Why do many people repeat the urban legend myth that Hitler was part Jewish?

[Captain Amazing]

Originally Posted by GermanicPride

There's no reason to doubt Johann George Hiedler was his (Alois's) father really.

There's some reason to suspect Johan Nepomuk Heidler (not Hiedler) was, but Johann George is also a possibility. The big argument against Johann Georg is that he never acknowledged paternity or did anything for the boy, (while Johan Nepomuk did) but he was a bit of a deadbeat anyway, so...

[Scumpup]

I'm not part of clan Hitler, but who supported whom is not a reliable gauge of paternity. My paternal grandfather looked after the offspring of one of his brothers in law just to avoid shame and keep the kid clothed and fed. My grandfather wasn't even that nice of a guy.

[handsomeharry]

Originally Posted by ludovic

::::running with it::: He painted a whole house in one day! Two coats!

ludo-vic!

ludo-vic!

ludo-vic!

:d:d:d:d:d:d

[Larry Borgia]

Originally Posted by Scumpup

Based on photos, he appears to have been a man who pommaded his hair. I wonder whether he favored Fop or Dapper Dan.

Hitler was clearly a Fop man.

[GermanicPride]

Originally Posted by DocCathode

So was my great- great paternal grandfather- a Jew.

I remember when I was 9 or so, Dad took me to a German Jewish pride festival. I danced to oompah music and ate so much sausage I threw up.

He clearly wasn't a full blooded Austrian if he was a Jew...or are you just taking the biscuit?

Originally Posted by SubaRhubarb

GermanicPride, mind if I ask you a question or 2?

Why does it matter to you personally?

As your name implies you are proud to be German, are you attempting to claim Hitler as a "purebred" German to be proud of, or are you trying to make Jews happy by clearing up the murk in the genetic pool?

German and Germanic are two different things, Germans are Germanic but there is more Germanic peoples than just Germans.

No most certainly not but it's interesting to find that how people think Germans are just from the country we call now Germany, this is not the case.

Jews don't belong in Europe no, it's astonishing there have their own Jewish state and yet only 41% of the world population live there that's less than half of the Jewish world population, irony or what?

Originally Posted by Dewey Finn

I'm curious; what other myths are there?

He was part Jewish.
He wasn't German.
He had one ball.
He wanted only blonde hair blue eyed people.
He wanted to take over the world.
He had urine fetishes.
He went with his niece.
He was a pedo.
He wanted war with Britain.
He had brown hair and brown eyes.
He hated Jews because the art academy people were Jewish.

There is millions, all false.

Originally Posted by qazwart

As someone with 100% Austrian and German ancestry (which are really one in the same), I don't see how this is something to brag about. It'd be like bragging how you're related to Ted Bundy, or living in the U.S. and bragging how your great, great, grandfather and Benedict Arnold fought on the same side.

Jewish or not, Austrian or not, Hitler instituted a bloody regime that resulted in the death of millions of people. And, I'm not just talking about the 10 million or so who died in extermination camps like Auschiwitz. I'm sure GermaticPride here would probably tell me that never happened, and besides that they deserved it.

Besides these massive extermination camps, Nazi Germany slaughtered hundreds and thousands of non-combatants, and were quite boastful of the fact. There was an official German policy of Lebensraum which had the stated goal of killing, deporting, or enslaving entire countries. There were the military Einsatzgruppen squads that were officially part of the army, and whose sole job was to round up and kill civilians, including thousands of women and children. There were the slaughters of entire cities in the name of retribution. Nazi Germany issued press releases whenever they did that.

And, let's not forget the Nazi crimes not just against Jewish Germans, but against non-Jewish Germans and Austrians. These included assassinations, confiscation of property, stripping of citizenship, and the round up of anyone not deemed fit. Hundreds of thousands of elderly and disabled people were slaughtered in the name of purifying the race.

Which highlights Hitler's and the Nazi regime's ultimate crime: Reducing the entire human existence into something resembling the Westminster Kennel Club. Like pure bred dog breeders, the Nazis were more interested in the shape of your ears, the length of your nose, how bushy your eyebrows were, or the color of your hair rather than if you were smart, capable, compassionate, or any of the hundreds of traits we think of as truly human. To the Nazis, even the Germans were nothing more than mere animals to be bred and put to work.

You want to be proud of your Germanic heritage? All the royalty of Europe are of Germanic origins. German technology and engineering is revered around the world. Germany rebuilt its shattered nation and became the keystone to European prosperity and unity. Because of Germany's central role, Western Europe has had a period of peace and prosperity stretching back over 65 years -- something entirely unprecedented in all of European history. Heck, Germany makes really good beer too. That's something you can definitely take pride in, and rub in America's face too.

What you should never take pride in is a brutal dictator who instituted a regime of slaughter of millions of people. Who brought the world into the bloodiest war it ever experienced, and who allowed his own nation to be destroyed because in the end he publicly proclaimed that the German people let him down and decided that the Germans themselves didn't have the right to live. It is sad when the enemy armies you're fighting have a higher opinion of you and your people than your own leadership.

I don't say that it didn't happen of course crimes were inflicted on Jews but nothing is black and white and it definitely is not true what everything is told to people of today what happened back then, lots of things don't add up - the gassing, the six million figure...and so forth.

I'm proud to be a National Socialist and my Germanic heritage, there is no shame in it - don't believe everything you are told my dear.

Well, there is some reason to doubt Johann Georg Hiedler was his paternal grandfather, that his paternal grandmother did not marry Johann until 5 years after Alois's birth, and that the parentage was not confirmed, and that it could have been Johann Goerg's brother, Johann Nepomuk. But that is hardly much evidence that it wasn't J. Georg. It certainly doesn't look good for the claim he was Jewish.

Unless anyone shows any evidence to prove otherwise and not a silly rumour then he was Hitler's grandfather, there isn't any credible evidence to suggest Hitler was part Jewish.

Originally Posted by Captain Amazing

There's some reason to suspect Johan Nepomuk Heidler (not Hiedler) was, but Johann George is also a possibility. The big argument against Johann Georg is that he never acknowledged paternity or did anything for the boy, (while Johan Nepomuk did) but he was a bit of a deadbeat anyway, so...

Not really, an explanation for Alois being sent to live on his uncle's farm as a child is that Hiedler and Maria were simply too poor to raise him, or could not raise him as well as his uncle, or perhaps Maria's health was in decline (she died when he was 10).

One thing is for certain though is that the Hitler family did have relatively close incest, his parents were first cousins once removed as Hitler's paternal grandfather and his maternal great-grandfather were brothers.

[orcenio]

Originally Posted by GermanicPride

He clearly wasn't a full blooded Austrian if he was a Jew...or are you just taking the biscuit? (snip)

I don't say that it didn't happen of course crimes were inflicted on Jews but nothing is black and white and it definitely is not true what everything is told to people of today what happened back then, lots of things don't add up - the gassing, the six million figure...and so forth.

I'm proud to be a National Socialist and my Germanic heritage, there is no shame in it - don't believe everything you are told my dear.

What a shocker. Obsession with Hitler, check. Obsession with Jews, check. Questionable username, check. Use of terms like "full blooded", check. Holocaust denial, pending...

...And actually, yes; there's loads of shame in being a boot-licking Nazi. Nazis are both mentally and socially defective.

[Blake]

Originally Posted by orcenio

Holocaust denial, pending...

Pending?

Originally Posted by GermanicPride

crimes were inflicted on Jews but nothing is black and white and it definitely is not true what everything is told to people of today what happened back then, lots of things don't add up - the gassing, the six million figure...

[GermanicPride]

Originally Posted by orcenio

What a shocker. Obsession with Hitler, check. Obsession with Jews, check. Questionable username, check. Use of terms like "full blooded", check. Holocaust denial, pending...

...And actually, yes; there's loads of shame in being a boot-licking Nazi. Nazis are both mentally and socially defective.

Face palm, does it hurt you?

Originally Posted by Blake

Pending?

Most certainly, refute me.

Show me one single document linking Hitler to the alleged Holocaust, signed or written!

Show me evidence Jews were gassed - Auschwitz gas chamber shown to people now is fake and reconstructed after the war.

Show me tests proving that any Zyklon B was used in any of the gas chambers (besides the ones for crematoriums and to disinfect the clothing of prisoners).

Show me evidence six million were killed.

Show me evidence the Nazis had a direct policy to exterminate Jews.

Show me evidence where the Nazis even mention a gas chamber or gassing.

Tell me why it's illegal to deny an alleged historical 'FACT' in so many countries...hiding the legend by laws.

[Blake]

And that removes any doubt.

[orcenio]

Originally Posted by Blake

And that removes any doubt.

There was no real doubt. Waiting for the paperwork to go though was just a formality.

[GermanicPride]

Originally Posted by Blake

And that removes any doubt.

Waiting?

[Scumpup]

Originally Posted by Larry Borgia

Hitler was clearly a Fop man.

We may need a poll here.

[KarlGauss]

Originally Posted by Dewey Finn

I'm curious; what other myths are there?

Well, not many people know it, but the Fuhrer was a terrific dancer.

[gamerunknown]

Actually, it's pretty interesting. I heard holocaust deniers went into a gas chamber with Zyklon B in order to demonstrate its lack of effectiveness and it didn't kill them: they'd inadvertently stumbled on the fact that the Nazis used an altered form of Zyklon B, though I'm not certain what it was treated with. Nazis didn't usually refer to the fact that they were executing prisoners of war, instead they used less callous terms like "processed" (whatever that may be in German).

Originally Posted by GermanicPride

there is no shame in it

Then why is affiliation with a Nationalist Socialist party and the wearing of their various accoutrements banned in Germany?

Originally Posted by GermanicPride

German and Germanic are two different things, Germans are Germanic but there is more Germanic peoples than just Germans.

Originally Posted by GermanicPride

Jews don't belong in Europe no, it's astonishing there have their own Jewish state and yet only 41% of the world population live there that's less than half of the Jewish world population, irony or what?

They say Germans don't have a sense of humour... What? You started it!

[gamerunknown]

Oh, totally forgot:

Originally Posted by GermanicPride

nothing is black and white

This is a sentiment I'd never expect from a Nazi. Is there anything objectively wrong with racial miscegenation?

[Dissonance]

Originally Posted by GermanicPride

Waiting?

Yes, we are all awaiting your banning. Hopefully we won't have too much longer to wait.

[C K Dexter Haven]

Originally Posted by GermanicPride

Face palm, does it hurt you?
Most certainly, refute me.
Show me one single document linking Hitler to the alleged Holocaust, signed or written!
Show me evidence Jews were gassed - Auschwitz gas chamber shown to people now is fake and reconstructed after the war.
Show me tests proving that any Zyklon B was used in any of the gas chambers (besides the ones for crematoriums and to disinfect the clothing of prisoners).
Show me evidence six million were killed.
Show me evidence the Nazis had a direct policy to exterminate Jews.
Show me evidence where the Nazis even mention a gas chamber or gassing.
Tell me why it's illegal to deny an alleged historical 'FACT' in so many countries...hiding the legend by laws.

The evidence is massive, and much of it is in the records that the Nazis kept themselves. There are plenty of photographs, there are plenty of eye witnesses, there is plenty of written records. However, those who are self-blinded by their own stupidity political views claim it's all a lie. "Show me" is saying that your eyes are closed.

You do yourself (and your cause) no service by denying historical reality. The devil-theory of history -- that all the ills of the world are cause by some group -- is designed to avoid having to deal with real troubles. It's way easier to deal with the outsider "devils" than to face and try to solve problems. It was way easier for Hitler and his cronies to blame the Jews for all of Germany's economic problems and defeat in WWI, than to actually try to take responsibility and address those problems. You seem to do the same thing, assuming that the evils of the Nazis are really all lies promoted by some world-wide conspiracy. Nutso.

EVEN IF you deny the murders, your excuse (I assume that you follow party-line) is that all those deaths were caused by disease and starvation. I counter: IF that were true (which I don't credit for one moment), then the Nazis are still responsible for setting up camps in which disease could run rampant and untreated. Regardless of the method of extermination, your political ideas were responsible for the murder of millions.

Originally Posted by GermanicPride

it's astonishing there have their own Jewish state and yet only 41% of the world population live there that's less than half of the Jewish world population, ...

For that matter, your "Germanic peoples" have their own state (Germany) and what percent of the Germanic peoples live there? There are huge German/Germanic populations living Austria, America, Argentina, ... Astonishing.

But, of course, there's no point arguing with a wall.

[Blake]

Originally Posted by C K Dexter Haven

However, those who are self-blinded by their own stupidity political views claim it's all a lie.

It's now acceptable to call people stupid in CoCC?

[FinnAgain]

Well, our Neo-Nazi OP didn't claim it was all a lie, so Dex's comment can't be referring to him.

[Gyrate]

Originally Posted by handsomeharry

The moustache! The moustache!

Originally Posted by GermanicPride

Hey, some people still sport it!

Like Robert Mugabe! Who has totes redeemed it, by the way.

[Peter Morris]

GP, there's something I don't understand. Please explain the following.

Why does it matter to you if Hitler was part Jewish? Why do you object to the idea?

Is there something wrong with it? Explain how being part Jewish is a bad thing.

[Fear Itself]

Originally Posted by GermanicPride

German and Germanic are two different things, Germans are Germanic but there is more Germanic peoples than just Germans.

No most certainly not but it's interesting to find that how people think Germans are just from the country we call now Germany, this is not the case.

Jews don't belong in Europe no, it's astonishing there have their own Jewish state and yet only 41% of the world population live there that's less than half of the Jewish world population, irony or what?

Why is it astonishing that most Jews don't live in Israel? Is it astonishing that most germanic people don't live in Germany? Do germanic people belong in France? Britain? America?

Irony, or what?

[FinnAgain]

Nah nah nah nah, nah nah nah nah, heeeeeeaaaaaaaay, shaaaalom.

[Gyrate]

Haben Sie gehort das Deutscher's banned?
Mit der bing
Mit der bang
Mit der bing bang bing bang boom...

[TubaDiva]

OP is banned now so let's close.