally it up, post the results of the lynch, calculate the results of your day actions, and publicize the post-battle report.

You may continue to speak while this is in progress, you may also send in night actions beyond this point.

[GuiriEnEspaña]

Neither Mosier nor Gadarene has posted in the last 48 hours: Mosier's was #131 while Gadarene's was #156. Visorslash made his self defense vote over 24 hours ago in #236.

[choie]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

DAY ONE ENDS IN (just under) ONE HOUR.

I WILL NOT BE AT MY DESK. NO VOTES OR DAY ACTIONS WILL BE ACCEPTED BEYOND THIS POINT

Erm... to clarify, you mean no votes will be accepted beyond the point of EOD, right? Not beyond the point where you just posted?

[Askthepizzaguy]

EOD.

[choie]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

EOD.

whew.

[PetW]

I'm still quite happy with my vote on Visorslash. I just went through the sign up thread and his tone changed from mild ribbing (saying our forum is ugly), to talking about how he's going to kill everyone, right when the first and second third sets of PMs got sent out. Maybe it's too obvious, but it just seems very odd to me. I get the impression that he's the kind of guy that would get a kick out of hinting that he's scum in the beginning, after he first gets his role and is caught up in the excitement. Also, I know I'm Town, and I got my PM very late...

[PetW]

For reference, I'm talking about his posts around the 148 (ribbing) to around 270 (threats). Also, I acted very similar to him in my last mafia game, and I was scum, so I suppose that's why I zeroed in on it so much.
Oh, and I'm male, by the way.

[LightFoot]

I think Mosier had voted for Visorslash, but I don't know if it was formatted right

[Normal Phase]

It wasn't, according to the Demon Lord.

[choie]

Originally Posted by Normal Phase

It wasn't, according to the Demon Lord.

For those confused by alignments and so on, this implies that the Demon Lord is Lawful Evil.

[BobArrgh]

Originally Posted by choie

For those confused by alignments and so on, this implies that the Demon Lord is Lawful Evil.

Well, THAT certainly clears up any confusion I might have had.

[BobArrgh]

Last call for last-minute shenanigans.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by BobArrgh

Last call for last-minute shenanigans.

You made me laugh

[BobArrgh]

My work here is done!

[Mosier]

I did indeed mean to cast a legitimate vote for VS, but screwed it up with formatting. I won't make that mistake again.

I kept quiet for the past two days for two reasons, one being that I was out of town and didn't have casual computer access. The other is that it seems like the people who suspect me seem to take "I'm not scum" arguments as proof that I am indeed scum. I tried posting early, which was evidence of scummery, and I tried laying low, which is further evidence of scummery. Trying to figure out the psychology of this game takes a lot of time and effort, which I have, but also experience, which I don't have.

The argument against VisorSlash that I found persuasive, which has been (a bit suspiciously IMO) since redacted, is that his posts to that point had served only to add chaos, confusion, and emotion into the game, which serves scummy purposes more than the town. Suburban Plankton made that argument himself, but now claims it didn't actually happen. Baffling.

[Gadarene]

Sorry, I was out of town for the weekend at a bed and breakfast and thought I would have internet access, but I didn't. I also wasn't expecting my Astral vote to legitimately make me the vote leader when all was said and done, but it is what it is, I guess.

Good luck, town. Take it down.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Calculating results.

Please stand by...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Gadarene (6): NAF1138, ToeJam, Inner Stickler, Visorslash, BobArrgh, lilflower

Astral Rejection (5): Guiri, Gadarene, septimus, MHaye, choie

Mosier (3): Lightfoot, Suburban Plankton, gnarlycharlie
Visorslash (3): Silver Jan, Mosier***, Mahaloth, PetW

Lightfoot (1): Scathach
Mahaloth (1): realitytrip
Septimus (1): Weedy
MHaye (1): Astral Rejection

Abstain/Unvote/Present (1): Glee,
　
***- Vote not bolded, therefore not legal


23 players will gain 1 experience level today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

All Day Actions are recorded. Calculating outcome.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok, an error in the host's tally.... correcting.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Gadarene (6): NAF1138, ToeJam, Inner Stickler, Visorslash, BobArrgh, lilflower

Astral Rejection (5): Guiri, Gadarene, septimus, MHaye, choie

Mosier (4): Lightfoot, Suburban Plankton, gnarlycharlie, Normal Phase

Visorslash (3): Silver Jan, Mosier***, Mahaloth, PetW

Lightfoot (1): Scathach
Mahaloth (1): realitytrip
Septimus (1): Weedy
MHaye (1): Astral Rejection

Abstain/Unvote/Present (1): Glee,
　
***- Vote not bolded, therefore not legal



This corrects the missing Normal Phase vote.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The order to place the following votes was done before the 5pm deadline, for the record.

Vote: Mosier
Vote: Mosier
Vote: Mosier



_______________________________




And now, the corrected tally with "tally affecting" power changes. Yes, those numbers are accurate.

Mosier (8): Lightfoot, Suburban Plankton, gnarlycharlie, Normal Phase, Askthepizzaguy, Askthepizzaguy, Askthepizzaguy
Gadarene (7): NAF1138, ToeJam, Inner Stickler, Visorslash, BobArrgh, lilflower

Astral Rejection (5): Guiri, Gadarene, septimus, MHaye, choie

Visorslash (3): Silver Jan, Mosier***, Mahaloth, PetW

Lightfoot (1): Scathach
Mahaloth (1): realitytrip
Septimus (1): Weedy
MHaye (1): Astral Rejection

Abstain/Unvote/Present (1): Glee,
　
***- Vote not bolded, therefore not legal

[Askthepizzaguy]

It is the year 10,432...

It is the sixth day of the sixth month. The sun is beginning to set.



Godsmack- The Enemy
Hey Mister, backstabbin' son of a bitch
You're livin' in a world that'll soon be dyin'
And I know everybody knows you try to be like me
But even at your best as a man, you couldn't equal half of me

I am realizing that everybody's lost their simple ways
And now that it's here, I see it all so clearly
I've come face to face with the enemy, the enemy

You, you're another shit talkin' punk to me
You're a living inspiration for what I never wanna be
And I see you've been blinded by what you believe
And now back up and sit down, shut up and act like you need to be

I am realizing that everybody's lost their simple ways
And now that it's here, I see it all so clearly
I've come face to face with the enemy, the enemy

Come to me, come to me
The enemy come to me, come to me

So predicting you're the reason why I lie
Simple decision took me too much time to fly
Oh, checkmate

I am realizing that everybody's lost their simple ways
And now that it's here, I see it all so clearly
I've come face to face with the enemy, the enemy
Come to me





The group is unsure what to make of this massive, hulking beast. But without thinking twice, they can sense that it is hostile, and they charge to meet the Demon Lord on the field of battle.

"You are fools, if you think you are prepared to face me as you are. You're not even close to a threat to my power..."

Nevertheless, they tried to attack. But the Demon Lord was so monstrous, so powerful, and towered over them so, that they were mostly frozen with FEAR.

A few brave souls decided to attack. One of their weapons makes contact.

Lord Phere takes 80hp damage.

The great Demon Lord barely flinches. The blow doesn't even faze the massive beast, but another plucky Adventurer approaches, and takes another swing.

Lord Phere takes 80hp damage.






"HA HA HA HA HAAAA....

I SUMMON FOUL BEASTS FROM THE DEPTHS OF HELL, TO PLAY WITH YOU FOOLISH ONES!!!

HAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!"

The ground began to shake violently, and from beneath the earth came a horde of demonic creatures, an entire army of hellish fighters.

The Demon Lord Phere just stood back and laughed, as the Adventurers set to work defending themselves against this violent mob.

In the melee, some of the Adventurers were wounded. But in the confusion, they could not tell who was attacking whom... in fact, most of the damage was self-inflicted.

Was it by design? Or was it accidental?

Nevertheless...

Lightfoot takes 25hp damage.

"Hey! Cut it out!" Shrieks Lightfoot.

"I'll protect you, Visorslash!" shouts someone else.

Inner Stickler takes 75hp damage.

"I'll protect you, BobArrgh!" shouts another.

Glee takes 13hp damage.

"I'll protect you, Visorslash!" shouts Inner Stickler. "Woah! What the hell is that?" he says, diving out of the path of danger. A magical orb hits Visorslash directly in the chest.

Visorslash takes 100hp damage.

"Yes, pathetic weaklings, yes... taste but a TINY FRACTION of my extraordinary POWER!!!"

ToeJam takes 50hp damage.

"I'll protect you, Inner Stickler!" shouts someone else."Yowza! Maybe I shouldn't have done that!"

GuiriEnEspana takes 50hp damage.



"Now, I will finish you off... come closer, that I might annihilate you!"


Faced with the overpowering might of the Demon Lord, and weary from dispatching his summoned army of violent creatures, the Adventurer group orders a full retreat.

But before they do, they ask one to stay behind and distract the Demon Lord, that they might escape.

"You stay behind, Gadarene!" they shouted.

"No, I'd rather stay with you guys if that's all right..." he said, hesitantly.

"You can't seem to decide, so I'll decide for you! BWAHAHAA!!! THIS ONE, THIS ONE MUST DIE!!!"

"EEEEEK!!!!" Shouted Mosier. "Why do they always pick on the new guy!?!"



*CRUNCH*


Mosier, not Gadarene, was slain by the Demon Lord.



The rest of them escaped.


The Aftermath:

Upon inspection of his remains, they noticed that Mosier seemed to be dressed like an ordinary Soldier, and there was nothing sinister about him. Reluctantly, they were forced to conclude that a Good Adventurer was sent to his untimely demise.











Begin "The First RETREAT"
(Night One)


OOC:
Night One has begun.
You may send in night actions. You may Askthepizzaguy any game-related questions you might have, please bold and green if you wish the response to be OOC and from the game host.

Otherwise, just speak ITS name and you shall have your answer...

Night One will end in approximately 62 hours, or 17:00 (5:00PM) Eastern Time (GMT-05:00, US & Canada), Wednesday April 11th 2012.





Still able to fight:

1. Mahaloth
2. Drain Bead
3. Suburban Plankton
-
5. Scathach
6. Fubbleskag
7. Weedy
8. Gadarene
9. PetW
10. Astral Rejection
11. gnarlycharlie
12. NAF1138
13. septimus
14. GuiriEnEspana
15. Inner Stickler
16. Lightfoot
17. Silver Jan
18. choie
19. BobArrgh
20. Tanaer
21. Red Skeezix
22. Normal Phase
23. MHaye
24. RealityTrip
25. Lilflower
26. glee
27. Visorslash
28. storyteller0910
29. ToeJam
30. Askthepizzaguy

Not in any condition to fight: [Dead]

4. Mosier- Soldier [Good]




ROUND OVER SUMMARY:
Lord Phere takes 80hp damage.
Lord Phere takes 80hp damage.
Lightfoot takes 25hp damage.
Inner Stickler takes 75hp damage.
Glee takes 13hp damage.
Visorslash takes 100hp damage.
ToeJam takes 50hp damage.
GuiriEnEspana takes 50hp damage.
Mosier is slain by Demon Lord Phere [see vote tally]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Missing from update: (Apologies, still working out how this all works...)

Red Skeezix takes 60hp damage.

[septimus]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Otherwise, just speak ITS name and you shall have your answer...

Err ... Phere, Sir? Yahweh? יהוה ? Baʿal Zəbûb? IT?

W T F ?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by septimus

err ... Phere, sir?

"What do YOU want, pond scum?!?"

[Normal Phase]

Did you really decide, or was that just poetic license for a regular tie-break in which Mosier gained at least two votes on Astral and one on Gadarene, somehow?

[Astral Rejection]

Originally Posted by Normal Phase

Did you really decide, or was that just poetic license for a regular tie-break in which Mosier gained at least two votes on Astral and one on Gadarene, somehow?

I interpreted those as some kind of power.

I guess this means resurrection isn't a part of the game.

[Normal Phase]

Oh never mind, I didn't even read the post before the update. Three extra votes placed on Mosier by some secret power (and a couple other unadvertised extra votes, one on Mosier and one on Gadarene).

Well. Whether this means what it looks like or not, I sort of expect to wake up dead. I guess I should finish what I had to say about MHaye, no?

[NAF1138]

Yes you should.

This game is interesting. I hope I live long enough to figure out what the heck is happening.

[Normal Phase]

Well, the color itself says who's holding the reins of the demon lord, so there's not really a whole lot to be thought about, is there?

[gnarlycharlie]

AWESOME!!!

i too want to live long enough to understand this.

[Normal Phase]

I mean, unless the traitor player has an enormous amount of vote-altering power to play around with, then that would seem a great deal of effort just to make Astral and/or Gadarene look bad. I could see it being a bit of both if Astral is scum and Gadarene not (in which case Guiri's got the target on his butt should that slippery bastard actually be town, and not me; and in which case those last couple of votes on Gadarene also need scrutiny *waves at Bob and especially lilflower*), but yeah. Anyway.

[Scathach]

Originally Posted by Normal Phase

Well, the color itself says who's holding the reins of the demon lord, so there's not really a whole lot to be thought about, is there?

It does? I've read it twice now and I don't see what you're getting at?

[Normal Phase]

All right, Mhaye's first vote post (on Silver Jan).

Originally Posted by MHaye

Some thoughts on Visorslash voters.

OK, here's my base issue. Townies usually do not proceed like this, progressing from "this is a bad badwagon so somebody on it must be scum, let's look at all of them one by one (and see who's scummy)". It would seem a logical thing to do, but it rarely happens, I think because townies usually form their impressions more organically -- they see something scummy, they vote for it. It's scum who so often seem to do it this way instead, top-down instead of bottom-up.

Firstly, from the pregame chatter I formed an impression that Visorslash likes aggressive play, trash-talks other players (at lest those he is familiar with) and swings hard. His votes, and attacking ATPG, show this approach.

Weedy's vote looks to me to be a joke vote based off a comment by Visorslash. It's since been removed.

Well clearly it was a joke vote, but is that worth completely ignoring her otherwise? Weedy is slippery as scum, so I'm always wary. Anyway.

Silver Jan's vote seems to be for Visorslash voting for Renata. I don't consider it well grounded. I note that it has not yet been removed.
Mahaloth's vote is also unsubstantiated. This may be because Maha has a significant rl issue taking front and centre in his life right now. It was the third vote at the time, but Maha's been around long enough to know that, and probably didn't care anyway.

No real problem with this so far.

Septimus's vote is also poorly grounded. Part of it is based on Visorslash's post 105, which is clearly an “I don't care” response to Normal Phase's preceding post. It has been removed – see post 317, in which Septimus describes it as a “placeholder.”
PetW's vote in post 190 was explained in post 188, for refusing to answer questions, one of which I interpreted as a bit personal. (I wouldn't give my age out either, PetW).

Likewise, seems accurate.

I don't really see anything very suspicious in this except for Silver Jan's ungrounded vote and my dislike of PetW's question on ages. I need to review votes on Gadarene as well. I did a fast reread of Silver Jan's posts made after her vote.

but but but -- Septimus placed his "placeholder" vote on someone who already had votes, which is unusual to begin with, and didn't remove it until he was challenged. If Jan and PetW are suspicious for their votes, I fail to see why Septimus should not also be -- of all three of them, he is the ONLY one whose posts suggest possible falseness right on their face, instead of by reading into them. So I'm having issues with the honesty of the analysis here already.

Post 138: Categorised her own vote as “having no legs” and claims surprise at the other votes.
Post 140: Asks Maha to explain his vote.
Post 142: Explains why her vote is still on Visorslash.
Post 148: Doesn't have a handle on Visorslash's style.

While Silver Jan seems to have some reasons for her vote, she also admits that the reasons for her vote could just be his style, and that is not a good reason. IMO it smacks of trying too hard to justify something she's getting a little heat for.

Vote Silver Jan for now.

On the contrary, my impression was that she didn't much try to justify her vote at all. She gave a half-baked vote for a half-baked reason and kinda left it at that. I just plain do not buy this analysis as accurate. It reads much more plausibly to me as "hey a bunch of townies and maybe a scum or two put crappy votes on Visorslash, and I need a vote -- which of those can I argue most plausibly for as being scum?" In other words, scum thinking, not townie thinking.

And finally -- who the heck uses THIS many words to wind up with such a weak vote? It's visible effort out of all proportion to the result -- it looks contrived.

[Normal Phase]

Originally Posted by Scathach

It does? I've read it twice now and I don't see what you're getting at?

Not the write-up's color, the game description/color/rules/whatever. It describes the traitor as having taken control of the King/Demon Lord, so these are clearly the traitor's own extra votes, by proxy.

[GuiriEnEspaña]

Astral, the extra votes, both visible and hidden, put your concerns about vote shenanigans into a different light. Which were you responsible for, the one on Gadarene or the three on Mosier?

As for the Day attacks and protections, I'm bemused by the apparent transparency of Day protectors but not attackers and I note that 3 of the 5 victims had some sort of protection.

[Scathach]

Originally Posted by Normal Phase

Not the write-up's color, the game description/color/rules/whatever. It describes the traitor as having taken control of the King/Demon Lord, so these are clearly the traitor's own extra votes, by proxy.

Ah, ok. Are you splitting the Mosier votes from the extra Gadarene vote? I'd actually been assuming that all the extra votes were the result of the "tally-affecting powers", but the traitor having extra votes does make a certain amount of sense colour-wise I guess.

[Normal Phase]

Originally Posted by GuiriEnEspaña

Astral, the extra votes, both visible and hidden, put your concerns about vote shenanigans into a different light. Which were you responsible for, the one on Gadarene or the three on Mosier?

As for the Day attacks and protections, I'm bemused by the apparent transparency of Day protectors but not attackers and I note that 3 of the 5 victims had some sort of protection.

Guiri, there were actually four on Mosier -- the three visible in the write-up, plus one more.

And yeah I'm confused about a lot of that too.

[Normal Phase]

Originally Posted by Scathach

Ah, ok. Are you splitting the Mosier votes from the extra Gadarene vote? I'd actually been assuming that all the extra votes were the result of the "tally-affecting powers", but the traitor having extra votes does make a certain amount of sense colour-wise I guess.

There were a total of five extra votes if I counted right. Three in the write-up on Mosier, attributed to the demon lord and probably belonging to the traitor -- if I have to guess, these would be in addition to and separable from his or her public vote. (Part of my reasoning about all this assumes that he would not be able to do this every day, because then almost no scum ever gets lynched on the first try -- a buffer that large is too much to ask of any town to produce reliably.) One on Gadarene that only shows up in the final tally. And one on Mosier that only shows up in the final tally.

[Scathach]

Originally Posted by Normal Phase

There were a total of five extra votes if I counted right. Three in the write-up on Mosier, attributed to the demon lord and probably belonging to the traitor -- if I have to guess, these would be in addition to and separable from his or her public vote. (Part of my reasoning about all this assumes that he would not be able to do this every day, because then almost no scum ever gets lynched on the first try -- a buffer that large is too much to ask of any town to produce reliably.) One on Gadarene that only shows up in the final tally. And one on Mosier that only shows up in the final tally.

I actually missed that 3 of the Mosier votes were attributed to AskThePizzaGuy. I agree that the traitor seems like the most plausible explanation for that. Seems like we have to have a reasonable buffer of votes on the lynch leader to ensure no lynch shifting by the Demon Lord.

The extra Mosier and extra Gadarene vote were then presumably the tally affecting power/powers.

Also, with all the attacks, if we could somehow agree to coordinate them, it could effectively be a second lynch no? Although the lack of accountability in that the attackers names aren't revealed makes this a bit risky.

Given that the Demon Lord definitely does lose HP, is it possible that if everyone concentrated their attacks on him, we could "kill" the Demon Lord. If we did, would that result in the loss of the extra votes for the traitor / negate some other power of the traitor?

[GuiriEnEspaña]

Originally Posted by Scathach

Also, with all the attacks, if we could somehow agree to coordinate them, it could effectively be a second lynch no?

Do you mean discussing and then deciding on a second lynch candidate in the game thread, hoping a decent number of attackers of the right elements submit a Day action in time to attack the selected player, hoping none of the protectors choose the same target, and that scum couldn't do anything about it if the target is scum? Or did you have something else in mind?

[Scathach]

Originally Posted by GuiriEnEspaña

Do you mean discussing and then deciding on a second lynch candidate in the game thread, hoping a decent number of attackers of the right elements submit a Day action in time to attack the selected player, hoping none of the protectors choose the same target, and that scum couldn't do anything about it if the target is scum? Or did you have something else in mind?

well it sounds stupid when you put it like that

But yeah essentially that is what I meant. Any protectors who target the same person seem to be revealed, so they'd have to do their own explaining. Obviously, trying to agree on something like this is a game of mafia is like herding cats, so it's probably unworkable, but the ability to attack is interesting and potentially powerful, particularly if coordinated in some way.

[GuiriEnEspaña]

I didn't intend to suggest it was a stupid idea, I was just thinkng through what would need to happen for it to effectively become a second lynch and how feasible that would be.

A privately arranged group attack might have a little more success however, in order to get sufficient numbers to cause death, the risk of infiltration is high.