Hey Obama, don’t screw this up

[River Hippie]

Originally Posted by mhendo

As far as i can tell, it's only "widely believed" by stupid people, and also by people who would be very unlikely to vote for Obama even if he came to their house and personally presented them with a gift-wrapped semi-auto.

As a gun enthusiast in a very gun friendly state I spend a lot of time talking guns with people, many quite reasonable, that are concerned that the right wing propaganda that Obama is waiting for the second term to try to drastically restrict gun ownership might be true. There are plenty of other issues to be addressed if he's reelected and offering an olive branch now to 2nd amendment supporters could go a long way.

[ladyfoxfyre]

Originally Posted by River Hippie

As a gun enthusiast in a very gun friendly state I spend a lot of time talking guns with people, many quite reasonable, that are concerned that the right wing propaganda that Obama is waiting for the second term to try to drastically restrict gun ownership might be true. There are plenty of other issues to be addressed if he's reelected and offering an olive branch now to 2nd amendment supporters could go a long way.

Bolding mine. You realize you haven't refuted anything mhendo said, right?

[River Hippie]

Originally Posted by ladyfoxfyre

Bolding mine. You realize you haven't refuted anything mhendo said, right?

The part about them not voting for Obama no matter what?

He won this state. That shocked me. This is a very gun friendly state, meaning a lot of those gun owners voted for him once.

[Evil Captor]

Originally Posted by BrainGlutton

Well, I was only talking about TV ads, not events or stump speeches or debates. Isn't positive better than negative for ads?

Sure, BrainGlutton. That's why nobody ever runs negative ads.

[Evil Captor]

Originally Posted by Blkshp

He did have a Democratic legislature. I think that's why they are disillusioned.

You guys need to watch The Young Turks and Russia TV on youtube. Many young people do. You will quickly learn why they are disillusioned. Basically, Obama is a Reagan Republican politically, not a progressive. And Wall Street owns him. That's why young people are disillusioned. And properly so.

[YogSosoth]

[quote=pkbites;15001148]
Liar. The first thing you read you don't like or agree with you'll start pointing shit out. Pat is not a candidate today and we're now talking 20 years ago.


No way, I don't want an argument right now. Just curious

Originally Posted by pkbites

But some things I really liked about Pat:

Supported Balanced Budget Amendment & tax cuts
100% pro-life
Support for death penalty
His stances on civil rights
His position on immigration
His belief in drilling for oil
His fervor to shut down the NEA
His isolationism stance as opposed to meddling in other countries affairs.
His position on free trade
His opposition to any form of gun control

What exactly is his stances on immigration, civil rights, or free trade?

[DoctorJ]

Originally Posted by River Hippie

As a gun enthusiast in a very gun friendly state I spend a lot of time talking guns with people, many quite reasonable, that are concerned that the right wing propaganda that Obama is waiting for the second term to try to drastically restrict gun ownership might be true. There are plenty of other issues to be addressed if he's reelected and offering an olive branch now to 2nd amendment supporters could go a long way.

Why on Earth would they believe him? After all, he's done everything short of produce video of his birth with girls in the background doing the goddamned hula, and a nontrivial number of people still won't believe he was born in Hawaii. Even if we allow that some reasonable people might be concerned about all the RW propaganda on this issue, they're still the sort of people who pay attention to RW propaganda, and who are generally inclined to believe the worst about Obama.

"Offering an olive branch" as you describe would only fuel the fire. They'd claim it was all part of his fiendish plot to lull gun owners into complacency so they won't stock up on guns before the election.

[kaylasdad99]

Originally Posted by Evil Captor

You guys need to watch The Young Turks and Russia TV on youtube. Many young people do. You will quickly learn why they are disillusioned. Basically, Obama is a Reagan Republican politically, not a progressive. And Wall Street owns him. That's why young people are disillusioned. And properly so.

And an Attila the Hun Republican would be better?

How the hell is that supposed to work?

[rogerbox]

Originally Posted by Evil Captor

You guys need to watch The Young Turks and Russia TV on youtube. Many young people do. You will quickly learn why they are disillusioned. Basically, Obama is a Reagan Republican politically, not a progressive. And Wall Street owns him. That's why young people are disillusioned. And properly so.

I'm a young person who watches almost every single Young Turks video that comes out, every day. And I am disillusioned, but not with Obama. It is with a country of old people that are selling out MY future for pennies on the dollar because they are too hateful to support universal healthcare which is the ONLY system that makes sense, and too racist to support (or at least, not obstruct every single bill and make the government DEFAULT) an amazingly moderate president because they have stated that their number 1 goal is to keep him from re-election, not actually y'know, governing.

Obama is not the progressive I voted for, but he has still done amazingly well with the worst of the worst of American politics against him. I will vote for him happily than some rich boy who SAYS OUTRIGHT HE IS NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE POOR.

[ladyfoxfyre]

Originally Posted by River Hippie

The part about them not voting for Obama no matter what?

He won this state. That shocked me. This is a very gun friendly state, meaning a lot of those gun owners voted for him once.

I was going to go with mainly the part about people who believe that to be true not being very smart. I don't think all gun owners believe that Obama is just two seconds away from taking away all our guns. But a lot of them do, because of propaganda put out by the gun lobby that really isn't based in any fact. I just had this argument with my dad about a month ago, he is also convinced that Obama will take away all the guns next term. I also consider him to be a very smart man. So why does he think so? Well, he read a lot of very reasonable, rational articles in Gun Enthusiast and he is convinced now.
My attempts to press him for facts that demonstrated any such intent was met with "well of course he's not going to do anything *now*, but once he gets reelected...."
Your gun friends are likely the same way. Any acknowledgement of the "taking your guns away" conspiracy will only fuel the fire. "See, he knows we are on to him! Why would he be trying to placate us now if it wasn't a trick?"

That's how conspiracy theories work. They aren't based on fact, and evidence to the contrary is met with "Yeah, but that's just what they want you to think..."

[Zakalwe]

Originally Posted by pkbites

But some things I really liked about Pat:

Supported Balanced Budget Amendment & tax cuts
100% pro-life
Support for death penalty
His stances on civil rights
His position on immigration
His belief in drilling for oil
His fervor to shut down the NEA
His isolationism stance as opposed to meddling in other countries affairs.
His position on free trade
His opposition to any form of gun control

Okay, so pkbites wants 18th century america (i.e., ineffectual at defending our own shores - let alone "meddling", life expectancy about 30% less than it is now, and an illiterate population). Got it.