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07-26-2012, 11:29 PM
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#4552
07-27-2012, 04:44 PM
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If Zimmerman or someone else testified that Martin was inching along walls peering into windows, yeah, I'd consider that suspicious, but again, not even Zimmerman has (yet) made that claim.
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#4553
07-27-2012, 05:30 PM
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There is one witness who will testify seeing the shooting from her window. She gave an interview last night on CNN. You can see it here: http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/0...ng-speaks-out/
Here statement not only is damning to Zimmerman. It's damning to Serino and the rest of the SPD. If its true (and I have no reason to doubt that it is) it is further evidence this police department is both sloppy and dirty. ETA this interview aired in April, my bad. It just must have missed me. Last edited by you with the face; 07-27-2012 at 05:32 PM.
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#4554
07-27-2012, 05:47 PM
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It's definitely not 'damning' to anyone. Plus, she's one of those crazy she-male types, you can tell from the voice ;p Last edited by emeraldia; 07-27-2012 at 05:50 PM.
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07-27-2012, 05:57 PM
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07-27-2012, 08:02 PM
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If she called him a man instead, what would be your reaction?
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07-27-2012, 08:19 PM
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07-27-2012, 08:57 PM
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07-27-2012, 09:08 PM
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07-27-2012, 09:47 PM
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300 please. That's a few hundred, yes?
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07-27-2012, 09:50 PM
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Other witnesses said they heard a boy too.
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07-28-2012, 01:13 AM
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I understand that the fact that he was engaged in a call when he supposedly walked up to Zimmerman and dummied him without provocation may cause some cognitive dissonance, because it is difficult to credit that someone would initiate an assault against someone without wrapping up with the girl they were chatting with first... but you can't just pretend that that's not exactly what was happening when Zimmerman said he was attacked without provocation - the evidence is clear in this regard. Trayvon's call terminating the way it did is a lot easier to understand if you consider the possibility that the confrontation started with Zimmerman laying his hands on Trayvon in an effort to hold him in place, which is something you might expect from someone who lamented "these assholes always get away" only a couple of minutes earlier. It doesn't make a lick of sense otherwise.
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#4564
07-28-2012, 09:42 AM
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=499_1...801&comments=1 Cutcher has also says that she saw Zimmerman get off Martin's body, which occured after the gunshot and after Zimmerman had attempted to restrain the prostrate Martin, according to another eyewitness. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...d_.single.html If that is Cutcher, she's already undermined her own credibility and her opinion of the poor performance of Serino isn't going to help the prosecution's case.
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#4565
07-28-2012, 09:54 AM
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According to her, she was connected to TM's phone then was disconnected twice and called him back twice WHILE GZ was in the picture. The phone records show multiple calls, but the time period period would extend for much longer than than what is in accord w/ the NEN call or GZ's other accounts. There's more than one situation which could account for this discrepancy. But most all of those situations involve someone's account, (or the phone records provided), being dodgy.
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#4566
07-28-2012, 09:59 AM
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Why would Martin be holding a "crappy t-mobile phone" with a "hands-free-stereo-wired-earphones" to his head? Isn't that the reason someone would have hands-free earphones? So they don't have to hold the phone to their head?
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07-28-2012, 10:04 AM
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07-28-2012, 11:24 AM
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911 Call http://media2.abcactionnews.com/html...262012call.wav SPD Interview http://media2.abcactionnews.com/html...PD02262012.wav Of course her comments about the 'boy' are pretty weak, since you can actually hear Trayvon Martin voice in the 7-11 recording and it isn't a boy's voice. You might want to read what Jeralyn wrote about her on July 10th. http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php/topic,2045.0.html Quote:
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07-28-2012, 01:36 PM
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The fact he was frustrated about troublemakers always getting away explains why he headed to the T-intersection to see which way Trayvon had gone. It doesn't translate into trying to 'capture' Trayvon himself.
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#4570
07-28-2012, 02:27 PM
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Zimmerman's recorded phone call, his clear agitation on the phone and his willingness to disregard the 9-1-1 operator's request to disengage stalking Trayvon Martin is all of the incriminating evidence anyone with at least a 1/4 of a brain needs to determine this person is guilty as sin. The fact that the judge let him out on bail and even let him out on bail after finding that Zimmerman willfully attempted to conceal copious amounts of money that could have been easily used to leave the country in and of it self is offensive and speaks a bias on the part of the judge that should not be overlooked. Many violent offenders are never offered bail and virtually all Black accused violent offenders are never offered bail.
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07-28-2012, 03:14 PM
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07-28-2012, 04:16 PM
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07-28-2012, 04:21 PM
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07-28-2012, 08:33 PM
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07-29-2012, 05:15 PM
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Trayvon was using a bluetooth device. This is why I think Zimmerman thought he was suspicious. I've seen people using a bluetooth device from afar only to find out (as I walk closer to them) that they're not schizophrenic but talking to someone on their bluetooth device. Zimmerman's delusions were compounded by the weather, the time of day, and, of course, the impulsiveness of his putative ADD diagnosis. - Honesty
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#4576
07-29-2012, 05:35 PM
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I think you're trying with all of your intellectual might to diminish Zimmerman's culpability and enlarge Trayvon's. Instead of focusing on the meat and potatoes, you're making an issue of semantics: Was he a boy? Was he a teenager? Was he a minor? He was all of those things. Despite Zimmerman lying about a great deal of things so far, I find it amazing that you (and the peanut gallery) still maintain his version of the events as correct version. You should consider watching Zimmerman's interview with Sean Hannity. He's a poor-man's Blagojevich - narcissistic to the bone. Did you read his newly minted website? He's doing all of this stuff for you, his supporters  . I'm surprised Zimmerman hasn't make a guest appearance on The View, Good Morning America, and Anderson Cooper's 360 yet. This doesn't sound like a man who is trying to prove his innocence, it's the desperate act of a emotionally immature adult who needs to be in the middle of the spotlight. - Honesty
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07-29-2012, 06:33 PM
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07-29-2012, 07:41 PM
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07-29-2012, 07:56 PM
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Dude, I don't care if you take my opinion seriously or not. Trayvon Martin used a bluetooth device. Whether it's called a "wired headset" on the property list doesn't budge me. - Honesty
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07-29-2012, 08:16 PM
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07-29-2012, 08:19 PM
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07-29-2012, 10:06 PM
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07-30-2012, 10:06 AM
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Narcissism would also explain why he can't put himself in Martin's shoes, and appreciate that the kid had a legitimate reason to react fearfully towards him. Which explains why he didn't identify himself as a neighborhood watchman. In his mind, his authority should have been obvious to Martin, so the kid was inherently out of line for resisting him. All of this tragedy could have been prevented if Zimmerman had recognized from the minute he got out of his truck that his conduct was reckless and dangerous. The lack of empathy, though, is what seals it. Evidence suggests Zimmerman killed an unarmed teenager who was pleading for help. Depraved mind anyone? So narcissism is quite relevant to the charge he's been charged with. Last edited by you with the face; 07-30-2012 at 10:10 AM.
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07-30-2012, 11:44 AM
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Your honor, Mr. Zimmerman is obviously a narcissistic personality and as such, is clearly guilty of anything we say he is. The prosecution rests.
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07-30-2012, 11:48 AM
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07-30-2012, 12:12 PM
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No further justification is required to post. This thread is not a court of law, so you can feel free to object, but noone has to listen to your objections.
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07-30-2012, 12:41 PM
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07-30-2012, 01:03 PM
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07-30-2012, 01:57 PM
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Shodan, you don't have to cut people's post into digestible quotes to make your point more substantial. Geez. When you get on national television and say that (i) you wouldn't do anything different knowing what you knows now (ii) say that what has happened is "God's plan" and (iii) apologize to the Martin family. Something in i, ii, iii doesn't belong, which is it? I don't think Zimmerman gives a flying fuck about the family. Now, frankly, I don't fault him in that. I fault him for not expressing remorse. You see, there's a difference in expressing real remorse from killing someone's minor child and acquiescing guilt to the crime. What many of you don't understand is that Zimmerman showing remorse can only help him. It's not that I reject Zimmerman's account because it's Zimmerman's account. I reject it because he has a history of not telling the truth the court and his past behavior. Even the lead investigator found inconsistencies in his statement. - Honesty
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07-30-2012, 04:02 PM
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What's the evidence that Zimmerman got out of his truck to follow Martin? There isn't any. What's the evidence that he didn't? The fact that, earlier, Zimmerman said "Those assholes, they always get away". Ergo, he thought Martin got away. So the evidence to date is in favor of Zimmerman's account, in that respect, being true. What's the evidence that Zimmerman was first to initiate violence? There isn't any. What's the evidence that Martin was the first? The scrape on Martin's knuckle, the black eyes and bloody nose on Zimmerman, and the lack of any other injury to Martin. So the evidence to date is in favor of Zimmerman's account, in that respect, being true. What's the evidence that Martin was screaming for help? There isn't any - Martin's parents' first evidence was the the screams did not come from their son. The sound experts who alleged they could tell that it was Martin have been refuted (to the degree necessary outside court) by other experts who say they could not tell any such thing. What's the evidence that Zimmerman was screaming for help? We know someone was from the 9/11 call, and the obvious fact is that no one screams for help while beating the crap out of someone else. And the nature of Zimmerman's injuries show that he was very much on the wrong side of the beating. So the evidence to date is in favor of Zimmerman's account, in that respect, being true. What is the evidence that Martin was not on top of Zimmerman bashing his head on the ground? There isn't any, and the State will have to disprove this if and when they get to court. What is the evidence that Martin was on top of Zimmerman bashing his head on the ground? The injuries to the back of Zimmerman's head, and the eyewitness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. So the evidence to date is in favor of Zimmerman's account, in that respect, being true. What is the evidence that Zimmerman was not in fear of his life? There isn't any, and the State will have to disprove this, if and when they get to court. What's the evidence that Zimmerman was in fear of his life? The simple fact that most people recognize that a reasonable person would fear death or serious injury if a stranger sucker-punched you, jumped on your chest, and bashed your head on the ground. So the evidence to date is in favor of Zimmerman's account, in that respect, being true. So, leaving out everything that has no evidence one way or the other, what do we have? Zimmerman was driving in his truck, spotted someone suspicious, and called it in to 9/11. He then lost sight of the person he was following. The 911 operator told him that he didn't need to follow the person. Zimmerman wanted to meet the cops, and pulled over to get the number off the sign so he could give an exact location. When he got out of his truck, he spotted Martin. They exchanged words, and Martin attacked, knocking him down and beating his head on the ground. They struggled for a few seconds, but Martin was getting the best of it. Zimmerman, fearing for his life, drew his weapon and fired once, from a few inches away. Martin died almost at once. Zimmerman rolled Martin off him, leaned over to check if he was dead, and almost at once the cops arrived. And that's the same story Zimmerman has been telling all along. Is every word of it true? I dunno. But it is backed up by evidence. Are the other parts of Zimmerman's testimony true, if they aren't backed up? Doesn't matter, because
Zimmerman is not too bright. No duh. If he had any sense, he would do what you do in a situation like that, guilty or not - lawyer up, and keep your trap shut. But he didn't - and here we are. Regards, Shodan
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"Narcissism would also explain why he can't put himself in Martin's shoes, and appreciate that the kid had a legitimate reason to react fearfully towards him. Which explains why he didn't identify himself as a neighborhood watchman. In his mind, his authority should have been obvious to Martin, so the kid was inherently out of line for resisting him. All of this tragedy could have been prevented if Zimmerman had recognized from the minute he got out of his truck that his conduct was reckless and dangerous." Yeah, poor little Martin. He had no choice but beat up on the neighborhood watchman. "The lack of empathy, though, is what seals it. Evidence suggests Zimmerman killed an unarmed teenager who was pleading for help. Depraved mind anyone?" A lot more evidence suggests that Trayvon beat up on a man that was pleading for help. So, yeah, I would say that Trayvon was acting with a depraved mind. He's expressed remorse twice to the family and both times they decided to spin it as negatively as possible. His words are taken out of context and everything good disregarded. He can't really win. Zimmerman doesn't owe the Martins- or anyone else besides his supporters- a f**king thing as far as I'm concerned. If I were him I would be a hundred times more frustrated than he seems. He's got the patience of a saint. Last edited by emeraldia; 07-30-2012 at 09:24 PM.
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