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Old 04-26-2012, 06:57 PM
Earl Snake-Hips Tucker Earl Snake-Hips Tucker is offline
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Does the Tropic of Cancer pass thru Hawaii?

This is a philosphical question, not a factual one.

The Tropic passes between two small islands in the state of Hawaii, but does not actually cross land anywere. So. . . In your opinion, does that count as crossing thru Hawaii, and if so, why?

In my opinion, the answer is "Yes," but I'm wrestling with a good explanation of "Why?" other than it does pass between the northern and southern boundaries of the state. Is that good enough?

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Old 04-26-2012, 07:45 PM
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Of course it does. Hawaii includes a lot of water but it's still Hawaii.

Lets use another example that might make it a little clearer. Say there was a river that bisected a state and it ran along a line of latitude or longitude. Even if the line never left the river you would say that it went through the state right?
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:04 PM
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Sure. Just like you can cross a picket line even though you pass in the empty space between the individuals constituting it.
Another way to look at it: neither Hawaii nor the Tropic of Cancer exists only at sea level. Hawaii is a solid, contiguous mass, much of which is under water. The Tropic of Cancer is a theoretical plane extending outward from the center of the planet.
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:58 PM
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Of course. If you're on a boat between, say, Maui and the Big Island, you're still in Hawaii . . . just the part that's under water.

You don't have to be on land to be in a particular geographic entity. If you're on the Great Salt Lake, you're still in Utah.
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:04 PM
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States waters only extend 3 miles from the shore (except in the Gulf of Mexico), so probably not. I'm looking on Google Earth, and I can't find any islands that come that close. If it doesn't pass through Hawaiian waters, then IMO it doesn't really pass through Hawaii any more than someone passes through the US when they go to Vancouver.

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Old 04-26-2012, 11:20 PM
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States waters only extend 3 miles from the shore (except in the Gulf of Mexico), so probably not. I'm looking on Google Earth, and I can't find any islands that come that close. If it doesn't pass through Hawaiian waters, then IMO it doesn't really pass through Hawaii any more than someone passes through the US when they go to Vancouver.
Are the rules the same when you are talking about island groups? If state waters only extend three miles from shores, then, in most cases, you will be crossing the high seas when passing between pretty much any two of the Hawaiian islands: Oahu to Molokai, for instance, or even Lanai to Maui. It seems unlikely that the U.S. would not claim rights over those areas.

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Old 04-26-2012, 11:35 PM
Lord Feldon Lord Feldon is online now
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As of 1964, the federal government was content with that. The state government was apparently less happy about it, though. (US territorial waters now go out twelve miles, but the states still only get three.)

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Old 04-27-2012, 12:15 AM
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I think Sir Galahad had a brief layover at the airport on his way to America. I think that qualifies as him having passed through Hawaii.
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Old 04-27-2012, 09:28 AM
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The wiki page does not list the USA as a country through which the ToC passes.
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Old 04-27-2012, 09:40 AM
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I think Sir Galahad had a brief layover at the airport on his way to America. I think that qualifies as him having passed through Hawaii.
He should have stayed a bit for the lovely scenery of Hawaii. I hear they have plants and birds and rocks and things.
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Old 04-27-2012, 09:53 AM
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You can't go from an island that's on one side of the ToC to an island on the other without going through the ToC, so yes.

I still can't remember the fucking proof to Bolzano's theorem, or even what its "extended version" was called, but it's what applies here.
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:08 AM
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Not only does the ToC pass through Hawaii, technically it passes through Honolulu. Longest city in the world.
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