Why was the Twickster ATMB thread closed?

[Quasimodem]

Originally Posted by Sierra Indigo

Then why did YOU repost it again? Living_in_hell was taken to task by several posters here. She has given an apology for using that particular post. You could have snipped the quote in your reply. Hell, you could have just addressed her by name, but not quoted the post. Why repost it now?

I'm sorry. I didn't know I was doing anything wrong. I do apologize. And I didn't know there was an apology.

I'm sorry.

Thanks

Q

[Sierra Indigo]

I didn't say you did anything wrong, I asked why you felt the need to quote the post again when you're asking people not to throw your words up in Twickster's face? Perhaps instead of quoting the whole post, you might want to report your post to a mod and ask it to be edited down to just address living_in_hell, not to quote the whole, red and bolded thing.

[Enola Gay]

Originally Posted by living_in_hell

I could have handled this better and will attempt to be more sensitive in the future.

I don't think being more sensitive is going to help you.

Originally Posted by Cicero

The mocking, sarcastic culture of some of the Mods needs to be addressed by Ed or Dex.

Indeed, the SDMB is no place for sarcasm.

Originally Posted by The Man In Black

And I agree, the people in charge should be held to a higher standard. Or at least to the same standard as the rest of us.

After reading this thread, it is my opinion that the mods should get to call people cunts, just for having to read some of this drivel. Thank god it's not my job to read all these threads because after 3 short pages, I need a stiff drink.

[Quasimodem]

Lord have mercy! How many bullets do we need to shoot?

Let's get this fucking thing settled once and for all.

And move on.

Who's hurt, and who needs a "Band-Aid"?

And let's let that be it, because I need to go to bed with my pretty wife!

Quasi

[Quasimodem]

Originally Posted by Sierra Indigo

I didn't say you did anything wrong, I asked why you felt the need to quote the post again when you're asking people not to throw your words up in Twickster's face? Perhaps instead of quoting the whole post, you might want to report your post to a mod and ask it to be edited down to just address living_in_hell, not to quote the whole, red and bolded thing.

I have forgotten a lot of how this thing works. Sorry!

Q

[TriPolar]

Originally Posted by Quasimodem

Additionally, which one of you wants to step up and take on this shitty job?

Quasimodem

I thought they were serving out community service as their punishment for crimes against humanity.

[Guinastasia]

Originally Posted by Shodan

Coupled with the usual pile-on on twickster.

What a fucking fiasco. Can't anyone handle a mistake with some kind of grace?

Y'all are setting me a bad example for the next time I fuck up.

Regards,
Shodan

"Usual pile-on". "Handle a mistake". Think about it. twicker has a long history of this kind of "mistake". She keeps getting away with this kind of thing -- why do you think it's a "usual pile-on"? It's not just a "mistake". It's a long pattern.

If a regular poster kept up with this shit, we'd get banned. Yet she's never even warned, and still stays a mod. WTF? Shouldn't mods actually be held to a higher standard than posters?

"Oh, she had a bad day and just snapped, cut her a break, she had a headache, blah blah blah." Maybe then she's not cut out to be a mod.

As for "less snarky", please. It's like we have to tip-toe around here not to offend anyone anymore, but it seems like the mods can do as they please. It's insane.

[Quasimodem]

Originally Posted by TriPolar

I thought they were serving out community service as their punishment for crimes against humanity.

TriP,

Why don't you have your own show???

You crack me up with your sarcasm/satire, and I thought I was the king of that!

Thanks, my friend, for the smiles and chuckles.

Q

[Quasimodem]

I don't know, y'all.

Work this one out on your own, okay?

Thanks

Quasi

[Beastly Rotter]

Originally Posted by TriPolar

I thought they were serving out community service as their punishment for crimes against humanity.

That would explain Czarcasm.

[Quasimodem]

Originally Posted by Beastly Rotter

That would explain Czarcasm.

I hope you're not serious, BR. Just sayin'

Q

[Nzinga, Seated]

Originally Posted by RaftPeople

A possible solution for everyone is the Post-Note pattern, for example:


I post "You are a twat"

But my "signature" has me covered:

[Guest Note]
RaftPeople, c'mon, you know you can't post what you just posted in this post, don't do it again.
[/Guest Note]

Heee! I'm dying.

[boomerwang]

Originally Posted by splatterpunk

Wow. Gave herself a Mod Note and everything. That'll learn her.

Jesus fucking Christ.

OK, I'm sensing a little frustration towards Twickster. I have no dog in the fight etc, but for some reason, the quoted post here has had me laughing since yesterday.

[Quasimodem]

You must be exhausted!

[boomerwang]

Not continuous laughing, just on and off!

[Chimera]

Prolonged Intermittent Laughter.

There's probably a medication for that.

[boomerwang]

Yes, a PIL pill!

[Crazyhorse]

I disagree with the severity of Twickster's mod note to herself. "You are coming across as a twat" isn't necessarily calling the other poster a twat. She took the hardest line possible with herself in her interpretation of her words. In fact something like "that statement comes across as twattish" might even be allowed to fly in some threads outside of the Pit. But she precluded any possible chance of making that argument to herself by telling herself outright that they amount to the same thing.

It could be argued that she wasn't trying to call the OP a twat but was merely calling the ideas they expressed twattish. She should open up an ATMB thread to ask herself to reconsider this note on these grounds. I think there's a 50/50 chance she would if she catches herself in a good mood.

[Blank Slate]

If a statement is twattish wouldn't have to made by a twat, or at the very least, someone behaving twatty?

If you interchange twat with cunt (and they are interchangeable) you'd end up with cunt, cunty or cuntish. I don't think you could get away with any of it outside the Pit, where you can call people twats but not cunts. A cunty, twattish rule, imho.

Twickster, if you're out there, why not put the whole thing to bed? Even a "fuck y'all, kiss my shiny mod ass" would be better than just ignoring the whole goddamn mess.

[Crazyhorse]

Twat is allowed in any forum as long as it isn't directed at another poster. And calling an idea twattish might, in many cases be considered a roundabout way of saying that the OP is a twat. Maybe that is still the decision she would have ultimately reached if she had asked herself to reconsider. All I'm saying is she didn't even give herself the chance and immediately made a judgment about her intentions.

[boomerwang]

Originally Posted by Blank Slate

If a statement is twattish wouldn't have to made by a twat, or at the very least, someone behaving twatty?

If you interchange twat with cunt (and they are interchangeable) you'd end up with cunt, cunty or cuntish. I don't think you could get away with any of it outside the Pit, where you can call people twats but not cunts. A cunty, twattish rule, imho.

Twickster, if you're out there, why not put the whole thing to bed? Even a "fuck y'all, kiss my shiny mod ass" would be better than just ignoring the whole goddamn mess.

Twatty? Would it not be twattily?

[srzss05]

Originally Posted by Blank Slate

Twickster, if you're out there, why not put the whole thing to bed? Even a "fuck y'all, kiss my shiny mod ass" would be better than just ignoring the whole goddamn mess.

The other thread was closed without explanation, Perhaps they think this one will die on its own.

[Cicero]

Exactly what is Twickster supposed to say?

Firstly, it was Tuba who closed the other thread, so Twickster has nothing to answer for there.

Didn't twickster admit she made an error in her choice of words in the thread under discussion? I don't know if sackcloth and ashes and wearing a hair shirt are called for.

Has LIH been sighted since the pit thread about her started?

[Enola Gay]

Twickster doesn't need to say anything, it is actions that people are looking for. I think she should organize a big, sincere Group Hug and include anyone whose tender feelings have been hurt. Actions speak louder than words.

[samclem]

Originally Posted by srzss05

The other thread was closed without explanation, Perhaps they think this one will die on its own.

From your lips to the ears of--- deity of your choice.

[srzss05]

Originally Posted by samclem

From your lips to the ears of--- deity of your choice.

I was only half joking. But if people (even mods) keep posting in this thread it won't happen.

[Blank Slate]

The apology, which is unnecessary imo, is besides the point.

Why even have a forum that allows questions about the moderation? Several mods and an admin have posted in these two theads and not one of them has addressed any of the issues that have been raised. Why even bother when the feedback consists of nothing but retarded wisecracks? Get Ed to make a new sticky: Fuck Off and Don't Ask Questions.

[silenus]

The mods probably feel, correctly, that the "issue" has been dealt with. The rest is just the yammering of the usual.

[Blank Slate]

Originally Posted by silenus

The mods probably feel, correctly, that the "issue" has been dealt with. The rest is just the yammering of the usual.

Makes sense. Typing "It's been dealt with" is a Herculean task. I had to slay a lion and capture a bull just to make this one little post.

[Zeriel]

Originally Posted by Quasimodem

Additionally, which one of you wants to step up and take on this shitty job?

A fair number of those of us who are complaining HAVE stepped up and taken on the shitty job of moderator, just not here. I don't get these kind of complaints on the boards that *I* administer.

[silenus]

Originally Posted by Blank Slate

Makes sense. Typing "It's been dealt with" is a Herculean task. I had to slay a lion and capture a bull just to make this one little post.

See? Easy peasy. You're lucky you didn't want to change your username or something like that. Do you have any idea how hard it is to find a virgin cockatrice?

[bucketybuck]

Originally Posted by Blank Slate

Several mods and an admin have posted in these two theads and not one of them has addressed any of the issues that have been raised.

What issues? A bunch of the usuals have a hard-on about Twickster, and this is just another thread where they get to wave their pitchforks. I doubt few really care about any issues, what they really want is a Pit thread where they can throw proper insults at her, instead of thread after thread of veiled insults. But Ed says you can't pit mods so instead we get this thread, again and again.

Frankly this is a non-issue. If some other mod had slipped up and then gave themself a mod note they would be a board legend.

"Do you remember that time the mod gave themselves a warning? That has hilarious haha lol"

But it was Twickster so instead its another sign of the board going to hell or something. Meh, I'm not surprised the admins haven't bothered addressing it.

(Though I'm probably just a skeevy mod defender, so what do I know eh?)

[Cicero]

I agree with 99% of what Buckety Buck says, but I still think that one of the Mods who have posted here had come out and said "This is just a pile on of Twicks- there is nothing in it", it may have helped.

It also may have inflamed the thread, but that seems to have happened anyway.

[srzss05]

Originally Posted by Cicero

I agree with 99% of what Buckety Buck says, but I still think that one of the Mods who have posted here had come out and said "This is just a pile on of Twicks- there is nothing in it", it may have helped.

It also may have inflamed the thread, but that seems to have happened anyway.

I agree 99% as well (but for different reasons, as I feel it really doesn't matter in the long run as nothing will have changed), but saying the matter is considered closed rather than making lame jokes and closing the first thread would have probably been a better way to do it.

[PlainJain]

Originally Posted by bucketybuck

What issues? A bunch of the usuals have a hard-on about Twickster, and this is just another thread where they get to wave their pitchforks. I doubt few really care about any issues, what they really want is a Pit thread where they can throw proper insults at her, instead of thread after thread of veiled insults. But Ed says you can't pit mods so instead we get this thread, again and again.

Frankly this is a non-issue. If some other mod had slipped up and then gave themself a mod note they would be a board legend.

"Do you remember that time the mod gave themselves a warning? That has hilarious haha lol"

But it was Twickster so instead its another sign of the board going to hell or something. Meh, I'm not surprised the admins haven't bothered addressing it.

And why do you think that is? How come every other thread about other mods actions doesn't turn into pile-ons against them?

Twix broke the rules. And once again we get some flip wave-away. What's so bad about expressing our displeasure and why does that equal "pitchfork waving"?


.

[RaftPeople]

Originally Posted by bucketybuck

If some other mod had slipped up and then gave themself a mod note they would be a board legend.

"Do you remember that time the mod gave themselves a warning? That has hilarious haha lol"

But it was Twickster so instead its another sign of the board going to hell or something.

Independent of whether I agree with your post or not, this portion is a good observation about human nature.

[mhendo]

Originally Posted by bucketybuck

But Ed says you can't pit mods so instead we get this thread, again and again.

Actually, you can pit mods for things that they do as regular posters. So if someone wanted to pit twickster for calling someone else a twat in MPSIMS, they could do it without a problem.

Originally Posted by bucketybuck

Frankly this is a non-issue. If some other mod had slipped up and then gave themself a mod note they would be a board legend.

"Do you remember that time the mod gave themselves a warning? That has hilarious haha lol"

But it was Twickster so instead its another sign of the board going to hell or something. Meh, I'm not surprised the admins haven't bothered addressing it.

Well, it certainly wouldn't have been a thread about moderation without you dropping in to push your nose further up their arses.

[Munch]

Originally Posted by samclem

From your lips to the ears of--- deity of your choice.

Bullshit like this doesn't help, sam. A dismissal like yours doesn't really come across as helpful, coming from a moderator. If you don't think this issue has any merit, could you at least have the balls to come out and say it, rather than slip in passive-aggressive comments like this? I took your suggestion on page two to contact Ed and Dex directly - Dex responded that it's being looked into, but that schedules are currently busy this weekend. I'm sure you were aware of that - so why are you trying to sweep it under the rug?

[srzss05]

Originally Posted by Munch

Bullshit like this doesn't help, sam. A dismissal like yours doesn't really come across as helpful, coming from a moderator. If you don't think this issue has any merit, could you at least have the balls to come out and say it, rather than slip in passive-aggressive comments like this?

I was tempted to say something similar to this, but decided the low-key version was better. I was hoping he would get the point my way.

[samclem]

Originally Posted by Munch

Bullshit like this doesn't help, sam. A dismissal like yours doesn't really come across as helpful, coming from a moderator. If you don't think this issue has any merit, could you at least have the balls to come out and say it, rather than slip in passive-aggressive comments like this? I took your suggestion on page two to contact Ed and Dex directly - Dex responded that it's being looked into, but that schedules are currently busy this weekend. I'm sure you were aware of that - so why are you trying to sweep it under the rug?

Originally Posted by srzss05

I was tempted to say something similar to this, but decided the low-key version was better. I was hoping he would get the point my way.

I felt that any answer representing the point of view of the management of the SDMB should come from an Administrator, not a moderator. Therefore I didn't answer the OP. I'm really not trying to sweep it under the rug. I have no power to do that. Glad that at least you took my suggestion. But, as it happens, I was NOT aware of Dex's reply to you. I am aware that weekends are pretty sketchy times to try to get admins/mods on here. Sorry for making comments that didn't help. Seriously.

[bucketybuck]

Originally Posted by mhendo

Well, it certainly wouldn't have been a thread about moderation without you dropping in to push your nose further up their arses.

I wondered how long it would take...

[mhendo]

Originally Posted by bucketybuck

I wondered how long it would take...

Happy to help.

I had been wondering how long it would take you to arrive.

[Colibri]

Originally Posted by bucketybuck

Frankly this is a non-issue. If some other mod had slipped up and then gave themself a mod note they would be a board legend. [/size]

As a matter of fact, samclem has given himself a mod note for an inappropriate remark in GQ. But he's a board legend even without that.

[bucketybuck]

Originally Posted by PlainJain

And why do you think that is? How come every other thread about other mods actions doesn't turn into pile-ons against them?

Twix broke the rules. And once again we get some flip wave-away. What's so bad about expressing our displeasure and why does that equal "pitchfork waving"?

Because its very hard not to see much of it as pitchfork waving. Just as an example, and with no real intention to single anybody out, here are a selection of quotes about Twickster from one poster in particular, all from their last twenty posts in ATMB.

Twickster is a shit mod. You know it, I know it, Cecil knows it, Ed knows it.

She, and they, deserve the heaps they're getting, in my opinion.

This is hardly surprising behaviour for Twix, in my opinion, a new twist in a long pattern, to my mind. Her little slip has revealed an ugly underside of the SD. The contemptuous attitude tolerated, it would seem, and only regretted when it comes to light.

Yeah, you're not telling us something we don't all already know about Twix. No one is surprised. No one is honestly thinking she'll apologize. We've all seen her in action enough to know, it's not going to happen. And if you do force it, it will be lame and not on point. Again, we have lots of experience with this.

She is like Teflon, nothing sticks. The admins could care, yours is just, yet another, complaint about Twix.

You'd think, if it happens often enough, if enough people complain, if she's often demonstratively jerkish. But no.

Ain't nothing going to change. Sad but true. Like the rest of us, who have been caught on the wrong side of her, you'll just have to suck it up and ignore her.

"Just move on. She's not worth it."

Those quotes would be right at home in a pit thread, not in any serious discussion of the running of the board, yet that is the tone that seems to be prevalent every time somebody decides they don't like Twickster this week. It all seems so very personal to some people, and so is it so surprising that the admins will just roll their eyes and say nothing.

Hell, what do you want them to say? For many people no less than the removal of Twickster as a mod will do, for the rest, any sort of reprimand will be seen as validation. Why on earth would the admins fall into that trap.

As I indicated before, the best thing the admins can do is tell Ed to back the fuck off, and let people pit moderators again. I bet we wouldn't be seeing these types of ongoing witchhunts.

[bucketybuck]

Originally Posted by mhendo

Happy to help.

I had been wondering how long it would take you to arrive.

Didn't we do this already?

Besides, I am curious. You can't really believe that I care a great deal about kissing up to the mods, can you? Seriously? Do I seem like the type that is waiting around for a pat on the back from the bosses? Really?

Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps this is my opinion? And that I simply have different views on what shite people should have to put up with as mods?

[mhendo]

Originally Posted by bucketybuck

Besides, I am curious. You can't really believe that I care a great deal about kissing up to the mods, can you? Seriously? Do I seem like the type that is waiting around for a pat on the back from the bosses? Really?

I believe it at exactly the same level that you believe that people come to these threads only because they have unreasonable and unfounded criticisms of the moderators.

[MrDibble]

Originally Posted by bucketybuck

As I indicated before, the best thing the admins can do is tell Ed to back the fuck off, and let people pit moderators again. I bet we wouldn't be seeing these types of ongoing witchhunts.

I agree, FWIW.

[Zeriel]

Originally Posted by bucketybuck

For many people no less than the removal of Twickster as a mod will do

That would certainly be a good first step towards improving moderation around here. She has shown, time and again, she is unwilling or unable to muster the level of detachment necessary to moderate threads fairly and to the rules.

Originally Posted by MrDibble

I agree, FWIW.

Me Too.(tm) If nothing else, allowing the moderators to be pitted will reduce the amount of unfounded moderator complaining in ATMB, so that the ATMB discussions of actually terrible moderation will be less crowded out.

[PlainJain]

Originally Posted by bucketybuck

As I indicated before, the best thing the admins can do is tell Ed to back the fuck off, and let people pit moderators again. I bet we wouldn't be seeing these types of ongoing witchhunts.

I wouldn't be opposed to that but I don't know that it's needed. Why not just let posters say they don't like her moderation in this forum? That way people can express their feelings without all the name calling.

It all seems so very personal to some people, and so is it so surprising that the admins will just roll their eyes and say nothing.

It is personal. We love this place. We are part of a community here. It's not wrong to want it to be run as best it can be.

[Garfield226]

Originally Posted by bucketybuck

. . .so instead we get this thread, again and again.

Originally Posted by bucketybuck

. . .every time somebody decides they don't like Twickster this week.

Serious question: Why do you think it is you had to post these two phrases?