Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes Divorcing

[Dangerosa]

Originally Posted by Equipoise

You think the pictures above are bad, imagine all the flashbulbs going off, and the sounds of the cameras clicking and in some cases, paparazzi yelling at Suri to look at them.

Here's the scum in action.

This is another. The first few seconds are pretty horrifying. Then a kinda creepy song starts that goes with the rest. It was painful to watch. I was going to go looking for more of the same but that was so stomach-churning I just can't.

Poor little thing is right. She didn't ask to be born to famous parents. Not that it'll make any difference at all, but I'm going to actively boycott any site that runs Suri pictures unless those photos are from an official event, like a movie premiere or something, where cameras are expected.

Edit to add...

Hypocrite alert: Ok, I just posted pictures and video of Suri, sigh. I'm not going to boycott The Straight Dope.

Agree, and yet....some stars are better able to shield their kids from this sort of thing, others seem to have their publicists make phone calls. Successfully shielding your kids may mean "taking time off to raise my kids" and moving to Minot, North Dakota (I think New Hampshire and Montana are favorites). Or your kids spending their out of the house time with a nondescript nanny. If you've been a movie star (or starlet) for more than two minutes, and don't know what that feeding frenzy is like you are amazingly naive, or know what its like and bring kids into it anyway...you need to carry some of the blame.

[well he's back]

Dangerosa - agree completely. That's what I was trying to say earlier but didn't say as well

[singular1]

Looking at those pictures, and in fact the majority of Suri pictures published, I can't help but notice almost all of them are only with Katie. Seems to me she has no protective instincts when it comes to keeping the kid away from the paps - she uses her more like an accessory. The "doing it all to protect my child" bit gets more than a little bit sullied by mom's willingness to subject her to that horror.

[Dangerosa]

Originally Posted by singular1

Looking at those pictures, and in fact the majority of Suri pictures published, I can't help but notice almost all of them are only with Katie. Seems to me she has no protective instincts when it comes to keeping the kid away from the paps - she uses her more like an accessory. The "doing it all to protect my child" bit gets more than a little bit sullied by mom's willingness to subject her to that horror.

If she's been planning her and Suri's escape for a while, it may be part of a bigger plan. All those pictures of her and Suri, and so few of Tom and Suri put her in the position of being able to say "see, I've been the primary parent."

Her Dad is apparently a divorce attorney.

And since I'm on the "little tolerance for Scientology" camp, if that's the motivation, I might choose the horror of the paparazzi too.

[Cicero]

The whole thing seems a little bizarre to me.

His scientology fetish was pretty well known as was his previous history of marriage flops (not being judgemental, just commenting). Yet she made the decision to hop in the cot with him and now is getting all the sympathy. She was a little more than a vacuous teenager.

Given what he has done and what he could have done it comes across he has made some pretty bad decisions in his life.

[Ca3799]

Originally Posted by Cicero

The whole thing seems a little bizarre to me.

His scientology fetish was pretty well known as was his previous history of marriage flops (not being judgemental, just commenting). Yet she made the decision to hop in the cot with him and now is getting all the sympathy. She was a little more than a vacuous teenager.

Given what he has done and what he could have done it comes across he has made some pretty bad decisions in his life.

I don't think she was a teenager when they met- she must have been around 27, but she sure acted like a starry-eyed teen.

I think he snatched her up just when she was reaching a peak in her fame and had announced publicly that she had a huge crush on him on him as a kid. They met not long after that, and next thing you knew- boom!- they were married.

I think that she 'converted' to Scientology almost as soon as they started dating, and they were engaged at about 6 months in to the relationship with Tom's dramatic proposal at the top of the Eiffel Tower, which was fairly quickly followed by a fantasy wedding at a castle. I don't think much more than a whole year had passed before the baby was born.

That must have been one heck of a year!

[Dangerosa]

Originally Posted by Ca3799

I don't think she was a teenager when they met- she must have been around 27, but she sure acted like a starry-eyed teen.

I think he snatched her up just when she was reaching a peak in her fame and had announced publicly that she had a huge crush on him on him as a kid. They met not long after that, and next thing you knew- boom!- they were married.

I think that she 'converted' to Scientology almost as soon as they started dating, and they were engaged at about 6 months in to the relationship with Tom's dramatic proposal at the top of the Eiffel Tower, which was fairly quickly followed by a fantasy wedding at a castle. I don't think much more than a whole year had passed before the baby was born.

That must have been one heck of a year!

And Tom's ex-wife won an Oscar - not that year, but a year or so previously.

[PunditLisa]

Originally Posted by singular1

Looking at those pictures, and in fact the majority of Suri pictures published, I can't help but notice almost all of them are only with Katie. Seems to me she has no protective instincts when it comes to keeping the kid away from the paps - she uses her more like an accessory. The "doing it all to protect my child" bit gets more than a little bit sullied by mom's willingness to subject her to that horror.

How exactly is should going to keep her daughter away from the paps? Seems to me that Suri is going to be hounded by the press no matter what, because she's the child of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes. Ditto for the kids of Angelina Jolie & Brad Pitt, Prince Charles & Diana, etc.

I think that if really famous parents opt to bring children into the world, they have a duty to teach them how to deal with the paparazzi from an early age. If you live next to a lake, teach your kids to swim. If you are famous, teach your kids to deal with the press. Basic survival skills.

[Justin_Bailey]

Originally Posted by Cicero

His scientology fetish was pretty well known as was his previous history of marriage flops (not being judgemental, just commenting). Yet she made the decision to hop in the cot with him and now is getting all the sympathy. She was a little more than a vacuous teenager.

She was 28.

[Sally Mander]

Originally Posted by Ca3799

I think that she 'converted' to Scientology almost as soon as they started dating, and they were engaged at about 6 months in to the relationship with Tom's dramatic proposal at the top of the Eiffel Tower, which was fairly quickly followed by a fantasy wedding at a castle. I don't think much more than a whole year had passed before the baby was born.

That must have been one heck of a year!

IIRC, they got married after Suri was born.

[Hippy Hollow]

I don't give a flip one way or another about any of these people, but if you haven't seen John Sweeney, reporter for BBC's Panorama lose his shit after investigating the Church of Scientology. He has a great article in the UK Independent about what happens when the Church of Scientology comes after you.

Definitely worth a read.

[well he's back]

The news today is saying that Tom and Katie have already reached a settlement. So I'm thinking Katie has lots of dirt & leverage on Tom; she & her divorce lawyer father have been planning this for a while; maybe the parents really are thinking of the child by not drAgging this out; that pre-nip must have covered Everything; & finally never believe a celebrity when they say their marriage is just fine.

[kayaker]

Originally Posted by well he's back

that pre-nip must have covered Everything

I'll bet there was plenty of pre-nip. Or none. Depending on your thoughts on Tom.

[well he's back]

When will I learn that I always make typos when I post from my phone . Oh well. At least pre nip for pre nup is amusing

[Hippy Hollow]

I rewatched John Sweeney's Panorama, and discovered that there's an hour-long follow up from 2010 with a number of high-ranking Scientologists who have left the church, including the head of security that worked so intently to make the guy miserable the first time around.

And to be relevant, Tom has a brief cameo describing his desire to spread the Scientology.

2007 Sweeney documentary

2010 Sweeney documentary

[Elendil's Heir]

Katie's going back to the faith of her childhood, no surprise: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...ef=mostpopular

[Gangster Octopus]

Originally Posted by Elendil's Heir

Katie's going back to the faith of her childhood, no surprise: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...ef=mostpopular

Whew, finally she'll be away from all that crazy ritualistic nonsense.

[Elendil's Heir]

Originally Posted by Gangster Octopus

Whew, finally she'll be away from all that crazy ritualistic nonsense.

Not to mention the secretive, irrational church leadership.

[Hampshire]

Just rewatched Batman Begins the other day. I thought Katie did pretty good in the part.
I couldn't remember why she passed on doing Dark Knight so when I did a search for it it says she chose to instead do the forgetable Mad Money with other female actresses and a female director.
In retrospect I wonder how much of this decision was pushed by Tom. Almost as if he didn't want her around other men.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by Gangster Octopus

Whew, finally she'll be away from all that crazy ritualistic nonsense.

Yes, because that's the reason people have problems with Scientology. It's that they are masons.

[eericaa]

Originally Posted by SaharaTea

Supposedly she’s asking for sole legal custody of Suri, meaning full control over things like religion and education. I don’t see Tom and the $cienos going along with that. It’ll be interesting.

Ya I heard she had received full custody but then there have been rumors that Suri wants to stay with her father Tom Cruise.


http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/...r-katie-holmes

[spifflog]

Originally Posted by Hampshire

I couldn't remember why she passed on doing Dark Knight so when I did a search for it it says she chose to instead do the forgetable Mad Money with other female actresses and a female director.
In retrospect I wonder how much of this decision was pushed by Tom. Almost as if he didn't want her around other men.

How do we know that he "didn't want her around other men?" Nicole was naked in a bunch of films. Tom seemed to survive that.

We don't know what drives the people that are IN OUR lives most of the time. Surprised how we think we know what drives people we've never been in the same room with.

[Sister Vigilante]

I kind of always thought they changed out Katie because of how much she sucked in the first one.

[TruCelt]

Originally Posted by eericaa

Ya I heard she had received full custody but then there have been rumors that Suri wants to stay with her father Tom Cruise.


http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/...r-katie-holmes

I'm sure that she also wants to pet the tiger when she goes to the zoo. No 6-year-old can possibly understand the broad dangers inherent to choosing the wrong guardian. If nothing else, the amount of time he reportedly spends on church activities over and above his usual acting and publicity efforts would certainly make him a poor choice.

And I would say that regardless of what "normal" church he went to. If it's a second full time job, there's no room for the third - and most important - job of parenting.

[Justin_Bailey]

Originally Posted by Sister Vigilante

I kind of always thought they changed out Katie because of how much she sucked in the first one.

I believe the official story is that they initially asked her to come back for The Dark Knight, and Katie said, "I can't, I'm filming Mad Money at the same time." And rather than fight to ensure one of the main characters from their very successful first movie returned, the producers just recast the part.

[kayaker]

Originally Posted by Justin_Bailey

I believe the official story is that they initially asked her to come back for The Dark Knight, and Katie said, "I can't, I'm filming Mad Money at the same time." And rather than fight to ensure one of the main characters from their very successful first movie returned, the producers just recast the part.

While that is the "official" story, I've heard movie reviewers speculate about the "real" reason. I'm not a Hollywood insider, but apparently there is more to the story than the version told identically by everyone involved.

[Justin_Bailey]

Originally Posted by kayaker

While that is the "official" story, I've heard movie reviewers speculate about the "real" reason. I'm not a Hollywood insider, but apparently there is more to the story than the version told identically by everyone involved.

I suppose it's possible Tom Cruise pulled some voodoo over on the entire Warner Bros. studio, but I'd say the official story (or the "she was replaced because the fans hated her" alterna-story) is much more likely.

[kayaker]

Originally Posted by Justin_Bailey

I suppose it's possible Tom Cruise pulled some voodoo over on the entire Warner Bros. studio, but I'd say the official story (or the "she was replaced because the fans hated her" alterna-story) is much more likely.

The insider I heard told a convincing tale, including quotes from Holmes, Nolan, and a third party where the quotes were word for word identical.

[Irishman]

So what was the gist of this alterna story? That Holmes didn't want to do the part, that Cruise didn't want Holmes doing the part, or that the movie makers didn't want Holmes doing the part?

[Justin_Bailey]

Originally Posted by Irishman

So what was the gist of this alterna story? That Holmes didn't want to do the part, that Cruise didn't want Holmes doing the part, or that the movie makers didn't want Holmes doing the part?

The three competing tales are...

THE OFFICIAL STORY - The producers initially asked her to come back for The Dark Knight, and Katie said, "I can't, I'm filming Mad Money at the same time." Rather than fight to bring her back, the producers just recast the part.

THE EVIL TOM STORY - Tom Cruise forbid Katie from doing The Dark Knight because he didn't want her around all those manly men so soon after their wedding. An alternate theory is that he forced the producers not to bring her back, which leads to...

THE EVIL PRODUCERS STORY - The producers didn't ask Katie back for whatever reason even though she wanted to do it. Many fans will cite the poor reviews see received for BB (and not Tom's influence) as the real reason for this version.