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Old 04-26-2012, 08:04 PM
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Is this blatant age discrimination?

The ad starts, "We are looking for a recent college graduate to start their career with...." Despite late bloomers, "recent college graduate" generally pegs the person as a twentysomething. There is nothing about the job that would make it more difficult to perform by an older person.

Is this blatant age discrimination?
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:37 PM
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You can graduate from college at any age.
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:45 PM
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It's also shorthand for "doesn't have a lot of experience and will therefore work for cheap."
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:12 PM
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I think it's more "experience discrimination" rather than age, but by the same token I bet they are expecting almost all applicants to be in their early 20s.
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:23 PM
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It's also shorthand for "doesn't have a lot of experience and will therefore work for cheap."
Yup, that's my experience too. Recent grads just want work and don't mind starting at the bottom.
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:38 PM
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In this economy old grads just want work and don't mind re-starting at the bottom.
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:44 PM
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Is this blatant age discrimination?
Yes. But is it unlawful age discrimination as defined under the Age Discrimination Act? Not likely, since as others pointed out anyone can be a "recent college graduate." However, if after a time it can be shown that the employer only hires recent college graduates in their 20s despite equally qualified recent college graduates age 40 or older who are not being considered, then there may be a case.
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:34 PM
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You can graduate from college at any age.
Make that SUBTLE age discrimination.

Can they ask when you graduated college? How about high school, which I suspect is a more reliable age indicator?
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:47 PM
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Is this blatant age discrimination?
Age discrimination? I suppose so.
Blatant age discrimination? No way.

Next question?
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:34 PM
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Make that SUBTLE age discrimination.

Can they ask when you graduated college? How about high school, which I suspect is a more reliable age indicator?
Wouldn't the dates you attended be on your transcripts?
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Old 04-27-2012, 11:04 AM
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Wouldn't the dates you attended be on your transcripts?
I have never had HR ask for transcripts, they ask for whether or not you have attended and which field of study ... they contact the educational facility directly and ask their questions of them.
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Old 04-28-2012, 08:06 AM
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I think it's subtle but not blatant, per the others.
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Old 04-28-2012, 06:04 PM
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Couldn't they also want someone who's educated on recent developments in the field? A lot might have changed since someone graduated, if that was decades ago.
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Old 04-28-2012, 06:23 PM
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Our standard job application has a spot to put in your date of graduation from college, but it's blacked out for the high school line. And yes, it's to avoid accusations of age discrimInation.
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