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Old 05-18-2012, 03:38 AM
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Should Obama use "Born in the USA" as a re-elect theme song?

I think it would be clever on several levels, but mainly on the level of "Here's a guy with confidence to play up what only his worst idiot opponents take seriously as an issue," and I don't think the Boss would mind, though the song is hardly as jingoisitic as the title would lead one to believe. Reagan tried it, and got blocked, but I don't think he ever heard it, just some staffers who didn't get it. Obama could be saying, "Yeah, I think the USA's got some issues, but none we can't fix with enough hard work" at the same time he brags about being born in the US.
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Old 05-18-2012, 03:49 AM
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I think it would be clever on several levels, but mainly on the level of "Here's a guy with confidence to play up what only his worst idiot opponents take seriously as an issue," and I don't think the Boss would mind, though the song is hardly as jingoisitic as the title would lead one to believe.
Maybe he should use "Back in the USSR" since those are the policies he likes.

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Old 05-18-2012, 04:03 AM
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A cute idea, but adding more fuel to the fire probably isn't a good idea.

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Maybe he should use "Back in the USSR" since those are the policies he likes.
Hardly. He's about as left wing as Reagan.
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Old 05-18-2012, 04:08 AM
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A cute idea, but adding more fuel to the fire probably isn't a good idea.


Hardly. He's about as left wing as Reagan.
I can't see Reagan signing the Patriot Act or NDAA
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Old 05-18-2012, 04:19 AM
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I can't see Reagan signing the Patriot Act or NDAA
Why not? And what makes those left wing?
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Old 05-18-2012, 04:27 AM
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Why not? And what makes those left wing?
They may not be left-wing socially or economically, but they are totalitarian ideas. Having lived in a Communist country, I much prefer the freedom that America was founded on... and won't be voting for Obama or Romney... I live overseas so my vote won't get counted anyway.
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Old 05-18-2012, 04:42 AM
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nm; too much snark

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Old 05-18-2012, 05:03 AM
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They may not be left-wing socially or economically, but they are totalitarian ideas. Having lived in a Communist country, I much prefer the freedom that America was founded on... and won't be voting for Obama or Romney... I live overseas so my vote won't get counted anyway.
America wasn't "founded on freedom"; it was founded by rich white men (many of whom owned slaves; some freedom) who made speeches about freedom. Not the same thing; America hasn't been especially free for a very long time. And Reagan was certainly anti-freedom.
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Old 05-18-2012, 05:08 AM
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That would be a poor choice of campaign theme song. It is a song about a divided country ignoring its Vietnam era veterans. Incidentally, Reagan's campaign in 84 used it extensively and Springsteen objected. The Reagan people didn't even listen to the lyrics.
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Old 05-18-2012, 05:22 AM
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Why would a candidate want to associate himself with the loss of American ideals? Would he think the bulk of his supporters, or those who could be attracted to them, can't be bothered to learn the verses of a song, only a one-line chorus, as if they're mostly pro wrestling fans?

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No such thing. Come on, out with it.

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Old 05-18-2012, 05:46 AM
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I can't see Reagan signing the Patriot Act or NDAA
Yeah, Reagan was concerned with undue surveillance of US citizens. On the other hand, he didn't care particularly for South Africans, Grenadians, Iraqis, Saudi Arabians, Palestinians, Nicaraguans, Costa Ricans, Salvadorans, Hondurans or Guatemalans (unless they were subjugating the native population, of course).
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Old 05-18-2012, 06:04 AM
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Why would a candidate want to associate himself with the loss of American ideals? Would he think the bulk of his supporters, or those who could be attracted to them, can't be bothered to learn the verses of a song, only a one-line chorus, as if they're mostly pro wrestling fans?
What? You think the Pubbies will look beyond the title? And point out subtleties in the lyrics? They'll simply go nuts from the audacity of Obama's association with the idea of "Born in the USA."

And if they DO raise the lyrics, he can just point out that Saint Ronnie tried to use it in '84, and no one on the right argued that the song was anti-patriotic then. Win/win.
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Old 05-18-2012, 06:55 AM
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A Milli Vanilli song would be more appropriate...

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Old 05-18-2012, 07:33 AM
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I hope this doesn't sound racist, but I think We Want the Funk would be a bad ass campaign song.

"Tear The Roof Off The Sucker"
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Old 05-18-2012, 08:03 AM
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This is election related, so I am moving it to Elections, although I suspect that it would do better in IMHO or even the Pit.
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Old 05-18-2012, 08:51 AM
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And if they DO raise the lyrics, he can just point out that Saint Ronnie tried to use it in '84, and no one on the right argued that the song was anti-patriotic then. Win/win.
Yes. Intellectual 'gotchas' have always proven to be boons to the candidates who make them.
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Old 05-18-2012, 09:53 AM
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They may not be left-wing socially or economically, but they are totalitarian ideas. Having lived in a Communist country, I much prefer the freedom that America was founded on... and won't be voting for Obama or Romney... I live overseas so my vote won't get counted anyway.
Well let's see: you love this country so much that you live overseas and can't be bothered to learn that US citizens living abroad can vote.
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Old 05-18-2012, 10:12 AM
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I preferred the one he played as entrance music at the Correspondent's Dinner last year - "I Am A Real American". Aka, Hulk Hogan's entrance music.
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Old 05-18-2012, 10:18 AM
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I preferred the one he played as entrance music at the Correspondent's Dinner last year - "I Am A Real American". Aka, Hulk Hogan's entrance music.
I want to see Obama "playing" guitar like Hogan: http://www.mudtrap.com/images/hogan_guitar.gif
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Old 05-18-2012, 10:46 AM
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I hope this doesn't sound racist, but I think We Want the Funk would be a bad ass campaign song.

"Tear The Roof Off The Sucker"
Chocolate City.

Actually, to stay in line with the OP and turn the birthers on their head, anything from Mothership Connection to Bop Gun would work--the mythology of aliens bringing back the Funk both pokes at the birther issue and is a much more positive message than BitUSA.

Would that make Romney Sir Nose?

psycho-alpha-disco-beta-bio-aqua-doo-loop

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Old 05-18-2012, 11:08 AM
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[hijack]

If the Working Families Party or something like it ever takes off at the national level, to the point of having any use for a song, its song should be, "Time Is On My Side."

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Old 05-18-2012, 11:13 AM
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Chocolate to the Bone.
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Old 05-18-2012, 11:38 AM
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What? You think the Pubbies will look beyond the title? And point out subtleties in the lyrics? They'll simply go nuts from the audacity of Obama's association with the idea of "Born in the USA."

And if they DO raise the lyrics, he can just point out that Saint Ronnie tried to use it in '84, and no one on the right argued that the song was anti-patriotic then. Win/win.
Thing is, it's my understanding that campaign rally music is primarily to pump up the energy level for one's supporters.

I would hope that President Obama's supporters are more likely to listen to the lyrics than are Gov. Romney's.

I'd prefer that the campaign not use the song.
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Old 05-18-2012, 09:17 PM
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While I think it's a really bad song for a political campaign, you gotta admit, it WOULD really tweek the Birthers.
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Old 05-18-2012, 09:23 PM
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I'd prefer he used a good song. I'm on board with the P-Funk suggestions. Better songs and probably more red meat to the Tea Partiers.
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Old 05-18-2012, 09:25 PM
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Well, "The Internationale" is long out of copyright, isn't it?
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Old 05-18-2012, 10:27 PM
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Made in the USA mug

Well the Obama campaign does have a little fun with the paranoid conspiracy theorists. One of their mugs displays the long form birth certificate.
https://store.barackobama.com/made-in-the-usa-mug.html
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Old 05-19-2012, 12:15 AM
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Oh, let's just lose all subtlety.

Cult of Personality

But only if at the very end of the song, he does exactly what I do. It has Winston Churchill's line "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself".

After which I always add, in my best Winston Churchill voice... "and spiders".
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Old 05-19-2012, 12:19 AM
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Oh, let's just lose all subtlety.

Cult of Personality
Or given the significant percentage of Republicans who think he might be the Antichrist, perhaps some Latin chanting, and red under-lighting at the podium.
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Old 05-19-2012, 12:34 AM
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Or given the significant percentage of Republicans who think he might be the Antichrist, perhaps some Latin chanting, and red under-lighting at the podium.
That's it! The theme song! Ave Satani!

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Old 05-19-2012, 01:20 AM
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It has Winston Churchill's line "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself".
Winston Churchill?

It was FD Roosevelt, first paragraph of his 1933 Inaugural Address.

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So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance.
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Old 05-20-2012, 02:22 PM
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Huh, I didn't even realize that Fear Itself was running.
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:19 PM
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Anyways, Honolulu is no "dead man town."
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Old 05-22-2012, 09:51 PM
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Huh, I didn't even realize that Fear Itself was running.
Santorum dropped.
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Old 05-23-2012, 05:16 PM
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"Shaft" theme song.
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Old 05-23-2012, 06:02 PM
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He should use Beyonce's version of "God Bless the USA!"
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Old 05-23-2012, 06:28 PM
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I think he should stick with "Hail to the Chief". Romney can't top him on that one.

But he can use James Garner's lyrics:

"Hail to the Chief
If you don't I'll have to kill you
I am the Chief
So you better watch your step, you bastards"
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Old 05-25-2012, 10:49 AM
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Huh, I didn't even realize that Fear Itself was running.
I'm on the Dark Horse ticket.

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