MAFIA: The Road to Canterbury - Game Thread

[Babale]

First things first, Visor, I appologize. In my circle of friends we casually trade insults all the time, and I didn't mean that in an offensive manner. I just meant that you might not be giving us your thought process because you didn't feel like it, which I now know isn't true.

Now, I'm not disregarding Mosier's claim. I do think that it is so very WIFOM that it is completely useless.

[TexCat]

I am not going to be around at EOD.
vote: Inner Stickler
Of the current vote leaders, I find him the most likely to be scum.

[Enderw24]

Originally Posted by Stanislaus

Amateur vote count:

Snickers (3): gnarlycharlie (324); Enderw24 (330);MentalGuy (340)
TexCat (3): visorslash (337); Mahaloth (349); Mosier (371)
Mosier (2): Babale (379); MHaye (381)
MHaye (2): sinjin (326); AlkaSeltzer (333)
Inner Stickler (2): Stanislaus (375); fubbleskag (378)
gnarlycharlie (1): TexCat (309);
Mahaloth (1): Snickers (360)
Suburban Plankton (0): Stanislaus (313-362)

I don't see any duplicates so I count 14 votes. That leaves 5 people that have somewhere in the range of 3 hours to cast a ballot, which could swing anyone.

I hate making multiple votes so, for the moment, I'm going to stick with Snickers as my sole vote. But I still have real misgivings about TexCat (for reasons explained earlier, that really weren't refuted) and wouldn't be at all disappointed if that's who we chose.

But I can't understand the Mosier votes. I really can't. Even if there was the suspicion of him being scum (and I'm not getting that vibe at all), there are IMO, two more worthy targets to consider before even getting to him.

[fubbleskag]

Originally Posted by MentalGuy

I think you chose a good target and I for the time being am going to consider Stanislaus Town. Of course, this tells us nothing about your alignment, since you would still reveal Stanislaus as Town even if you are scum.

Originally Posted by Stanislaus

Also, it seems churlish but necessary to point out that getting my alignment correct doesn't offer any solid evidence of yours.

this is a very good point that I think should be highlighted in case it wasn't obvious to anyone else.

also, I had to look up "churlish" - so, ignorance fought mid-mafia!

[fubbleskag]

Assuming Stanislaus' vote count is more accurate than my previous attempts have been, the updated count should be:

Inner Stickler (4): Stanislaus (375); fubbleskag (378); Hal Briston (399); TexCat (402)
Snickers (3): gnarlycharlie (324); Enderw24 (330);MentalGuy (340)
TexCat (3): visorslash (337); Mahaloth (349); Mosier (371)
Mosier (2): Babale (379); MHaye (381)
MHaye (2): sinjin (326); AlkaSeltzer (333)
gnarlycharlie (1): TexCat (309);
Mahaloth (1): Snickers (360)
Suburban Plankton (0): Stanislaus (313-362)[/quote]

[Inner Stickler]

Originally Posted by Hal Briston

I had already mentioned there was a very good strategic reason for scum to lay low on Night One, but Sticker pressed the idea that getting in one kill was worth the trade of likely causing several power roles to waste their one-shot ability and possibly get caught. Don't care for that line of reasoning one bit.

There are more players on Night One than the following nights and a higher chance of not getting hit by a watcher or investigator. I don't understand the causing several power roles to waste their one-shot ability. Town roles use their abilities independently of scum. If anything, scum not acting on a night deprives a watcher of the chance to catch them and an investigator should get a result regardless of whether their target was acting or not.

As much as I would like to vote for mosier again, I just can't justify it in light of the claim. It's possible Mosier is scum and is playing a relatively high stakes gambit but for the moment, I'm willing to see him as town.

Vote Texcat

The defense of her visor vote was particularly uncompelling.

[Stanislaus]

I think this is a terrible vote:

Originally Posted by Hal Briston

I'm going to cross my fingers and work under the assumption that Stanislaus was not cloaked, and is therefore town. With that in mind, I was prepared to give extra credence to his vote of Inner Stickler. However...

In making his case, he pointed out several things he found scummy about Inner Stickler...but not so much about him, as his playstyle. And in reading through the case, I find Stickler's playstyle to me extremely similar to mine.

Stanislaus has problems with Sticker bringing up strategies, but "not married to it" and "non-committal", when I find inflexibility to be very anti-town. I can't make heads nor tails of his accusation that "He's happy to push discussions that don't themselves lead to finding scum. E.g. Directing investigators", since it seems like he's saying "investigators don't find scum", which is clearly not true.

So, while I disagree with much of what Stanislaus has to say, I'm going stick with the thought that he's saying it from a townie perspective. And although it wasn't part of his reasons for voting Stickler, he also quoted a bit that is pinging me more and more:

I had already mentioned there was a very good strategic reason for scum to lay low on Night One, but Sticker pressed the idea that getting in one kill was worth the trade of likely causing several power roles to waste their one-shot ability and possibly get caught. Don't care for that line of reasoning one bit.

Vote Inner Stickler

Hal's giving me credence because I'm probably Town. He doesn't agree with my case at all, but he thinks I'm at least honestly mistaken. That said, he votes Inner anyway. His reason is that Inner didn't consider, or dismissed, the idea that Scum deliberately no-killed. In fact, he goes further and says that in not mentioning it, Inner was actually "pressing" the counter-argument. But fundamentally, it's a disagreement about what scum might or might not do.

Hal, how does this indicate Inner is scum? What makes him more likely to be scum than Town who doesn't agree with you? Why does my being honestly wrong make it worth following my vote if you disagree with my case?

[Suburban Plankton]

Catching up after the holiday...

Originally Posted by TexCat

I thought gnarly posted in the wrong thread. The fact that he was responding to Alka would mean that he and Alka were also talking in the scum thread.

The problem with this theory is that the post gnarly responded to, and quoted in his post, was one from this thread. Yes, it's possible that gnarly is Scum, but there is no evidence to suggest that he posted in the wrong thread. Why do you keep pushing that idea?

Originally Posted by MHaye

So Texcat, Snickers or IS?

I'm going to review the votes on Texcat now, and try and get up early enough to review the others tomorrow.

First vote : Visorslash in post 337. If Visor hadn't been revealed Town by Storyteller, I'd be incredibly suspicious of this vote. There is no substance to it at all. I'm going to stop before the analysis reaches four times the length of Visor's “justification.”

Second vote : Mahaloth in post 349. Votes Texcat for suggesting that there were no Mafiates on Visorslash's bandwagon. It is perhaps worth noting that Texcat justified her vote on the Visorslash wagon primarily because of the three in fifteen “slip” Visorslash perpetrated Day 1, although she retained her “no lynch” vote as well. I think the suggestion that there were no Mafiates is a bit of a stretch for a Townsperson to conclude, personally; however it would be risky for a Mafiate to make that statement because it stands out.

Third vote : Mosier in post 371. Mosier justifies his vote partly because of Texcat's campaign for a no-lynch (although I feel Mosier overstates how close it came to success; no lynch never collected more than 3 votes, peaking in 155; Visorslash already had three votes at that point, and rose slowly to 5 before the rush at the end, prompted in part by his own self-vote) and partly because of her attempts to steer people away from looking at the bandwagon.

My trouble with Mosier's vote is that he is, in part, placing a vote when he did because of how it looks. He doesn't want to be accused of jumping on a bandwagon. That pings – he's doing it for appearances sake. Town shouldn't be worrying about appearance. They have the giftof a clear conscience.

I'm going to

vote Mosier

for that. I intend to review other cases before Nightfall, but can't do so during the day as we can't use the Internet for personal business except at breaktimes.

The question at the beginning of this post is "Texcat, Snickers or IS?"...so apparently the answer is "Mosier"???

First, why limit yourself to only those three candidates? I suppose because those were the three people with more than one vote on them at the time.

So you review TexCat's posts, then without reviewing the rest of your 'candidates', place a vote on Mosier?

...and since you can't post during the day it seems your analysis on Snickers and Inner Stickler isn't forthcoming. I suppose I shouldn't complain about your saying "I'll be back soon with more analysis" and then failing to follow up, because I'm guilty of that myself. But that still doesn't explain what you did here...

Originally Posted by Babale

Not unreasonable at all, whether you are Scum or Town. More likely if you are Scum. A Town placing a vote just to "look good" is risking placing a vote on a fellow Town. Scum don't have to take that risk, since they know who everyone is.

ETA: Enderw24, I'm sorry you feel I don't post enough. But real life takes precedence. You'll notice that when I do post, I try to make my posts long and filled with analysis.

You would have helped your case some if this post had not been short and void of analysis. Also, in reviewing your posts in this game, I don't find your statement to be particularly accurate. Some of your posts are long; several are only a line or two. And as for whether or not they are "filled with analysis"...we'll have to wait and see on that, won't we?



Give me a few minutes to look through my notes and I'll be back with a vote or three...

[Suburban Plankton]

Originally Posted by KellyCriterion

Game thread seems a bit quiet compared to other Mafia games I have seen.

No one is majorly pinging me yet.. I could just throw my vote at Tengu again but that would be somewhat boring, and doesn't help learn anything new.

Is it worth looking through the town power roles and trying to work how best and/or when to use them? Would it help if certain power roles "outed" themselves now? Are there some power roles where the owner of that role should definitely keep their head down until much later in the game? Can we encourage certain power roles to get busy?

I assume we're still waiting to find out the results of any investigations that were strongly encouraged on Day 1? Did no one investigate?

I'd really like to vote for KellyCriterion for making posts like this. Kelly seems to have done very little this game but drop in occasionally to complain about how slow the game is, and to ask for Investigator results.

Unfortunately, a vote for Kelly at this point leaves us still in a tie, so that's not a viable option...

[Snickers]

To be fair, Plankton, MHaye didn't say he was reviewing TexCat's posts, but that he was reviewing the votes on TexCat. Presumably, he's reviewing other people's cases on those he found scummy. I don't know that I'd go this way, but he's not me, either.

[gnarlycharlie]

Originally Posted by MHaye

Gnarlycharlie's slip.
Gnarlycharlie gets some heat (and a vote from Texcat) because of post 299. Gnarly claims that he was referring to the investigation powers as a whole, and should have written “them” instead of “it.” Texcat, on the other hand, claims that when using “it,” Gnarly is referring back to what Alka Seltzer was referring to; that is, the Cloak of Lies. That is slightly more plausible than confusing “it” and “them” to me, but I don't think that's right either. The comment arose from Alka's response to Gnarly's suggestion that the investigators look into the voters for Visorslash. I don't see how Gnarly can leap from there to the Cloak very easily. There is a third possibility, namely that Gnarlycharlie was pondering the timing of the use of his own power. That makes sense of Gnarly's sudden use of the singular.

you got me. explanation below.

Originally Posted by fubbleskag

Apologies in advance, on my phone again.

I am the man of law. Last night I investigated Stanislaus and was informed that he is not a member of the brotherhood unless the cloak was used.

I wanted to avoid overlap and thought it safest to investigate someone unlikely to have garnered too much attention. I chose him specifically from that list because I feel he is a strong mafia (the game) player and knowing his alignment held more weight than the other candidates.

i am the friar. i also investigated Stanislaus and received a NOT a member of the Brotherhood of the Rose. i purposely recommended that those in the Visorslash wagon be investigated so i'd have a better chance in getting a true result. why Stanislaus? he struck me as very town and also he won as scum in our last game together by playing that way. so i wanted to know his alignment.

Originally Posted by Visorslash

I've had a death in my immediate family. I won't be all that active for a while.


What have I done to deserve this, honestly?

I have insulted no-one in this game, and used my power successfully to help the town. What is wrong with you people?

sorry for your loss.

-------------------------

as for Mosier, i'm inclined to believe his claim. i agree with Stanislaus' thinking.

do you guys still think that having multiple votes is anti-town? if so, what's your take on Texcat being the only one having more than one vote (at least when i started this post)?

[Alka Seltzer]

I notice that fubbleskag refers to "The brotherhood" while gnarlycharlie calls it "the brotherhood of the rose", a phrase I've not seen in the rules or colour posts.

@fubbleskag - Please could you post your night PM from storyteller.

[Snickers]

Well, story's first post says something about a white rose right at the very end; maybe that's where gnarlycharlie's getting it? You're right though, Alka: that does seem fishy.

[Suburban Plankton]

Interesting point there, Alka Seltzer. I don't see "Brotherhood of the Rose" anywhere either. It's possible that's a Scum slip, though it could be something that only appears in the Investigative results, and fubbleskag simply didn't include it. Hopefully fubbleskag will return soon to shed some light on this.

As for the TexCat vs. Inner Sticker issue, I'm not finding either of them to be significantly more or less suspicious than the other.

TexCat is pinging me because of her No-lynch stance yesterday which I very much disagree with, plus the fact that she ultimately did vote anyway, and did so in a situation where her vote was almost completely unneccessary. Also, she has twice in this game accused someone of 'posting in the wrong thread: gnalrycharlie Today and Visorslash on Day 1.

Inner Stickler has done less to ping my suspicions, but that's the problem; he hasn't really posted much of significance at all. He was against the direction of Town Investigators, but backtracked some on that...he voted Mosier just to get a reaction, but never followed up on that...he's pretty much been lurking in plain sight.


Looking at the voters on each, and discounting the fact that they are voting for each other:

Visorslash, Mosier, and Mahaloth are voting for TexCat. That's one confirmed Town, one probable Town, and one Unknown.
Stanislaus, fubbleskag, and Hal Briston are voting for Inner. that's one probable Town, one claimed Town, and one Unknown.

Of course, being Town doesn't mean that one;s votes are any good, but it does suggest that they aren't deliberately misplaced.

And there is the fact that TexCat was voting for gnarly since early on today, and only added a vote for Inner as a self-preservation measure. While I'm not against self-preservation votes, the fact that he's the only person with two votes on the board does bother me.

[Alka Seltzer]

I notice both TexCat and InnerStickler are placing un-acknowledged self-defence votes. Reviewing both, Stickler did at least express some suspicion of TexCat here.

[Inner Stickler]

Originally Posted by Suburban Plankton

Inner Stickler has done less to ping my suspicions, but that's the problem; he hasn't really posted much of significance at all. He was against the direction of Town Investigators, but backtracked some on that...he voted Mosier just to get a reaction, but never followed up on that...he's pretty much been lurking in plain sight.

Backtracked? I wouldn't call it that at all. As I recall, I stated that I was against directing investigators and I am and remain unconvinced of the utility of such an action but I also offered a plan that would, in my opinion, mitigate some of the issues directing investigators might have without compromising the benefits, such as they are, in the event that as a group we decided to go through with it. You never tell someone, "I don't think that's a good idea but if you really wanna do it, here's some things you can do to lessen the fallout."?

[Suburban Plankton]

Originally Posted by Alka Seltzer

I notice both TexCat and InnerStickler are placing un-acknowledged self-defence votes. Reviewing both, Stickler did at least express some suspicion of TexCat here.

That's very slight suspicion...but I suppose it is something...


I'm going to

vote TexCat

She's done more to actively rouse my suspicions, whereas my suspicion of Inner is based more on his lack of real content. And if I was going to lynch someone based on lack of content, there are others I'd like to see hang: KellyCriterion and Mahaloth spring to mind here.


We've got at least 45 more minutes left for hi-jinks and shenanigans.....GO!

[Alka Seltzer]

How long do we have until dusk? (I'm in the UK, so timezones get confusing) Right now we have a no-lynch tie.

storyteller, since the start of the Day was delayed, would it be possible to request that it is extended to the end of the dusk period please?

[Suburban Plankton]

Originally Posted by Alka Seltzer

How long do we have until dusk? (I'm in the UK, so timezones get confusing) Right now we have a no-lynch tie.

storyteller, since the start of the Day was delayed, would it be possible to request that it is extended to the end of the dusk period please?

Per story, the Day will end "between 1 and 5 PM Eastern on Thursday, July 5"

It's 12:21 PM Eastern time as I type this, so we have between 0:39 and 4:39 left, assuming there is no extension.

[Suburban Plankton]

Originally Posted by Tengu

I agree with this completely.

I'd also add, since unless I missed it on multiple readings, Stanislaus never mentioned it, the Summoner's power doesn't just let him see whether his target did something, but whether someone did something to his target. So if Mosier's Scum, and not using the Memento to access his Summoner power, he's not just guessing that SP didn't do anything, he's guessing that no other Investigator investigated him, and nobody spammed a protective power on him. Which, as it turns out, seems to be accurate, but if he were Scum false-claiming, I would expect him to wait until someone else claimed to lower the chances of being contradicted, not be the first to claim.

So, yeah, low chance of Scum.

We still have crap information to go on, and that annoys me.

I'm also tired as shit, so I can't think...I'll vote before Nightfall, but not now.

I hope you got a good night's sleep. Any chance you have a vote forthcoming?

[MHaye]

Originally Posted by Visorslash

I've had a death in my immediate family. I won't be all that active for a while.

Sorry to hear that. Visor. Take the time you need. RL is more important than Mafia games.

[Enderw24]

Unvote Snickers
Vote TexCat
Explanation to come.

[gnarlycharlie]

Originally Posted by Alka Seltzer

I notice that fubbleskag refers to "The brotherhood" while gnarlycharlie calls it "the brotherhood of the rose", a phrase I've not seen in the rules or colour posts.

@fubbleskag - Please could you post your night PM from storyteller.

it is what my result PM says although it does not appear in my role PM.

[Enderw24]

I've been suspicious of TexCat since before my post in 350. I think my concerns haven't been adequately addressed. In fact, if anything, more evidence has arisen to highten my suspicion.
1) For the second day in a row, there's a good possibility TexCat will end the day with multiple votes. This time for both gnarlycharlie and Inner Stickler
2) Inner Stickler's vote looks like Tex is just voting for the second highest vote getter in order to force a tie.
3) Both Inner Stickler and TexCat voted for each other. Now, there's a possibility that both are scum and are trying to go for a no-lynch but this seems risky than other options that wouldn't increase either of their vote counts. A more likely scenario is that only one of them is scum and if that's the case I choose Tex.
4) Visor, the only 100% confirmed town, selected Tex right from the start. Even with no explanation, this alone should be of value.
5) TexCat's vote of Inner didn't come with any good explanation other than, as I said before, bandwagon jumping.
6) The accusations Tex made concerning others, gnarly in particular, seem weak.

Obviously some are more substantial reasons than others. But on the whole I'm convinced that TexCat needs to go.

[Babale]

Well, my Mosier vote has served its purpose. Based on Mosier's defence and other people talking about him, I no longer think him as likely to be Scum. unvote

TexCat is still worrying me, as I said before. The self defend vote and other signs worry me. [COLOR="rgb(65, 105, 225)"]Vote Texcat[/color]

[Hal Briston]

Originally Posted by Alka Seltzer

I notice that fubbleskag refers to "The brotherhood" while gnarlycharlie calls it "the brotherhood of the rose", a phrase I've not seen in the rules or colour posts.

"The Brotherhood" appears in several places in the rules and roles page, but the only mention of "Rose" that can find is that it's one of the scum tools. This screams scum slip to me...taking a closer look, back in a couple minutes.

[MHaye]

On the subject of the Mafia team names, in the Roles and Scum Tools posts, Storyteller refers to the bad guys as "The Brotherhood" quite frequently.

So on to responses.

Originally Posted by Stanislaus

MHaye: do you believe that Suburban is also scum, or that Mosier got lucky in guessing a Town player who neither acted, nor was acted upon? (Good point, Tengu).

Either are possible, but I'd be more likely to suspect Mosier got lucky (assuming for the moment that he is in the Brotherhood.)

Originally Posted by Suburban Plankton

The question at the beginning of this post is "Texcat, Snickers or IS?"...so apparently the answer is "Mosier"???

As Snickers deduced I was, rhetorically by that stage, asking "which player shall I review the votes on." The answer was Texcat, as you can tell from the second line of the post.

So you review TexCat's posts, then without reviewing the rest of your 'candidates', place a vote on Mosier?[/quote]Looks like it doesn't it? Unless, of course, you read in context. Posts 380 and 381 have to be read together. In 380, I reviewed some of the events of the Day, then (as is my custom) broke when my draft reached about an A4 page of 12-point font. I came out of that somewhat predisposed to be suspicious of Mosier, primarily because his choice of subject reminded me of my mental contortions in the first Evil Dead game, when I was a Mafia-aligned Watcher. I guess that, having been there and done that, it just smelled of Mafia evasion to me.

Then I reviewed votes on Texcat. It so happens that Mosier placed the third vote, so I reviewed it. The vote, added to his claim, was enough to push me into a vote.

I think at this point (I posted 381 at 1:10am BST) I was a little fatigued, and not as disciplined as I could have been with my draft. Sorry about that.

...and since you can't post during the day it seems your analysis on Snickers and Inner Stickler isn't forthcoming. I suppose I shouldn't complain about your saying "I'll be back soon with more analysis" and then failing to follow up, because I'm guilty of that myself. But that still doesn't explain what you did here...

I tried to do Snickers when I got up this morning but ran out of time. Let me reread the draft and finish it up.

On ties; remember that a tied votes allows a one-hour extension in which votes can be changed before the no-lynch becomes final. Plus, Texcat is now in the lead with 6 to IS's 4.

[Alka Seltzer]

I like the case against Inner Stickler, but I have some suspicions of fubbleskag, and dislike Hal Briston's vote. If fubbleskag is scum, "confirming" Stanislaus is a great way of getting a bandwagon rolling, and a safe place to hide. fubbleskag made quite a good post earlier in the Day prodding several players, but I notice he didn't try to engage with either of the players Stanislaus was expressing suspicion of at the time (Snickers and Suburban Plankton I believe).

TexCat edges it for me. It's reached the point where he just seems to be making stuff up and not responding to arguments, which reminds me of Freudian Slit in colourless. Starting a vote on no-lynch is a high profile place for scum to be, but TexCat is clearly aware of this and has posted to that effect. Can't rule out a gambit.

Unvote MHaye (more on him later)
Vote TexCat

This is a bit of a train-wreck with two claims on the table and no time to assess them properly, and some players not voting. The low activity players are really hurting us.

[Hal Briston]

Re: "Brotherhood of the Rose"

Originally Posted by gnarlycharlie

it is what my result PM says although it does not appear in my role PM.

A possibility, but really, I'm not buying it. Either you slipped up by using scum's "code name" publically, or storyteller kinda screwed you by giving you info known only to scum.

If it was a slip, then woohoo, got scum. If not, well, at least you got to put your power to use.

Unvote Inner Stickler
Vote gnarlycharlie

[gnarlycharlie]

FWIW
--------------------------------------------
Canterbury Role PM
Welcome the game; you are The Friar
You are a man of God in name only, part of a religious order that makes its way by begging, grift, and outright thievery. Still, the tattered robes of your order lend you an air of respectability that your own glib and friendly nature enhance; others find, to their detriment, that their tongues and wallets seem looser in your presence.

Once per game, you may target a player of your choice at Night and determine whether that player is part of the Brotherhood (ie, Scum). This ability can be blocked, but will produce false results only if your target is influenced by the Coat of Lies (see Scum Tools for details).




Re: N1 Action
Quote:
Originally Posted by gnarlycharlie
for my first and only action, i'll target Stanislaus.
Based on the results of your investigation, Stanislaus is not a member of the Brotherhood of the Rose.

Your power is now used and gone.

[Suburban Plankton]

Originally Posted by Babale

Well, my Mosier vote has served its purpose.

And exactly what purpose was that again?

TexCat is still worrying me, as I said before. The self defend vote and other signs worry me. [COLOR="rgb(65, 105, 225)"]Vote Texcat[/color]

You might want to try that again.

Preview is your friend...

[Hal Briston]

Originally Posted by Stanislaus

Hal's giving me credence because I'm probably Town. He doesn't agree with my case at all, but he thinks I'm at least honestly mistaken. That said, he votes Inner anyway. His reason is that Inner didn't consider, or dismissed, the idea that Scum deliberately no-killed. In fact, he goes further and says that in not mentioning it, Inner was actually "pressing" the counter-argument. But fundamentally, it's a disagreement about what scum might or might not do.

Hal, how does this indicate Inner is scum? What makes him more likely to be scum than Town who doesn't agree with you? Why does my being honestly wrong make it worth following my vote if you disagree with my case?

Goddamn laptop and its random reboots, chewing up the post I just spent 15 minutes on...

To sum it up, I don't agree with most of the individual points you made against Inner, but that's because I'm looking at it from a playstyle perspective. I wouldn't vote for Inner based on the posts of his that you highlighted because most of them we're posts that I could have easily made myself.

However, just because that proves (to me, at least) that a townie could make those posts, doesn't guarantee to me that Inner is town. It just means he was making points in a townie style. So I saw no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt when the "no reason for scum to lay low" post set off my scumdar.

As to my actual problem with his position, it seems to me that if we go with his "can't see scum voluntarily forgoing a NK position", that gives up bad info about what powers have been used and what ones remain. And I'm not about to suggest that all blockers/protectors pipe up and say "nope, I didn't do anything last night" just to prove his position.

Anyway, my vote on him is a moot point now...just didn't want to leave the question unanswered.

[Hal Briston]

Originally Posted by gnarlycharlie

Re: N1 Action
Quote:
Originally Posted by gnarlycharlie
for my first and only action, i'll target Stanislaus.
Based on the results of your investigation, Stanislaus is not a member of the Brotherhood of the Rose.

Your power is now used and gone.

fubbleskag, does your PM contain similar wording?

[gnarlycharlie]

i wonder why Texcat hasn't claimed. granted it may not save her, if you're town it's the right thing to do .

[Inner Stickler]

She said she wouldn't be around for EOD.

[gnarlycharlie]

Originally Posted by Inner Stickler

She said she wouldn't be around for EOD.

i mean earlier when she was tied with hours to go.

[Babale]

Originally Posted by Suburban Plankton

And exactly what purpose was that again?



You might want to try that again.

Preview is your friend...

The purpose was to pressure Mosier and, if Scum, any of his buddies into making a mistake. Josue handled it well, which tells me he is Town or competent Scum. Certain other players reacted in certain ways that gave rise to certain opinions, which I will.share at EoD.

And good catch; Vote TexCat

[Inner Stickler]

Originally Posted by gnarlycharlie

i mean earlier when she was tied with hours to go.

At the time she voted, based on the current unofficial vote counts, she would have been breaking a tie with her vote.

[gnarlycharlie]

Originally Posted by Babale

The purpose was to pressure Mosier and, if Scum, any of his buddies into making a mistake. Josue handled it well, which tells me he is Town or competent Scum. Certain other players reacted in certain ways that gave rise to certain opinions, which I will.share at EoD.

And good catch; Vote TexCat

who's Josue?

[MentalGuy]

Updated vote count (unvotes not shown, just deleted), not sure if Babale's unvote of Mosier is valid.


TexCat (8): visorslash (337); Mahaloth (349); Mosier (371); Inner Stickler (406); Suburban Plankton (417); Enderw24 (422); Alka Seltzer (428); Babale (437)
Inner Stickler (3): Stanislaus (375); fubbleskag (378); TexCat (402)
Snickers (2): gnarlycharlie (324); MentalGuy (340)
Mosier (2): Babale (379); MHaye (381)
MHaye (1): sinjin (326)
gnarlycharlie (2): TexCat (309); Hal Briston (429)
Mahaloth (1): Snickers (360)



I have already mentioned that I do not really think TexCat is scum. I would prefer almost anyone else that has votes except Mosier, but I think it is too late in the Day to try to push an alternative. Hopefully everyone is right and TexCat is scum that is playing very boldly.

It is too late toDay for a vote change to mean much and I want to hear from fubbleskag, but if his PM is not the same as gnarlycharlie's, then gnarly will be my vote for toMorrow.

[Suburban Plankton]

Originally Posted by gnarlycharlie

who's Josue?

I'm betting that was a typo: Josue = Mosier.

[MHaye]

I reviewed my analysis of the votes on Snickers. It's fine until I get into the part where I have to look at Snickers' posts to see if the votes are valid. I got only part-way through that review, and my thoughts jump all over the place.

I think it best if I start reviewing Snickers posting history again from scratch. It won't get done in time for changing my vote Today though. I'm going to leave the vote where it is unless something really dramatic happens, such as a tied vote.

[Babale]

Originally Posted by Suburban Plankton

I'm betting that was a typo: Josue = Mosier.

This. Android autocorrect is better than iphone autocorrect but I use a 3rd party keyboard that includes languages unavailable on my android that has the worst autocorrect ever.

[TexCat]

I did make it back before EOD for whatever good it's going to do.

First, unvote: Gnarlycharlie

Second,

Originally Posted by storyteller0910

Welcome the game; you are The Miller

You are a tradesman, simple, straightforward, practical, and well-liked. You have a particular fondness for drink, and all that follows after, and this is your main strength and your main weakness. While you have no experience in combat, you are physically imposing and your personality is quite forceful; you are able to exert a considerable amount of influence on those around you, even those who would otherwise be your social superiors.

Once per game, you may choose one player as your target on a particular Night. During that Night, you will use your ability to entertain and amuse - not to mention your quietly hidden stores of wine and mead - to distract everyone in the game except for your chosen target, effectively role blocking every player in the game except for him or her. Unfortunately, such a wild party does not come without cost; once you choose to engage in debauchery of this kind, you will no longer be welcome on the pilgrimage to Canterbury and will have to turn back (in game terms, though not in color terms because where's the fun in that, you will die).

Claiming so that town will know that this role is no longer in play.

[TexCat]

I've changed my mind.
vote: gnarlycharlie
vote: alka seltzer
vote: mhaye

4 votes for the 4 scum

[fubbleskag]

My role and investigation PMs for those interested; when I posted my result I was on my phone, so couldn't copy/paste very well. "Rose" does appear in my investigation PM, but I'm more concerned by the many other differences between our PMs.

Originally Posted by storyteller0910

Welcome to the game; you are The Man of Law

You are a righteous man and noble, a seeker of truth in word and deed, and a real hit at parties. You care nothing for the goal of this pilgrimage; the laws of man’s religions mean nothing to you. Your only real aim is to ensure that those who would circumvent the laws of man are properly punished.

Once per game, you may target a player of your choice at Night and determine whether that player is part of the Brotherhood (ie, Scum). This ability can be blocked, but will produce false results only if your target is influenced by the Coat of Lies (see Scum Tools for details).

Originally Posted by storyteller0910

Stanislaus is not a member of the Brotherhood of the Rose (unless the Cloak of Lies was used).

[fubbleskag]

@Mosier please be so kind as to post your role PM for us? thanks!

[Kamino Neko]

Originally Posted by Suburban Plankton

I hope you got a good night's sleep. Any chance you have a vote forthcoming?

Holy crap, did I get a good night's sleep...when I woke up, I was afraid I'd missed Nightfall.

My vote's weak, I have to admit, but since I do pretty thoroughly believe what I wrote in my last post regarding SP and Mosier, MHaye and Babale's contrary arguments, as well as their statements that Town don't have to worry about appearances (which is pretty patently false - we're less likely to slip up and admit to something we shouldn't, but, especially this early, 'who looks bad' is 90% of suspicion, and we lynched Visor based on it yesterDay) makes me suspicious of them.

Since I don't want to have two lynch votes out there (voting for no lynch and Visor yesterDay was a special case), I choose one of the two, mostly at random:

vote: MHaye

[storyteller0910]

Um... does the board keep disappearing for everyone, or is it just me?

[Enderw24]

Originally Posted by storyteller0910

Um... does the board keep disappearing for everyone, or is it just me?

Disappearing boards is definitely a scum tell!