[Mafia game] The Realm of Phere

[choie]

Originally Posted by Silver Jan

Choie, my BAD, I had forgotten what Normal had confided in us, Normal is probably haunting me now! OMG

(snip)

This just makes sense. Septimus is trying to make cases about players that are so Townie. How could I forget Normals words?

Well, hold on there, hon -- remember that Normal was the one who led the lynch mob on Astral the first time around, and we know he flipped Town at that point. I'm not saying Normal was necessarily wrong about septimus; I'm just mentioning this to clarify that I wasn't, by bringing up Normal's suspicions, intending to imply that she was definitely right; I just wanted to explain to septimus why you might not have trusted him at that point. Your reticence toward him is why he voted you, and I wanted him to understand that reticence.

Yeesh I have no idea if that paragraph made any sense.

[Silver Jan]

Originally Posted by choie

Well, hold on there, hon -- remember that Normal was the one who led the lynch mob on Astral the first time around, and we know he flipped Town at that point. I'm not saying Normal was necessarily wrong about septimus; I'm just mentioning this to clarify that I wasn't, by bringing up Normal's suspicions, intending to imply that she was definitely right; I just wanted to explain to septimus why you might not have trusted him at that point. Your reticence toward him is why he voted you, and I wanted him to understand that reticence.

Yeesh I have no idea if that paragraph made any sense.

I opened up to Septimus , cos I thought he was Town, he didn't tell me too much I have just re-read and it looked as if we trusted each other, what went wrong?

[septimus]

Originally Posted by Astral Rejection

Septimus: You asked for a trade of information, my element for yours. I saw no benefit in telling you, because that information would only help someone do extra damage in an attack against me.

Wrong. I knew you were an Attacker; by sharing elemental information attacks could be directed most effectively. Gadarene and I were already cooperating in that fashion.

I've just PM'ed my details to guiri. I hope he doesn't post them publicly just yet -- let's let Scum misclaim first -- but if he finds me Scummy after the PM, I hope to submit my head to the guillotine with good grace.

[Tanaer]

While I'm perusing the startup thread, this on colour & mechanics:

Originally Posted by ATPG in the startup thread

it has been foretold that a tremendously evil force will rise against the people of this kingdom, and that the unseen summoner or summoners of this force [mafia] are motivated by the desire for limitless power. It has also been revealed that the mastermind behind this attack is a traitor to the kingdom, not an outsider.

Desire for limitless power
Summoner(s)
Mastermind

I'm inclined to think Weedy was summoner, with all the signs, etc. But not necessarily the mastermind. Visorslash was certainly searching for power. I'm still inclined to think he corrupted during the game, based on the writeup (the mention of the relentless attacks)

Originally Posted by ATPG in Signup Thread

These adventurers are not an army. Many of these are simply skilled mercenaries motivated by greed and the promise of reward. Others feel it is their sworn duty to protect the defenseless. Still others have joined simply for the experience of an adventure and the chance to test themselves in battle. Some of these adventurers harbor a deep-seated distrust for others who have joined this group. Not everyone here is in this for anyone else but themselves. Many of these adventurers hail from races that despise one another and have been in a constant state of war for centuries. And there's also the known traitor within their midst. In such a group of varied people, there's also bound to be folks with unknown motivations.

PetW was an adventurer? I still suspect he was scum tho.

On my previous point, the game has been designed so that mass claims will hurt town more than help. And scum have been given cover. I'm not sure whether the argument that we have nothing to lose in a mass claim washes with me, if our situation is dire but still winnable, which is how I interpret what ATPG has said. It may be that the indicator for the thing the scum need will be right there.

[choie]

Originally Posted by Silver Jan

I opened up to Septimus , cos I thought he was Town, he didn't tell me too much I have just re-read and it looked as if we trusted each other, what went wrong?

Do you mean "we" as in you and me? 'Cause I have total trust in you and hopefully vice-versa. Or did you mean "we" as in septimus and you? Sorry, pronouns give me a headache.

[septimus]

Originally Posted by Silver Jan

I opened up to Septimus , cos I thought he was Town, he didn't tell me too much I have just re-read and it looked as if we trusted each other, what went wrong?

I did and do have a Town read on you! The problem, as I stated when I voted you, is: Who is Scum? Most of my suspects went down last Night and, although Visorslash was "Evil" he wasn't "Very Evil" which I think would be the mark of true Scum.

There's been a lot of PM'ing I've not been privy to; my weak suspicion of you vanished when I heard support from your Townish PM partners.

Simply by process of elimination, scathach, glee, fubbsy, and -- to be complete -- septimus may be the most logical remaining Scum candidates. Since scathach may be near death from damage, his Lynch may be unnecessary. At this point I may be as likely as anyone to get Lynched toDay. But that would be a misLynch.

[Silver Jan]

Originally Posted by choie

Do you mean "we" as in you and me? 'Cause I have total trust in you and hopefully vice-versa. Or did you mean "we" as in septimus and you? Sorry, pronouns give me a headache.

choie
I trust you, I trusted Septimus til he voted for me.

Scum are trying to not believe in our Town Team, right.

Unvote Septimus

Come on there are player out there that are scum

[Silver Jan]

I could be a bit paranoid here but why don't we look at Tanear and Weedy on D1, They were both looking after each other and then suddenly Tanear distanced herself from Weedy totally.

[Tanaer]

Originally Posted by Silver Jan

I could be a bit paranoid here but why don't we look at Tanear and Weedy on D1, They were both looking after each other and then suddenly Tanear distanced herself from Weedy totally.

Is this to cover me bringing up your entry with Weedy again SJ?

Really, how hard is this? Weedy is my bf out here in real life. She's an experienced player & I'm a newb. Suddenly we were together in a game where I could talk to her & get the benefit of her experience. She bothered me from D1 which I was upfront with her about, but I didn't trust my inexperience, and wanted the chance to play with her.

The only time I defended Weedy was when she was copping flak for something that was timezone related.

Gad had similar reactions but you still trust him, right?

Damn my bad luck. Two out of two games with Weedy and her scum in both.

[Astral Rejection]

Originally Posted by septimus

Wrong. I knew you were an Attacker; by sharing elemental information attacks could be directed most effectively. Gadarene and I were already cooperating in that fashion.

This is me being obtuse: I don't understand how that works. For example (and im making up these elements) If I'm element Air, and you're element Water, how does that help us coordinate an attack on somebody whose element is unknown to us?

[Tanaer]

Originally Posted by Astral Rejection

This is me being obtuse: I don't understand how that works. For example (and im making up these elements) If I'm element Air, and you're element Water, how does that help us coordinate an attack on somebody whose element is unknown to us?

I was all set to reply about mages & elements then I remembered you're not a mage- so, agreed. How could element possibly help any attack strategy?

[Tanaer]

Originally Posted by Tanaer

Is this to cover me bringing up your entry with Weedy again SJ?

Really, how hard is this? Weedy is my bf out here in real life. She's an experienced player & I'm a newb. Suddenly we were together in a game where I could talk to her & get the benefit of her experience. She bothered me from D1 which I was upfront with her about, but I didn't trust my inexperience, and wanted the chance to play with her.

The only time I defended Weedy was when she was copping flak for something that was timezone related.

Gad had similar reactions but you still trust him, right?

Damn my bad luck. Two out of two games with Weedy and her scum in both.

So, I'm sitting here staring at the board waiting for posts instead of getting on with some schoolwork. And realise you could read bf another way, so I'll just clarify the bleedingly obvious and state that Weedy is my best friend, and not a boyfriend. Now I'm gone for the nonce.

[GuiriEnEspaña]

Tanaer, I suspect that accounting for and taking responsibility for one's actions at this stage of the game isn't the same as a mass role claim however I do not want the "claim" to distract us toDay. If people wish to fill in the blanks in public or via PM, I'll compile the data.

Looking at the list of remaining players, I am not currently willing to lynch Gadarene, Astral, Septimus, Lightfoot, SilverJan, or choie.

That leaves:
- Scathach, who I'm currently voting for and am quite convinced she's a threat to town. Visor was able to heal himself so further attacks on Scathach may not suffice and she somehow survived a murder attempt last Night
- Fubbleskag, who has not posted in a long time, I'd be happy to attack
- Tanaer, who I really didn't notice until I saw that he'd voted items to me on several occasions, thanks!
- RealityTrip/Inner Stickler, barely noticed Inner since he returned
- Lilflower/Glee, no opinion, can you really not talk about your previous reincarnation?
- storyteller0910, is he alive?

I'm rather surprised that we're at Day 6, end game apparently, and I've not got a strong feel on several players, time for a review.

[choie]

Originally Posted by Astral Rejection

This is me being obtuse: I don't understand how that works. For example (and im making up these elements) If I'm element Air, and you're element Water, how does that help us coordinate an attack on somebody whose element is unknown to us?

You could bubble someone to death?

Seriously, I dunno. I suppose if Joe is Fire, and Sally is Earth, and they share info, and Sally separately shares info with Fred who turns out to be Water, presumably she could tell Fred (water) to attack Joe (fire).

[Tanaer]

Originally Posted by choie

You could bubble someone to death?

Seriously, I dunno. I suppose if Joe is Fire, and Sally is Earth, and they share info, and Sally separately shares info with Fred who turns out to be Water, presumably she could tell Fred (water) to attack Joe (fire).

But if Fred(water) isn't a mage, he just gets to attack with a weapon anyway.

[septimus]

Originally Posted by Astral Rejection

This is me being obtuse: I don't understand how that works. For example (and im making up these elements) If I'm element Air, and you're element Water, how does that help us coordinate an attack on somebody whose element is unknown to us?

You do what Gadarene and I were doing. Report your element and result. Note whether target took Double Damage or Half Damage. Using your element as row and the half/double result, look up to the top of the Damage Table to determine Target's element.

[Tanaer]

Originally Posted by GuiriEnEspaña

Tanaer, I suspect that accounting for and taking responsibility for one's actions at this stage of the game isn't the same as a mass role claim however I do not want the "claim" to distract us toDay. If people wish to fill in the blanks in public or via PM, I'll compile the data.

Looking at the list of remaining players, I am not currently willing to lynch Gadarene, Astral, Septimus, Lightfoot, SilverJan, or choie.

That leaves:
- Scathach, who I'm currently voting for and am quite convinced she's a threat to town. Visor was able to heal himself so further attacks on Scathach may not suffice and she somehow survived a murder attempt last Night
- Fubbleskag, who has not posted in a long time, I'd be happy to attack
- Tanaer, who I really didn't notice until I saw that he'd voted items to me on several occasions, thanks!
- RealityTrip/Inner Stickler, barely noticed Inner since he returned
- Lilflower/Glee, no opinion, can you really not talk about your previous reincarnation?
- storyteller0910, is he alive?

I'm rather surprised that we're at Day 6, end game apparently, and I've not got a strong feel on several players, time for a review.

Oh thanks, Guiri, I guess that's my inexperience showing. People have been using the words mass claim and I thought this was it. I didn't think of roles. Thanks for clarifying.

Re the items, I'm female, and you're welcome. You seemed a good bet to be town

I won't be attacking Today. Hanging up my sword. However I'm happy to look at any of the above for a lynch. I don't know how much time I'll have to dredge through posts tho.

I can't remember the case on Scathach, but he doesn't fill me with confidence gut wise.
Fubbles as 3rd party I'd not be considering, but Fubbles as the identifier that hasn't apparently done any and didn't reply to my request I'm much more happy with.
Inner does seem to have been ducking on return.
Glee doesn't ping me at the moment. And why would he be able to talk about his previous character?
Storyteller is really bothering me - I got the impression he was one of the experienced folk and the silence is deafening.

Guiri, do you know what the blue ring you got from Weedy does?

[Tanaer]

Originally Posted by septimus

You do what Gadarene and I were doing. Report your element and result. Note whether target took Double Damage or Half Damage. Using your element as row and the half/double result, look up to the top of the Damage Table to determine Target's element.

For the 3rd time, isn't this just a mage thing? As far as I know, this reasoning does not work if the attacker is a fighter type.

[Tanaer]

Originally Posted by Tanaer

For the 3rd time, isn't this just a mage thing? As far as I know, this reasoning does not work if the attacker is a fighter type.

I suppose I should shut up, since I haven't attacked anyone but Phere, so I'm doing a whopping great amount of assuming.

[septimus]

Now, it is true that in my one brief PM to you I did not blurt out that Gadarene and I were in contact, that I knew you and he were discussing targets, etc. I'm as bad at initiating dialog here as I am in real-life, and just started with the standard offer of element knowledge exchange that I made in most of PM's I tried.

Had you responded in any way, e.g. "Why do you want to know?" the conversation might have developed. I think I'd pointed out to Gadarene that, independent of me, you and he could maximize your Attacks with such info exchanges. IIRC he implied you two were not doing that, which left me puzzled and worried about your alignment.

Originally Posted by Tanaer

For the 3rd time, isn't this just a mage thing? As far as I know, this reasoning does not work if the attacker is a fighter type.

Maybe I've been confused about this. Gadarene, soldier type, implied to me that his results followed the schedule; but perhaps he was just getting "Normal" results in cases where Magic attacks would also get "Normal."

[septimus]

("You" in preceding post refers to Astral.)

[Silver Jan]

Originally Posted by Tanaer

I suppose I should shut up, since I haven't attacked anyone but Phere, so I'm doing a whopping great amount of assuming.

Yes, just shut up for now lol, I think you could be Town, I could be wrong but..... you look good to me now.

BTW I was joking Talk as much as you want to.

[GuiriEnEspaña]

Originally Posted by Tanaer

Glee doesn't ping me at the moment. And why would he be able to talk about his previous character?

I don't see why not and I don't see a moderator allowing a player to sub back in but asking them to forget everything they learned in the previous incarnation. The player cannot forget everything and will continue to let choices and actions be influenced by the previous incarnation. If the player is on the scum team, all intel will have been shared already, as the mod has no control over what happens off board.

@ Inner, were you given a similar warning about your brief existence?

Originally Posted by Tanaer

Guiri, do you know what the blue ring you got from Weedy does?

No, I just tried the Diamond one yesterDay and will try the blue one toDay.

[Tanaer]

Originally Posted by GuiriEnEspaña

I don't see why not and I don't see a moderator allowing a player to sub back in but asking them to forget everything they learned in the previous incarnation. The player cannot forget everything and will continue to let choices and actions be influenced by the previous incarnation. If the player is on the scum team, all intel will have been shared already, as the mod has no control over what happens off board.

I guess it just seems logical to me that a player subbing in after death would be asked to concentrate on being the new character and try to forget the other one. Obviously it's not totally enforceable, but you owe it to game balance as the host to at least ask, don't you?

But yeah, if the others weren't given similar instructions then it will start to smell.

[Silver Jan]

I tried my Sapphire pendant and I was told it was more of a defensive thing. That's why I wanted all the sapphire stuff to maybe make me stronger. I tried it against Visorslashs, cos I Didn't really care what it did

[Tanaer]

Originally Posted by Silver Jan

I tried my Sapphire pendant and I was told it was more of a defensive thing. That's why I wanted all the sapphire stuff to maybe make me stronger. I tried it against Visorslashs, cos I Didn't really care what it did

Hmm, interesting take. I was thinking more along the lines it was item type (e.g. pendant) that made it more likely to be defensive. Certainly helms, bracers, etc must be! But you could be right.

Even so, it's not a gem vs colour thing, as my ruby ring is definitely offensive.

Speaking of powers etc, my request for a heal still stands. I suppose I'd better guard myself but any assistance along that direction would also be gratefully appreciated. I'm passing back through fighter today, which leaves me very vulnerable with people at current levels.

[glee]

Originally Posted by GuiriEnEspaña

That leaves:
- Scathach, who I'm currently voting for and am quite convinced she's a threat to town. Visor was able to heal himself so further attacks on Scathach may not suffice and she somehow survived a murder attempt last Night
- Fubbleskag, who has not posted in a long time, I'd be happy to attack
- Tanaer, who I really didn't notice until I saw that he'd voted items to me on several occasions, thanks!
- RealityTrip/Inner Stickler, barely noticed Inner since he returned
- Lilflower/Glee, no opinion, can you really not talk about your previous reincarnation?
- storyteller0910, is he alive?

Originally Posted by GuiriEnEspaña

I don't see why not and I don't see a moderator allowing a player to sub back in but asking them to forget everything they learned in the previous incarnation. The player cannot forget everything and will continue to let choices and actions be influenced by the previous incarnation. If the player is on the scum team, all intel will have been shared already, as the mod has no control over what happens off board.

Originally Posted by Tanaer

I guess it just seems logical to me that a player subbing in after death would be asked to concentrate on being the new character and try to forget the other one. Obviously it's not totally enforceable, but you owe it to game balance as the host to at least ask, don't you?

But yeah, if the others weren't given similar instructions then it will start to smell.

A couple of game days after my LG Soldier was killed, AskthePizzaGuy contacted me to say there was a chance for me to return (as there were players not taking part.)
One condition was that I not use or discuss anything I learnt in my first incarnation.
After I made that promise, I got Lilflower's character (and I don't know anything about what that character did before I took over.)

[Silver Jan]

Originally Posted by glee

A couple of game days after my LG Soldier was killed, AskthePizzaGuy contacted me to say there was a chance for me to return (as there were players not taking part.)
One condition was that I not use or discuss anything I learnt in my first incarnation.
After I made that promise, I got Lilflower's character (and I don't know anything about what that character did before I took over.)

Well it is great to see you, have fun with the game or not, that's all I can say

[Silver Jan]

[quote=Silver Jan;15094878]Well it is great to see you, have fun with the game or not, that's all I can say[/Q

Tis a joke

Bored at the moment

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by glee

A couple of game days after my LG Soldier was killed, AskthePizzaGuy contacted me to say there was a chance for me to return (as there were players not taking part.)
One condition was that I not use or discuss anything I learnt in my first incarnation.
After I made that promise, I got Lilflower's character (and I don't know anything about what that character did before I took over.)

I initially thought that glee had been resurrected- toasted my thought process ( searching this set is a bender)

as messed up as this game is. ( not broken, just very cornfusing) Subbing someone in with prior knowledge that they are requested to forget is messed up

there is a dynamic change that is mucking me up here.

A player with Scum knowledge can not be subbed in to another character. Town can be thrown into either pool

[LightFoot]

I feel like I am no NFBSK help these days and I have no idea what to do about that.

guiri and septimus sound sane to me .

I did hypothesize earlier that pizzamod was using this game as some sort of a psych science project. I'm still not convinced I'm completely wrong.



Is anyone up for mod kill or have we ditched that ?

[LightFoot]

Since I'm asking... can I get a something for this question?

Originally Posted by LightFoot

question @ items
To we have to tell you that we are using an item, or are they just there?

IE does one have to tell you they want to " wear the tiara" or " use the sharp pointy stick" ?

I ask in case an item with say, protective qualities is just left on the nightstand it might not work?

I don't have a tiara or a sharp pointy stick and I still don't know what my items do. this is for information porpoises

[Inner Stickler]

Originally Posted by GuiriEnEspaña

@ Inner, were you given a similar warning about your brief existence?

I was told to consider my former role unfamiliar and unknown.

Realitytrip appears to have made some interesting choices and has not done me the favor of leaving notes so I am left with a lot of headscratching.

[Astral Rejection]

Lightfoot: I think we're on our own with all remaining players. As far as items go, they have to be actively used, if it can be used. Some items are defensive in nature and will activate as needed to defend their owner.

[Astral Rejection]

Hey guys, sorry I haven't posted anything of substantial value yet toDay. I'm gonna tackle finding scum tomorrow, I promise.

Reminder to folks like me: day ends on Saturday.

[Silver Jan]

Originally Posted by Astral Rejection

Hey guys, sorry I haven't posted anything of substantial value yet toDay. I'm gonna tackle finding scum tomorrow, I promise.

Reminder to folks like me: day ends on Saturday.

Are you sure????

I need time to think about a vote. This game was supposed to be just fun and I got so involved.

[GuiriEnEspaña]

Hello? Anyone want to lynch scum toDay?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

question @ items
To we have to tell you that we are using an item, or are they just there?

IE does one have to tell you they want to " wear the tiara" or " use the sharp pointy stick" ?

Defensive items will work on oneself automatically.

Defensive items will work on others if used like a spell, in place of other actions.

Offensive items will work like a spell, in place of other actions.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Is anyone up for mod kill or have we ditched that ?

Modkills at this point would be even worse than leaving them around.

[choie]

Originally Posted by GuiriEnEspaña

Hello? Anyone want to lynch scum toDay?

Hmm, yes, I'd say it's probably a good idea!

Bearing in mind what our mod just told us, I'm gonna

unvote Fubbleskag

And go for my second choice,

vote RealityTrip aka Inner Stickler

First, because of the lying, or at least obfuscating, to Town regarding the attack on Visorslash (who I bet was Town or at least Neutral early on in the game), then waffling on Astral, and now Inner being oddly quiet despite asking to be subbed (or having pizzamod specifically ask for a sub for Reality). And then there's septimus's rather strange exoneration of Inner for no reason that I can see, which makes me worried about septimus as well.

Guiri, do you have any doubts about RealityStickler (or should that be InnerTrip)? What pings you worst about Scathach?

[GuiriEnEspaña]

What pings me most about her?
- her one off votes, keeping her head down while gaining levels
- her lack of involvement in all of the lynches, lack of opinion and stances on the main lynch candidates
- her single post during a long silence D1-D2 to point out how she deserved credit
- her complete lack of scum hunting
- her avoidance of my WoW, not a mention, no response, not even an acknowledgement but I turned up dead that Night
- her apparent irritation at the resurrections
- upon my return, no defence against the votes she's received but an attack on me, her accuser, citing my participation since being resurrected (which was a problem for some before I was even killed) and my fixation on her (she's voiced no suspicions except me!)
- the lurking, she's around enough to pop in with a strategy or random comment on color, but no attempt to find the bad guys. She's online right now...

[GuiriEnEspaña]

Choie, endgame usually means that scum is close to controlling the vote. If this were a standard game of mafia, endgame with 15 players would mean 5 or 6 scum alive, 6 or 7 townies and some third parties. Between neutral, evil, very evil and what have you, I've no idea what to expect in this game but I doubt there's only 1 bad guy left to find and, given the reveals, I doubt we're on the verge of winning but I suspect we need to attempt to distinguish between neutrals and evils.

I do not buy the neutral's claim that they can win if they survive when town wins, that's sort of the opposite of neutral. I suspect Septimus is a liar, probably fubbles too, but I don't think killing them is going to push us closer to our wincon. As for RealityTrip/Inner? Give me a chance to review...

[choie]

I just asked for what pinged you worst, Guiri! Geeze! Skimming is a scum tell!

But seriously. Disregarding the Guiri-centric aspects of the above (and of course I understand why you'd be focused on your interactions with her), it is very unfortunately true that lack of participation, not voting, not acting (at least in any apparent manner), is true of a majority of people left on the board.

Like, I think Tanaer is Townish, but looking over her history it is crazy with missed votes and forgotten dates and so on. IIRC she's new at this, though I dunno, in my first game I was extremely anxious to participate and get everything done. I think I missed one vote deadline, but otherwise I think it's more natural for newbies to be more enthusiastic in the game, not less. OTOH, she also seems very skittish and defensive -- she feels ignored, yet doesn't participate in votes or fails to make any actions (claims not to, anyway), so... ugh, I don't know. I think I've just managed to bump Tanaer up to my fourth slot.

But all that said, I think that you have far more specific and justified reasons to mistrust Scathach than I have to mistrust RealityInnerTripStickler. So while I'd like to keep the vote where it is for a little while longer, just to see if anyone else has any other recollections of RealityTrip's odd behavior or if septimus can explain why he's so certain of Inner's Townhood... I'm just about convinced to switch.

(Gadzooks, look at me. I'm turning as vote-unvote-happy as Normal.)

[GuiriEnEspaña]

Inner v2.0
#2849 Suspects blue flip = Town, red = scum, therefore only 1 dead scum
#2888 To Visor, questions why there are writeups if the flips have no meaning or relevance to the game state
#2914 Votes Gnarly, no reasoning given except for others' cases (that he killed Gadarene), to Astral would like to see if Phere can really be hurt, and see if Mosier is hurt too
#3133 Returns to comment on gnarly possibly being a lover and needing to find Gadarene
#3135 Or a mercenary, hired to kill Gad
#3153 Fluffy generic comment on lovers/masons
#3168, 3170 & 3172 Fluffy hall monitoring spat between Story and choie, some players don't post much, apologizes for tone
#3197 Fluffy complaint about lack of PM contact
#3231 Fluffy comment about Pizza needing a co-mod
#3288 Agrees that fubbles would be a good target for an attack
#3333 Comments on subbing in

So, in summary, since subbing in, he's avoided playing the game as much as possible... What sort of "interesting choices" did Reality make? A change in moral alignment perhaps? Let's see.

[choie]

Cool, thanks, Guiri. In fairness to Inner... that kinda is how he plays either way. He was lynched in two different games I played because he was "helpful" and "fluffy." Both times? Town.

As far as "interesting" he may have meant the sneaking into Visorslash's home and attacking him, then lying about it to Town, and then going through a series of less-than-useful PM conversations with Normal.

Combining the two it's not a pretty picture, IMHO. And again, not to harp on it (but what the hell, I'll harp on it anyway), I'm very curious about why septimus has mentally cleared him. Maybe they've been in contact and Inner's made a claim? ... Or they're both scumbuddies. Or septimus is snuggling Inner. Or Inner has been secretly snuggling septimus. Or and or and or...

[Astral Rejection]

Originally Posted by GuiriEnEspaña

- her avoidance of my WoW, not a mention, no response, not even an acknowledgement but I turned up dead that Night

This is the part that bothers me the most. Scum typically kill for entirely predictable reasons. I can entirely believe that your WoW led to your death. And, as circumstantial as that piece is, the rest of your case is pretty good, too.

I'm home from work and as promised am jumping back into the game. See you soon with some posts!

[GuiriEnEspaña]

Meh, realitytrip
#154, says hi, has played werewold before
#338 starts off defending VisorSlash "Visorslash comes off as annoying and slightly antagonistic...but that really seems to be him, as evidenced by other posters from previous games. And would scum really want to come out as antagonistic on day one? Seems far fetched to me.." and even votes Mahaloth for his vote on Visorslash.
#432 comment which looks like PIS about the triple voter being non-town and the double voters being town
#439 asks Inner to explain why he chose to protect Visorslash, seems to be a pet interest
#59 is quick to determine that the battle kill was caused by scum, wonders about the magical kill, fishes for ideas: "It would be nice as a collective town to come up with an idea of some of the powers floating around... "
#868 when accused of lurking hardcore, claims it's his first game of mafia "That is fair. All I can say is that this is my first mafia game and I feel like I have been thrown into the deep end of the pool" and that he's in the deep end. Not entirely true about being a noob.
#885 comments on items and their effect on posessors
#960 I remember this post feeling false, seems really upset to discover that the triple vote wasn't a one-off power "Damn. There goes my (admittedly small) hope that the triple vote was a one time power. Why is it public on day 2 though? Is it a limitation on the power or is it at the discretion of the user?"
#1181 Votes items, promises analysis, wonders about the triple voter
#1303 Votes Normal (not valid), is annoyed by her attempt at steering the vote her way
#1530 Oops, about vote
#1564 More about oops and vote not counting
#1657 Responds to accusations from Weedy, point by point...

And I just realized that I'm basically recyclying Weedy's case against RealityTrip... And we know that weedy was not a nice guy, so, ahem.

And on preview I see what Inner meant about interesting choices, can you link me to Normal's post where she discussed that?

[Inner Stickler]

I'm pretty sure that Septimus' absolution is an attempt to not find a newly subbed in player scummy on the basis of they haven't been around much.

Fuck it, I never do well being cagey.

I'm an assassin and I took a swing at Scathach last night. Realitytrip has been rocking the chaotic actions pretty hard and in doing so, I think made his row harder to hoe. Normal said she wanted Scathach dead, I tried to make that happen, but scathach obviously deflected the attack. I'm willing to lynch her instead though.


Vote Scathach

[choie]

Originally Posted by GuiriEnEspaña

And on preview I see what Inner meant about interesting choices, can you link me to Normal's post where she discussed that?

Sure. #1658: Perfect Information?: Wonders if RT had PIS by focusing on three extra votes rather than five, using the hypothesis that no one other than Normal and Visorslash should've known that the two missing votes weren't connected to scum.

#2233: The PM Exchange - Back and forth between Normal and RT


#2239: Third Party - Normal is waffling whether RT is 3rd party as claimed, or scum.

#2242: The Attacks - Lists all of the attacks by RT she knows of.

And on preview I see that Inner is claiming Assassin. I really think I might be right and there's a band of brothers among the 3rd party crew. Suddenly quick to vote on Scathach. Who's bussing whom?

[Inner Stickler]

It would be nice to have a band of brothers. Sigh.