Is Harry Reid a pederast? It seems the burden of proof is on him.

[Leo Bloom]

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[Skald the Rhymer]

Originally Posted by Leo Bloom

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I am sorry Senator Reid peed in your cornflakes. We will be comping your stay and bringing you a fresh, urine-less bowl.

[Sinaptics]

Originally Posted by Leo Bloom

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If only there was some simple evidence he could produce to clear his name...but won't. Shame really....

[TriPolar]

You can go find evidence of pederasty if you want. I've looked and I've found no evidence that Mitt Romney paid any income taxes in the last 10 years. See the difference?

[Oldeb]

Yes, but at least he didn't murder them afterwards like Glenn Beck.

[Sinaptics]

Originally Posted by TriPolar

You can go find evidence of pederasty if you want. I've looked and I've found no evidence that Mitt Romney paid any income taxes in the last 10 years. See the difference?

I can go find evidence of people not paying taxes, too. That's not even a point. That's words thrown together.

But other people have (supposedly) looked and did (allegedly) find evidence.

I don't know if Reid's accusation holds water or not. No evidence has been presented. What I do know is that Romney is hiding something in his tax returns, otherwise withholding them just doesn't make any sense.

I just hope you're reviling the attack and not the substance. Because Romney should definitely release his returns. The American people have the right to know and the obligation to demand them.

[elucidator]

Originally Posted by Oldeb

Yes, but at least he didn't murder them afterwards like Glenn Beck.

He murdered Glenn Beck!? Well, we have to give that man another look, he may well be just the decisive, direct sort of leader we need!

[TriPolar]

Originally Posted by Sinaptics

I can go find evidence of people not paying taxes, too. That's not even a point. That's words thrown together.

But other people have (supposedly) looked and did (allegedly) find evidence.

I don't know if Reid's accusation holds water or not. No evidence has been presented. What I do know is that Romney is hiding something in his tax returns, otherwise withholding them just doesn't make any sense.

I just hope you're reviling the attack and not the substance. Because Romney should definitely release his returns. The American people have the right to know and the obligation to demand them.

If Harry Reid is accused of being a pederast, he can't disprove it.
If Mitt Romney is accused of not paying taxes, he can disprove it.

It's pretty simple.

[Sinaptics]

Originally Posted by TriPolar

If Harry Reid is accused of being a pederast, he can't disprove it.
If Mitt Romney is accused of not paying taxes, he can disprove it.

It's pretty simple.

Got my people confused. Thought you were the OP and were continuing to argue the pederast analogy.

[YogSosoth]

Pederasty just shows that Reid is in touch with the people, unlike Romney who only fucks rich boys

[Darth Panda]

Originally Posted by Leo Bloom

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Why would he want to prove that he's a pederast?

[Sinaptics]

Originally Posted by Darth Panda

Why would he want to prove that he's a pederast?

Get the Catholic vote?

Bazinga.

[HookerChemical]

I'm not going to vote for Romney. No way in hell. I hate the Republicans with a deep passion. I'm not a huge fan of the Democrats, but they're far more in line with my politics that I frequently vote for them.

But Reid needs to put up or shut up. I'm leaning towards shut up. If he has evidence that Romney hasn't paid taxes, he needs to present it rather that spouting off.

Even if Romney didn't pay taxes, I don't care unless he did it illegally. He'd be a fool to pay more than needed to. (This applies to the "If Warren Buffet thinks he should be taxed more, he should just pay more," argument as well.) If he did commit tax fraud, the IRS should really get on that.

[TriPolar]

Originally Posted by HookerChemical

I'm not going to vote for Romney. No way in hell. I hate the Republicans with a deep passion. I'm not a huge fan of the Democrats, but they're far more in line with my politics that I frequently vote for them.

But Reid needs to put up or shut up. I'm leaning towards shut up. If he has evidence that Romney hasn't paid taxes, he needs to present it rather that spouting off.

Even if Romney didn't pay taxes, I don't care unless he did it illegally. He'd be a fool to pay more than needed to. (This applies to the "If Warren Buffet thinks he should be taxed more, he should just pay more," argument as well.) If he did commit tax fraud, the IRS should really get on that.

Romney said it's not true. So you'll vote for him anyway if turns out to be true?

[drewtwo99]

I think it's hillarious, honestly. I have no doubt whatsoever that Reid is just making this up from whole cloth. And I love it

And then if Romney does release any more tax returns, they can just claim it to be a fake, and demand to see the long-form tax return documents on file at the IRS.

And then when that is released, call it a fake.

[elucidator]

That assumes that the tax returns would show a patriotic and pristine purity on the part of Mr. Romney. As has been noted elsewhere, all Mr Romney need do to utterly crush Mr Reid permanently and for good would be to release these sterling documents.

Perhaps Mr Reid is gambling, but reckless abandon has not been a noticeable tendency for him.

[TriPolar]

Originally Posted by elucidator

Perhaps Mr Reid is gambling, but reckless abandon has not been a noticeable tendency for him.

I suspect he might be working off some good inside dope. Or some faulty inside dope, but it doesn't matter because it's a no win situation for Romney. Unless there was a leak from the IRS (wouldn't surprise me), Reid is gambling to some degree.

Also, Reid is a Mormon, I wonder if there's some kind of intranecine rivalry here.

[Shayna]

Originally Posted by drewtwo99

I think it's hillarious, honestly. I have no doubt whatsoever that Reid is just making this up from whole cloth. And I love it

And then if Romney does release any more tax returns, they can just claim it to be a fake, and demand to see the long-form tax return documents on file at the IRS.

And then when that is released, call it a fake.

^^ This ^^

I, too, think it's hilarious to see one of ours finally learn how to play the right wingers' game. Bravo, Mr. Reid, Bravo!

(P.S. I wouldn't be celebrating this behavior if there weren't a long history of the right pulling this exact stunt. I think it's time we give them a taste of their own medicine and let them percolate on this for a while. Because they more the freak the fuck out over this "no proof" screeching, the more I'll point and laugh.)

[elucidator]

Originally Posted by TriPolar

....Also, Reid is a Mormon, I wonder if there's some kind of intranecine rivalry here.

Romney is a Sunni Mormon, whereas Reid is a Shia Mormon.

[Shayna]

Originally Posted by elucidator

Romney is a Sunni Mormon, whereas Reid is a Shia Mormon.

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!

[elucidator]

Originally Posted by Shayna

..(P.S. I wouldn't be celebrating this behavior if there weren't a long history of the right pulling this exact stunt. I think it's time we give them a taste of their own medicine and let them percolate on this for a while. Because they more the freak the fuck out over this "no proof" screeching, the more I'll point and laugh.)

Fuck that, this is a golden shower opportunity!

(Ahem!) I denounce, renounce and condemn this behavior in the strongest possible terms, I roll about on the floor kicking and shrieking in horror and dismay! Let him be cast into the Outer Darkness, let Cthulu eat him first, may the Goddess wither his pecker like a worm on a hot griddle.....

[Jack Batty]

If only there were a rich 40 year tradition of Utah politicians proving they're not pederasts ... until this one refused to come clean. By the way, Romney's a Mormon. He might as well be a Utah politician. We haven't seen the proof that he's not a pederast either.

Jesus Christ! Is there anything this guy isn't hiding?

[BigAppleBucky]

Originally Posted by HookerChemical

But Reid needs to put up or shut up. I'm leaning towards shut up. If he has evidence that Romney hasn't paid taxes, he needs to present it rather that spouting off.

Maybe John McCain whispered in Reid's ear.

Instead of asking Romney to prove he's not a pederast, why not ask him to prove he doesn't have three secret teen wives? Sister wives for Ann who may need help around the house. That would be more fun.

[elucidator]

...Is there anything this guy isn't hiding?

Well, after his sojourn in France, he is known to prefer lyonnaise potatoes. And you can't hide your lyonnaise.

[Jack Batty]

No indictment pending. Straight to jail.

[Little Nemo]

Originally Posted by HookerChemical

Even if Romney didn't pay taxes, I don't care unless he did it illegally. He'd be a fool to pay more than needed to.

I feel the opposite way. I'd be more concerned if he paid no taxes and was able to do it legally.

There's something wrong with a tax law system that lets somebody with as much money as Mitt Romney has pay no taxes while people like me do pay those taxes. I don't want people who are part of that system to be running the government and that obviously includes being President.

[boytyperanma]

Originally Posted by BigAppleBucky

Maybe John McCain whispered in Reid's ear.

Kind of have a point hear McCain is one of the few people who has seen Romney's tax info. He could confirm or deny if Romney paid zero taxes.

I find the 'Harry Reid needs to put up or shut up' kinda questionable. If Reid put forward the person leaking the information it's not like the Romney campaign is going to say 'well all right you got us' The goal all along is to take heat off of Romney and make the story about anything other then Romney. If Reid offers up a name the story will be about that person with FOX throwing an endless pile of mud at them.

So it's either Reid using Republican tactics against them and just making shit up or it's Reid protecting someones career from becoming that of a sacrificial lamb.

In any case Romney should release his tax returns or at the very least answer the questions about them he has promised to provide answers for.

Sucks to be Romney maybe he should just stop lying, then he wouldn't have to dance around this issue figuring out which of his lies he should cop up too.

[gamerunknown]

Originally Posted by YogSosoth

Pederasty just shows that Reid is in touch with the people, unlike Romney who only fucks rich boys

Actually, I'm fairly sure charges have been levelled at Mitt for plebirasty too (how else can one top if not on the backs of the poor?).

[Gyrate]

Originally Posted by Jack Batty

No indictment pending. Straight to jail.

For Reid, for Romney, or for elucidator for that pun?

[Crafter_Man]

What's a... pederast, Walter?

[typoink]

Originally Posted by Little Nemo

I feel the opposite way. I'd be more concerned if he paid no taxes and was able to do it legally.

There's something wrong with a tax law system that lets somebody with as much money as Mitt Romney has pay no taxes while people like me do pay those taxes. I don't want people who are part of that system to be running the government and that obviously includes being President.

A well-stated argument that will be lost to time in a snark thread.

[John Mace]

Originally Posted by Little Nemo

I feel the opposite way. I'd be more concerned if he paid no taxes and was able to do it legally.

There's something wrong with a tax law system that lets somebody with as much money as Mitt Romney has pay no taxes while people like me do pay those taxes. I don't want people who are part of that system to be running the government and that obviously includes being President.

You'd feel better if he broke the law rather than obeyed the law? That's an... interesting perspective.

Romney isn't responsible for the US tax code, so if there's something wrong with the code, it ain't his fault. And if you think he shouldn't take advantage of deductions in the tax code, I hope you don't either.

[Vinyl Turnip]

Originally Posted by typoink

A well-stated argument that will be lost to time in a snark thread.

<cue "Incredible Hulk Sad Walking Away Piano Music">

[magellan01]

Originally Posted by BigAppleBucky

Maybe John McCain whispered in Reid's ear.

What would be truly awesome is if McCain got up on the Senate floor and said. "I know that Senator Reid is very concerned about the possibility of having us elect a person who didn't pay taxes for ten years. Hell, even a year would be serious. So, I'd like to put that mind at ease. As someone who has actually seen Mr. Romney's tax returns for the past ten years, I can personally assure Mr. Reid that Mr. Romney has, in fact, paid taxes every one of those years. And quite a lot each year. So, I hope that I free Mr. Reid of any worry in that regard and we can now all go back to doing what we can to get people back to work and the country on more solid economic footing."

Oh, please, please, please make this happen. And have a camera locked on Reid the whole time.

[kaylasdad99]

Originally Posted by John Mace

You'd feel better if he broke the law rather than obeyed the law? That's an... interesting perspective.

Romney isn't responsible for the US tax code, so if there's something wrong with the code, it ain't his fault.

The point is that any revelation that Romney legally pays little or no taxes would demand follow-up.

He wants to be one of the people who IS responsible for the US tax code. If there's something wrong with the tax code and he makes it clear that his priorities will be to make those thing even more wrong instead of try to make them better, it's definitely his fault.

[kaylasdad99]

Originally Posted by magellan01

What would be truly awesome is if McCain got up on the Senate floor and said. "I know that Senator Reid is very concerned about the possibility of having us elect a person who didn't pay taxes for ten years. Hell, even a year would be serious. So, I'd like to put that mind at ease. As someone who has actually seen Mr. Romney's tax returns for the past ten years, I can personally assure Mr. Reid that Mr. Romney has, in fact, paid taxes every one of those years. And quite a lot each year. So, I hope that I free Mr. Reid of any worry in that regard and we can now all go back to doing what we can to get people back to work and the country on more solid economic footing."

Oh, please, please, please make this happen. And have a camera locked on Reid the whole time.

Fuck that (taking a Republican's word for anything). Romney's being a Republican makes him unsuitable for the office of the Presidency, so in reality the tax return issue is moot; but that doesn't mean I can't wish for him to have the media crawl up his asshole with a magnifying glass.

Metaphorically speaking.

[ElvisL1ves]

Originally Posted by magellan01

What would be truly awesome is if McCain got up on the Senate floor and said. "...I can personally assure Mr. Reid that Mr. Romney has, in fact, paid taxes every one of those years. And quite a lot each year"

Oh, please, please, please make this happen. And have a camera locked on Reid the whole time.

It could easily have happened already, on or off the Senate floor. But it hasn't, has it? Now, why do you suppose that is?

Keep on hoping for reality to be different. IOW, keep on entertaining us, clown.

[ElvisL1ves]

Originally Posted by John Mace

Romney isn't responsible for the US tax code, so if there's something wrong with the code, it ain't his fault.

But he wants us to trust him with that responsibility, right?

So, his attitude toward the tax code, and what he would want to do with it, is certainly directly relevant to our decision. It's puzzling why you don't see that.

[magellan01]

So, you wouldn't take McCains word if he said that? Oh never mind, this explains everything:

Originally Posted by kaylasdad99

Romney's being a Republican makes him unsuitable for the office of the Presidency

Carry on.

[magellan01]

Originally Posted by ElvisL1ves

It could easily have happened already, on or off the Senate floor.

That is true.

Originally Posted by ElvisL1ves

But it hasn't, has it?

To your point, it may very well have happened off the floor, in private. And if Reid was full of shit to start with, he might have simply responded to McCain, "Oh, I know.", smiled his evil undertaker grin, and walked away.

But I commend you on actually making a valid point. It's a stellar day for one of stupidest posters on the SDMB. Good job.

[pseudotriton ruber ruber]

I will take the fact that McCain, who has seen Romney's tax returns, is NOT defending him on the grounds suggested as highly significant.

It'd take him five seconds to clarify. Yet he hasn't said a word.

[magellan01]

Originally Posted by ElvisL1ves

But he wants us to trust him with that responsibility, right?

So, his attitude toward the tax code, and what he would want to do with it, is certainly directly relevant to our decision. It's puzzling why you don't see that.

So, if he followed the law and took the deductions he was entitled to, that would be a bad thing in your book, huh? Sigh.

At least you're back on your usual track. And the world is back on its axis.

[RetroVertigo]

Originally Posted by Leo Bloom

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Originally Posted by Oldeb

Yes, but at least he didn't murder them afterwards like Glenn Beck.

Originally Posted by elucidator

He murdered Glenn Beck!? Well, we have to give that man another look, he may well be just the decisive, direct sort of leader we need!

I happened to be listening to Glenn Beck's program yesterday, where the OP got the idea for this. He even brought up the fact how the left tried to discredit and sully his name with the " Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in '91". He goes on a whole long diatribe about it, completely oblivious to the point of why people used that meme against him in the first place.

[ElvisL1ves]

Originally Posted by magellan01

So, if he followed the law and took the deductions he was entitled to, that would be a bad thing in your book, huh? Sigh.

Not as a taxpayer, of course not. As an applicant for the job of administering said tax code, certainly.

At least you're back on your usual track. And the world is back on its axis.

Have you ever been diagnosed with a cognitive deficit? Or even evaluated for one? It might be a good idea.

[ElvisL1ves]

Originally Posted by magellan01

To your point, it may very well have happened off the floor, in private.

Why not publicly? It's a public political matter. Unless perhaps McCain wants Romney to lose, which may be possible.

[magellan01]

Originally Posted by ElvisL1ves

Why not publicly? It's a public political matter. Unless perhaps McCain wants Romney to lose, which may be possible.

Don't know. Maybe McCain is laughing to himself knowing that he can make the announcement at any time. "Should I do it today? Nah, I'll let the idiot Reid champion this for another couple of months and make him look like an even bigger fool. The bigger he makes the issue, the better, as it utilizes their energy. I'll wait till closer till the election, when the bitch-slap I give Reid will have the greatest effect."

[Oldeb]

Originally Posted by magellan01

So, you wouldn't take McCains word if he said that?

I gotta admit, I find this immensely amusing considering your defense of Bachmann's letter about Abedin. The exact scenario you are proposing to clear Romney's name actually occurred with McCain standing up on the floor to defend Abedin. And yet you can still defend Bachmann's actions. I don't know why you would expect others to take McCain seriously when you clearly don't.

[kaylasdad99]

Originally Posted by ElvisL1ves

Not as a taxpayer, of course not. As an applicant for the job of administering said tax code, certainly.

Have you ever been diagnosed with a cognitive deficit? Or even evaluated for one? It might be a good idea.

But, if he gets evaluated for it, and it turns out he has it, how will the information benefit him?

Do they give him the information with extra intensity, to overcome the deficit?

[Gagundathar]

So, now I am confused.
Is it Harry Reid or Mitt Romney that is a pederast?
And how does Glenn Beck factor into the equation?

[magellan01]

Originally Posted by Oldeb

I gotta admit, I find this immensely amusing considering your defense of Bachmann's letter about Abedin. The exact scenario you are proposing to clear Romney's name actually occurred with McCain standing up on the floor to defend Abedin. And yet you can still defend Bachmann's actions. I don't know why you would expect others to take McCain seriously when you clearly don't.

McCain wasn't personally vouching for her. He was claiming that she had already been cleared. Which is factually correct (I assume). Where he is wrong is to say that it is not Bachman's place to point out concerns she and her committee members might have. Especially with the balance of of power shifting in Egypt and the MB having more than they've had.

Now, what I find amusing, is that while some (you?) point to McCain's comments on the Abedin issue and embrace his words, there seems to be a reluctance to do that should he do what I fantasized about.

And there's more amusement. People jump on Bachman for accusing Abedin of this or that, when she never accused her of a single thing. Really, read the letter. But then we have Reid making direct and repeated accusations that Romney "paid no taxes for 10 years", based on..."well, some guy mentioned it to me, but I'm not going to say who." So the Republican makes no accusations and gets attacked for making them, while the Democrat makes direct and repeated unsubstantiated accusations and from the left side we see...what? Well, it ranges from mere silence to outright Happy-Happy, Joy-Joy glee.

Now, that is amusing.