[Mafia game] The Realm of Phere

[choie]

Originally Posted by gnarlycharlie

i'm not sure what you're worried about. barring recruitment, you can't become scum or town because of an alignment change. at least that's that's how i understand it. all you've done is imply you have a class that requires a specific alignment and therefore not vanilla.

...No, it's more that I want a class that requires a specific alignment.

Originally Posted by fubbleskag

something isn't automatically underhanded just because it takes place outside the game thread; I know that this is a foreign concept on the dope, but it's something ATPG has done more than once elsewhere

True enough, but I don't think trading votes for items, especially when the person clearly intended to gain the most from all these secretive exchanges appears to be the only person who knows what these gems do, is either wise or pro-Town. I can't fathom why anyone would take you up on this agreement when you have the knowledge and they have none.

If it was open and aboveboard, why not make the offer in public? My guess is: because you want to pick up the most pretties in the end, and because you know how they work.

I'll ask it plainly: how does this help Town, fubbles?

[gnarlycharlie]

Originally Posted by fubbleskag

something isn't automatically underhanded just because it takes place outside the game thread; I know that this is a foreign concept on the dope, but it's something ATPG has done more than once elsewhere

I would expect so as well.

this is what i meant when people would find private communication suspicious. PMing and chatting are just tools. it can be used to coordinate attacks, to try to catch a suspected scum in a slip, to try to get a townie to say something suspicious (if you're scum), negotiate with people (ex fubbles) on services.

can you imagine fubbles and someone posting 20 times on thread to agree on a price? what if you want to conceal what items you have? don't tell me that's scummy. after all only glee has declared ownership of an item.

use or not use, that's up to you. just don't consider it a bad thing.

[gnarlycharlie]

Originally Posted by choie

...No, it's more that I want a class that requires a specific alignment.



True enough, but I don't think trading votes for items, especially when the person clearly intended to gain the most from all these secretive exchanges appears to be the only person who knows what these gems do, is either wise or pro-Town. I can't fathom why anyone would take you up on this agreement when you have the knowledge and they have none.

If it was open and aboveboard, why not make the offer in public? My guess is: because you want to pick up the most pretties in the end, and because you know how they work.

I'll ask it plainly: how does this help Town, fubbles?

it helps town if townies get their items identified. they will have to trust him. as i said before, there's no incentive for dishonesty. if he is dishonest, he's dead. is that clearer?

[Astral Rejection]

Vote: sapphire ring to fubbleskag.

Please note: he will not be voting for me for an item. We made our own terms, which I'd prefer remain secret for now.

[choie]

I woudln't want price haggling back and forth in the game thread, true, but I felt the original announcement of the offer should've been in public, so at least everyone knows what's going on.

It could very well be I'm just not cut out for a pizzaguy game, where chaos reigns supreme, but I've gotta be me, and "me? is someone who prefers openness as much as possible when it comes to gameplay (within limits, obviously). We Townies have little enough information as it is, for pete's sake. That's the whole premise of the game. I want info so we have more of a level playing field with Scum. And rightly or wrongly, I just can't help not trusting secretive people when Town is so starved for info.

[Gadarene]

Originally Posted by fubbleskag

how about you just share all your information with us, rather than playing 20 questions - you can do that without revealing your "source". refusing to share information that that the rest of us don't have seems anti-Town to me.

Why do you care so much, if you're not Third Party?

Someone I've been talking to relayed something that someone they had been talking to said about a Third Party win condition to amass as much wealth as possible. The person that I've been talking to noted that such a win condition fit your behavior to a tee, and I agree.

You haven't exactly been allaying my suspicions with your responses.

[Gadarene]

fubbleskag is obviously Third Party. Not sure why Astral is helping him.

And not sure how voting on these pendants and such is helping us catch scum.

[fubbleskag]

Originally Posted by choie

I woudln't want price haggling back and forth in the game thread, true, but I felt the original announcement of the offer should've been in public, so at least everyone knows what's going on.

It could very well be I'm just not cut out for a pizzaguy game, where chaos reigns supreme, but I've gotta be me, and "me? is someone who prefers openness as much as possible when it comes to gameplay (within limits, obviously). We Townies have little enough information as it is, for pete's sake. That's the whole premise of the game. I want info so we have more of a level playing field with Scum. And rightly or wrongly, I just can't help not trusting secretive people when Town is so starved for info.

I would have thought that as soon as two of us voted items for each other without any in-thread discussion it was pretty obvious what's going on.

I'm not sure how your second paragraph even remotely relates to vote swapping anyway.

[fubbleskag]

Originally Posted by Gadarene

Why do you care so much, if you're not Third Party?

why would I have to be 3rd party for the information to be useful to me? is the information about this 3rd party of no use to Town?

Originally Posted by Gadarene

Someone I've been talking to relayed something that someone they had been talking to said about a Third Party win condition to amass as much wealth as possible. The person that I've been talking to noted that such a win condition fit your behavior to a tee, and I agree.

the guy who cuts my sister's husband's brother's hair says you're full of shit.

Originally Posted by Gadarene

You haven't exactly been allaying my suspicions with your responses.

If you keep withholding the information you have about this 3rd party, you might want to focus on allaying our suspicions of yourself.

[Gadarene]

Originally Posted by fubbleskag

If you keep withholding the information you have about this 3rd party, you might want to focus on allaying our suspicions of yourself.

What are you talking about? I've told you what I know. And by your reaction you're clearly Third Party, so we don't really need to continue this exchange.

Deal with fubbleskag at your peril, people, and hope that if he achieves his win condition it doesn't mean that the rest of us lose.

[choie]

Originally Posted by fubbleskag

I would have thought that as soon as two of us voted items for each other without any in-thread discussion it was pretty obvious what's going on.

I'm not sure how your second paragraph even remotely relates to vote swapping anyway.

It relates to secret vote pimpery (you didn't mention in your PM that you were doing any other vote swapping deals). This really isn't hard to fathom, is it? Also, I don't like the idea of the one person able to identify items also trying to amass more goodies than anyone else. "Oh, this one isn't worth much, I'll take it off your hands for 5 gold."

Eh, might as well start the day off already with a tentative

vote fubbleskag

[Weedy]

Originally Posted by Gadarene

On my part? Really? Seemed like standard POG stuff. What about it didn't you like?

No, choie's post I didn't find particularly Townie. Not particularly Scummy or anything, but I don't understand what struck you about it.

[Suburban Plankton]

Originally Posted by fubbleskag

speaking of alignment, "Good" doesn't necessarily mean "Town" - so we shouldn't be making any assumptions about the Towniness of any of our dead brethren so far, I should think.

This is a good observation, though I suppose one could make the argument that Scum would almost by necessity be Evil.

Regarding the Day's other news...

Obviously, fubbleskag and Visorslash worked out a deal with each other to try to acquire a couple items Today.

Whatever.

Anybody who doesn't like it can just do something like this:

Pendant: Suburban Plankton
Sapphire: Suburban Plankton
Emerald: Suburban Plankton

And while we're at it

vote Gadarene

Either open up your magic bag and let us see what's inside, or shut up. Besides, my cat assures me you're Scum.

[Astral Rejection]

Vote MHaye.

Now bed. Case making and revisiting thornier players tomorrow.

[fubbleskag]

Originally Posted by choie

It relates to secret vote pimpery (you didn't mention in your PM that you were doing any other vote swapping deals).

I didn't mention it because it should have been obvious - I'd already publicly swapped votes with someone else prior to making a similar offer to you.

Originally Posted by choie

This really isn't hard to fathom, is it?

is the rhetorical implication that I'm a fucking moron necessary?

Originally Posted by choie

Also, I don't like the idea of the one person able to identify items also trying to amass more goodies than anyone else. "Oh, this one isn't worth much, I'll take it off your hands for 5 gold."

what makes you think I'm the only person that can identify items? even if I am, it's clear from the write-up that this may not always be the case. also, it's not technically possible for me to amass more goodies than anyone else.

[Astral Rejection]

Thornier? "Other."

Autocorrect fail.

[fubbleskag]

bedtime for real this time; 2 hours later my wife is furious and I've eaten half a pie. goddamnit.

[Weedy]

Originally Posted by Astral Rejection

Well, I'm with you fellas.

[/o brother where art thou]

Wow, this game has turned into Survivor.


Scum won't necessarily vote as a bloc here, because if one gets busted, everyone who is allied with them will come under suspicion. These kinds of in-thread things are good for Town (not like the attacks, which are anonymous).

choie seems on the same wave length as me, not for any one post, but her general cautiousness about all these goings on. Choie, want to work together?

[ToeJam]

Originally Posted by choie

It relates to secret vote pimpery (you didn't mention in your PM that you were doing any other vote swapping deals). This really isn't hard to fathom, is it? Also, I don't like the idea of the one person able to identify items also trying to amass more goodies than anyone else. "Oh, this one isn't worth much, I'll take it off your hands for 5 gold."

I gotta agree. I'm just not sitting well with the fact that secret negotiations are being carried out behind the threads without a good paper trail.

FOS Fubbles

And VisorSlash- I really don't like asshole tactics. I mean, they have a time and a place, so if you're playing some master strategy fair enough. But our fair town needs to work together, and your behavior... well it's not really helping us out. And the fact that you're working with fubbles behind the scenes. Just =\

Also, just WIFOM, but to whoever said they were surprised by the healing- Clerics in D&D games are known as having "light/healing" magic. Clerics seem like the likeliest people to heal. And usually they and Pallys (paladins) tend to be of the Good alignment stereotypically, but in D&D they can fall and be Evil as well.

[septimus]

As I've said, I think Lightfoot, gnarlycharlie, Normal Phase, choie, and GuiriEnEspaña are all Townies, and I hope some of them advertise their desire to win one of the magic items. If other Townies cooperate, at least we can ensure these items don't pass to Scum or 3rd Parties.

[GuiriEnEspaña]

Originally Posted by Gadarene

So since both Inner and Glee were "slain by Demon Lord Phere," does that maybe suggest that we should be attacking him, if he is the focal point of the attacks against us?

As others have said, I suspect this is just color for the scum kill although two kills give me pause.

Originally Posted by Visorslash

Anyway, I did attack Lord Shitforbrains.

Do you know if the attack had any effect on your moral or law alignment? If so, if there's no better target, this could be a preferable way to shift alignment without shooting at random.

Originally Posted by Visorslash

Nice try to kill me once again.

Stayin' Alive!

You've lost 200 hp and are still alive, wow!

Originally Posted by choie

I, er, take it Guiri was healed by someone else, rather than his own powers, though I guess there's no way of knowing either way.

Someone else, and thank you whoever you are.

Originally Posted by choie

Sad that our previous Night's revelations re: who protected whom seems to have scared everyone off from Inner and glee--and I wonder if it's a coincidence that Phere went after them, when the previous Night these two who had been protected.

Possibly they thought that Bob and I knew something about Glee and Inner which made them worth protecting. Or possibly they wanted to prevent Glee from finding out about that pendant.

@ Fubbles, did Inner contact you about his object?

Originally Posted by choie

Maybe he (the demon) figured out that Guiri and Bob weren't planning on repeating their protections, especially since the protecting action is being publicized. Everyone's clearly now afraid of having our actions revealed!

Or maybe it simply wasn't an option.

Originally Posted by choie

I'm not jeopardizing my alignment with such under-the-table activities!

Do you have any reason to believe that voting for objects would affect your alignment? I prefer for these activities to be held under the table as then they don't clutter up the thread.

Originally Posted by fubbleskag

speaking of alignment, "Good" doesn't necessarily mean "Town" - so we shouldn't be making any assumptions about the Towniness of any of our dead brethren so far, I should think.

Maybe, but the mod specifically said "there was nothing sinister about [them]" for Mosier, Glee and Inner so for now I'm willing to believe they were not threats to Town.

Originally Posted by septimus

As I've said, I think Lightfoot, gnarlycharlie, Normal Phase, choie, and GuiriEnEspaña are all Townies

Do you have any thoughts on who is scum?

[Visorslash]

I don't think attacking the demon gained or lost me and alignment thingy.

[fubbleskag]

occurred to me randomly this morning that the Demon Lord seems to be carrying out both the Town lynches and the Scum night kill(s?), so I don't expect to be able to kill Him as doing so would render the game severely broken in my opinion

[Visorslash]

Vote: Gadarene

Just putting my vote down. Back later.

[Normal Phase]

I want MHaye dead, and it's killing me how little attention Astral has gotten since he was almost lynched.

vote: MHaye

[Gadarene]

Originally Posted by Suburban Plankton

This is a good observation, though I suppose one could make the argument that Scum would almost by necessity be Evil.

Regarding the Day's other news...

Obviously, fubbleskag and Visorslash worked out a deal with each other to try to acquire a couple items Today.

Whatever.

Anybody who doesn't like it can just do something like this:

Pendant: Suburban Plankton
Sapphire: Suburban Plankton
Emerald: Suburban Plankton


And while we're at it

vote Gadarene

Either open up your magic bag and let us see what's inside, or shut up. Besides, my cat assures me you're Scum.

Bite me, jackass. I don't have a magic bag. The person who told me this stuff can elaborate himself, if he wants. I'm not acting as a mouthpiece for hearsay any more.

[Gadarene]

Originally Posted by Visorslash

Vote: Gadarene

Just putting my vote down. Back later.

Sigh. GIVE SOME ACTUAL REASONING, PLEASE. This is so tilting. I've participated a ton and the people who are voting me are giving bullsh*t reasons or none at all.

[septimus]

Originally Posted by GuiriEnEspaña

Do you have any thoughts on who is scum?

Town-hunting is always easier than scum-hunting and identifying Town is particularly important in this game due to PM exchange ability, protections, awarding deads' tools, etc.

I had a slight scum lean on Astral D1, which hasn't changed. The case against MHaye looks plausible; I'll study it over the coming hours and may join that bandwagon.

I live in Thailand which is entering its annual Songkran Water Festival. There's a chance I may end up inebriated, participating in infamous mud orgies, and incommunicado ...

[Visorslash]

Originally Posted by Gadarene

Sigh. GIVE SOME ACTUAL REASONING, PLEASE. This is so tilting. I've participated a ton and the people who are voting me are giving bullsh*t reasons or none at all.

A famous man, our host, once said something along the lines of scum are more likely to get frustrated when things like this happen.

I said LATER. Let me enjoy the remnants of my life.

[fubbleskag]

Originally Posted by ToeJam

I gotta agree. I'm just not sitting well with the fact that secret negotiations are being carried out behind the threads without a good paper trail.

you are playing the wrong mafia game, then. and if this is the basis for your FOS, then you need to wag your other 9 fingers as well - there are plenty of people taking part in out of thread conversations; if you're not, you're in the minority.

[fubbleskag]

Originally Posted by Gadarene

Bite me, jackass. I don't have a magic bag. The person who told me this stuff can elaborate himself, if he wants.

Visor you seem to be a lightning rod for insults, poor fellow.

Originally Posted by Gadarene

I'm not acting as a mouthpiece for hearsay any more.

graped for truth

Originally Posted by septimus

I live in Thailand which is entering its annual Songkran Water Festival. There's a chance I may end up inebriated, participating in infamous mud orgies, and incommunicado ...

inebriated and participating in a mud orgy sounds like the perfect time to be posting here, just for the record.

[Visorslash]

Originally Posted by fubbleskag

Visor you seem to be a lightning rod for insults, poor fellow.

graped for truth

inebriated and participating in a mud orgy sounds like the perfect time to be posting here, just for the record.

To be fair, that was one of the few insults in this thread not directed at me. That was to Suburban Plankton.

[Weedy]

Originally Posted by septimus

As I've said, I think Lightfoot, gnarlycharlie, Normal Phase, choie, and GuiriEnEspaña are all Townies, and I hope some of them advertise their desire to win one of the magic items. If other Townies cooperate, at least we can ensure these items don't pass to Scum or 3rd Parties.

I don't think Astral Rejection should be getting an item today, given the way the lynch went yesterday. I'd vote to prevent that.

[Astral Rejection]

Good thing nobody's talking about giving me one, then!

[PetW]

So far the scum have managed to kill 3 of us, and we haven't lynched a single person yet. We have a 0% chance of finding scum if we continue this way. I propose the following strategy:
1. Vote as normal.
2. Tally votes by the beginning of the last (lowercase) dayparking before nightfall.
3. Agree as a group to place all of our votes on the leader, regardless of personal belief, to create a strong enough majority to ensure a real lynch and prevent a repeat of Day 1.
We need to get organized.

Vote Gadarene : I wasn't on this bandwagon until I saw his "go get 'ema Town" goodbye. Now he claims to notthe be vanilla, coyly brags about this secret information he has from unnamed sources, yet scum didn't bother targetting him. My #1last scum suspect for now.

Fubbleskag is my #2, and that's purely because I think anyone whose primary (and secondary and tertiary, apparently) goals are greed, must not be up to any good. I'm afraid of what he may be rewarded with when he acquires too much wealth. To simply have some merchant-type class who simply wins by collecting X amount of gold seems a little pointless and trite to me. I have a feeling Askthepizzaguy has a twist in there somewhere.

Visorslash is now my #3. I realize it's in his character to be boastful and abrasive, but I think the degree to which he's done so is scummy. Also, as I mentioned earlier, his tone seemed to turn in the sign up threads right around the time PMs came out.

[PetW]

Please let me know if you're with me on consolidating votes before Nightfall.

[PetW]

Please forgive the weird words that get inserted at the end of some words, I'm still working from my phone. It's looking like my computer won't be fixed for a while

[Normal Phase]

Originally Posted by PetW

So far the scum have managed to kill 3 of us, and we haven't lynched a single person yet. We have a 0% chance of finding scum if we continue this way. I propose the following strategy:
1. Vote as normal.
2. Tally votes by the beginning of the last (lowercase) dayparking before nightfall.
3. Agree as a group to place all of our votes on the leader, regardless of personal belief, to create a strong enough majority to ensure a real lynch and prevent a repeat of Day 1.
We need to get organized.

Vote Gadarene : I wasn't on this bandwagon until I saw his "go get 'ema Town" goodbye. Now he claims to notthe be vanilla, coyly brags about this secret information he has from unnamed sources, yet scum didn't bother targetting him. My #1last scum suspect for now.

Fubbleskag is my #2, and that's purely because I think anyone whose primary (and secondary and tertiary, apparently) goals are greed, must not be up to any good. I'm afraid of what he may be rewarded with when he acquires too much wealth. To simply have some merchant-type class who simply wins by collecting X amount of gold seems a little pointless and trite to me. I have a feeling Askthepizzaguy has a twist in there somewhere.

Visorslash is now my #3. I realize it's in his character to be boastful and abrasive, but I think the degree to which he's done so is scummy. Also, as I mentioned earlier, his tone seemed to turn in the sign up threads right around the time PMs came out.

Excuse me while I say "BAH".

unvote, vote PetW

I may switch back to MHaye or even elsewhere, but this deserves formal recognition. On my way out, back in a bit.

[Gadarene]

Originally Posted by septimus

Town-hunting is always easier than scum-hunting and identifying Town is particularly important in this game due to PM exchange ability, protections, awarding deads' tools, etc.

I had a slight scum lean on Astral D1, which hasn't changed. The case against MHaye looks plausible; I'll study it over the coming hours and may join that bandwagon.

I live in Thailand which is entering its annual Songkran Water Festival. There's a chance I may end up inebriated, participating in infamous mud orgies, and incommunicado ...

I agree completely with the first paragraph, and I'm very jealous of the third paragraph.

Originally Posted by Visorslash

A famous man, our host, once said something along the lines of scum are more likely to get frustrated when things like this happen.

I said LATER. Let me enjoy the remnants of my life.

This is ridiculous.

[Suburban Plankton]

Originally Posted by Gadarene

Bite me, jackass. I don't have a magic bag. The person who told me this stuff can elaborate himself, if he wants. I'm not acting as a mouthpiece for hearsay any more.

Maybe you shouldn't have started acting as a mouthpiece in the first place. You're the one who claimed to have 'inside information', then as soon as you were called on it you started backpedaling.

So...do you know something about fubbleskag, or don't you? If you do, then what's the point of telling us that you know something, but not telling us what it is? You could have PM'ed fubbleskag if you didn't want to make it public. And if you don't actually know anything, then what was the point of your accusation?

[fubbleskag]

Originally Posted by Visorslash

To be fair, that was one of the few insults in this thread not directed at me. That was to Suburban Plankton.

Originally Posted by Normal Phase

Excuse me while I say "BAH".

lol, ed

[Gadarene]

Originally Posted by suburban plankton

maybe you shouldn't have started acting as a mouthpiece in the first place. You're the one who claimed to have 'inside information', then as soon as you were called on it you started backpedaling.

So...do you know something about fubbleskag, or don't you? If you do, then what's the point of telling us that you know something, but not telling us what it is? You could have pm'ed fubbleskag if you didn't want to make it public. And if you don't actually know anything, then what was the point of your accusation?

i told you what i know.

I was relayed details of a win condition that was not a scum win condition and not a town "eliminate all scum and other threats"-type win condition. It was a win condition that was consistent with fubbleskag's behavior. I drew an inference.

I'm not going to out the pm exchange that provided me with the information.

And how the fuck does any of this make me scummy, anyway?

Jesus.

[Gadarene]

Oh, and what was the point of my accusation? BECAUSE I WANTED TO SEE HOW HE REACTED, GENIUS.

[NAF1138]

Hey everyone, just posting to say that I am right in the middle of preping my second final project for the semester and will be too busy to play for...probably the rest of the Day. I promise that I will be here for Day 3 and that I will be caught up and ready to play for a little while at least.

In the absence of a quality vote to put down I will vote to

abstain

I haven't read the thread at all since my last posting, and I am not going to put my name to a vote I don't have a feel for.

[Normal Phase]

There there, Gadarene. I know it's tough when you're scum and all the accusations against you suck rocks.

[Gadarene]

Originally Posted by Normal Phase

There there, Gadarene. I know it's tough when you're scum and all the accusations against you suck rocks.

What about when your town and all the accusations against you suck rocks? Is it tough then?

[Normal Phase]

Heh. Crappy accusations against me as town tend to make me just a wee bit unhinged.

[PetW]

Originally Posted by Normal Phase

Heh. Crappy accusations against me as town tend to make me just a wee bit unhinged.

Speaking of which, care to elaborate on your vote, and my proposed strategy?

[Normal Phase]

In a little while, I'm too busy right now to write a long post.

[fubbleskag]

Originally Posted by Gadarene

I was relayed details of a win condition that was not a scum win condition and not a town "eliminate all scum and other threats"-type win condition. It was a win condition that was consistent with fubbleskag's behavior. I drew an inference.

question for you: how many players would you guess to have such a win condition in this setup?