Petrus Romanus - who is the predicted last pope?

[greenlife]

a quick look at the 900y old prophecies of the popes show the next one is the last one in the list. BUT the current pope Benedict 16 has the LAST NUMBER ASSIGNED! (111 Glory of the olive)
The longest paragraph for the pope after pope N111 does not have a number assigned by St Malachy.

Does it mean Benedict is Petrus Romanus? May be not.
Why then no number given by Malachy for the roman bishop that appears to be 267th successor of St Peter? Does it mean Petrus Romanus will not be canonically elected as a pope of the whole church, but only as a bishop of Rome?

For those who need background info, pls review http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes as well as the numerous internet and youtube comments.

"In the extreme persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit [i.e., as bishop].
Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations:
and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed,
and the terrible judge will judge his people.
The End."

[DrFidelius]

Oh. That wil be me. I have a grass-roots write in campaign underway, and have been wining and dining Cardinals for years.

I am concurrently breeding battle-sheep to level Rome.

[Latro]

Beware the Sheep at March

[greenlife]

Benedict 16 has every chance to be the pope of the officially released (part of) the 3rd secret of Fatima. JPII was never killed, neither were scores of bishops, priests and laymen, on a mountain, by soldiers, as the vision says. And because Petrus Romanus reigns already amidst destruction, and is not killed by it, remains the pope that will fulfill the (official) Fatima 3, is exactly Benedict. There is no other left.

[DrFidelius]

Petrus Romanus literally translate to "the rock of Rome." Given that you are shifting the predictions for the current Pope from his predessor, this indicates we can shift one letter in the descriptor for the Final Pope.

So 'rock of Rome' becomes "Rock and Roll," showing that the end times had been predicted and are occurring now, ever since the rise of that Godless, Communist music. (This ties in very closely with the "destruction" of the traditional Catholic Mass with Vatican II. Coincidence or the workings of prophesy?)

[Who_me?]

Originally Posted by greenlife

Benedict 16 has every chance to be the pope of the officially released (part of) the 3rd secret of Fatima. JPII was never killed, neither were scores of bishops, priests and laymen, on a mountain, by soldiers, as the vision says. And because Petrus Romanus reigns already amidst destruction, and is not killed by it, remains the pope that will fulfill the (official) Fatima 3, is exactly Benedict. There is no other left.

Except that the whole thing is made up crap.

[Czarcasm]

Originally Posted by greenlife

a quick look at the 900y old prophecies of the popes show the next one is the last one in the list. BUT the current pope Benedict 16 has the LAST NUMBER ASSIGNED! (111 Glory of the olive)
The longest paragraph for the pope after pope N111 does not have a number assigned by St Malachy.

Does it mean Benedict is Petrus Romanus? May be not.
Why then no number given by Malachy for the roman bishop that appears to be 267th successor of St Peter? Does it mean Petrus Romanus will not be canonically elected as a pope of the whole church, but only as a bishop of Rome?

For those who need background info, pls review http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes as well as the numerous internet and youtube comments.

"In the extreme persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit [i.e., as bishop].
Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations:
and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed,
and the terrible judge will judge his people.
The End."

On a related note, did you know that the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary?

[Tapioca Dextrin]

Originally Posted by greenlife

and the terrible judge will judge his people.
The End."

So the world ends not with a bang, but Judge Mathis?

[Der Trihs]

Originally Posted by Tapioca Dextrin

So the world ends not with a bang, but Judge Mathis?

Well, the Christian god does have a record of being sadistic...

[BobLibDem]

I don't know, it seems to me that some of the predictions are uncannily accurate. I'd say this monk beats the crap out of Nostradamus.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Originally Posted by BobLibDem

I don't know, it seems to me that some of the predictions are uncannily accurate. I'd say this monk beats the crap out of Nostradamus.

It's not terribly difficult to predict things accurately when they've already happened. There's no evidence at all that the prophecy was written any earlier than the 16th century.

[PacifistPorcupine]

Originally Posted by greenlife

For those who need background info, pls review http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes ...

So a list first published in 1595, which oddly enough seems surprisingly specific and accurate for the popes before 1590 yet gets a lot less specific and the "hits" a lot more tenuous for the popes after? I smell a rat.

[BrainGlutton]

If the last pope is to be named Peter . . . well, no pope since St. Peter has taken that name, and probably none ever will. What's more, we might never see another pope who is "Romanus," that is, a native of the Diocese of Rome.

[The Hamster King]

Originally Posted by greenlife

BUT the current pope Benedict 16 has the LAST NUMBER ASSIGNED!

And Time Lords only get 13 regenerations. But if the franchise needs The Doctor to regenerate a 14th time, a retcon will be invented. Pope stuff works the same way.

[BobLibDem]

Originally Posted by Really Not All That Bright

It's not terribly difficult to predict things accurately when they've already happened. There's no evidence at all that the prophecy was written any earlier than the 16th century.

Fine, stipulate that. But it still seems that #254, 263, 264, 265, and 266 seem quite remarkable. John Paul I, of the half moon, begun his reign and died on the quarter moon. Quite a few well after the 16th century do seem to be apt.

[The Man With The Golden Gun]

Because when you want to see highly educated Phd scholars write meticulously researched and unfailingly historically accurate articles on theology, what better place to go than the comments section of a Youtube video.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Originally Posted by The Man With The Golden Gun

Because when you want to see highly educated Phd scholars write meticulously researched and unfailingly historically accurate articles on theology, what better place to go than the comments section of a Youtube video.

I think Edmund, Lord Blackadder, said it best:

Blackadder: It is said, Percy, that the civilized man seeks out good and intelligent company so that by learned discourse he may rise above the savage and closer to God.
Lord Percy: Yes, I'd heard that.
Blackadder: Personally, however, I like to start the day with a total dickhead to remind me I'm best.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by BrainGlutton

If the last pope is to be named Peter . . . well, no pope since St. Peter has taken that name, and probably none ever will. What's more, we might never see another pope who is "Romanus," that is, a native of the Diocese of Rome.

Of course, the first part of the prophecy might be fulfilled if they ever elect a pope whose baptismal name or family name, as opposed to his regnal name, is Peter or Petri or some cognate.

[GIGObuster]

As mentioned, the OP is based on a discredited prediction.

But I have to ask here is why if in Acts it was essential to have 12 leaders of the church, how come we end it up with only one?

[Really Not All That Bright]

All bishops are part of the apostolic succession, not just the Bishop of Rome. There are about 5,000 bishops, so there are the required 12, plus some extras.

[GIGObuster]

Originally Posted by Really Not All That Bright

All bishops are part of the apostolic succession, not just the Bishop of Rome. There are about 5,000 bishops, so there are the required 12, plus some extras.

Don't quite follow, if that is the case why then is not the pope the equal of all the bishops and why we do have cardinals?

[Really Not All That Bright]

Because the apostles were all equal. God hates democracy.

[saoirse]

Originally Posted by DrFidelius

Petrus Romanus literally translate to "the rock of Rome." Given that you are shifting the predictions for the current Pope from his predessor, this indicates we can shift one letter in the descriptor for the Final Pope.

So 'rock of Rome' becomes "Rock and Roll," showing that the end times had been predicted and are occurring now, ever since the rise of that Godless, Communist music. (This ties in very closely with the "destruction" of the traditional Catholic Mass with Vatican II. Coincidence or the workings of prophesy?)

But it wasn't Petrus Romanus...

It was Panulirus Interruptus!
Panulirus Interruptus!

[Ludovic]

"Knock knock"
"Who's there"
"Panulirus Interruptus!"

[kaylasdad99]

Originally Posted by Ludovic

"Knock knock"
"Who's there"
"Panulirus Interruptus!"

"Panulirus Interrup--"

"Dominus vobiscum!"

[DrFidelius]

Originally Posted by saoirse

But it wasn't Petrus Romanus...

It was Panulirus Interruptus!
Panulirus Interruptus!

Damn your eyes. Now I'm going to be hearing that guy's voice intoning Latin for the rest of the evening.

[YogSosoth]

I love how, in our lifetimes, we'll get to see the squirming of those who believe this stuff try to explain why the prophecy didn't come true. Benedict's only got a decade or two left, if that. So by the time the Playstation 6 comes out, this whole silly thing should be done with, unless somebody suddenly "discovers" another lost line or two of the prophecy

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by Really Not All That Bright

All bishops are part of the apostolic succession, not just the Bishop of Rome. There are about 5,000 bishops, so there are the required 12, plus some extras.

All priests are part of the apostolic succession, though they are not authorized to pass it on to another. (I've seen a plaque in a local Episcopalian church showing a sort of genealogical chart of the pastor's apostolic succession back to one of the apostles -- even the Anglican Communion subscribes to this.)

[Chronos]

Which, incidentally, is why Anglican priests who convert to Catholicism remain priests, recognized by the Catholic church. Though the situation is currently a bit muddled by the fact that Anglicans recognize female priests and bishops, while Catholics do not.

I think the same is true of Lutherans, but not most other Protestants.

[BrainGlutton]

The last pope will the one elected when Catholics have lost interest in the whole thing.

[Marley23]

greenlife, you have another thread that is still active. Please post to that one instead of clogging up this forum with unintelligible screeds.