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English as the "official" language of the US
I know, at least I don't think, that it ever was. I'm wondering about requirements that other languages be used.
What landmark legislation or court cases started the ball rolling? Federal or state. Initially and even now, are there distinctions between the need for other languages in order to assist citizens vs other residents? How about efforts to restrict the official use of other languages that have been successful or were struck down by the courts? |
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In 1849 the California Constitution established English and Spanish as the official languages of California. It was rewritten in 1879 to be English-only.
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You have to "Be able to read, write, and speak English ..." to take out U.S. citizenship:
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/usc...00b92ca60aRCRD |
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There is an interesting article about this topic on Wikipedia:
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Well, serious question: if (big if!) the legislature in California, for whatever reason, wrote and passed a bill that was written en espanol, and the Governor signed it, would there be any real constitutional reason for it to be overruled by the courts solely because of its language? (Maybe just a pointless proclamation, say, declaring Cinco de Mayo an honorary holiday?) Sure, some people would object, but is it constitutionally dubious?
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About 100 years ago, a state law banning fellatio and cunnilingus was struck down by the CA Supreme Court on the grounds that "fellatio" and "cunnilingus" were not words of ordinary use in the English language. |
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(Not at all because I doubt you; just that I want to bookmark that one to my favorites list forever!) |
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There is also a link to an English-only Movement page where I found this.. "On August 11, 2000, President Bill Clinton signed Executive Order 13166, "Improving Access to Services for Persons with Limited English Proficiency." The Executive Order requires Federal agencies to examine the services they provide, identify any need for services to those with limited English proficiency (LEP), and develop and implement a system to provide those services so LEP persons can have meaningful access to them." That's the closest thing I could find to any Federal involvement. I would think that some of the states have applied English-only as regards voting and that the Feds would not approve and have done something about it. Anybody? |
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There is an interesting case in Arizona:
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It makes sense for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that English is the common language of business in the USA. Another is that it reduces cost to government to print laws, ballots, etc. in only one language.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1277402.html Of course, from a General Semantics point of view, that all democracies should be monolingual. GS holds there is no such thing as an exact translation from one language to another. This poses obvious problems where laws are supposed to apply to everyone and statements by government officials should be understood by all citizens. Of course, if you don't want democratic government, then there isn't a problem. |
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An interesting topic here...
As described in earlier posts, you must speak English to become a U.S. resident. |
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On the other hand, a given state is free to adopt an official language, so long as they do not use it to deny civil rights to a minority. |
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That's the problem I have with these English only arguments. All of them beg the question. Why do you have to speak English to be an American? Spanish speaking people are just as able to be American as English speaking people. So are French speaking people or Latvian speaking people or Urdu speaking people. Democracy has nothing to do with the English language. The government shouldn't set a language and then tell the American people they have to speak that language. The government should look at what languages the American people are speaking and then the government should use those languages whatever they may be. Americans should be as free to choose their own language as they are to choose their own religion. |
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Would anyone dispute that if California adopted Spanish as its official language and enacted all laws in Spanish that this would put English speakers at a disadvantage and restrict their civil rights? So why should California do the same thing to Spanish speakers by adopted English as its official language? If people in California use English and Spanish then the government in California should use English and Spanish. |
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You seem to think that government should be conducted in English is a recent invention. If you want a Spanish speaking government, then you have a whole continent to choose from. Last edited by JoelUpchurch; 05-07-2012 at 12:18 PM. |
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I do not understand why some people are against the use of Hawaiian in Hawaii, French in Louisiana and northern Maine, Inuit in Alaska, German in North Dakota, or Spanish in New Mexico. Quote:
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Says who? Canada? Ireland? France? Spain? Switzerland? The European Union as a whole? India?
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Despite that, there is no requirement that a person born here speak English at all to be considered a full citizen.
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Under the Help America Vote Act, election materials need to be provided in alternate languages if the most recent Census shows a certain percentage of a particular county (or parish, I suppose, in LA) are solely proficient in that language.
Back when I worked elections a decade ago, that meant King County needed to have Chinese language ballots and materials, while Yakima County needed Spanish. |
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Last edited by Polycarp; 05-07-2012 at 04:04 PM. |
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BTW that must have been an interesting job. I wager Snohomish County now has a high demand for Russian ballots. |
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Exactly how many people who are born and raised in the United States, do you think, don't speak English? Naturalized citizens are required to read to read write and speak English.
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Do you support Basque separatism? Do you believe Quebec should be its own country? How about Wales? In India there are 30 languages with at least 1 million speakers -- should it be split into 30 countries?
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2. Required to barely read, write and speak English, more like. I know lots of naturalized citizens who can hardly speak English at all. |
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I don't think so. I can learn English or Spanish. I can't learn to be black, white, or asian.
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I've already stated my opinion that the EU is trying to destroy democracy in the Europe. |
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The English requirements for citizenship are not very strong. Do you deduce from that that all of the hundreds of languages that immigrants speak should be supported also? Do you actually think that reducing the United States to a tower of babel will strengthen democracy. |
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To me, what keeps a democracy strong is the willingness to allow differences to exist. Last edited by Little Nemo; 05-07-2012 at 09:58 PM. |
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Read my previous posts. I would also suggest reading S. I. Hayakawa's book, "Language in Thought and Action".
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That's it? A reading assignment? Citing someone's opinion is not like citing evidence or fact. Having heard some of what Hayakawa has had to say, I have no interest in reading further. Why don't you make your citation into argument if you think it's so good?
And your previous posts do not establish either facts or reasoning to establish that democracy has been destroyed anywhere by multilingualism. As I pointed out before, your statements are nothing but conclusions. Bring an actual argument. |
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Do you actually think the current situation in India is actually good. If you don't speak Hindi, then you are a second class citizen. Look how much blood has been shed in Africa trying to force people who don't have a common language and culture to live under a single flag. |
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You have no idea what you're talking about.
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I think this thread was accidentally closed during the move from General Questions.
I am re-opening it. |
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Utter nonsense.
Multiple democratic countries currently function quite nicely with large segments of the population speaking separate languages. |
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This has nothing to do with whether a people that chooses to unite under one banner needs to speak to each other in the same language. Switzerland, Belgium, Canada, and India have all survived quite nicely despite having multiple languages. Have there been conflicts between the various peoples divided by a language? Sure. Just as there have been conflicts between peoples of the same nation over the allocation or resources, trade, finance, religion, and other issues. Has it led to the actual dissolution of any of those nations? No. |
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My understanding is, in India, if you don't speak English, you're a second-class citizen.
Last edited by BrainGlutton; 05-08-2012 at 12:08 AM. |
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Maybe that's what we need to do in the United States. Avoid the controversy over English and Spanish by adopting Latin as our official language. Last edited by Little Nemo; 05-08-2012 at 02:15 AM. |
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And I have read that in Quebec, Canada, they have some sort of a language police which fines restaurant owners who put up menus in English only. The Swiss are doing all right, I guess. |
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The requirement is higher to join the group than to belong to it. And as someone who grew up under threat of death by those people you support, please imagine for a moment we're in the Pit, eh? Last edited by Nava; 05-08-2012 at 03:39 AM. |
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Language is an issue in Quebec, (although appealing to 30 year old tantrums hardly makes your point), but it is, again, a cultural marker for economic divisions, not a point that is actually tearing apart the country. |
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