SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread

[Morgenstern]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

I am talking about violent street crime. Germany has one of the lowest murder rates in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

The second sentence in your linked material, The reliability of underlying national murder rate data may vary.[1] - sort of sums up your posting style.

[New Deal Democrat]

Originally Posted by Morgenstern

The second sentence in your linked material, The reliability of underlying national murder rate data may vary.[1] - sort of sums up your posting style.

Here is another source for you that agrees in essence with the first one I posted:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ers-per-capita

This is what the State Department has to say about crime in Germany:

CRIME: Violent crime is rare in Germany.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p...123.html#crime

[Ibn Warraq]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

Mestizos are a hybrid race of whites and American Indians. Honduras gets its high murder rate from a number of factors including the American Indian ancestry of the mestizos. Countries where nearly everyone is white or Oriental nearly always have low murder rates because whites and Orientals are at five to ten thousand years away from a paleolithic way of life. The only white country I am aware of with a high murder rate is Russia. The only Oriental country is North Korea.

You're again discrediting yourself and making yourself look stupid.

You've regularly insisted on referring to African-Americans as "negroes" or "blacks" yet you insist that mestizos aren't "caucasians" or "whites".

Please explain the logic behind this because it strikes me as both illogical and unscientific.

[Fuji]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

Your vulgarity discredits what you say, and ought to embarrass civil people who agree with you, or who at least pretend to.

Your stupidity and dishonesty discredits what you say, and you are certainly an embarrassment to the SDMB.

Mestizos are a hybrid race of whites and American Indians. Honduras gets its high murder rate from a number of factors including the American Indian ancestry of the mestizos. Countries where nearly everyone is white or Oriental nearly always have low murder rates because whites and Orientals are at five to ten thousand years away from a paleolithic way of life. The only white country I am aware of with a high murder rate is Russia. The only Oriental country is North Korea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

Race is not the only factor influencing a country's murder rate, but it seems to be the most important.

What about Bolivia, you cretinous chimp?

To paraphrase a quote from a critic of yours a few pages back:

Your theories are garbage and you should feel like garbage.

[Fuji]

Originally Posted by Morgenstern

The second sentence in your linked material, The reliability of underlying national murder rate data may vary.[1] - sort of sums up your posting style.

Yeah, I pointed that out to him a few pages back, but he just keeps going merrily along, imbecile that he is (I'm guessing his mother was a heavy drinker back when NDD was just a worthless little bun-in-the-oven).

It's worth quoting again what the first two paragraphs of his most beloved cite actually say:

"The reliability of underlying national murder rate data may vary.[1] The legal definition of "intentional homicide" differs among countries. Intentional homicide may or may not include infanticide, assisted suicide or euthanasia.
Intentional homicide demographics are affected by changes in trauma care, leading to changed lethality of violent assaults, so the intentional homicide rate may not necessarily indicate the overall level of societal violence.[2] They may also be underreported for political reasons.[3][4]"

[Truman Burbank]

It's funny, in a sad way, when his own cites contradict his position.
When it is pointed out to him, he moves on to a new topic. But I mean, if the unfair help that blacks receive aren't the cause of his failures in his own life, what explanation could possibly remain?

[Truman Burbank]

"Tell me MrDibble, have you ever raped anyone?"
OOOhh, and I thought you were the polite one? Your putresence deepens...

[LeeshaJoy]

Originally Posted by brazil84

See the links I posted in Post #3099.

I take it you decline to answer the questions I asked you earlier?

I've seen people answer your questions dozens of times and be completely disregarded. I choose not to bother. Why don't you save us both some time and put me on your little ignore list?

[Truman Burbank]

Ya know,NDD, guys who read those 'Mandingo' books have deeper issues than they know...

[New Deal Democrat]

Originally Posted by Fuji

What about Bolivia, you cretinous chimp?

In Bolivia, a 62% majority of residents over the age of 15 self-identify as belonging to an indigenous people,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Bolivia

The murder rate in Bolivia per 100,000 inhabitants is 8.9.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Bolivia

While lower than one would would expect, considering the large Indian population, that is still higher than the United States, which has a corresponding rate of 4.8.

The per capita gross domestic product in Bolivia is $4,800.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...oa&rank=153#bl

While low, that is higher than in a number of countries like India, where the per capita gross domestic product is lower than in Bolivia, and the murder rate is lower than in the United States.

India has one of the oldest traditions of civilization in the world. That is why the murder rate is low there, despite a high degree of poverty.

[brazil84]

Originally Posted by LeeshaJoy

I've seen people answer your questions dozens of times and be completely disregarded.

Nonsense, but at least you have the intelligence to come up with a lame rationalization.

I choose not to bother.

Suit yourself . . . bye.

[Truman Burbank]

I fear NDD has gone to his bunk...

[LeeshaJoy]

Originally Posted by brazil84

Suit yourself . . . bye.

Wow. I almost give a damn.

[Vinyl Turnip]

I'd bet five thousand of b84's dollars that NDD's Packard Bell is jammed to capacity with cuckold porn of the "hung black bulls ravish and impregnate frustrated white housewife whose husband's tiny limp cock could never satisfy her" variety.

[Truman Burbank]

No bet!

[Smeghead]

Originally Posted by Smeghead

This is, of course, SOP for him. Ignore what you can't bluff past.

See?

[kidchameleon]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

The only Oriental country is North Korea.

Burma's filled with black people these days? And Lithuania must have had an influx as well.

[Ibn Warraq]

Originally Posted by kidchameleon

Burma's filled with black people these days? And Lithuania must have had an influx as well.

Don't forget those dark-skinned Estonians.

For that matter virtually all Costa Ricans would be offended if you suggested they were anything but white and their murder rate is up there.

[Chen019]

Originally Posted by gamerunknown

Jensen and Rushton could also count as "specialists in mental testing". I don't know of anyone under the age of 30 espousing a genetic view of intelligence though.

I guess no one under 30 reads the Guardian newspaper?

"It has been getting clearer and clearer that any genetic contribution to traits on which people differ – like height and weight – comes about from large numbers of gene differences, each with very small effects," said Prof Ian Deary of the University of Edinburgh, who led the research on intelligence. "We thought that was one possibility for cognitive ability differences, and our results are compatible with that."

To test his idea, researchers looked at more than half a million locations in the genetic code of 3,511 unrelated adults. Each of these sites is where people are known to have single-letter variations in their DNA, called single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs). These variations were correlated with the individuals' performance in two types of psychometric tests that are established in assessing intelligence: one test measuring recalled knowledge (via vocabulary) and the second measuring problem-solving skills.

They found that 40% of the variation in knowledge (called "crystallised intelligence" by the researchers) and 51% of the variation in problem-solving skills ("fluid-type intelligence") between individuals could be accounted for by the differences in DNA. The results are published on Tuesday in the journal Molecular Psychiatry.

Or the New York Times?

The most prominent finding of behavioral genetics has been summarized by the psychologist Eric Turkheimer: “The nature-nurture debate is over. . . . All human behavioral traits are heritable.” By this he meant that a substantial fraction of the variation among individuals within a culture can be linked to variation in their genes. Whether you measure intelligence or personality, religiosity or political orientation, television watching or cigarette smoking, the outcome is the same. Identical twins (who share all their genes) are more similar than fraternal twins (who share half their genes that vary among people). Biological siblings (who share half those genes too) are more similar than adopted siblings (who share no more genes than do strangers). And identical twins separated at birth and raised in different adoptive homes (who share their genes but not their environments) are uncannily similar.

[Belowjob2.0]

Originally Posted by Vinyl Turnip

I'd bet five thousand of b84's dollars that NDD's Packard Bell is jammed to capacity with cuckold porn of the "hung black bulls ravish and impregnate frustrated white housewife whose husband's tiny limp cock could never satisfy her" variety.

Either that or he keeps getting rejected in his bid to be a volunteer masseur for his local NBA team. Why do they torment him so with their long, brown, muscular limbs, and their firm, high riding buttocks?

[pravnik]

Eric Turkheimer has some other things to say on the topic.

If the question of African IQ is a matter of empirical science, exactly what piece of evidence are we waiting for? What would finally convince the racialists that they are wrong? Nothing, it seems to me, except the arrival of the day when the IQ gap disappears, and that is going to take a while. The history of Africans in the modern West is roughly as follows: Millennia of minding their own business in Africa, followed by 200 years of enslavement by a foreign civilization, followed by 100 years of Jim Crow oppression, followed by fifty years of very incomplete equality and freedom. And now the scientific establishment, apparently even the progressive scientific establishment, is impatient enough with Africans' social development that it seems reasonable to ask whether the problem is in the descendants of our former slaves' genes. If that isn't offensive I don't know what is.

Having said that I should add that I believe absolutely in freedom of expression and inquiry everywhere, but especially in academia. The racialists are entitled to their tenure and their speaking engagements and their promotions, but they are not entitled to my encouragement or respect.

I will close with a word on Watson. He is not really a racial scientist to any significant degree, he just expressed a point of view that I think is false and destructive. No one deserves to be punished for expressing a point of view, but there is another consideration here. Watson is a legitimately respected and famous person on the basis of his great scientific accomplishments and the awards they have won for him, but those accomplishments don't have very much to do with racial differences in intelligence, except that both domains involve the concept of "genes" in a very general way. It is safe to say that he does not know anything more about the subject than anyone writing here. He is, of course, still entitled to his opinion, but famous scientists and intellectuals have some responsibility not to use their fame in the service of dangerous ideas that are ultimately outside their real expertise. Watson got in trouble for casually stating poorly informed opinions about a deeply serious subject. He is still the great scientist he always was, and I admired the apparent sincerity of his apology, but he deserved most of the criticism he got.

http://www.cato-unbound.org/2007/11/...r/race-and-iq/

[Chen019]

Originally Posted by pravnik

Eric Turkheimer has some other things to say on the topic.

http://www.cato-unbound.org/2007/11/...r/race-and-iq/

Linda Gottfredson has an interesting rejoinder to Turkheimer in that exchange:

Proponents of the taboo on discussing race and IQ assume that the taboo is all for the common good, but whose good, exactly, is served? It is most certainly not individuals of below-average intelligence, who face a tremendous uphill battle in modern, literate societies where life becomes increasingly complex by the day. General intelligence (g) is simply a general proficiency to learn and reason. Put another way, it is the ability to deal with complexity or avoid cognitive error. Virtually everything in life requires some learning or reasoning and thus confers an advantage on brighter individuals. Life is complex, and complexity operates like a headwind that impedes progress more strongly for individuals lower on the IQ continuum. Everyone makes cognitive mistakes, but lower intelligence increases the risk of error.

Take, for example, health care. Patients differ enormously in intelligence level, and these differences have life and death consequences for them. Individuals of lower health literacy, or IQ, are less likely to seek preventive care even when it is free, use curative care effectively when they get it, understand and adhere to treatment regimens, or avoid health-damaging behavior. They have worse health, more accidental injuries, higher health costs, and die sooner—regardless of income, insurance coverage, or quality of health care. Health care matters, as do material resources and motivation, but mental resources matter too. They are critical in the prevention and self-management of chronic illnesses such as diabetes and heart disease. Health self-care is an increasingly complex life-long job for all of us, which becomes even more complex as we age and experience more health problems.

It overstates only slightly to say that health care providers currently pay no attention to patient differences in the ability to learn and understand. As health literacy researchers have shown, however, a sizeable fraction of patients in urban hospital outpatient clinics are unable to understand an appointment slip (when to come back), a label indicating how to take four pills a day, or, among their insulin-dependent diabetic patients, the signs of low (or high) sugar and what action to take to bring their blood sugar back under control. Do proportionately more blacks have such problems? Yes, many more. Is that a reason to continue ignoring or disputing individual and group differences in g?

[pravnik]

Whatever disagreements Turkheimer and Gottfredson have are entirely irrelevant and beside the point. The point is that you are posting a misconstrued and misstated opinion of an expert in support of your argument when he actually holds a completely different position, is offended at the argument you advance, and holds those advancing your position in deep, deep contempt. To put it mildly, it doesn't help your argument.

[partyforever]

Originally Posted by MrDibble

This is the last time I post in this thread:
there's a link to the source you want in your own fucking cite, you brain-dead racist cocktwat.

The level of racist hate rhetoric is almost unbelievable in South Africa. They are inciting hatred and the murder of whites. 12 white farmers have been murdered in June so I don't care about your chicken shit race and culture. My people built South Africa into the 15th largest economy in the world with the 9th largest stock exchange - my people are getting killed. And you should know something about apartheid: they had 7 kids in a family. And if you have 7 kids, it doesn't matter whether you live in the USA or in apartheid South Africa - you would struggle feeding 7 kids. So I don't feel anything for your race and your shit. I made a success. Living apart from you. You had to come work for me.

[Chen019]

Originally Posted by pravnik

Whatever disagreements Turkheimer and Gottfredson have are entirely irrelevant and beside the point. The point is that you are posting a misconstrued and misstated opinion of an expert in support of your argument when he actually holds a completely different position, is offended at the argument you advance, and holds those advancing your position in deep, deep contempt. To put it mildly, it doesn't help your argument.

Please re-read my comment. I quoted the NY Times and Guardian articles in support of the generally accepted position that variation in intelligence is significantly due to genetic variation.

I was replying to the comment of gamerunknown which appeared to suggest this was an unusual or outdated position.

[pravnik]

Originally Posted by Chen019

Please read my comment before commenting. I quoted the NY Times and Guardian articles in support of the generally accepted position now being that variation in intelligence is substantially due to genetic variation.

And the expert you quote finds your views on racial science repugnant and abhorrent.

[Chen019]

Originally Posted by pravnik

And the expert you quote finds your views on racial science repugnant and abhorrent.

So what? Some people find homos8xuality repugnant and abhorrent. Do we listen to them?

Ultimately, in the case of group differences it's an empirical question. This kind of research may help resolve it.

But the organisation is involved in even more controversial projects. It is about to embark on a search for the genetic underpinning of intelligence. Two thousand Chinese schoolchildren will have 2,000 of their protein-coding genes sampled, and the results correlated with their test scores at school. Though it will cover less than a tenth of the total number of protein-coding genes, it will be the largest-scale examination to date of the idea that differences between individuals’ intelligence scores are partly due to differences in their DNA.

Dr Yang is also candid about the possibility of the 1,000-genome project revealing systematic geographical differences in human genetics—or, to put it politically incorrectly, racial differences. The differences that have come to light so far are not in sensitive areas such as intelligence. But if his study of schoolchildren does find genes that help control intelligence, a comparison with the results of the 1,000-genome project will be only a mouse-click away.

[pravnik]

Originally Posted by Chen019

So what?

So person whose opinion you were using to advance your argument actually strongly disagrees with you and finds your position repugnant and abhorrent. There is absolutely, positively no way around it. The best thing to do is to ignore it as inconvenient information to the contrary in one's own argument and move on.

[Chen019]

Originally Posted by pravnik

So person whose opinion you were using to advance your argument actually strongly disagrees with you and finds your position repugnant and abhorrent. There is absolutely, positively no way around it. The best thing to do is to ignore it as inconvenient information to the contrary in one's own argument and move on.

Again - re-read my original comment above. I cited the Pinker NY Times article along with the Guardian article to show the idea that variation in intelligence is significantly due to genes is uncontroversial. Those are two decidedly liberal even leftist papers.

Whether Turkheimer finds research on group differences repugnant is a matter of ethics. As I noted above - the question of whether such differences exist and what causes them, is an empirical question.

[andros]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

Time Science Thursday, May 06, 2010

"The Neanderthal DNA appears in the modern human genomes randomly, suggesting it offers no evolutionary benefit and is merely a genetic relic."


So what was your thesis again? That Neanderthal DNA, serving no useful purpose, somehow makes Papua New Guinean, Han Chinese, and French people smarter than San and Yoruba?

Because I'd like to see some evidence to back that up.

-a-

[pravnik]

You posted an expert's opinion in support of your argument when that expert in actuality strongly disagrees with you, finds your position repugnant and abhorrent, and would no doubt be deeply offended by your use of his work to advance your argument. There is no way around it. Best to ignore it and move on.

[Chen019]

Originally Posted by pravnik

You posted an expert's opinion in support of your argument when that expert in actuality strongly disagrees with you, finds your position repugnant and abhorrent, and would no doubt be deeply offended by your use of his work to advance your argument. There is no way around it. Best to ignore it and move on.

You seem to think that I posted the Pinker NY Times article, citing Turkheimer, as saying group differences are partially genetic. If you read my comment - I quoted it, along with the research cited in the Guardian, in support of the proposition that individual differences in intelligence are due in part to genetic differences. This was in response to the comment that I don't know of anyone under the age of 30 espousing a genetic view of intelligence though.

Do you understand now or do I need to explain this point again for you?

[pravnik]

You posted the opinion of an expert in support of your argument when that expert wholeheartedly disagrees with you, thinks people advancing your position are not enititled to his encouragement or respect, and would be appalled that his work is being used to advance your position. You simply can't get around it. Ignore it and move on.

[Chen019]

@ pravnik

I see, you are a bot repeating yourself. This makes more sense now I won't expect you to understand subtle points like an article simply being posted to show it is well accepted that genetic variation contributes to individual differences in intelligence. I was starting to think you might be a moron

[pravnik]

You're halfway there. Ignore the fact that you quoted an expert completely, 100% categorically in deep fundamental disagreement with you, and then move on.

[Chen019]

Originally Posted by pravnik

You're halfway there. Ignore the fact that you quoted an expert completely, 100% categorically in deep fundamental disagreement with you, and then move on.

Did you get past High School?

[pravnik]

Originally Posted by Chen019

Did you get past High School?

Yes, considerably. Now, move on.

[silenus]

Why are we allowing the pig fuckers another thread to shit in?

[Chen019]

Originally Posted by pravnik

Yes, considerably. Now, move on.

Move on to what? You have completely misread my initial post above suggesting I was citing Turkheimer in support of group differences. I wasn't. Both articles referred to individual differences. You need to read more carefully before getting snotty with people on here.

[pravnik]

Move on to your next argument, i.e. drop this one. You've cited an authority in support of your argument that fundamentally disagrees with your main point. Ignore it, ignore me, and change the subject.

[Inner Stickler]

Well, it's not like we need to ration the threads. We're not suffering from a thread famine.

[Chen019]

Originally Posted by pravnik

Move on to your next argument, i.e. drop this one. You've cited an authority in support of your argument that fundamentally disagrees with your main point. Ignore it, ignore me, and change the subject.

I've cited an authority in support of the argument that individual differences in intelligence are significantly due to genetic variation. As I've explained above - I particularly cited them from articles in relatively liberal newspaper articles to highlight the lack of controversy about that point.

If you want to debate the subject of whether group differences are genetic then you should head over to the Great Debates thread.

[MrDibble]

Originally Posted by partyforever

The level of racist hate rhetoric is almost unbelievable in South Africa.

True. But we can't just murder the racist Whites, you know. That would be...savage.

They are inciting hatred and the murder of whites.

Oh, you meant Black-on-White racism? You're right, it is unbelievable - that a people oppressed for centuries didn't straight-up murder every White they could, as soon as they were able to. My gosh - angry rhetoric, you say? How savage.

12 white farmers have been murdered in June so I don't care about your chicken shit race and culture.

We've been over this before, multiple times - White farmers are killed in robberies, not because they're White, and they're disproportionately targeted because they still own all the fucking farms.

My people built South Africa into the 15th largest economy in the world with the 9th largest stock exchange

Yep, all by yourselves. Must have just been really dirty Whites I worked alongside on the mines, yep...

- my people are getting killed.

"Your people"? What, racists? Cry me a river.

And you should know something about apartheid: they had 7 kids in a family.

What, Apartheid had 7 kids in a family? Who's "they"?

And if you have 7 kids, it doesn't matter whether you live in the USA or in apartheid South Africa - you would struggle feeding 7 kids.

Firstly, it's personally amusing that you're holding America out as the direct comparison to SA when it comes to equality issues. Secondly, even the 7 kids is part and parcel of the inequality - educated working women generally don't have seven kids, uneducated women forced to live in homelands with no access to birth control, while their men slave in the mines then impregnate them on their annual leave whether they want to or not - they have seven kids.

So I don't feel anything for your race and your shit.

"My" race? You don't often get psychopaths admitting they feel nothing for the human race, but there you have it...

I made a success.

So did I, in spite of people like you.

Living apart from you.

I had no idea Orania had internet now. But how do you stop your meisies from seeing the BBC on redtube? How are you going to keep them on the farm, when they've seen the benefits of a 5-way IR gangbang?

You had to come work for me.

Well, I do work for a white guy, but I highly doubt he's you, given his family circumstances.
And I also still have my own company - I can do all the tax sums on my own and everything, too. But when I get the next one of those fat BEE tenders, and celebrate by going out to dinner with my lovely blonde, blue-eyed wife, I'll think of you and raise a glass of JCLeRoux, thanks.

[MrDibble]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

Tell me MrDibble, have you ever raped anyone?

Can't say I have. I've been raped, but that's not the same thing, now is it?

[partyforever]

MrDibble, you live in a fantasy world.

1. They are torturing the whites.
2. They are raping tens of thousands of women, children and babies a year.
3. Oppressed the blacks? I thought we couldn't settle in black tribal areas! I thought we couldn't buy black land! I thought we couldn't start up schools, businesses in black areas! Build hospitals, universities, ports. It sounds a lot like apartheid doesn't it? You had the worst form of oppression ever under your kings. You couldn't advance for thousands of years - because the kings demanded total obedience. No schools, no education - just warriors for the king and he owned all your land and all your labor and he could have anyone's wife or daughter. To defy the kings, was treason, there were no courts, the king tortured and killed to remain in power. Slavery, you had no land, no farms, you lived in huts, you want farms today and mines. Well guess what? You owned a kraal - the rest of the land was unoccupied. So you are complaining about ... farms you owned?

3. Oh, you meant Black-on-White racism? You're right, it is unbelievable - that a people oppressed for centuries didn't straight-up murder every White they could, as soon as they were able to....

Oh but that was the plan all along during apartheid - murder all the whites - communism. Promise democracy and once in power, the vanguard party would eliminate all other political parties and kill all other capitalists and institute socialism. It happened in Russia under Lenin and Marx and is the foundation of Lenin-Marxism. It happened in Tanzania - they promised democracy and killed every other political party instituting a one party state and chased all the whites out. The ANC praised this - it is on their website. It happened in Mozambique. You see you were never promised freedom - it was always communism and socialism. Slaves for the government with no private property at all. So enjoy your white wife and all the luxuries you would never have had had the ANC won over apartheid during the cold war. The whites preserved your freedom for you. You would have lived in a failed communist state.

As for the rest of your self-righteous whatever - you never had any freedom under your kings - no elections, no newspapers, no freedom of speech, no protests. No wonder you couldn't advance! Not because of the white man, but because of you know who.
When the white man came, he gave you an education, you could read and write. Removed the kings and gave you education.

You expected him to share everything with him. One person had to pay 90% of the tax and spend as much on himself as on 9 others. You live in a fantasy to think I could support your 7 kids with the same level of education and my own two kids. And everyone in Africa has 4 - 7 kids, without apartheid, with all the freedoms - even today. You believed wealth was the number of children you had. It was your own beliefs that caused you to have so many children, not the lack of education or family planning.

And when a tiny group has to give tens of millions of people work - that cannot read or write, then the only way is to put them in mines or do some low paying job. You waged countless, never-ending wars, never accepting any European ideas. So whose faults is it that you ended up far away from whites? It is your own idea to be were closed for any business with them. You have been the author of your own hardship.

So change your attitude - we are tired of keeping quiet. We know these things. They are logical. But we hear the same old accusations decade after decade, century after century. You would think we don't know anything about suffering. Our children worked 12 hour shifts in factories in Europe during the industrial revolution. Have your children EVER worked 12 hours a day?

And yes we can marry with you it doesn't help...

[New Deal Democrat]

Originally Posted by partyforever

MrDibble, you live in a fantasy world.

1. They are torturing the whites.
2. They are raping tens of thousands of women, children and babies a year.
3. Oppressed the blacks? I thought we couldn't settle in black tribal areas! I thought we couldn't buy black land! I thought we couldn't start up schools, businesses in black areas! Build hospitals, universities, ports. It sounds a lot like apartheid doesn't it? You had the worst form of oppression ever under your kings. You couldn't advance for thousands of years - because the kings demanded total obedience. No schools, no education - just warriors for the king and he owned all your land and all your labor and he could have anyone's wife or daughter. To defy the kings, was treason, there were no courts, the king tortured and killed to remain in power. Slavery, you had no land, no farms, you lived in huts, you want farms today and mines. Well guess what? You owned a kraal - the rest of the land was unoccupied. So you are complaining about ... farms you owned?

3. Oh, you meant Black-on-White racism? You're right, it is unbelievable - that a people oppressed for centuries didn't straight-up murder every White they could, as soon as they were able to....

Oh but that was the plan all along during apartheid - murder all the whites - communism. Promise democracy and once in power, the vanguard party would eliminate all other political parties and kill all other capitalists and institute socialism. It happened in Russia under Lenin and Marx and is the foundation of Lenin-Marxism. It happened in Tanzania - they promised democracy and killed every other political party instituting a one party state and chased all the whites out. The ANC praised this - it is on their website. It happened in Mozambique. You see you were never promised freedom - it was always communism and socialism. Slaves for the government with no private property at all. So enjoy your white wife and all the luxuries you would never have had had the ANC won over apartheid during the cold war. The whites preserved your freedom for you. You would have lived in a failed communist state.

As for the rest of your self-righteous whatever - you never had any freedom under your kings - no elections, no newspapers, no freedom of speech, no protests. No wonder you couldn't advance! Not because of the white man, but because of you know who.
When the white man came, he gave you an education, you could read and write. Removed the kings and gave you education.

You expected him to share everything with him. One person had to pay 90% of the tax and spend as much on himself as on 9 others. You live in a fantasy to think I could support your 7 kids with the same level of education and my own two kids. And everyone in Africa has 4 - 7 kids, without apartheid, with all the freedoms - even today. You believed wealth was the number of children you had. It was your own beliefs that caused you to have so many children, not the lack of education or family planning.

And when a tiny group has to give tens of millions of people work - that cannot read or write, then the only way is to put them in mines or do some low paying job. You waged countless, never-ending wars, never accepting any European ideas. So whose faults is it that you ended up far away from whites? It is your own idea to be were closed for any business with them. You have been the author of your own hardship.

So change your attitude - we are tired of keeping quiet. We know these things. They are logical. But we hear the same old accusations decade after decade, century after century. You would think we don't know anything about suffering. Our children worked 12 hour shifts in factories in Europe during the industrial revolution. Have your children EVER worked 12 hours a day?

And yes we can marry with you it doesn't help...

I am New Deal Democrat, and I approve of this message.

[orcenio]

Originally Posted by orcenio

NDD: "You psychos, racists never harmed anyone!"
MrDibble: "I've got fuckin' scars to disprove that!"
NDD: "The murder rate in South Africa is...blah, blah. Go Apartheid!"

Surreal.

Now we can add...

NDD: "Non-white, South African, eh?...Rapist!"

NDD you really are a pathetic little shit, aren't you?

[New Deal Democrat]

An estimated 5.6 million people were living with HIV and AIDS in South Africa in 2009, the highest number of people in any country.1 In the same year, it is estimated that 310,000 South Africans died of AIDS-related causes,2 reflecting the huge number of lives that the country has lost to AIDS over the last three decades.

Prevalence is 17.8 percent among those aged 15-49, with younger adults being particularly affected.3
http://www.avert.org/aidssouthafrica.htm

[New Deal Democrat]

with the football World Cup in South Africa next year, Mr Zuma is determined to crack down. His is one of the world’s most criminally violent countries. Every day, around 50 murders, 100 rapes, 700 burglaries and 500-plus violent assaults are officially recorded in a population of 50m. Although the murder figures may be fairly accurate, only around one in ten rapes are thought to be reported to the police. In a recent survey by the Medical Research Council in two provinces, more than one in four men aged 18-49 admitted to having committed at least one rape.

What shocks people is not just the high level of crime but the wanton violence that usually accompanies it; gangs often kill people just for their mobile phones. It is not only whites (9% of the population) who complain. Almost everyone is afraid. In one poll 62% of South Africans said they would feel “very unsafe” walking alone in their district after dark. The rich lavish money on protection. The poor black majority have to live with fear.

More fortress-like gated communities are being built, guarded around the clock by armed men. Most of the white and black middle class barricade themselves behind increasing layers of security: bright lights; high perimeter-walls topped with electric fencing or razor wire; guard dogs; panic buttons and an alarm system linked to one of the many armed rapid-response security firms that promise to arrive within three minutes of a call. Since 1996 the government has quadrupled its anti-crime spending. But private spending has risen far more, by a factor of 400. Private security in South Africa is now worth 14 billion rand ($1.9 billion) a year, with 300,000 registered guards.
http://www.economist.com/node/14564621

[orcenio]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

An estimated 5.6 million people were living with HIV and AIDS in South Africa in 2009, the highest number of people in any country.1 In the same year, it is estimated that 310,000 South Africans died of AIDS-related causes,2 reflecting the huge number of lives that the country has lost to AIDS over the last three decades.

Prevalence is 17.8 percent among those aged 15-49, with younger adults being particularly affected.3
http://www.avert.org/aidssouthafrica.htm

It seems that you're not bothered to even stay coherent. Do you feel that simply quoting HIV (or other) statistics is enough to carry some meta-point of yours? Well, then I've got one:

"South Africa is divided into nine provinces and has 2,798 kilometres (1,739 mi) of coastline." ...and maybe another... "It has a GDP (PPP) of $11,000, and growth of 3.4% (2011)."
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/sf.html

There, now I think I've now earned 50,000 mega bonus points. This should be enough to "win" debates, persuade the white masses, prove my intelligence and hide all my clear, social/logical inadequacies.