Good riddance to bad rubbish: Chuck Colson is dead

[BrainGlutton]

I recall an old Doonesbury from during the Watergate hearings. 3 panels showing Capitol Hill with those balloonless word-balloons Trudeau uses above it -- two Congresscritters talking -- "How are the hearings going?" "Terrible! Half the witnesses swear their boss can do no wrong, the other half swear he's a crook!" "Who's up next?" "Colson! And who knows what he'll say!"

4th Panel: Colson seated before the Congressional committee: "Jesus asked me to be here with you today."

[kaylasdad99]

Originally Posted by A Monkey With a Gun

Wait, what? I'm not defending Colson! God damn you're dumb. I just don't think Republicans are waging biological warfare on Africa. Do you? Der Trihs does and that belief is insane.

Originally Posted by pseudotriton ruber ruber

Cite?

Clarify, please. Cite that it's an insane belief, or cite that Der Trihs holds it?

[Library Boy]

Originally Posted by kaylasdad99

Clarify, please. Cite that it's an insane belief, or cite that Der Trihs holds it?

I think if you prove one, it pretty much takes care of the other.

[pseudotriton ruber ruber]

Originally Posted by kaylasdad99

Clarify, please. Cite that it's an insane belief, or cite that Der Trihs holds it?

Cite that Der Trihs ever expressed the belief that "Republicans are waging biological warfare on Africa."

[A Monkey With a Gun]

Originally Posted by pseudotriton ruber ruber

Cite that Der Trihs ever expressed the belief that "Republicans are waging biological warfare on Africa."

God damn, you're dumb. The cite you want is post 28. Did you even read this thread? The thing's been quoted four or five times already.

Originally Posted by Der Trihs

The Republicans have always essentially looked at AIDS as a biological weapon to kill gays and Africans; something to be encouraged, not stopped.

I suppose you could make a semantic case that that isn't outright "biological warfare", but if he believes that Republicans are encouraging the spread of what they view as a biological weapon to kill Africans, it's close enough.

[A Monkey With a Gun]

And for the record, I will never shed a tear for Colson. Let the motherfucker rot.

[pseudotriton ruber ruber]

Originally Posted by A Monkey With a Gun

God damn, you're dumb. The cite you want is post 28. Did you even read this thread? The thing's been quoted four or five times already.
I suppose you could make a semantic case that that isn't outright "biological warfare", but if he believes that Republicans are encouraging the spread of what they view as a biological weapon to kill Africans, it's close enough.

"essentially looked at" is a far cry from "waging." You need to learn how to read. Seriously. Don't hit "submit reply." Don't even bother composing the lame reply. Just go out and enroll in a "remedial reading for idiots" course. Today. Right now. Do it.

[A Monkey With a Gun]

God damn, you're just as bad as he is.

[Gyrate]

I blame Chuck Colson for this entire trainwreck of a thread.

[A Monkey With a Gun]

Originally Posted by pseudotriton ruber ruber

"essentially looked at" is a far cry from "waging." You need to learn how to read. Seriously. Don't hit "submit reply." Don't even bother composing the lame reply. Just go out and enroll in a "remedial reading for idiots" course. Today. Right now. Do it.

I will actually answer this. Let's look at this not with semantics, but with logic.

"Republicans have always essentially essentially looked at AIDS as a biological weapon to kill gays and Africans"

A biological weapon to kill. That's what he is saying. They look at AIDS as a biological weapon to kill.

That's insane.

[Der Trihs]

Originally Posted by A Monkey With a Gun

I will actually answer this. Let's look at this not with semantics, but with logic.

"Republicans have always essentially essentially looked at AIDS as a biological weapon to kill gays and Africans"

A biological weapon to kill. That's what he is saying. They look at AIDS as a biological weapon to kill.

That's insane.

No, it's what they themselves have been saying every time they claimed it was God's judgment on homosexuals.

And "insane"? Not wrong, but insane? Since when is accusing a group known to be bigoted of enjoying the deaths of the people they hate "insane"? Especially when so many openly gloat over those deaths. Your own position is far closer to "insane"; your absolute denial of even the possibility of Republican bigotry, to such an extent that anyone who thinks they are bigots is not merely wrong, but "insane".

[pseudotriton ruber ruber]

See, now one of the first things you could learn from your "remedial reading for idiots" course" (you HAVE signed up, haven't you? Or do you want some help filling out the application form?) is that the word "essentially" (or the words "basically," "figuratively," or the expressions "as if" or "in essence") is a CLUE that the words that immediately follow will be a kind of metaphor or other imaginative, not-literal summation. In your further coursework, you'll learn that overlooking this basic fact will lead you to make what is known as a "strawman" argument, a fallacy in which you attack statements that your antagonist has not actually made. This allows you to jump up and down on what you think is the corpse of your defeated antagonist but which is actually a pile a straw, while everyone else points fingers at you and proclaims how dumb you are. HINT: this is generally considered undesirable, and should be avoided by people not wishing to earn a reputation for massive dumbness.

[A Monkey With a Gun]

Dudes, insanity is standing by a viewpoint when all facts prove otherwise. Lobohan, who is as left wing as they come, also pointed this out. Bush started PEPFAR for Christ's sake's.

Republicans are people, too.

Except for Colson, I'm pretty sure that guy was born of from some unholy union between a lizard and and a weasel.

[Dissonance]

Originally Posted by Der Trihs

No, it's what they themselves have been saying every time they claimed it was God's judgment on homosexuals.

Who the hell is they? Again, aside from nut bags like Jerry Falwell who in fact is not a spokesman for the Republican Party, show where the Republicans have been saying AIDS is God's judgment on homosexuals, openly gloat over their deaths and have encouraged the use of AIDS as biological warfare against homosexuals (oh, and black people. You keep forgetting you said they want to kill non-white people with AIDS too). Still no comment on Koop, the Evil Xian Repug who launched an unprecedented campaign to combat the spread of AIDS including advocating the use of condoms and sex education in schools demonstrating the proper use of a condom to the horror of religious extremists opposed to birth control, much less sex outside of heterosexual marriage?

And "insane"?

Yes, insane. You are a crazy person. Four people have already told you that your statements in this thread alone are those of a crazy person. That and there was that bout of paranoia where you claimed to be having your worlds distorted in order to slander you which was clearly a creation in your own mind in total variance with reality. You are capable of being reasonable, but as soon as something involving the Republicans or religion is mentioned you are incapable of rational thought and dive headlong into the deep end of insanity, honestly believing that Republicans and all religions are composed of nothing but murderous bigots gloating over how many people they kill without any hyperbole. That is insane. You and Falwell have a lot in common in your view of the world, but only an idiot would claim the nonsense you spout is indicative of the views held by everyone on the left and/or atheists. I should know, I’m on the left and think you’re bat shit insane when it comes to these two issues.

[A Monkey With a Gun]

Let me quote that cite, Der Trihs, (OK, it's wikipedia, but still...)

Originally Posted by wikipedia

PEPFAR has been called the largest health initiative ever initiated by one country to address a disease.

So you can both shut the fuck up. Republicans (a group I am decidedly not a member of) do not "essentially looked at AIDS as a biological weapon to kill gays and Africans".

That's conspiracy theory thinking. It's insane.

[pseudotriton ruber ruber]

Originally Posted by A Monkey With a Gun

do not "essentially looked at AIDS

In your advanced coursework (many, many years from now), you will study how to quote so that your grammar makes sense. Meanwhile, I'd work on that "remedial reading for idiots" if I were you...

No one is talking about Bush's policies here. Der Trihs specifically referred to Reagan-era policies which, at best, treated AIDS as "not our problem" and neglected to act quickly against it, refused to spend resources on allowing it to spread, and through their neglect, displayed a total lack of regard for the health of AIDS-sufferers everywhere, and especially in Africa. The fact that later generations of Republicans have been less callous in this regard doesn't begin to mitigate the criminal self-interest of the Republicans now under discussion, however much you try to shift the focus away from them.

There are big words in the previous paragraph. Ask your mommy to explain them to you.

[A Monkey With a Gun]

There is simply no point in this. This is my last post in this thread. Colson is worm food, you're an idiot, and red shirt is insane.

I'm done.

[kaylasdad99]

Originally Posted by pseudotriton ruber ruber

In your advanced coursework (many, many years from now), you will study how to quote so that your grammar makes sense. Meanwhile, I'd work on that "remedial reading for idiots" if I were you...

No one is talking about Bush's policies here. Der Trihs specifically referred to Reagan-era policies which, at best, treated AIDS as "not our problem" and neglected to act quickly against it, refused to spend resources on allowing it to spread, and through their neglect, displayed a total lack of regard for the health of AIDS-sufferers everywhere, and especially in Africa. The fact that later generations of Republicans have been less callous in this regard doesn't begin to mitigate the criminal self-interest of the Republicans now under discussion, however much you try to shift the focus away from them.

There are big words in the previous paragraph. Ask your mommy to explain them to you.

See, the problem here, prr, is that the sins you describe above appear to apply to the Republican Party of a generation ago; and Der Trihs, if post 28 is to be taken as an indication, sees those sins as equally applicable to the party today.

Originally Posted by Der Trihs

They pretty much are the same thing. The Republicans have always essentially looked at AIDS as a biological weapon to kill gays and Africans; something to be encouraged, not stopped.

ETA: Please consider reworking the portion of your quoted text that I have highlighted with various tags; it's reading a little incoherent.

[Docta G]

Originally Posted by Snowboarder Bo

The fucker finally died, at 80 years old.

Sorry, but I don't buy into the born-again thing, especially not for someone as devious and cynical as Colson was, so no, he doesn't get any credit for working the God angle. He was a son of a bitch and a fucking traitorous asshole.

He will not be missed.

Working the God angle only made him more of a douchebag.

[SteveG1]

To hell with that guy. Really. to hell with him.

[robert_columbia]

Originally Posted by Gyrate

I blame Chuck Colson for this entire trainwreck of a thread.

I blame your mother.

[digs]

So, wait... Chuck Colson is Gyrate's mother?

(Sorry-- I stopped paying attention thirty posts ago)

[Gyrate]

In retrospect, the pipe should have been a giveaway.

But he made an amazing chicken paprika.