Ok, I'll do it (Twickster thread closing thread closed)

[Beastly Rotter]

Originally Posted by TubaDiva

The first thread was closed because I thought the situation was resolved and the OP was done with it.

The second thread was closed because it had degenerated into uncivil behavior and nothing more.

Why will this one be closed?

[Garfield226]

Originally Posted by TubaDiva

If this had happened between two posters -- and that sort of situation happens around here on a regular basis, it's not unusual -- it wouldn't even have registered.

Do you really still not get that this could not have happened between two posters because the entire question was about the propriety of her giving herself a mod note?

Really? If WHAT had happened between two posters? If poster A insults poster B and poster A gets a note from mod M saying don't do that again? Right, that wouldn't have registered because that's the right thing to do — and no, that's not what happened here. If poster A insults poster B and then poster A makes a snarky remark like "oopsie woopsie, I better not do that again, what a naughty little poster I am!" and that's all the response it gets, and you're suggesting that wouldn't register? Well I think you ought to recalibrate your meter because it's a bit off.

Yes, asking a moderator who is involved in a potentially rule-breaking situation to take it to the mod loop and have someone else take a look at it is the right thing to do. That's a far cry from "sure, I guess, why not." of a couple hours ago. It's too bad you couldn't have applied a little thought and come to this conclusion about two days ago.

[mhendo]

Originally Posted by TubaDiva

Should some other staffer have issued the rebuke? Yeah, probably. In hindsight, that would have been the better way to go. In future we will ask any staffer who transgresses to bring the issue to the mod loop for handling.

Well, Hallelujah and praise be to Og!

It only took you 3 threads and 300+ posts to actually address the issue. Kudos to you, though; that's still probably better than average.

The solution you suggest here is exactly the sort of thing, i believe, that just about everybody would be happy with. It's just a shame you couldn't have dropped that little gem in a few days ago and saved yourself all the angst of having to deal with assholes like me who make unreasonable requests for a bit of consistency and transparency in the way this place is run.

And please, give your "moderators are people too.." schtick a rest, will ya. Too err is human, and some moderators thus prove their humanity to us on a depressingly regular basis.

[Red Barchetta]

Originally Posted by mhendo

It's just a shame you couldn't have dropped that little gem in a few days ago and saved yourself all the angst of having to deal with assholes like me who make unreasonable requests for a bit of consistency and transparency in the way this place is run.

I thought insults weren't allowed in ATMB

[Crazyhorse]

Maybe it just took a few days for them to hash it out among themselves and respond. It would be pointless to jump in with offhand comments until a unified response was agreed upon.

I like to think that when issues like this come up they drop everything and hold a retreat at Ed Zotti's cabin by the lake. There, surrounded by the calm of nature they sit around the campfire, hold hands and sing Kumbaya, drink copious amounts of tequila and mescal and as the sun comes try to reach an agreement on how to proceed in the light of a new day. After all this is life and death stuff. It shouldn't be handled with a knee-jerk reaction.

[Myrnalene]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse

Maybe it just took a few days for them to hash it out among themselves and respond. It would be pointless to jump in with offhand comments until a unified response was agreed upon.

No, but it would be pretty pointy to post something, anything, to let the posters here know that some kind of response was forthcoming.

[srzss05]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse

Maybe it just took a few days for them to hash it out among themselves and respond. It would be pointless to jump in with offhand comments until a unified response was agreed upon.

That sounds good, until you realize that the final "decision" was not only the common sense one but the one dozens of others suggested as well since the first thread.

[Irishman]

Originally Posted by Idle Thoughts

2. However, by the time I saw the post, the mod in question already had a note issued (by herself, no less). You may disagree with mods being able to do that, but it was still a note, nonetheless...so having another mod come in and make a note on top of that would have been--IMO--redundant.

This is my complaint - it is not redundant. A mod note is almost nothing. It is an instruction, but doesn't go in the "official record", and so is not counted in the evaluation of board privileges, etc. But, what is significant is who is delivering the rebuke. Someone offering a self-rebuke for an error is inherently questionable, as it is unclear if the person is judging that situation on its own merits, or giving themself a pass for bad behavior. That is the point of another mod or admin stepping in - to assure the rest of the board that the moderators of this site are being held to the same standards, that there is oversight, that nobody is above the rules. When a moderator self-moderates, it does not demonstrate that, it suggests moderators are being given free rein.

Giving Twickster a separate Mod Note would not be redundant, would not give any more weight to a "punishment" that is essentially nothing, and would go a long way to emphasizing that we all must follow the rules.

Originally Posted by TubaDiva

Should some other staffer have issued the rebuke? Yeah, probably. In hindsight, that would have been the better way to go. In future we will ask any staffer who transgresses to bring the issue to the mod loop for handling.

Thank you for replying. It's too bad it took this long to get anyone to address the actual issue, instead of ignoring in and playing "head in the sand" for three threads.

If this had happened between two posters -- and that sort of situation happens around here on a regular basis, it's not unusual -- it wouldn't even have registered.

If this had happened between two posters, a poster would have given himself a Mod note? A real mod wouldn't have stepped in with a Mod note?

It was a statement made not as a moderator but as regular ol' poster. Moderators are entitled to be regular ol' posters sometimes, or should be. Moderators are people too, and have feelings, and react to things, and do sometimes good things and sometimes make mistakes.

I'm not questioning the right of moderators to be regular posters, or to make mistakes. I am questioning the appearance of a lack of oversight of moderators as posters being fair, treating a moderator who was posting as a regular poster the same way any other regular poster is treated.

I am also questioning the policy of "least said, soonest mended". I do not feel that is true, as this situation clearly demonstrates. Actually saying something is critical. Saying nothing does notmend anything. It just festers.

[Joey P]

I'm surprised no one has considered (at least out loud) the other possibility. The one that I just assumed was the case. I just assumed that Twix figured she'll call someone else a twat, wait a few minutes then warn/note herself for it. Ha ha, it'll all be a big funny joke and everyone will have a laugh over it and we'll all forget about it.
I honestly don't think she 'accidentally' called another user a twat and then realized what she did and put on her mod hat to warn herself. I truly think she knew exactly what she was doing and knew she could get away with it.

Let me ask the mods. I have no warnings against me. Can I use that to my advantage and get a free pass to lob a couple of twats at people in GQ? I mean, whenever someone fights a warning one of the things the mods always say is something along the lines of "You don't have any warnings or notes against you, your privileges aren't under discussion, if you don't do this again anytime soon, it's not going to be an issue, don't worry about it" So does that mean I can call someone a troll in IMHO once a year or so?

I think that's what Twix did. I think she knew full well she wouldn't get in trouble for it. I think she tends to underestimate how the rest of the dopers feel about her though. I bet she'd reconsider the statement if she realized that it would spawn three threads.

[Irishman]

It seems to me you are reading a lot into this. Is it possible? Sure. But what do you have to go on to support that surmise, other than your own distaste for Twickster?

I would think without other evidence to go on, they are going to take a person at their word that it was unplanned, including Twickster.

However, now that you've asked the question, there's evidence to support your next incident as being planned. So you probably shouldn't try it.

As for the broader generic case, yes, it is possible that a poster could get away with infrequent violation of the rules and get the occassional mod note without racking up any Warnings. It is also possible that someone might notice that pattern, and alert a Mod. It is also possible that one of the attempted "free pass" violations could get a Warning for no other reason than the Mod in question felt it deserved a real Warning and not just a Note, independent of any awareness of a pattern. And once you rack up a warning for that trend, the Mods would be more alert to looking for similar instances.

Ergo, it is a risky practice. Someone could probably get away with it for a while, at the risk of being a jerk.

I still don't understand why some people want to try so hard to find a way to get away with being a jerk. "I found a loophole that lets me be a jerk and not get caught! Woohoo!"

[WhyNot]

I have occasionally felt strongly enough about something that I posted it even knowing I would very likely get a Warning for it. Which is one reason I don't quite understand the vehemence of the reaction from some people around Warnings. If you don't rack up a lot of them in a short period of time, they're just not that big of a deal in any practical sense.

So yeah, I guess you could say I have taken advantage of a "free pass" here or there. As long as it doesn't become a habit, er...why not?

[Darth Panda]

Originally Posted by Joey P

I bet she'd reconsider the statement if she realized that it would spawn three threads.

I don't.

[samclem]

Originally Posted by Joey P

I'm surprised no one has considered (at least out loud) the other possibility. The one that I just assumed was the case. I just assumed that Twix figured she'll call someone else a twat, wait a few minutes then warn/note herself for it. Ha ha, it'll all be a big funny joke and everyone will have a laugh over it and we'll all forget about it.
I honestly don't think she 'accidentally' called another user a twat and then realized what she did and put on her mod hat to warn herself. I truly think she knew exactly what she was doing and knew she could get away with it.

. Since you're asking for opinions of the mods in the rest of the post, I'm gonna assume it'll be OK for me to venture my opinion on your surmise.

IMHO, you're wrong in your assumption. I've never met twix in person, so this is just my reading of her mostly from emails in the mod loop.

She wouldn't do this with any pre-meditation. It didn't happen.

Originally Posted by Joey P

Let me ask the mods. I have no warnings against me. Can I use that to my advantage and get a free pass to lob a couple of twats at people in GQ? I mean, whenever someone fights a warning one of the things the mods always say is something along the lines of "You don't have any warnings or notes against you, your privileges aren't under discussion, if you don't do this again anytime soon, it's not going to be an issue, don't worry about it" So does that mean I can call someone a troll in IMHO once a year or so?

.

If you do this repeatedly, with an agenda, it'll probably show up in our opinion of your motives in doing it. That would be bad for you. If you're just a poster who gets carried away once a year, passionately, on a topic, we would probably warn you and let it pass.

Originally Posted by Joey P

I think that's what Twix did. I think she knew full well she wouldn't get in trouble for it. I think she tends to underestimate how the rest of the dopers feel about her though. I bet she'd reconsider the statement if she realized that it would spawn three threads.

Again, I disagree with your surmise. It didn't go down that way.

[pseudotriton ruber ruber]

Originally Posted by samclem

It didn't go down that way.

And you know this for sure how, exactly?

[mhendo]

Originally Posted by Joey P

I just assumed that Twix figured she'll call someone else a twat, wait a few minutes then warn/note herself for it. Ha ha, it'll all be a big funny joke and everyone will have a laugh over it and we'll all forget about it.
I honestly don't think she 'accidentally' called another user a twat and then realized what she did and put on her mod hat to warn herself. I truly think she knew exactly what she was doing and knew she could get away with it.

I've been one of the more vocal critics of the mods in this particular instance, and i completely disagree with your interpretation here. There's not a single piece of evidence to support it. We should, i think, focus on things that actually happen, and not on wild speculations like this.

[Joey P]

Since everyone disagrees with me, I'm happy to let my speculation die. I wasn't thinking that she did it while twiddling her evil handle bar moustache and saying "Ha, let's see if I can get away with this" more along the lines of this. I just wanted to throw it out there as long as every one else was putting their two cents in. Besides, IIRC she clearly stated that she was speaking not as a mod and IMO the fact that she took the time to write that out tells me it wasn't a spur or the moment thing. It's not that she was banging away at the keyboard in frustration and TWAT just slipped out.

Regarding the random insults carefully spaced out. I'm not really sure where I was going with that. You look through my thousands of posts, I don't think you'll find any kind of pattern of me doing that nor do I plan to start, but I swear I was going somewhere with it when I was writing it a few hours ago.

Anyways to put in my opinion of what should have happened in the aftermath. If a poster had done it a mod would have reprimanded them however they felt was fair. Since a mod did it, I feel an admin should have reprimanded her or at the very least another mod.
Cops don't write tickets to themselves, doctors don't diagnose themselves, a judge wouldn't preside over his own trial. Yeah, I know, it was one instance and it's pretty rare for a mod to slip like that, but still, it looked silly and a lot of posters have a lot of strong feelings about Twix. She knows she has to tread carefully, she knows many of her decisions get called out in ATMB. We know a lot of her decisions get reversed because she had a headache or was in a bad mood. Maybe it's time she starts taking a deep breath (or some Tylenol) and counting to ten before putting on her mod hat.

[Garfield226]

Originally Posted by Joey P

Yeah, I know, it was one instance and it's pretty rare for a mod to slip like that . . .

A bigger-picture problem here is that with her, it's not one instance and it's depressingly not rare (and becoming less so over time).

[Darth Panda]

Originally Posted by Joey P

She knows she has to tread carefully, she knows many of her decisions get called out in ATMB.

I'd say that the last couple of days make it apparent that she does not have to tread carefully. Posters may call her out, but I haven't seen any indication that the other mods or admins give a crap about what she does, which is the only thing that really matters.

That said, I don't agree with the idea she made the statement and then modded herself as some attempt to get a rise out of people (I know you dropped that, but I just wanted to make it clear that I don't think she's intentionally messing with people, she's just a bad mod [I think I would be terrible mod, fwiw], and, occasionally, a bad poster).

[srzss05]

Originally Posted by Joey P

Since everyone disagrees with me, I'm happy to let my speculation die.

Whether I agree or not, it still doesn't help to speculate on this, especially after they hid their heads in the sand for 2 and a half threads. Speculation like that is why they don't want to reply.

[MsWhatsit]

One of the reasons I think that allowing mods to be Pitted would be good is that then the admin could institute a policy of replying to all ATMB threads within a reasonable timeframe. That way the mods don't have to come in and address every person that just has a rant to make about a mod decision or whatever (those would go in the Pit) but actual legit concerns would be addressed in a timely fashion. (And preferably a professional, mature, and respectful fashion, but I know I'm shooting for the moon here.)

Just a thought.

[Shodan]

Originally Posted by MsWhatsit

One of the reasons I think that allowing mods to be Pitted would be good is that then the admin could institute a policy of replying to all ATMB threads within a reasonable timeframe. That way the mods don't have to come in and address every person that just has a rant to make about a mod decision or whatever (those would go in the Pit) but actual legit concerns would be addressed in a timely fashion. (And preferably a professional, mature, and respectful fashion, but I know I'm shooting for the moon here.)

Just a thought.

I like this. The rule would be "Pit the mods all you want, but don't expect a substantive answer unless you open an ATMB thread".

Even if the substantive answer was nothing more than "we have thought it over, and Mod X's behavior did not rise to any level of concern. We are therefore locking this thread - go bitch about it in the Pit."

But I don't think the mods want to be Pitted, mostly (to be fair) because they can't respond to Pitters with their mod hats on, and if they respond as posters, it misses the point of Pitting moderation.

Regards,
Shodan

[PlainJain]

Originally Posted by srzss05

Speculation like that is why they don't want to reply.

I doubt this very seriously. Speculation like that occurs because they didn't reply.

^{FTR, I don't agree with JoeyP either.}

[donkeyoatey]

Originally Posted by Joey P

Since everyone disagrees with me...

I think you're spot on with the first half. I think she used "twat" on purpose and then later, when there were outcries, figured it would be funny to give herself the little slap.

[Enola Gay]

Originally Posted by donkeyoatey

I think you're spot on with the first half. I think she used "twat" on purpose and then later, when there were outcries, figured it would be funny to give herself the little slap.

I'm going to take it a step further and suggest that the other mods were part of the original twat conspiracy. If Internal Affairs wasn't so corrupt, there might be some justice in this case. We need a mod like Serpico.

[Irishman]

Originally Posted by Shodan

I like this. The rule would be "Pit the mods all you want, but don't expect a substantive answer unless you open an ATMB thread".

I could get in front of this statement.

But I don't think the mods want to be Pitted, mostly (to be fair) because they can't respond to Pitters with their mod hats on, and if they respond as posters, it misses the point of Pitting moderation.

I don't think the mods want to be Pitted, because I don't think most people want to be Pitted. And I think that if we could Pit mods for moderator action, many of them wouldn't bother to read or respond. But that doesn't really have anything to do with the reason for the rule.

At one time, all complaints about moderation were put in the Pit. That way, there was no way to have a constructive criticism, because someone else would turn it into a slam.

But the inverse is not working, either, where no complaints about the moderation go in the Pit. It just makes the pile ons and bitch fests happen in ATMB, where people have to struggle to stay within the language constraints.

This is why I have advocated the suggestion above.

Also consider, it would be one thing if the board didn't have the Pit at all, so that kind of conversation was just not allowed on the board. Then a rule that you can't bitch and flame about moderation would fit within the overall board rule, no bitching and flaming. But we have a forum specifically for bitching and flaming. Yet, we by fiat exclude one topic from that forum, moderation on this board. That doesn't make sense.

A much more sensible policy is to allow bitching and flaming about board moderation in the bitching and flaming forum, but not expect it to do anything but allow people to vent. Any topics expecting the staff to actually consider them belong in ATMB, and play by ATMB rules. Then any pile-ons or whine-fests in ATMB could be moderated as well, rather than allowed to slide on the grounds that "people just need to vent", and thus the staff just lets threads go on and on without actually responding.

[Snickers]

I just have to say: "lob a couple of twats at people" is easily the funniest thing I've read all day. If nothing else, thanks for that, Joey P.

[srzss05]

Originally Posted by PlainJain

I doubt this very seriously. Speculation like that occurs because they didn't reply.

I really meant speculation after they replied. Doing that doesn't make them want to reply in the future.

[mhendo]

Originally Posted by Irishman

But the inverse is not working, either, where no complaints about the moderation go in the Pit. It just makes the pile ons and bitch fests happen in ATMB, where people have to struggle to stay within the language constraints.

Not only that, but it's not working because, on many occasions, the moderators and administrators don't even make substantive responses to the ATMB threads.

Either they ignore them altogether (sometimes jumping in late to say something like, "We can't be online 24 hours a day, you know!"), or they manage to completely miss the point of the complaint. Sure, some ATMB threads have received reasonably prompt and relevant responses, but far too many hang out in the breeze for days without being addressed in any useful way.

When Ed decided that all complaints about the board would have to go in ATMB, i think that it became incumbent upon the mods and admins to address those complaints in a reasonably prompt and professional manner. No-one expects them to respond promptly and professionally to a BBQ Pit flame-fest, but if there's a place specifically designated for complaints, and that place requires those complaints to be couched in reasonable terms, then there should also be a commitment from the mods and admins to address them in a timely and reasonable manner.

That's why i think that Shodan's idea would work quite well. If you want to vent about moderators, go to the Pit and rant away, but don't expect a timely or rational response; if you want to make a genuine complaint, do it in ATMB, but make sure you're civil about it.

In all of this, i actually think that some of the worst moderation on this board has been right here, in ATMB. Because, as quite a few people have noted, plenty of people push things too far here without being told (on an individual basis) to pull their heads in and follow the rules. And it now appears as if this is actually a moderating strategy, whereby ATMB threads are deliberately allowed to degenerate to a point where the mods feel justified in simply closing them. If the mods and admins would actually moderate this forum like they're supposed to, then maybe the threads dealing with moderator issues would be more productive.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by mhendo

In all of this, i actually think that some of the worst moderation on this board has been right here, in ATMB. Because, as quite a few people have noted, plenty of people push things too far here without being told (on an individual basis) to pull their heads in and follow the rules. And it now appears as if this is actually a moderating strategy, whereby ATMB threads are deliberately allowed to degenerate to a point where the mods feel justified in simply closing them. If the mods and admins would actually moderate this forum like they're supposed to, then maybe the threads dealing with moderator issues would be more productive.

Please allow me to rephrase, slightly.

In all of this, i actually think that some of the worst moderation on this board has been right here, in ATMB. Because, as quite a few people have noted, plenty of people push things too far here without being told (on an individual basis) to pull their heads in and follow the rules. And it now appears as if this is actually a moderating strategy, whereby ATMB threads are deliberately allowed to degenerate to a point where the mods feel justified in simply closing them. If the mods and admins would actually moderate this forum like they're supposed to, and actually respond to concerns with meaningful responsesthen maybe the threads dealing with moderator issues would be more productive

[voltaire]

Originally Posted by mhendo

That's why i think that Shodan's idea would work quite well. If you want to vent about moderators, go to the Pit and rant away, but don't expect a timely or rational response; if you want to make a genuine complaint, do it in ATMB, but make sure you're civil about it.

Shodan's idea? Hmph! And I'll throw in a couple hmph's on MsWhatsit's behalf, as well.

[mhendo]

Originally Posted by voltaire

Shodan's idea? Hmph! And I'll throw in a couple hmph's on MsWhatsit's behalf, as well.

Sorry. That's just the first time i noticed it, i guess.

[PlainJain]

Originally Posted by srzss05

I really meant speculation after they replied. Doing that doesn't make them want to reply in the future.

An African swallow maybe but not a European swallow. That's my point.




^{In otherwords: Oh yes, I agree there.}

[Irishman]

Originally Posted by voltaire

Shodan's idea? Hmph! And I'll throw in a couple hmph's on MsWhatsit's behalf, as well.

It's not like that was the first time it has been suggested.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...&postcount=182

[Shodan]

I hope it didn't sound like I wanted to take credit for anyone else's idea. I did quote Ms. Whatsit.

Regards,
Shodan

[voltaire]

Originally Posted by Irishman

It's not like that was the first time it has been suggested.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...&postcount=182

I was mostly kidding, guess I should have used the appropriate smiley.

But yeah, I wasn't suggesting it was my unique and original idea (obviously, since I linked to MsWhatsit briefly mentioning it first), just that calling it Shodan's idea, after he was the third person to bring it up in this thread, was mildly off-putting.

Anyway, I do think this would be an excellent way to deter the frequent ATMB trainwrecks, where the purported "mod bashers" and the purported "mod brown-nosers" regularly square off, with the mods largely sitting it out and apparently hoping the flames will burn themselves out when people get bored with throwing the repetitive snark at each other. Or, if things really flame up, the thread gets locked and another related thread almost invariably gets started, leading to multiple trainwrecks sprinkled about ATMB.

Just shunt all that bullshit over to the Pit, and leave ATMB for reasonable discourse regarding the board's administration. What would be the harm in just trying it as a provisional experiment? It would be a simple matter to declare it a failure and revert back to the current state of affairs.

I encourage the admins/mods to discuss this amongst themselves and take a vote on it. I think everybody can agree that there's some room for improvement with how grievances are both aired and handled.

[MsWhatsit]

I would just like to say that I am satisfied with the amount of credit that has been given me in this thread for my not-particularly-original idea.

[What the .... ?!?!]

Originally Posted by mhendo

Not only that, but it's not working because, on many occasions, the moderators and administrators don't even make substantive responses to the ATMB threads.

Amen brother!

If a Mod can be both a Mod and an aggressive poster then he should surely be Pittable.

[PlainJain]

They are, as posters.

[What the .... ?!?!]

Originally Posted by PlainJain

They are, as posters.

.... as if the line was so precise.

[Myrnalene]

Originally Posted by PlainJain

They are, as posters.

Well, ok.

I was mod noted for expressing my displeasure at something twickster said in this post. Specifically, "Flaming someone with mental health issues isn't exactly classy behavior, either."

Now, I have a problem with that statement for a couple of different reasons, but let's leave that aside. The part that is relevant to this thread is that she wasn't enforcing board policy when she said that. There is clearly no rule that you can't flame posters just because they are depressed or whatever else (you can't do elsewhere but in the Pit, obviously). It's also not part of her moderating job to comment on what is or is not "classy behavior". That was her own shitty, ableist opinion but since she included it in her Mod note, suddenly it's a moderator action and I got my knuckles rapped for criticizing it.

Miller told me to take it here but I didn't bother, because it would clearly be pissing in the wind. We have three threads to prove that twickster doesn't give a two fucks about what anyone thinks about her job performance, and that board management doesn't give a fuck about making her give a fuck. And my problem, again, wasn't with her performance per se, but her snitty little aside that was clearly an expression of her own personal opinion as a poster, not a mod.

As long as mods dance back and forth across that line, they are free from criticism of any kind. You can't complain in the Pit, and if you complain here, nothing happens.

The system blows.

[Czarcasm]

Originally Posted by Myrnalene

I was mod noted for expressing my displeasure at something twickster said in this post. Specifically, "Flaming someone with mental health issues isn't exactly classy behavior, either."

Actually, I believe you were mod-noted(no warning issued, though) for
1. Saying "fuck you" to a poster in the BBQ Pit, and
2. Criticizing the actions of a moderator in The BBQ Pit instead of ATMB.

[Myrnalene]

I just want to clarify that I didn't have a problem with the larger part of twickster's note, which was that flaming of Lute should be taken to the Pit. I had a problem the sentence I quoted only.

[Czarcasm]

Originally Posted by Myrnalene

I just want to clarify that I didn't have a problem with the larger part of twickster's note, which was that flaming of Lute should be taken to the Pit. I had a problem the sentence I quoted only.

And I just wanted to note that you weren't mod-noted for the specific reason you gave.

[Myrnalene]

Yay Captain Czarcasm of the Mod Defender Patrol heard my signal! Neither rain nor snow nor dark of night, etc.

Originally Posted by Czarcasm

2. Criticizing the actions of a moderator in The BBQ Pit instead of ATMB.

I wasn't criticizing her actions as a moderator, because it's not against board policy to flame people with mental illnesses. You have been here, way, way too long to argue with me on that point. Yes, I was also noted for breaking one of Ed's newer and more perplexing rules, but I don't actually have a problem with that, which is why I did not mention it.

I think I made my position pretty clear and I'm not interesting in tussling with you while you pretend to misunderstand it.

[Myrnalene]

Originally Posted by Czarcasm

And I just wanted to note that you weren't mod-noted for the specific reason you gave.

Ok, so sorry. I was mod noted for expressing my displeasure at something twickster said, specifically, "Flaming someone with mental health issues isn't exactly classy behavior, either." and also for saying fuck you, which is my bad, and is not a note I disagree with nor is it in any way whatsoever relevant to this thread, please forgive my oversight board historians.

Ok now?